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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 19, 2019 23:57:59 GMT -5
You are right Olea and your Prime Minister is leading the way. Lets hope that all the dumb men listen. for a male you sure have a heavy dose of misandry.... It actually shows far less self loathing than your dose of misogyny.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 23:59:15 GMT -5
for a male you sure have a heavy dose of misandry.... It makes him appear more empathetic than your dose of misogyny. the road to hell is paved with good intentions...careful where you step there bob you may slip and fall....
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 20, 2019 0:00:16 GMT -5
US website labels NZ a 's***hole country', refuses to help police in Christchurch terror attack investigation. Trump can't refer to the NZ event as a "terrorist" attack because he'd have to identify the kind of attack and he refuses to acknowledge there is "white terrorism".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 0:03:07 GMT -5
for a male you sure have a heavy dose of misandry.... It actually shows far less self loathing than your dose of misogyny.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 0:05:43 GMT -5
I was thinking today...imagine being at convention and 50 people you knew were killed and 50 injured including children. I can imagne it well...it would be devastating for the friends for years.
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Post by speak on Mar 20, 2019 0:23:37 GMT -5
I was thinking today...imagine being at convention and 50 people you knew were killed and 50 injured including children. I can imagne it well...it would be devastating for the friends for years. It certainly would be devastating but mostly we are unknown in the wider world, be more likely a more noticed target. I still believe God protects His children in the most part from such calamity.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 20, 2019 0:34:38 GMT -5
I was thinking today...imagine being at convention and 50 people you knew were killed and 50 injured including children. I can imagne it well...it would be devastating for the friends for years. It certainly would be devastating but mostly we are unknown in the wider world, be more likely a more noticed target. I still believe God protects His children in the most part from such calamity. He didn't prevent a sister worker from being shot to death during a home burglary. The low number of tragedies is relative to the relatively low number of possible victims. It is reasonable to believe that, as a proportion of their total numbers, that there is as much sexual abuse among workers in the US as there is among Catholic clergy.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 20, 2019 0:35:30 GMT -5
That is not true in Africa. Montgomery had chased Rommell back west across North Africa and he was then recalled or fled to Europe. The USA landed in the west and helped with the mopping up of what was left of the eighth army before the Allies moved onto Italy. In Europe The yanks had difficulty breaking out of their beach head. Later on they became mired down somewhere and Montgomery had to send help. Montgomery is on record as saying that if the yanks had pulled finger in their sector the war in Europe would have been over by December 1944. Montgomery's boss, Alan Brookes was slightly more polite but still did not think a lot of their organisational ability and their love of having a shallow wide front which was easy for the Nazi's to smash open. Hollywood shows a different story. Is that your source? well one would expect a brit to be a TAD biased in his assessment, ya think? Maybe, he thought Patton and Bradley to be pompous gits with not enough experience to fight themselves out of a rice pudding.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 0:37:44 GMT -5
I was thinking today...imagine being at convention and 50 people you knew were killed and 50 injured including children. I can imagne it well...it would be devastating for the friends for years. It certainly would be devastating but mostly we are unknown in the wider world, be more likely a more noticed target. I still believe God protects His children in the most part from such calamity. Hi Speak, the sole point I was making was one of empathy. Cheers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 0:43:16 GMT -5
It certainly would be devastating but mostly we are unknown in the wider world, be more likely a more noticed target. I still believe God protects His children in the most part from such calamity. He didn't prevent a sister worker from being shot to death during a home burglary. The low number of tragedies is relative to the relatively low number of possible victims. It is reasonable to believe that, as a proportion of their total numbers, that there is as much sexual abuse among workers in the US as there is among Catholic clergy. the stats can be misleading but YES there as a percentage are more pedo's in the truth vs the catholics but raw numbers tell the truth more its 27 offenders for the truth and about 4,000 for the catholics....thats about .018 to .009 respectively....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 0:53:40 GMT -5
Again today in parliament ,various party members standing and speaking. Just tuned in and a National party member stating ( I guess party equivalent with USA Republican) “I don’t understand why we need military guns for civilians , I don’t understand why we need Semi automatics for civilians in the country,”
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 0:56:49 GMT -5
Again today in parliament ,various party members standing and speaking. Just tuned in and a National party member stating ( I guess party equivalent with USA Republican) “I don’t understand why we need military guns , I don’t understand why we need Semi automatics in the country,” that shows a lack of understand of military arms vs civilian arms...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 1:00:47 GMT -5
Again today in parliament ,various party members standing and speaking. Just tuned in and a National party member stating ( I guess party equivalent with USA Republican) “I don’t understand why we need military type guns for civilians , I don’t understand why we need Semi automatics in the country,” I have since corrected statement as I wrote post on the run . He meant for civilians not army.
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Post by howitis on Mar 20, 2019 1:03:49 GMT -5
Thank you @seventy , since this thread is titled NZ gun control, let's stick to that and topics related to the tragedy that has brought this topic to the forefront. Yes it is possible the perpetrator chose NZ because of it's current firearm laws as opposed to say Australia, it seems that though certain firearms purchased by the perpetrator recently in NZ were not the ones used in the attack and the weapons used in the attack appear to have been modified by the perpetrator. The fact that the NZ parliament is now looking to review it's current firearm legislation will be both accepted and rejected, unless you are from NZ the chances are this will not affect you. On the other hand any law passed that assists in controlling the senseless act of taking innocent lives should be welcomed by all.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 20, 2019 1:16:11 GMT -5
It is my understanding that the reason Christchurch was selected by the perpetrator was to prove to the world that no one anywhere was out of his reach.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 1:35:29 GMT -5
Just watching Prime Minister of NZ, Jacinta Arden on our news tonight. It brings a tear to the eye, what an amazing Woman. She has asked that Friday be a day of prayer, and that the Muslim call to prayer be broadcast. How good is that. This Woman could be another emerging Nelson Mandela or Mother Theresa. The whole World should listen, and support her push for unification of all peoples.
We should break down the barriers of Race, Religion, Politics, and all the stupid things that have divided mankind. It is time for a new way, the old has failed us, and maybe Women may be the inspiration for it.
We need to get rid of forever the insipid American idea that a gun or a bomb will fix it.
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Post by howitis on Mar 20, 2019 2:16:35 GMT -5
Good on you @redback! In adversity there can be unity, wonderful if we embrace it. Was thinking about Christchurch lost 185 in 2011 now this, thinking of those that named the city and its motto, "Founded in Faith, Rich in the Fulfillment thereof, Strong in Hope for the Future", may they find blessing in this awful time of reality and even be a beacon to other parts of the world.
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Post by Grant on Mar 20, 2019 3:21:46 GMT -5
Just watching Prime Minister of NZ, Jacinta Arden on our news tonight. It brings a tear to the eye, what an amazing Woman. She has asked that Friday be a day of prayer, and that the Muslim prayers be broadcast. How good is that. This Woman could be another emerging Nelson Mandela or Mother Theresa. The whole World should listen, and support her push for unification of all peoples. We should break down the barriers of Race, Religion, Politics, and all the stupid things that have divided mankind. It is time for a new way, the old has failed us, and maybe Women may be the inspiration for it. We need to get rid of forever the insipid American idea that a gun or a bomb will fix it. They are going to broadcast the call to prayer not the prayer on Friday and 2 minutes silence. They had a Muslim prayer in their parliament today too. The prime minister closed her speech in parliament with what sounded like, peace into you in the name of Allah, in Arabic. It may likely divide the country not unite it. Is it becoming a Muslim country. Islam is the fastest growing religion among the Maoris. Mother Theresa and Nelson Mandela were Christians. The prime minister claims to be an atheist although she was brought up Mormon
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 3:58:14 GMT -5
Enuf you have identified the problem, you are worried that NZ is becoming a Muslim country. There are people in Australia who have the same fear. But bloodshed is not the path to go down, that will only intensify the problem. So it makes sense to me that if religion cannot sort it out, then a new approach is needed. It is time that an Atheist with strong humanistic and moral values tries to show the World there is a better way. As Howitis said NZ could be a beacon to the World.
I have learnt a lot from the atheists on this board, they treat all people with respect, and they show more compassion than a lot of theists. I think we are learning the folly of belief systems in the way that they divide people. There has to be a better way and atheists may have the answer. Well worth thinking about, and where we see good happening give it our support.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 4:29:14 GMT -5
Just watching Prime Minister of NZ, Jacinta Arden on our news tonight. It brings a tear to the eye, what an amazing Woman. She has asked that Friday be a day of prayer, and that the Muslim prayers be broadcast. How good is that. This Woman could be another emerging Nelson Mandela or Mother Theresa. The whole World should listen, and support her push for unification of all peoples. We should break down the barriers of Race, Religion, Politics, and all the stupid things that have divided mankind. It is time for a new way, the old has failed us, and maybe Women may be the inspiration for it. We need to get rid of forever the insipid American idea that a gun or a bomb will fix it. They are going to broadcast the call to prayer not the prayer on Friday and 2 minutes silence. They had a Muslim prayer in their parliament today too. The prime minister closed her speech in parliament with what sounded like, peace to all in the name of Allah, in Arabic. It may likely divide the country not unite it. Wonder if they also had a Christian prayer or is NZ fast becoming a Muslim country. Islam is already the fastest growing religion among the Maori population. Mother Theresa and Nelson Mandela were Christians. The prime minister claims to be an atheist although she was brought up Mormon The Prime Minister identifies as agnostic.
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Post by howitis on Mar 20, 2019 4:44:40 GMT -5
Those that are Christian need to trust their God, and believe He knows what He is doing in relation to Muslims, I have very good friends who were brought up Muslim they now profess Christ as their Lord and Saviour, the way I see it you either trust God or you don't.
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Post by benar on Mar 20, 2019 5:01:15 GMT -5
Those that are Christian need to trust their God, and believe He knows what He is doing in relation to Muslims, I have very good friends who were brought up Muslim they now profess Christ as their Lord and Saviour, the way I see it you either trust God or you don't. I think positive change needs to come from people, rather than hope a specific version of a particular god will sort it out. Fighting over who's imaginary friend is the real one tends to get humanity into these messes, not out of them. We can send 'thoughts and prayers' or we can actually do something about it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 7:43:20 GMT -5
Just watching Prime Minister of NZ, Jacinta Arden on our news tonight. It brings a tear to the eye, what an amazing Woman. She has asked that Friday be a day of prayer, and that the Muslim call to prayer be broadcast. How good is that. This Woman could be another emerging Nelson Mandela or Mother Theresa. The whole World should listen, and support her push for unification of all peoples. We should break down the barriers of Race, Religion, Politics, and all the stupid things that have divided mankind. It is time for a new way, the old has failed us, and maybe Women may be the inspiration for it. We need to get rid of forever the insipid American idea that a gun or a bomb will fix it. i see the NWO is alive and well down under....
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Post by howitis on Mar 20, 2019 16:57:27 GMT -5
Those that are Christian need to trust their God, and believe He knows what He is doing in relation to Muslims, I have very good friends who were brought up Muslim they now profess Christ as their Lord and Saviour, the way I see it you either trust God or you don't. I think positive change needs to come from people, rather than hope a specific version of a particular god will sort it out. Fighting over who's imaginary friend is the real one tends to get humanity into these messes, not out of them. We can send 'thoughts and prayers' or we can actually do something about it. I think benar you have misconstrued the meaning of my post, which was in direct relation to the point given that Islam is a growing faith and the fear that appears to stem from that in some people. My point is that those that are Christian should not have fear, but faith in the God that they believe in. My so called 'imaginary friend', has helped me to see that I do not need to sleep with a firearm in my house for protection, I do not need to fear my friends that are Muslim, I am able to have coffee with those that are homosexuals and am not afraid to do so, I can visit any Christian denomination church and not feel out of place, I can assist with Christian religious exercises held at the local schools, volunteer at the soup kitchens and charity shops and work on projects alongside of those that are Hindu and whatever other religion they claim to be or the atheist that claims no belief. However I do not see the need to pray prayers that are from other faiths or participate in their rituals, some of which I've been respectfully invited to do, nor do I sanction the cutting short of human life and threats of violence for any reason. Yes I could do all these things with or without believing in my God, however I believe He has helped me see and consider things I otherwise would have not and this has been noted and brought to my attention by friends who profess to have no belief
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 17:51:28 GMT -5
I think positive change needs to come from people, rather than hope a specific version of a particular god will sort it out. Fighting over who's imaginary friend is the real one tends to get humanity into these messes, not out of them. We can send 'thoughts and prayers' or we can actually do something about it. I think benar you have misconstrued the meaning of my post, which was in direct relation to the point given that Islam is a growing faith and the fear that appears to stem from that in some people. My point is that those that are Christian should not have fear, but faith in the God that they believe in. My so called 'imaginary friend', has helped me to see that I do not need to sleep with a firearm in my house for protection, I do not need to fear my friends that are Muslim, I am able to have coffee with those that are homosexuals and am not afraid to do so, I can visit any Christian denomination church and not feel out of place, I can assist with Christian religious exercises held at the local schools, volunteer at the soup kitchens and charity shops and work on projects alongside of those that are Hindu and whatever other religion they claim to be or the atheist that claims no belief. However I do not see the need to pray prayers that are from other faiths or participate in their rituals, some of which I've been respectfully invited to do, nor do I sanction the cutting short of human life and threats of violence for any reason. Yes I could do all these things with or without believing in my God, however I believe He has helped me see and consider things I otherwise would have not and this has been noted and brought to my attention by friends who profess to have no belief Your spiritual choice is to be respected and what a great representative for your church.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 1:20:59 GMT -5
What a wonderful woman Prime Minister of NZ, Jacinta Arden. In less than a week military style weapons banned in NZ. There is no need for them in the hands of civilians, they should be confined to military only. After all we trust our security to Police or Military.
Let's hope the rest of the World follows her lead, and come to their senses. We need more Jacinta Ardens, I love her.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 5:08:10 GMT -5
What a wonderful woman Prime Minister of NZ, Jacinta Arden. In less than a week military style weapons banned in NZ. There is no need for them in the hands of civilians, they should be confined to military only. After all we trust our security to Police or Military. Let's hope the rest of the World follows her lead, and come to their senses. We need more Jacinta Ardens, I love her. i am reminded of this saying: “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” ― Benjamin Franklin not that NZ had any rights just privileges to firearms.... this is what happens when you have emotional kneejerk reactions and institute poor legislation....
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Post by benar on Mar 21, 2019 6:35:22 GMT -5
What a wonderful woman Prime Minister of NZ, Jacinta Arden. In less than a week military style weapons banned in NZ. There is no need for them in the hands of civilians, they should be confined to military only. After all we trust our security to Police or Military. Let's hope the rest of the World follows her lead, and come to their senses. We need more Jacinta Ardens, I love her. i am reminded of this saying: “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” ― Benjamin Franklin not that NZ had any rights just privileges to firearms.... this is what happens when you have emotional kneejerk reactions and institute poor legislation.... Wally, is there a society where gun restrictions were implemented and the result was a bad outcome for that society?
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