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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 25, 2019 12:47:50 GMT -5
If you believe the bible, you must believe that murderers can repent and be saved Even God committed atrocities. Only God didn’t repent. Well of course God would never repent for genocides and other monstrous things he's done! He's GOD! He's the creator of all and can do whatever he wants with us. We are just here for his whims and if he gets angry and 'repents' ever making us, it's absolutely fine if he kills us all. He's GOD! What a messed up way of thinking imo. It must work tho, as there are billions of the week minded lapping it up.
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Post by snow on Mar 25, 2019 13:02:23 GMT -5
Well of course God would never repent for genocides and other monstrous things he's done! He's GOD! He's the creator of all and can do whatever he wants with us. We are just here for his whims and if he gets angry and 'repents' ever making us, it's absolutely fine if he kills us all. He's GOD! What a messed up way of thinking imo. It must work tho, as there are billions of the week minded lapping it up. I bet if they took away the promise of eternal life in a wonderful place, that would stop pretty quick!
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 25, 2019 13:10:20 GMT -5
It must work tho, as there are billions of the week minded lapping it up. I bet if they took away the promise of eternal live in a wonderful place, that would stop pretty quick! I am not taking you up on that bet as I am bound to lose. Stick and carrot stuff works a treat.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 25, 2019 13:23:25 GMT -5
It must work tho, as there are billions of the week minded lapping it up. I bet if they took away the promise of eternal live in a wonderful place, that would stop pretty quick! I wonder how god keeps up a limitless supply of virgins in heaven for the believers. How does that work?
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Post by snow on Mar 25, 2019 13:30:10 GMT -5
I bet if they took away the promise of eternal live in a wonderful place, that would stop pretty quick! I wonder how god keeps up a limitless supply of virgins in heaven for the believers. How does that work? With God anything is possible.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 14:31:28 GMT -5
I bet if they took away the promise of eternal live in a wonderful place, that would stop pretty quick! I wonder how god keeps up a limitless supply of virgins in heaven for the believers. How does that work? considering that this is mainly a christian board you got your gods mixed up....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 15:32:34 GMT -5
Enuf I believe the Prime minister is genuinely a compassionate person and understands grief but I also believe she is much deeper, intelligent and intuitive than you suggest. Beneath her strategy will be “ care for all New Zealanders ‘ ..to ensure no retaliation by someone who gets it in their head that N.Z. dislikes that culture. Look at the propaganda that Turkey started last week. To put it in realistic terms, you or I could be sitting in a cafe and I am loathe to suggest it but could fall victim if that happened.
It is a delicate act.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 25, 2019 16:11:03 GMT -5
Surely you have been reading and listening to the news. Most likely not the news source you feed on.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 23:09:16 GMT -5
Struck a raw nerve wally
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2019 23:59:05 GMT -5
its gonna take a lot more than that to get my goat...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 5:16:33 GMT -5
This statistic will send a shiver down your spine.
Firearms were used to kill 13,286 people in the U.S. in 2015, excluding suicide. Approximately 1.4 million people have died from firearms in the U.S. between 1968 and 2011. This number includes all deaths resulting from a firearm, including suicides, homicides, and accidents.
Thank God that Australia had the good sense to introduce tough gun ownership laws. It is a bit frightening that the NRA have been invited by a crazy right wing political party here, to help it overturn those laws. We don't need that in our wonderful country. I have just been watching " Buy a Massacre" on TV, and the NRA are surely evil.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 5:59:24 GMT -5
This statistic will send a shiver down your spine. Firearms were used to kill 13,286 people in the U.S. in 2015, excluding suicide. Approximately 1.4 million people have died from firearms in the U.S. between 1968 and 2011. This number includes all deaths resulting from a firearm, including suicides, homicides, and accidents. Thank God that Australia had the good sense to introduce tough gun ownership laws. It is a bit frightening that the NRA have been invited by a crazy right wing political party here, to help it overturn those laws. We don't need that in our wonderful country. I have just been watching " Buy a Massacre" on TV, and the NRA are surely evil. considering there are over 300 MILLION firearms in the US and over 80 MILLION firearms owners thats a drop in the bucket... and using the average of the FBI in lives saved/defensive use of a firearm of 250,000 per year(low end number) thats 4.75 MILLION lives save in the last 19 years alone if we use the NRA numbers of 2 MILLION per year thats about 40 MILLION lives saved.... i'd say the positives outweigh the negatives... the NRA was around long before you were a twinkle in your fathers eye and has been doing good works the whole time even though it capitulated at one time(1934?) on firearms .... i take it your anti-abortion then since thats killed more than 40 MILLION babies since the 70's?
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Post by benar on Mar 26, 2019 6:32:22 GMT -5
This statistic will send a shiver down your spine. Firearms were used to kill 13,286 people in the U.S. in 2015, excluding suicide. Approximately 1.4 million people have died from firearms in the U.S. between 1968 and 2011. This number includes all deaths resulting from a firearm, including suicides, homicides, and accidents. Thank God that Australia had the good sense to introduce tough gun ownership laws. It is a bit frightening that the NRA have been invited by a crazy right wing political party here, to help it overturn those laws. We don't need that in our wonderful country. I have just been watching " Buy a Massacre" on TV, and the NRA are surely evil. considering there are over 300 MILLION firearms in the US and over 80 MILLION firearms owners thats a drop in the bucket... and using the average of the FBI in lives saved/defensive use of a firearm of 250,000 per year(low end number) thats 4.75 MILLION lives save in the last 19 years alone if we use the NRA numbers of 2 MILLION per year thats about 40 MILLION lives saved.... i'd say the positives outweigh the negatives... the NRA was around long before you were a twinkle in your fathers eye and has been doing good works the whole time even though it capitulated at one time(1934?) on firearms .... i take it your anti-abortion then since thats killed more than 40 MILLION babies since the 70's? What is not taken into consideration is the prevalence of guns makes it more likely you would need to protect yourself from those same guns. In Australia we don't have the same level of guns, nor the same level of gun-crime, therefore do not need guns to protect ourselves. I think the US has built itself a feedback mechanism evident in the arms race between perpetrators and ordinary folk. The comparison with abortion is no comparison at all. A functioning member of society is not the same as a fetus. Besides, according to your 'good book', people aren't recognised as people and don't receive their souls until they take their first breath. God's rules, not mine
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Post by Lee on Mar 26, 2019 6:54:02 GMT -5
Personally, I'm not surrendering what I believe to be the superior ideological construction of christianity, compared to alternative views of God and eschatology. There is misinformation in christianity, but there's gold also, if you're willing to dig. Our ideas determine our behavior, ultimately. Religions should be expressed more in terms of their ideas, so we can compare them better. Most people operate on an emotional, instinctive level, and relate to religion that way. It can't really be helped, thats what people do. But the ideas do manifest themselves. The principled and yet moderating effect of the savior-mediator-concept of christianity ushered our civilization forward beyond it's peers. To my way of thinking, there is gold to be found in all cultures religions. That 'gold' is far older and predates all religions imo. Unfortunately while religions try to sell their ideas based on this 'gold', more of what is 'religion' is based on rules, control and greed. Those elements exist wherever there are human beings. What's unique about Jesus is he made death acceptable. Well that's really great, you say. I could even say it myself. Great a death pact! Death is just one aspect of Jesus. His resurrection puts his death into context. How does this relate to life? Take the Seattle plight of the homeless. How many decades of this despair will continue before a solution is effected? And do not all generations manifest something they cannot resolve? Will that ever change, with generations to come? You're a hand wringer, you say. Yes I am. But first of all I'm an observer. And Im hopeful. The apparent death we are each experiencing, literally, and existentially, is not a reason to despair.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 11:37:19 GMT -5
considering there are over 300 MILLION firearms in the US and over 80 MILLION firearms owners thats a drop in the bucket... and using the average of the FBI in lives saved/defensive use of a firearm of 250,000 per year(low end number) thats 4.75 MILLION lives save in the last 19 years alone if we use the NRA numbers of 2 MILLION per year thats about 40 MILLION lives saved.... i'd say the positives outweigh the negatives... the NRA was around long before you were a twinkle in your fathers eye and has been doing good works the whole time even though it capitulated at one time(1934?) on firearms .... i take it your anti-abortion then since thats killed more than 40 MILLION babies since the 70's? The comparison with abortion is no comparison at all. A functioning member of society is not the same as a fetus. Besides, according to your 'good book', people aren't recognised as people and don't receive their souls until they take their first breath. God's rules, not mine that might be your interpretation of whats said in the bible but that wouldn't necessarily be fact....
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Post by snow on Mar 26, 2019 13:11:51 GMT -5
To my way of thinking, there is gold to be found in all cultures religions. That 'gold' is far older and predates all religions imo. Unfortunately while religions try to sell their ideas based on this 'gold', more of what is 'religion' is based on rules, control and greed. Those elements exist wherever there are human beings. What's unique about Jesus is he made death acceptable. Well that's really great, you say. I could even say it myself. Great a death pact! Death is just one aspect of Jesus. His resurrection puts his death into context. How does this relate to life? Take the Seattle plight of the homeless. How many decades of this despair will continue before a solution is effected? And do not all generations manifest something they cannot resolve? Will that ever change, with generations to come? You're a hand wringer, you say. Yes I am. But first of all I'm an observer. And Im hopeful. The apparent death we are each experiencing, literally, and existentially, is not a reason to despair. How did Jesus make death acceptable?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 13:52:40 GMT -5
It is sad that the NRA has become a radical political force, and got away from its 150 year old roots. We certainly don't want this evil influence in Australia or New Zealand. Consensus is that the right wing"One Nation Party" that tried to bring NRA influence to Australia, will get a drubbing at the general election in May, because of their stupidity. Australia and New Zealand don't want to get the sick idea that guns save lives. That is just a nonsense invented by the NRA.
A quote to show how the thinking of the NRA has changed: A sharp right turn
By the mid-1970s, a dissident group within the NRA believed that the organization was losing the national debate over guns by being too defensive and not political enough. The dispute erupted at the NRA’s 1977 annual convention, where the dissidents deposed the old guard.
From this point forward, the NRA became ever more political and strident in its defense of so-called “gun rights,” which it increasingly defined as nearly absolute under the Second Amendment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 14:02:06 GMT -5
Snow, Murder will never be acceptable in a decent society.
The Ten Commandments of God as a help and reliable guide for our entire existence – for the events of earthly life and even beyond.
I am the Lord thy God! Thou shalt have no other Gods but me! Thou shalt not take the Name of the Lord thy God in vain! Thou shalt keep the Sabbath Day holy! Thou shalt honor father and mother!
Thou shalt not kill!
Thou shalt not commit adultery! Thou shalt not steal! Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor! Do not let thyself lust after thy neighbor’s wife! Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s house, nor his farm, nor his cattle,
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 15:09:36 GMT -5
It is sad that the NRA has become a radical political force, and got away from its 150 year old roots. We certainly don't want this evil influence in Australia or New Zealand. Consensus is that the right wing"One Nation Party" that tried to bring NRA influence to Australia, will get a drubbing at the general election in May, because of their stupidity. Australia and New Zealand don't want to get the sick idea that guns save lives. That is just a nonsense invented by the NRA. A quote to show how the thinking of the NRA has changed: A sharp right turn By the mid-1970s, a dissident group within the NRA believed that the organization was losing the national debate over guns by being too defensive and not political enough. The dispute erupted at the NRA’s 1977 annual convention, where the dissidents deposed the old guard. From this point forward, the NRA became ever more political and strident in its defense of so-called “gun rights,” which it increasingly defined as nearly absolute under the Second Amendment. i'm totally glad they stepped up to the plate of patriotism and common sense and fought for our rights...someone had too who better than the American NRA...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 15:48:05 GMT -5
Please keep the activities of the NRA in America. We don't want our countries stuffed up by them. We are loving, caring compassionate people.
In conjunction with One Nation, they have been advocating that every Woman should carry a handgun in their handbag. NRA must have shares in an arms company. That idea is so ridiculous it is not amusing. I would not trust my Wife with a screwdriver, let alone a gun.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 16:08:33 GMT -5
Please keep the activities of the NRA in America. We don't want our countries stuffed up by them. We are loving, caring compassionate people. In conjunction with One Nation, they have been advocating that every Woman should carry a handgun in their handbag. NRA must have shares in an arms company. That idea is so ridiculous it is not amusing. I would not trust my Wife with a screwdriver, let alone a gun. yeah right caring and compassion, lets leave our australian women defenseless to rape or assault or murder...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 16:11:29 GMT -5
Oh what crazy, warped thinking, can't be from a 2x2, they don't think like that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 16:17:47 GMT -5
Oh what crazy, warped thinking, can't be from a 2x2, they don't think like that. so your saying a woman can't have an effective means of defense against rape, assault or murder? thats not much of a man in my estimation to say that....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 16:46:58 GMT -5
Oh how we get our thinking back to front. Give a Woman a gun to protect her from a badly behaved Man. Would it not be better to insist Men have more respect for Woman, so as they have no need of a gun.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 16:49:03 GMT -5
Would it not be better to insist Men have more respect for Woman, so as they have no need of a gun. has that worked in say the last 2000 years?
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Post by ellie on Mar 26, 2019 17:05:07 GMT -5
Please keep the activities of the NRA in America. We don't want our countries stuffed up by them. We are loving, caring compassionate people. In conjunction with One Nation, they have been advocating that every Woman should carry a handgun in their handbag. NRA must have shares in an arms company. That idea is so ridiculous it is not amusing. I would not trust my Wife with a screwdriver, let alone a gun. yeah right caring and compassion, lets leave our australian women defenseless to rape or assault or murder... I'd be far more concerned about an accidental discharge after dropping a handbag with a loaded gun, or a child getting hold of a handgun than the extremely rare event of rape, assault or murder by a stranger.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2019 17:06:52 GMT -5
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Post by Lee on Mar 26, 2019 17:07:04 GMT -5
Those elements exist wherever there are human beings. What's unique about Jesus is he made death acceptable. Well that's really great, you say. I could even say it myself. Great a death pact! Death is just one aspect of Jesus. His resurrection puts his death into context. How does this relate to life? Take the Seattle plight of the homeless. How many decades of this despair will continue before a solution is effected? And do not all generations manifest something they cannot resolve? Will that ever change, with generations to come? You're a hand wringer, you say. Yes I am. But first of all I'm an observer. And Im hopeful. The apparent death we are each experiencing, literally, and existentially, is not a reason to despair. How did Jesus make death acceptable? Wrong word I guess. I'm just looking at problems in the world, trying to take the right attitude or get the right perspective on it, or better yet, make the wrong right. There was a good book written about life death and dying called As I Lay Dying by Richard Neuhaus.
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