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Post by jetmech on Dec 17, 2018 19:09:48 GMT -5
I listened to a sermon by an old "worldly" minister and he talked about how years ago his church used to open up a period of time for people to stand up and give their testimonies and he said it was a beautiful experience. He said nowadays if the minister asks people to quote their favorite verse they quote JOHN 3:16 and someone else will shout "... oh he/she quoted MY verse ..!" and added " ... everyone knows that verse ..." I couldn't believe my ears. A "worldly" minister saying personal testimonies are beautiful while people in the truth complain about how hard it is to give their testimony. I just thought this was ironic and wonder how everyone feels about this.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 19:46:00 GMT -5
Jetmech, some of us take exception when you call them "Worldly" Ministers. That is 2x2 terminology, and it is offensive. They are Christian Ministers, trained and ordained to be in that position. It is time that some of those false labels that 2x2's put on people disappear. I have seen a lot of progress in this regard, and that is great.
We went to many different Churches over the years, on purpose. We found them to be a place of joy and happiness. Some that we went to used to have fellowship at a laity person's home on a Sunday evening. You could give your testimony if you were moved to do so. Not compulsory. You did not have to be a member of the Church to be there, everybody was welcome. Real testimonies, not mumbo jumbo. Some of the best fellowship we ever attended, great memories.
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Post by nathan on Dec 17, 2018 20:14:19 GMT -5
I listened to a sermon by an old "worldly" minister and he talked about how years ago his church used to open up a period of time for people to stand up and give their testimonies and he said it was a beautiful experience. He said nowadays if the minister asks people to quote their favorite verse they quote JOHN 3:16 and someone else will shout "... oh he/she quoted MY verse ..!" and added " ... everyone knows that verse ..." I couldn't believe my ears. A "worldly" minister saying personal testimonies are beautiful while people in the truth complain about how hard it is to give their testimony. I just thought this was ironic and wonder how everyone feels about this. Amen, brother... I used to attend Pentecostal and the preacher did most of the speaking and the believers just listened to the sermons he prepared. In the Sunday morning meetings is so good to hear each other testimonies, their words of encouragement, their struggles, battles and victories... and we praises God together for all of His goodness and blessings.
That what Jesus meant to worship God worship Him in Spirit and in Truth... when God hears His people give the Godhead praises, thanksgivings, adoration and worship for all the things they have done for them. It's beautiful time to see His people are singing hymns, praising God, and they are thankful people.
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Post by jetmech on Dec 17, 2018 22:03:22 GMT -5
Jetmech, some of us take exception when you call them "Worldly" Ministers. That is 2x2 terminology, and it is offensive. They are Christian Ministers, trained and ordained to be in that position. It is time that some of those false labels that 2x2's put on people disappear. I have seen a lot of progress in this regard, and that is great. We went to many different Churches over the years, on purpose. We found them to be a place of joy and happiness. Some that we went to used to have fellowship at a laity person's home on a Sunday evening. You could give your testimony if you were moved to do so. Not compulsory. You did not have to be a member of the Church to be there, everybody was welcome. Real testimonies, not mumbo jumbo. Some of the best fellowship we ever attended, great memories. Redback I'll give you a like on your post here because this is an interesting topic you bring up as the Bible talks about people who always choose to be offended. I would ask you what makes you believe I was not referring to a worker as the "worldly" minister? I was placed with a professing family as a foster kid from the age of about 1 1/2 yrs old until I was 14, then I was relocated to a Methodist family.The Methodist church sometimes had "testimony Sunday" ... not often ... maybe once a year; but, what makes you believe I wasn't referring to the 2 X 2 church as thw "worldly" church? I wasn't of course. But any psychologist will tell you that it is YOU who chooses how you're going to feel about a thing and how you are going to react. I took my Bible in with me to a McDonald's two Sundays ago ... just to see what people would say and how they'd act when they see me reading the Bible. Sure enough some people came past me and made sarcasstic remarks. One guy asked me if I was there to save his soul. I asked him whst made him think I believe in the Bible. I asked him if it were possible that maybe I'm an athiest just reading through the Bible to arm myself for religious arguments! He allowed that could be possible and began to laugh. I pointed out then that I'd seen people reading novels at McDonald's ... I'd seen people read newspapers there etc and asked him why people like him react to someone reading the Bible. I pointed out that I had not said one word to him; that he came to me with his sarcassim. I told him he really should mind hos own business. Then, when I stood up and ge saw that I am 6'1" and capable of kicking his ..m you-know-what ... his face flushed red and he headed on out the door! I ended up going out there and apologetically speaking with him, told him it was all good and bought his breakfast, then I went on and read my Bible there for awhile. Ha! I purposefully referred to "worldly" ministers instead of saying "nontruthers" because I have a right to FREE SPEECH, and at the age of 65 I will identify them exactly as I choose without asking YOU or anyone else for your permission to say what I have to say! If you choose to take some things I say personal and internalize it and be offended ... well that's YOUR problem not mine. I could be offended by what everyone on the board says against workers and friends but this would in my opinion reveal a lack of open mindedness on my part.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 22:39:39 GMT -5
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 17, 2018 23:51:43 GMT -5
Jetmech, some of us take exception when you call them "Worldly" Ministers. That is 2x2 terminology, and it is offensive. They are Christian Ministers, trained and ordained to be in that position. It is time that some of those false labels that 2x2's put on people disappear. I have seen a lot of progress in this regard, and that is great. We went to many different Churches over the years, on purpose. We found them to be a place of joy and happiness. Some that we went to used to have fellowship at a laity person's home on a Sunday evening. You could give your testimony if you were moved to do so. Not compulsory. You did not have to be a member of the Church to be there, everybody was welcome. Real testimonies, not mumbo jumbo. Some of the best fellowship we ever attended, great memories. Redback I'll give you a like on your post here because this is an interesting topic you bring up as the Bible talks about people who always choose to be offended. I would ask you what makes you believe I was not referring to a worker as the "worldly" minister? I was placed with a professing family as a foster kid from the age of about 1 1/2 yrs old until I was 14, then I was relocated to a Methodist family. The Methodist church sometimes had "testimony Sunday" ... not often ... maybe once a year; but, what makes you believe I wasn't referring to the 2 X 2 church as thw "worldly" church? I wasn't of course. But any psychologist will tell you that it is YOU who chooses how you're going to feel about a thing and how you are going to react. I took my Bible in with me to a McDonald's two Sundays ago ... just to see what people would say and how they'd act when they see me reading the Bible. Sure enough some people came past me and made sarcasstic remarks. One guy asked me if I was there to save his soul. I asked him whst made him think I believe in the Bible. I asked him if it were possible that maybe I'm an athiest just reading through the Bible to arm myself for religious arguments! He allowed that could be possible and began to laugh. I pointed out then that I'd seen people reading novels at McDonald's ... I'd seen people read newspapers there etc and asked him why people like him react to someone reading the Bible. I pointed out that I had not said one word to him; that he came to me with his sarcassim. I told him he really should mind hos own business. Then, when I stood up and ge saw that I am 6'1" and capable of kicking his ..m you-know-what ... his face flushed red and he headed on out the door! I ended up going out there and apologetically speaking with him, told him it was all good and bought his breakfast, then I went on and read my Bible there for awhile. Ha! I purposefully referred to "worldly" ministers instead of saying "nontruthers" because I have a right to FREE SPEECH, and at the age of 65 I will identify them exactly as I choose without asking YOU or anyone else for your permission to say what I have to say! If you choose to take some things I say personal and internalize it and be offended ... well that's YOUR problem not mine. I could be offended by what everyone on the board says against workers and friends but this would in my opinion reveal a lack of open mindedness on my part. Oh indeed you have a right to FREE SPEECH, jetmech.
But, I am sure that you heard at least once when you were in the 2x2's the phrase "Worldly" Ministers" & who they were & why they were referred to in that manner.
So, WHO were you referring to when you said: "I listened to a sermon by an old "worldly" minister....?"
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Post by xna on Dec 19, 2018 16:31:40 GMT -5
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Post by jetmech on Dec 22, 2018 11:37:11 GMT -5
Redback I'll give you a like on your post here because this is an interesting topic you bring up as the Bible talks about people who always choose to be offended. I would ask you what makes you believe I was not referring to a worker as the "worldly" minister? I was placed with a professing family as a foster kid from the age of about 1 1/2 yrs old until I was 14, then I was relocated to a Methodist family. The Methodist church sometimes had "testimony Sunday" ... not often ... maybe once a year; but, what makes you believe I wasn't referring to the 2 X 2 church as thw "worldly" church? I wasn't of course. But any psychologist will tell you that it is YOU who chooses how you're going to feel about a thing and how you are going to react. I took my Bible in with me to a McDonald's two Sundays ago ... just to see what people would say and how they'd act when they see me reading the Bible. Sure enough some people came past me and made sarcasstic remarks. One guy asked me if I was there to save his soul. I asked him whst made him think I believe in the Bible. I asked him if it were possible that maybe I'm an athiest just reading through the Bible to arm myself for religious arguments! He allowed that could be possible and began to laugh. I pointed out then that I'd seen people reading novels at McDonald's ... I'd seen people read newspapers there etc and asked him why people like him react to someone reading the Bible. I pointed out that I had not said one word to him; that he came to me with his sarcassim. I told him he really should mind hos own business. Then, when I stood up and ge saw that I am 6'1" and capable of kicking his ..m you-know-what ... his face flushed red and he headed on out the door! I ended up going out there and apologetically speaking with him, told him it was all good and bought his breakfast, then I went on and read my Bible there for awhile. Ha! I purposefully referred to "worldly" ministers instead of saying "nontruthers" because I have a right to FREE SPEECH, and at the age of 65 I will identify them exactly as I choose without asking YOU or anyone else for your permission to say what I have to say! If you choose to take some things I say personal and internalize it and be offended ... well that's YOUR problem not mine. I could be offended by what everyone on the board says against workers and friends but this would in my opinion reveal a lack of open mindedness on my part. Oh indeed you have a right to FREE SPEECH, jetmech.
But, I am sure that you heard at least once when you were in the 2x2's the phrase "Worldly" Ministers" & who they were & why they were referred to in that manner.
So, WHO were you referring to when you said: "I listened to a sermon by an old "worldly" minister....?"
Well what are you 'belly achin' " about dmmichgood … being the atheist you claim you are … this "worldly" minister sure wasn't YOUR minster was he? Why are you sticking up for another GOD-believing person who is not an atheist like you??? That doesn't make any sense AT ALL! That's like fighting an enemy in a way, then going to the enemies defense and sticking up for them??? Isn't that a little bit quadraphonic scitzophrenic??? I just don't get it. Who's side are you on anyway dmmichgood … GOD's or the Devil's?
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 22, 2018 21:01:46 GMT -5
Oh indeed you have a right to FREE SPEECH, jetmech.
But, I am sure that you heard at least once when you were in the 2x2's the phrase "Worldly" Ministers" & who they were & why they were referred to in that manner.
So, WHO were you referring to when you said: "I listened to a sermon by an old "worldly" minister....?"
Well what are you 'belly achin' " about dmmichgood … being the atheist you claim you are … this "worldly" minister sure wasn't YOUR minster was he?
Why are you sticking up for another GOD-believing person who is not an atheist like you???
That doesn't make any sense AT ALL!
That's like fighting an enemy in a way, then going to the enemies defense and sticking up for them???
Isn't that a little bit quadraphonic scitzophrenic???
I just don't get it.
Who's side are you on anyway dmmichgood … GOD's or the Devil's?
Why must I be on either side, -"GOD's or the Devil's", -jechmech?
I was speaking to what I knew happened when I was professing, -jechmech.
In fact it would be rather difficult for me to be on either the side of GOD or the Devil, -since I don't believe either one exists
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 21:33:17 GMT -5
Dmg it is a feature of 2x2's, they are taught to categorise everything, good bad, heaven hell, professing worldly, friends enemy, etc. We were taught to do it with people, which is quite wrong. It just gives you an unbalanced discernment and warped view of what life is about.
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Post by iam on Feb 18, 2020 20:43:14 GMT -5
Jetmech, some of us take exception when you call them "Worldly" Ministers. That is 2x2 terminology, and it is offensive. They are Christian Ministers, trained and ordained to be in that position. It is time that some of those false labels that 2x2's put on people disappear. I have seen a lot of progress in this regard, and that is great. We went to many different Churches over the years, on purpose. We found them to be a place of joy and happiness. Some that we went to used to have fellowship at a laity person's home on a Sunday evening. You could give your testimony if you were moved to do so. Not compulsory. You did not have to be a member of the Church to be there, everybody was welcome. Real testimonies, not mumbo jumbo. Some of the best fellowship we ever attended, great memories. Why are you not still having fellowship with those people when it was some of the best fellowship you ever attended? It sounds so... sleazy...like one night stands or serial dating in a spiritual sense, not to be loyal to a group of people. If it was that great, I wouldn't leave.
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Post by iam on Feb 18, 2020 20:49:43 GMT -5
Redback I'll give you a like on your post here because this is an interesting topic you bring up as the Bible talks about people who always choose to be offended. I would ask you what makes you believe I was not referring to a worker as the "worldly" minister? I was placed with a professing family as a foster kid from the age of about 1 1/2 yrs old until I was 14, then I was relocated to a Methodist family. The Methodist church sometimes had "testimony Sunday" ... not often ... maybe once a year; but, what makes you believe I wasn't referring to the 2 X 2 church as thw "worldly" church? I wasn't of course. But any psychologist will tell you that it is YOU who chooses how you're going to feel about a thing and how you are going to react. I took my Bible in with me to a McDonald's two Sundays ago ... just to see what people would say and how they'd act when they see me reading the Bible. Sure enough some people came past me and made sarcasstic remarks. One guy asked me if I was there to save his soul. I asked him whst made him think I believe in the Bible. I asked him if it were possible that maybe I'm an athiest just reading through the Bible to arm myself for religious arguments! He allowed that could be possible and began to laugh. I pointed out then that I'd seen people reading novels at McDonald's ... I'd seen people read newspapers there etc and asked him why people like him react to someone reading the Bible. I pointed out that I had not said one word to him; that he came to me with his sarcassim. I told him he really should mind hos own business. Then, when I stood up and ge saw that I am 6'1" and capable of kicking his ..m you-know-what ... his face flushed red and he headed on out the door! I ended up going out there and apologetically speaking with him, told him it was all good and bought his breakfast, then I went on and read my Bible there for awhile. Ha! I purposefully referred to "worldly" ministers instead of saying "nontruthers" because I have a right to FREE SPEECH, and at the age of 65 I will identify them exactly as I choose without asking YOU or anyone else for your permission to say what I have to say! If you choose to take some things I say personal and internalize it and be offended ... well that's YOUR problem not mine. I could be offended by what everyone on the board says against workers and friends but this would in my opinion reveal a lack of open mindedness on my part. Oh indeed you have a right to FREE SPEECH, jetmech.
But, I am sure that you heard at least once when you were in the 2x2's the phrase "Worldly" Ministers" & who they were & why they were referred to in that manner.
So, WHO were you referring to when you said: "I listened to a sermon by an old "worldly" minister....?"
Why would people here be offended by the term "worldly ministers" when they are equally, or worse, offensive to the t&w. Tit for tat. Judge not and we will be not judged, but who's gonna be man enough to stop the cycle?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 21:16:54 GMT -5
Just like Workers they are Christian Ministers. The only difference being main stream Church Ministers with great effort complete Theological studies and become ordained. That gives them a much better understanding and knowledge to perform the tasks of a Minister.
That "Worldly" clarification that is made by 2x2's about things is just a misnomer and nonsense that crept in to their doctrine. It has no relevance or meaning and should be ignored. Most of those ridiculous assumptions are due to the "Herd Mentality" that has infected the 2x2's. Good to see that the younger generation are more enlightened and starting to think for themselves. That is what was intended and common sense.
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Post by iam on Feb 18, 2020 21:46:22 GMT -5
Just like Workers they are Christian Ministers. The only difference being main stream Church Ministers with great effort complete Theological studies and become ordained. That gives them a much better understanding and knowledge to perform the tasks of a Minister. That "Worldly" clarification that is made by 2x2's about things is just a misnomer and nonsense that crept in to their doctrine. It has no relevance or meaning and should be ignored. Most of those ridiculous assumptions are due to the "Herd Mentality" that has infected the 2x2's. Good to see that the younger generation are more enlightened and starting to think for themselves. That is what was intended and common sense. Herd mentality...like sheep? Or the oppositional anti-sheep mentality...like the goats? The younger generation are starting to think for themselves? You mean they're thinking more like the naysayers? No offense, Redneck, but you're no less offensive than the 2&2s that have their own ridiculous assumptions and misnomers. Honestly, I don't mean to be offensive and I am sorry if I come across that way, but it appears that the anti 2&2s are more offensive, hypocritical and lacking good judgement than anyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 22:44:10 GMT -5
Iam because I started as a 2x2 but was fortunate enough to leave and explore other options, it made me aware of the nonsense we had been subjected to. Those who don't get this opportunity will never understand. We have learnt that a Church is meant to concentrate on the Spiritual, and not meddle with the Natural.
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Post by iam on Feb 21, 2020 20:09:54 GMT -5
Iam because I started as a 2x2 but was fortunate enough to leave and explore other options, it made me aware of the nonsense we had been subjected to. Those who don't get this opportunity will never understand. We have learnt that a Church is meant to concentrate on the Spiritual, and not meddle with the Natural. WHAT spiritual?😟
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2020 21:16:01 GMT -5
Iam I would agree there is a lack of spiritual teaching, it is more about religion.
A major difference between religion and spirituality is believing versus being. Religion emphasizes the content of followers' beliefs and how those beliefs play out in their everyday lives. On the other hand, the focus of spirituality is on the process of becoming attuned to one's inner self.
If you become more spiritual you don't need a set of rules to guide you, control of your life comes from within yourself. A much better option, should be promoted more.
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Post by shushy on May 26, 2020 6:19:51 GMT -5
Many moons ago I struggled for yrs to speak in the meeting. Now you cant shut me up
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Post by BobWilliston on May 26, 2020 8:32:15 GMT -5
Many moons ago I struggled for yrs to speak in the meeting. Now you cant shut me up I know the type.
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Post by Get off of TMB on May 28, 2020 17:17:17 GMT -5
I use phrases that I think the friends would recognize if they found these boards. Some of the terms used here would make me wonder if these boards were really about the fellowship. Some people find meeting phrases offensive but I think we need to be able to speak and hear them so others know which group these boards are about.
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