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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 13, 2018 20:59:59 GMT -5
So in reality you do pick and choose what suits your belief @wally ! its a tried and tested method for the last 2000 years to engage in prayer, reading and revelation when looking at scripture i'm good with it whether or not you like it... That's why there are so many religions/churches @wally no one can agree on what "the book" actually says or means !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 21:09:45 GMT -5
its a tried and tested method for the last 2000 years to engage in prayer, reading and revelation when looking at scripture i'm good with it whether or not you like it... That's why there are so many religions/churches @wally no one can agree on what "the book" actually says or means ! despite your nay saying there are a few point of consensus among all the churches...Christ lived, died and was resurrected, love your neighbor as your self, no greater love than this that a man lays down his life for his friends, you must believe in Christ to be saved, baptism...etc...etc...
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 13, 2018 21:31:51 GMT -5
You likely know more about this, but it wasn't Christ that Jews quit their offerings, was it. Wasn't it the loss of the Temple which was done in Nero's reign? the jews that followed Christ quit sacrificing animals with his death on the cross and resurrection.... I'm not so sure about that. Paul celebrated the Passover feast with the Gentile converts. He also went to the temple at the reccomended times, which were feast days. That's why I asked Bob the question.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 13, 2018 21:38:22 GMT -5
Well what would there even be any reason for excommunication if it didn't cause any pain and anguish ?
Isn't that the whole point ?
To scare the hell out of all the others?
That's how religions control people!
You would think that religious people would find something useful to do with their lives rather than going round scaring the hell out of people. I guess it takes a certain kind of person. Maybe they are suffering from some kind of Psychosis? There's a large divide between true believers and religious folks. Almost as great a divide as there is between those of faith and atheists. Those of faith don't generally threaten other people to scare the wadding out of them. Usually don't push their faith into other people unless they're asked to speak about their faith. Religious folks have to have everything so-so, even to the point of excommunicating those they haven't been able to scare into compliance.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 21:39:45 GMT -5
the jews that followed Christ quit sacrificing animals with his death on the cross and resurrection.... I'm not so sure about that. Paul celebrated the Passover feast with the Gentile converts. He also went to the temple at the reccomended times, which were feast days. That's why I asked Bob the question. refresh my memory did he say he was celebrating passover or was he just marking the day as time of the passover? it would have been a major mistake to celebrate it....
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 13, 2018 21:48:48 GMT -5
its a tried and tested method for the last 2000 years to engage in prayer, reading and revelation when looking at scripture i'm good with it whether or not you like it... That's why there are so many religions/churches @wally no one can agree on what "the book" actually says or means ! No, that's not "why" there's so many different churches/religions. Again, it's the humans that do such things come because they want to have their directions to turn into doctrine. It's always been a problem because instead of learning how to work together, some people have to be in the position to make those men's commandments made doctrine. It's about always being one up on someone else. Always about making their name, power or ideas more important then somebody else. But the Bible says how it will all work out. Until we are united in faith, there's going to be such as you've complained about. But as we grow unto perfected faith and the author and finisher of our faith returns, he will unite us in faith.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 13, 2018 21:57:20 GMT -5
I'm not so sure about that. Paul celebrated the Passover feast with the Gentile converts. He also went to the temple at the reccomended times, which were feast days. That's why I asked Bob the question. refresh my memory did he say he was celebrating passover or was he just marking the day as time of the passover? it would have been a major mistake to celebrate it.... I read it not long ago and was surprised. But it said he observed the Passover while with his Gentile converts. Now in Acts we read about the Apostles and others going into the temple and praying. The Christian Jews did continue a lot of their Jewish rituals though they were Christian. I don't know why you'd say it was a grave mistake. Jesus himself said to them during his last Passover feast with his own, that "as oft as you do this, remember me". So if the eucharist is not a grave mistake the Passover wouldn't be either. Jesus hasn't returned, so "as oft as we do the remembering of Jesus", then the Passover is appropriate.
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 13, 2018 22:03:23 GMT -5
You're so slippery. You know I was talking about your OT, not the NT. You likely know more about this, but it wasn't Christ that Jews quit their offerings, was it. Wasn't it the loss of the Temple which was done in Nero's reign? Tithing for Jews was only in effect when they were an independent theocracy. Their religious leadership, being the government of the nation, collected an income tax of 10 percent (tithe) for the nation's governing and defense obligations. In Jesus day they were subject to Roman domination and tithing was no longer the law of the land. That's why Jesus told them to pay their taxes (that coin with the Caesar's head on it) to Rome. Anything offered to the temple was by then voluntary and not considered taxes/tithes. I perceive that in modern times the word "tithe" gets promoted to many congregations to make sure the people understand that "God requires" a full ten percent of your income.
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Post by magpie1 on Nov 13, 2018 22:31:20 GMT -5
jetmech,A little knob of hair makes a man look like a woman? Magpie
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Post by jetmech on Nov 13, 2018 23:47:59 GMT -5
jetmech,A little knob of hair makes a man look like a woman? Magpie Yes, it does
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 13, 2018 23:51:25 GMT -5
jetmech,A little knob of hair makes a man look like a woman? Magpie Yes, it does I'm not into long-haired men either.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 1:02:02 GMT -5
refresh my memory did he say he was celebrating passover or was he just marking the day as time of the passover? it would have been a major mistake to celebrate it.... I read it not long ago and was surprised. But it said he observed the Passover while with his Gentile converts. Now in Acts we read about the Apostles and others going into the temple and praying. The Christian Jews did continue a lot of their Jewish rituals though they were Christian. I don't know why you'd say it was a grave mistake. Jesus himself said to them during his last Passover feast with his own, that "as oft as you do this, remember me". So if the eucharist is not a grave mistake the Passover wouldn't be either. Jesus hasn't returned, so "as oft as we do the remembering of Jesus", then the Passover is appropriate. the oft part was about the eucharist not putting blood on the door posts or eating of the lamb....
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 14, 2018 1:36:50 GMT -5
I read it not long ago and was surprised. But it said he observed the Passover while with his Gentile converts. Now in Acts we read about the Apostles and others going into the temple and praying. The Christian Jews did continue a lot of their Jewish rituals though they were Christian. I don't know why you'd say it was a grave mistake. Jesus himself said to them during his last Passover feast with his own, that "as oft as you do this, remember me". So if the eucharist is not a grave mistake the Passover wouldn't be either. Jesus hasn't returned, so "as oft as we do the remembering of Jesus", then the Passover is appropriate. the oft part was about the eucharist not putting blood on the door posts or eating of the lamb.... Come again?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 1:39:51 GMT -5
the oft part was about the eucharist not putting blood on the door posts or eating of the lamb.... Come again? when he said "as oft as you do this" he was talking about the bread and wine....not about putting blood on the door posts or eating the lamb of the passover....
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 14, 2018 1:48:01 GMT -5
Come again? when he said "as oft as you do this" he was talking about the bread and wine....not about putting blood on the door posts or eating the lamb of the passover.... Very good.
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 14, 2018 2:34:39 GMT -5
The injustice is if the hair bun is on a man and that man wants to act like a femake. See? Oh so every man that has their hair in a bun wants to act like a women jetmech ? Talk about generalizations !
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 14, 2018 3:47:02 GMT -5
Some feel the forcing of young people to look like older ladies is an injustice also. The injustice is if the hair bun is on a man and that man wants to act like a female. See? No, I DON'T SEE! What makes you think that man who wears a hair bun wants to act like a female?
Have you ever seen pictures of Japanese samurai warriors?
Geeze Louise!
Jetmech! How can you get your knickers in such a twist over something that does NOT affect you in any way? Especially when there are so many really important things too worry about!
I can remember in the '60's guys like you were getting all upset because some men who started wearing their hair longer! You would have thought the world was coming to an end!
Then, -oh my god! Then, because long hair needed to be kept out of the way of machines etc. when they worked, -they begin to tie it back!
Ye gads!!
My sons were very young and we were in a local small restaurant. A fight nearly broke out when a couple of men in long hair came in and a couple short haired guys just couldn't stand it!
One of my sons was across from me on the other side of them! All I could think of was I hoped he didn't run between them and get in the cross fire!
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 14, 2018 5:17:36 GMT -5
How long do we have to tolerate "man buns" and men wearing ear rings?!!! It's hard enough to endure tatoos and people who look like lizards!!! To quote dmmichgood ... it is all actually making me SICK!!! I'm sick of it all!!! I often remember a testimony of an older lady in Florida in a Sunday morning meeting, when I prejudge people by their dress or outward appearances. (Of course , man tends tojudge by the outward appearances but god judges by the heart . She said she was at a concert, and the performers were “long haired , rough” looking people and she did NOT like their music or them or being at the concert . She noticed another lady down the row , who was obviously VERY much enjoying the music and performance. Then she also noticed , the lady was blind and not prejudiced about the looks of these talented performers. The professing lady said , I closed my eyes and listened , and it was beautiful and very much appreciated the time she had there Easy to miss so much blessing ,by writing people off , before we really know them at all Alvin A very good idea.
I do that when I listen to someone reciting poetry and I have asked people to close their eyes when I have recited my poetry.
By getting the person out of the picture the poetry can mean so much more.
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Post by slowtosee on Nov 14, 2018 10:29:53 GMT -5
Oxymoron- Hey , all you worldly people , look at ME, I am humble and following the way of the cross . Just look at ME !
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Post by snow on Nov 14, 2018 14:31:23 GMT -5
You likely know more about this, but it wasn't Christ that Jews quit their offerings, was it. Wasn't it the loss of the Temple which was done in Nero's reign? Tithing for Jews was only in effect when they were an independent theocracy. Their religious leadership, being the government of the nation, collected an income tax of 10 percent (tithe) for the nation's governing and defense obligations. In Jesus day they were subject to Roman domination and tithing was no longer the law of the land. That's why Jesus told them to pay their taxes (that coin with the Caesar's head on it) to Rome. Anything offered to the temple was by then voluntary and not considered taxes/tithes. I perceive that in modern times the word "tithe" gets promoted to many congregations to make sure the people understand that "God requires" a full ten percent of your income. But Jesus was also very against the temple priests requiring payment for their healing and other temple activities.
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Post by snow on Nov 14, 2018 14:34:42 GMT -5
jetmech,A little knob of hair makes a man look like a woman? Magpie He wouldn't look like a woman if all women wore their hair down. He'd just be a man in a bun Men wear their hair many ways. Pony tails etc. There is never any problem know they are guys though. I guess I can understand why a 2x2 might think that, since it's mandatory for only women to wear their hair in buns.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 14, 2018 14:59:52 GMT -5
I read it not long ago and was surprised. But it said he observed the Passover while with his Gentile converts. Now in Acts we read about the Apostles and others going into the temple and praying. The Christian Jews did continue a lot of their Jewish rituals though they were Christian. I don't know why you'd say it was a grave mistake. Jesus himself said to them during his last Passover feast with his own, that "as oft as you do this, remember me". So if the eucharist is not a grave mistake the Passover wouldn't be either. Jesus hasn't returned, so "as oft as we do the remembering of Jesus", then the Passover is appropriate. the oft part was about the eucharist not putting blood on the door posts or eating of the lamb.... I don't think Jews did that or at least the few I knew of didn't. According to the net the blood on the lintels was a "one time"affair. I disagree but about not eating lamb on Passover. According to several religious websites, I've read the answer they gave when Christians asked if they should keep the Passover. The answer was, it is a Jewish tradition, but it would help Christians to understand the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. I went to a Sedar feast given by a converted to Christianity Jew. He was the host as it should be done. He gave everything from the ceremonial washing of hands, the prayer shawl, and vthe whole story open to questions just as Jewish children would ask the host. We didn't have lamb because to have lamb for a large group was too expensive. So the host used chicken thighs because the thigh bone represents the lamb bone that they were to have in the plate be where they had bitter herbs, and other symbolic things. I encourage anyone who has never been to a Sedar feast, try to get to one, your understanding will be increased and enhanced.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 14, 2018 15:08:58 GMT -5
Come again? when he said "as oft as you do this" he was talking about the bread and wine....not about putting blood on the door posts or eating the lamb of the passover.... Since there's no break in that accounting, and since his audience were all born Jews, it could easily be interpreted he meant the Passover as well as the unleavened bread. The 4 cups of wine are significant in their representation. Some even have five cups of wine. The fifth cup is called "The Elijah cup." But the first four cups represent: 1) first cup - freedom from slavery, "burdens" 2) second cup - freedom of bondage, oppression 3) third cup - Redemption 4) fourth cup - claiming cleansing make his own
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Post by slowtosee on Nov 14, 2018 19:11:51 GMT -5
jetmech,A little knob of hair makes a man look like a woman? Magpie He wouldn't look like a woman if all women wore their hair down. He'd just be a man in a bun Men wear their hair many ways. Pony tails etc. There is never any problem know they are guys though. I guess I can understand why a 2x2 might think that, since it's mandatory for only women to wear their hair in buns. . People with buns are just people without buns , with buns.
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Post by jetmech on Nov 14, 2018 19:59:25 GMT -5
The injustice is if the hair bun is on a man and that man wants to act like a female. See? No, I DON'T SEE! What makes you think that man who wears a hair bun wants to act like a female?
Have you ever seen pictures of Japanese samurai warriors?
Geeze Louise!
Jetmech! How can you get your knickers in such a twist over something that does NOT affect you in any way? Especially when there are so many really important things too worry about!
I can remember in the '60's guys like you were getting all upset because some men who started wearing their hair longer! You would have thought the world was coming to an end!
Then, -oh my god! Then, because long hair needed to be kept out of the way of machines etc. when they worked, -they begin to tie it back!
Ye gads!!
My sons were very young and we were in a local small restaurant. A fight nearly broke out when a couple of men in long hair came in and a couple short haired guys just couldn't stand it!
One of my sons was across from me on the other side of them! All I could think of was I hoped he didn't run between them and get in the cross fire!
I didn't ask YOU if you see ... I wasn't talking to you ... that's pretty egotistical of you to assume I was talking to you, and it is you who evidentally has your, size 3X, knickers in a knot. 😉
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 14, 2018 20:05:01 GMT -5
No, I DON'T SEE! What makes you think that man who wears a hair bun wants to act like a female?
Have you ever seen pictures of Japanese samurai warriors?
Geeze Louise!
Jetmech! How can you get your knickers in such a twist over something that does NOT affect you in any way? Especially when there are so many really important things too worry about!
I can remember in the '60's guys like you were getting all upset because some men who started wearing their hair longer! You would have thought the world was coming to an end!
Then, -oh my god! Then, because long hair needed to be kept out of the way of machines etc. when they worked, -they begin to tie it back!
Ye gads!!
My sons were very young and we were in a local small restaurant. A fight nearly broke out when a couple of men in long hair came in and a couple short haired guys just couldn't stand it!
One of my sons was across from me on the other side of them! All I could think of was I hoped he didn't run between them and get in the cross fire!
I didn't ask YOU if you see ... I wasn't talking to you ... that's pretty egotistical of you to assume I was talking to you, and it is you who evidentally has your, size 3X, knickers in a knot. 😉 No jetmech is seems it is you who has "your knickers in a knot" .... we only have to look at threads you have started and what they are about to see that !!! Just because YOU don't like something doesn't mean it its wrong .... people are free to dress how every they like. Maybe you should be a worker jetmech .... but then again you might have to go to meetings for that to happen !!
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Post by BobWilliston on Nov 14, 2018 20:07:58 GMT -5
No, I DON'T SEE! What makes you think that man who wears a hair bun wants to act like a female?
Have you ever seen pictures of Japanese samurai warriors?
Geeze Louise!
Jetmech! How can you get your knickers in such a twist over something that does NOT affect you in any way? Especially when there are so many really important things too worry about!
I can remember in the '60's guys like you were getting all upset because some men who started wearing their hair longer! You would have thought the world was coming to an end!
Then, -oh my god! Then, because long hair needed to be kept out of the way of machines etc. when they worked, -they begin to tie it back!
Ye gads!!
My sons were very young and we were in a local small restaurant. A fight nearly broke out when a couple of men in long hair came in and a couple short haired guys just couldn't stand it!
One of my sons was across from me on the other side of them! All I could think of was I hoped he didn't run between them and get in the cross fire!
I didn't ask YOU if you see ... I wasn't talking to you ... that's pretty egotistical of you to assume I was talking to you, and it is you who evidentally has your, size 3X, knickers in a knot. 😉 And you've checked out her knickers?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 21:22:15 GMT -5
I didn't ask YOU if you see ... I wasn't talking to you ... that's pretty egotistical of you to assume I was talking to you, and it is you who evidentally has your, size 3X, knickers in a knot. 😉 Maybe you should be a worker jetmech .... but then again you might have to go to meetings for that to happen !! says the gal who gave up on God when life treated her badly....
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