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Post by xna on Nov 5, 2018 15:09:42 GMT -5
Why are they starving? In this day and age there is so much that can help divert such suffering. We blame God for starving or abused children? Why? I understand it's basically a fight for which is the one one true sect; Iran / Shia vs. Saudi Arabia Sunni --------- It's just like the poor migrants coming to US of A, why don't they get together and take back their country? Why don't they use all this energy they're pouring out to migrate thousands of miles in which they know they are not welcome, to band together and rid their country of the drug cartels and change their governing bodies so that they can bring their country up out of the drags that it's in?
The best thing our government can do to help them IS to stop the money assistance to the government of these countries and take that money to train these migrants how to protect, take back their country and to enable them to know how to do those kinds of things to feed themselves and to have a good prospective life. Things that they are pushing to get in America. See my tag line www.theworldcounts.com/counters/global_hunger_statistics/how_many_people_die_from_hunger_each_yearPeople who have died from hunger in the world this year is: 30,460,198 (as i write this) I agree, the people need to take responsibility; using birth control, compassion, education, and stop looking to a god for help. The god is part of the problem, not part of the solution. JMT
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 5, 2018 15:49:15 GMT -5
The Yemen has some rich agricultural land but sectarian violence has pervaded the country as long as I can remember. Currently, Saudi Arabia are terrorizing the place. Iran has been supplying arms and personnel to even up the struggle as they are the same branch of Islam. SA are doing this with the complicity of the USA. Years ago a USA warship was bombed in a Yemen Harbour. I wonder if anyone has asked the Yemini what they want. The answer may possibly be left alone by all the other players in this game of misery. The foreign policy of the major powers leaves a lot to be desired.
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Post by magpie1 on Nov 5, 2018 15:58:47 GMT -5
Yes,also please remember our persecuted Brothers and Sisters and the little children. As in 2017, ONE PERSON WAS MARTYRED EVERY SIX MINUTES,WHY?,THEY WERE FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST (CHRISTIANS). That is over 100 Thousand of our Church 'Family"killed,in one year. Sometimes they are the lucky ones the raped women and children,enslavement,the men shot or decapitated in front of them,dying of starvation, burying the children taken from dry mums,next day the mums. The stench in a refugee camp,yuk, we must support the Christian and secular volunteers,putting their lives and health at risk every day,OH and what they experience,prayer is also paramount to their work and survival,they plead that we don't stop.. At our Church two couples a while back, made their Honeymoons one couple in an Aids Orphanage the others Third World refugee camp,doesn't have to be a honeymoon just your next Vacation,unto those HIS little ones-Do it for "HIM". It will bless you beyond belief. Magpie
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Post by magpie1 on Nov 5, 2018 16:06:06 GMT -5
$$ One hundred "Billion",armament sales from USA to Saudi?? No way will anyone speak up about Yemen? Oil is also the language of the Saudi,US and many countries,don't rock the boat,Western Society look at what side their bread is buttered on. Then will select who they pretend to who they have compassion for. Magpie.
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Post by xna on Nov 5, 2018 16:14:43 GMT -5
The Yemen has some rich agricultural land but sectarian violence has pervaded the country as long as I can remember. Currently, Saudi Arabia are terrorizing the place. Iran has been supplying arms and personnel to even up the struggle as they are the same branch of Islam. SA are doing this with the complicity of the USA. Years ago a USA warship was bombed in a Yemen Harbour. I wonder if anyone has asked the Yemini what they want. The answer may possibly be left alone by all the other players in this game of misery. The foreign policy of the major powers leaves a lot to be desired. Islam like most all other religions have their schisms each think they are the one true right way. nathan needs to set them all straight that Christians 2x2 are the only one right way. Yemenis from wiki65% are Shuni, 58% of them are Shafi'i Shunni (1 of 4 sects of Shuni) 35% are Shia, 42% of them are Zaidi Shia (oldest branch second largest group sect) The cure is to remove all religions, but I guess that will never happen.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 5, 2018 16:35:33 GMT -5
It does seem that she reads everything with a critical eye so to correct it. 😉 Yeah ... like she needs to citique EVERYTHING someone says and SHE is the one who can't accept another's views unless they agree with hers ... talk about inflexibility! lol well, if you two, -as well as some other guys, -would use some critical thinking about your beliefs and positions, you could put me out a of job!
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Post by slowtosee on Nov 5, 2018 17:24:55 GMT -5
The cure is to remove all religions, but I guess that will never happen. Scary thought , but sadly there are people who believe that killing all religious people would eliminate religion. Thankful , for more reasonable thinkers , like David mcafee , (an atheist who studies religion. ) , compared to Sam Harris , “If I could wave a magic wand and get rid of either rape or religion, I would not hesitate to get rid of religion.” Wow Alvin Atheists Should Stop Trying to Destroy Religion davidgmcafee.wordpress.com/2015/06/08/atheists-should-stop-trying-to-destroy-religion/Recently, I was approached by a self-described anti-theist who suggested that killing every single religious person – man, woman, and child – was a viable “cure for religion.” This would be almost negligible if it were just a one-off occurrence, or if the person was saying it for shock value, but I’ve heard this proposal a number of times and this particular individual stressed his military background and demanded a logical rebuttal to his position. I told him that killing all religious people to end religion isn’t just a disturbing thought, it also wouldn’t work.
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Post by xna on Nov 5, 2018 18:15:38 GMT -5
The cure is to remove all religions, but I guess that will never happen. Scary thought , but sadly there are people who believe that killing all religious people would eliminate religion. Thankful , for more reasonable thinkers , like David mcafee , (an atheist who studies religion. ) , compared to Sam Harris , “If I could wave a magic wand and get rid of either rape or religion, I would not hesitate to get rid of religion.” Wow Alvin Atheists Should Stop Trying to Destroy Religion davidgmcafee.wordpress.com/2015/06/08/atheists-should-stop-trying-to-destroy-religion/Recently, I was approached by a self-described anti-theist who suggested that killing every single religious person – man, woman, and child – was a viable “cure for religion.” This would be almost negligible if it were just a one-off occurrence, or if the person was saying it for shock value, but I’ve heard this proposal a number of times and this particular individual stressed his military background and demanded a logical rebuttal to his position. I told him that killing all religious people to end religion isn’t just a disturbing thought, it also wouldn’t work. "remove all religions" was the wrong word to use here. "fade away" or "die out" would have better expressed my thoughts. Sorry about making you think i have an extreme atheist worldview. Do you know any open atheist in person? All the atheists I know are opposed to killing anyone for what they think, or prohibiting them from saying what they think. Look at countries where religion has nearly died out and compare that with the very religious countries. You can see the positive effects on the quality of life in society when religion has greatly declined. Yet I don't expect religion to die out for the same reasons David mcafee explained in his blog. ------------------------------- Now let's play a "hypothetical game". Which is worse; a) killing all theists b) torturing all atheists for a lifetime, plus infinity a) The most extreme anti-theist possible b) The plan of the god of the Abrahamic religions PS: I have never heard of David mcafee, but I just now read the blog link. Thanks I not sure where or who he hangs out with but I have never heard any atheist advocate killing anyone based of their religion! It's a big world so it's possible some out there (may be in China???). Compare that to many theist's each day in the news who do kill other theist or atheists. The two are not even close to comparable in fact. Here is the bio of Sam Harris PhD in cognitive neuroscience FROM UCLA least anyone think he is a common lunatic from this thread. FYI: A Sam Harris quote from the same interview "Unlike some atheists who cast clever barbs at all spirituality, Harris sees value in what he calls the “contemplative experience” and views his own Buddhist-inspired meditation practice as an evidence-based, rational enterprise."
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 5, 2018 18:49:47 GMT -5
Why are they starving? In this day and age there is so much that can help divert such suffering. We blame God for starving or abused children? Why? I understand it's basically a fight for which is the one one true sect; Iran / Shia vs. Saudi Arabia Sunni --------- It's just like the poor migrants coming to US of A, why don't they get together and take back their country? Why don't they use all this energy they're pouring out to migrate thousands of miles in which they know they are not welcome, to band together and rid their country of the drug cartels and change their governing bodies so that they can bring their country up out of the drags that it's in?
The best thing our government can do to help them IS to stop the money assistance to the government of these countries and take that money to train these migrants how to protect, take back their country and to enable them to know how to do those kinds of things to feed themselves and to have a good prospective life. Things that they are pushing to get in America. See my tag line www.theworldcounts.com/counters/global_hunger_statistics/how_many_people_die_from_hunger_each_yearPeople who have died from hunger in the world this year is: 30,460,198 (as i write this) I agree, the people need to take responsibility; using birth control, compassion, education, and stop looking to a god for help. The god is part of the problem, not part of the solution. JMT I totally disagree that God is any of the problem. Why would he be? He made man in his own image which means he gave them a brain or intellect to use, to make wise decisions, to figure out the solutions to their problems, and to know when they can't make it alone. If mankind can't utilize what's been given them, why should God bear the brunt of the blame?
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Post by xna on Nov 5, 2018 18:54:00 GMT -5
Scary thought , but sadly there are people who believe that killing all religious people would eliminate religion. Thankful , for more reasonable thinkers , like David mcafee , (an atheist who studies religion. ) , compared to Sam Harris , “If I could wave a magic wand and get rid of either rape or religion, I would not hesitate to get rid of religion.” Wow Alvin Here is the source for that quote and the entire quote. If you read the entire reply as it give some color and context to his picture of religion. Saltman: Your analogy between organized religion and rape is pretty inflammatory. Is that intentional? Harris: I can be even more inflammatory than that. If I could wave a magic wand and get rid of either rape or religion, I would not hesitate to get rid of religion. I think more people are dying as a result of our religious myths than as a result of any other ideology. I would not say that all human conflict is born of religion or religious differences, but for the human community to be fractured on the basis of religious doctrines that are fundamentally incompatible, in an age when nuclear weapons are proliferating, is a terrifying scenario. I think we do the world a disservice when we suggest that religions are generally benign and not fundamentally divisive.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 5, 2018 18:58:24 GMT -5
Well here we are. Note for God's flock(inc Wally & Nathan) . Matthew 6:16-18, When you fast do not look somber as the hypocrites do,for they disfigure their faces to show others they are fasting. Truly I tell you,they have received their rewards in full. But when"YOU" fast,put oil on your head and wash your face,so that it will not be obvious to others that you are fasting,WALLY, but only to your "Father",who is unseen;and your"Father",who sees what is done in secret,will reward you. .Wally there has been many good teachings (Teachers as mentioned in Ephesians 4;11-12)on this subject catch up with some,does our soul GOOD... Magpie that verse acknowledges fasting and the manner in which to do it it does not command it.... Jesus words are about the same when he spoke about the bread and wine. "As often as you do this, remember me.". I don't get it that if we don't do it that it means we're lost and going to hell because we don't do it. Actually Jesus was speaking about the Passover feast, as the Passover was a type and foreshadow of Jesus' sacrifice to save mankind, so he was speaking to his Jewish Apostles, which they would likely do the Passover. So thus he asked them to remember him as often as they eat the Passover, which would be once a year.
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Post by xna on Nov 5, 2018 18:59:36 GMT -5
I totally disagree that God is any of the problem. Why would he be? There is no evidence of any god. If you have any please provide it, and you will be the person of the year for 2018. There is lots of DNA evidence of how we are made. God is not the problem, the problem is when people believe in and kill others over what they imagine god wants them to do. If mankind can't utilize what's been given them, why should God bear the brunt of the blame? I don't blame any god for the harm and evil, I blame what people do in the name of their gods.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 5, 2018 19:18:12 GMT -5
Yeah ... like she needs to citique EVERYTHING someone says and SHE is the one who can't accept another's views unless they agree with hers ... talk about inflexibility! lol well, if you two, -as well as some other guys, -would use some critical thinking about your beliefs and positions, you could put me out a of job! I assure I've given much thought about faith and it's been a critical process. So I have to say your problem is not giving critical thinking rights to those who critically think about critical matters, yet may come up with different results then you. Why is it such a dire thing if someone believes in God? Why should that rile you into trying to change that?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 5, 2018 19:19:54 GMT -5
I totally disagree that God is any of the problem. Why would he be? There is no evidence of any god. If you have any please provide it, and you will be the person of the year for 2018. There is lots of DNA evidence of how we are made. God is not the problem, the problem is when people believe in and kill others over what they imagine god wants them to do. If mankind can't utilize what's been given them, why should God bear the brunt of the blame? I don't blame any god for the harm and evil, I blame what people do in the name of their gods. Who do you blame when atheists or non-believers do same kind of atrocious deeds?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2018 19:21:41 GMT -5
I totally disagree that God is any of the problem. Why would he be? If mankind can't utilize what's been given them, why should God bear the brunt of the blame? I don't blame any god for the harm and evil, I blame what people do in the name of their gods. your tagline doesn't leave anyone with the idea that your warm and fuzzy towards God or leave him blameless...
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Post by slowtosee on Nov 5, 2018 19:29:55 GMT -5
Christian response to hunger foodgrainsbank.ca/ Was just named among top 10 charities in Canada . 15 church groups now involved . Started by a couple farmers in our province , wondering what they could do to help hungry people across the world . Local area here , has contributed for years , with farmers donating land , machinery etc . And local businesses donate inputs , etc. Multi millions donated . Alvin [/quote]
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Post by slowtosee on Nov 5, 2018 19:36:02 GMT -5
. God is not the problem, the problem is when people believe in and kill others over what they imagine god wants them to do. If mankind can't utilize what's been given them, why should God bear the brunt of the blame? I don't blame any god for the harm and evil, I blame what people do in the name of their gods. Good points I agree . It is a human problem, who use the tool of religion to do great evil and harm . Many very good and helpful tools , can and are used for terrible deeds . Eliminating any or all those tools , wouldn’t change the human condition as they would invent “new” ones , if their “desires” or “heart” are not changed . Alvin Alvin
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Post by xna on Nov 5, 2018 19:36:06 GMT -5
I don't blame any god for the harm and evil, I blame what people do in the name of their gods. your tagline doesn't leave anyone with the idea that your warm and fuzzy towards God or leave him blameless... It's designed to make theists stop and consider the " Problem Of Evil". It makes many people stop and think about - what they believe and why, which is one of the main reasons I am here. :-)
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Post by xna on Nov 5, 2018 19:55:16 GMT -5
Christian response to hunger foodgrainsbank.ca/ Was just named among top 10 charities in Canada . 15 church groups now involved . Started by a couple farmers in our province , wondering what they could do to help hungry people across the world . Local area here , has contributed for years , with farmers donating land , machinery etc . And local businesses donate inputs , etc. Multi millions donated . Alvin Good to see their work. I applaud them. There is good in religion. I say keep the good parts, and "fade away" the bad parts. I too see the need to help others. I have set aside monies for these groups. Foundation Beyond Belief American Red Cross. Doctors Without Boarders
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Post by xna on Nov 5, 2018 20:07:06 GMT -5
Who do you blame when atheists or non-believers do same kind of atrocious deeds? Anyone can do evil. People who believe in god, can do evil. People who don't believe in god, can do evil. Gods don't do evil. [ me thinks Isaiah 45:7 is just fiction :-) ] The difference is people will do evil in the name of their god, much, much, much, much, more often than people will do evil because they don't believe in god. In fact I don't know of any evil an atheist has done in the name of atheism, but the are daily examples of believers who do evil in the name of their gods.
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Post by xna on Nov 5, 2018 21:03:56 GMT -5
I assure I've given much thought about faith and it's been a critical process. So I have to say your problem is not giving critical thinking rights to those who critically think about critical matters, yet may come up with different results then you. People can be "sincerely wrong". I know I have. You mentioned in another post about your "law books". You may know then about the Rules Of Evidence. How does the god question stand up for "proof of facts" under the "Rules Of Evidence"? There was a time in the US when spectral evidence was admissible. Now we know better.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 5, 2018 21:24:00 GMT -5
Christian response to hunger foodgrainsbank.ca/ Was just named among top 10 charities in Canada . 15 church groups now involved . Started by a couple farmers in our province , wondering what they could do to help hungry people across the world . Local area here , has contributed for years , with farmers donating land , machinery etc . And local businesses donate inputs , etc. Multi millions donated . Alvin [/quote] We have a retired nurse in our area who started out with only her church families to help her. They'd go to food banks and or large quantities grocers and ask for donations of foodstuffs. She operated it this way for couple of years and then she got enough publicity from grateful folks, she ended up with awards from both state and national levels. Then the hospitals in the area donated monies to buy foodstuffs at wholesale prices. Many other large businesses also donate money and foidstuff. Now not only had she got feeding the poor and indigenous folks and children but she has gotten the use of a couple of blocks of ground from the city and she is teaching children how to plant, grow and harvest garden vegetables and fruits. I used to work with this nurse, she never was my boss but I often had to go to her areas when staffing was a problem there. I saved her uncle one night so we're best buddies now.this lady deserves a lot if credit for serving her public.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 5, 2018 21:34:52 GMT -5
Who do you blame when atheists or non-believers do same kind of atrocious deeds? Anyone can do evil. People who believe in god, can do evil. People who don't believe in god, can do evil. Gods don't do evil. [ me thinks Isaiah 45:7 is just fiction :-) ] The difference is people will do evil in the name of their god, much, much, much, much, more often than people will do evil because they don't believe in god. In fact I don't know of any evil an atheist has done in the name of atheism, but the are daily examples of believers who do evil in the name of their gods. There has become a "lot" of killing religious people by people who are not particularly professing a God or atheism but still the verbal rancor about religious people has become a "racist" issue as much as the color of skin racism. I'm trying to say that we need to make perpatrators of violence of any kind just own up that is themselves doing the violence and quit using any excuse to do violence. Just admit they want to do violence and leave it at that. Because when they do it in the name of God or politics, it is still their own responsibility, own up to it. But it seems that they think if they do it in the name of something or someone who can't take up for itself or their selves, that it should be an accepted violence. Not even God agrees in that. He told us to love our neighbors as ourselves.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 5, 2018 21:46:11 GMT -5
I assure I've given much thought about faith and it's been a critical process. So I have to say your problem is not giving critical thinking rights to those who critically think about critical matters, yet may come up with different results then you. People can be "sincerely wrong". I know I have. You mentioned in another post about your "law books". You may know then about the Rules Of Evidence. How does the god question stand up for "proof of facts" under the "Rules Of Evidence"? There was a time in the US when spectral evidence was admissible. Now we know better. If we're still talking about evidence there is a God, I've had enough evidence to make me know there is a higher power and I think calling it)him "God" is okay! And yes, it seems Everytime I've gotten such evidence I'm caught unprepared by not having a recording system at hand. But I think that it's one of those things that God likely does intentionally. I don't think he's into splashing his business around so wildly for he's being patient for those whom will voluntarily come to him and ask for his help. But some day he will reveal himself to one and all, I know that and I trust he will do exactly that. The Bible is supposed to be used to guide us into all righteousness and there in is where and when we discover that God IS real. I've discovered that just reading the Bible in the same manner anyone might read any book just doesn't reveal the precious mysteries there in. God intentionally intended that his mysteries wouldn't be so blatantly evident. Why? People being so easily bored would get tired of it. Also God wants us to be like Solomon and ask him to give us wisdom.
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Post by xna on Nov 5, 2018 21:50:11 GMT -5
Anyone can do evil. People who believe in god, can do evil. People who don't believe in god, can do evil. Gods don't do evil. [ me thinks Isaiah 45:7 is just fiction :-) ] The difference is people will do evil in the name of their god, much, much, much, much, more often than people will do evil because they don't believe in god. In fact I don't know of any evil an atheist has done in the name of atheism, but the are daily examples of believers who do evil in the name of their gods. There has become a "lot" of killing religious people by people who are not particularly professing a God or atheism but still the verbal rancor about religious people has become a "racist" issue as much as the color of skin racism. I'm trying to say that we need to make perpatrators of violence of any kind just own up that is themselves doing the violence and quit using any excuse to do violence. Just admit they want to do violence and leave it at that. Because when they do it in the name of God or politics, it is still their own responsibility, own up to it. But it seems that they think if they do it in the name of something or someone who can't take up for itself or their selves, that it should be an accepted violence. Not even God agrees in that. He told us to love our neighbors as ourselves. I wish we never needed the word MARTYR - "A person who is killed because of their religious or other beliefs."
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Post by sharingtheriches on Nov 5, 2018 21:55:14 GMT -5
. God is not the problem, the problem is when people believe in and kill others over what they imagine god wants them to do. If mankind can't utilize what's been given them, why should God bear the brunt of the blame? I don't blame any god for the harm and evil, I blame what people do in the name of their gods. Good points I agree . It is a human problem, who use the tool of religion to do great evil and harm . Many very good and helpful tools , can and are used for terrible deeds . Eliminating any or all those tools , wouldn’t change the human condition as they would invent “new” ones , if their “desires” or “heart” are not changed . Alvin Alvin As I reread this, it came to me that even in the medical field we have those who use their position for evil. There was an article where a male nurse had been arrested for killing patients. Seems he'd been doing it off and on for some years. Why? It was kinda inferred he thought he was doing them a favor. Did he really feel that way at each case or is this just a way he justified his evilness?
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Post by xna on Nov 5, 2018 22:10:13 GMT -5
People can be "sincerely wrong". I know I have. You mentioned in another post about your "law books". You may know then about the Rules Of Evidence. How does the god question stand up for "proof of facts" under the "Rules Of Evidence"? There was a time in the US when spectral evidence was admissible. Now we know better. If we're still talking about evidence there is a God, I've had enough evidence to make me know there is a higher power and I think calling it)him "God" is okay! And yes, it seems Everytime I've gotten such evidence I'm caught unprepared by not having a recording system at hand. But I think that it's one of those things that God likely does intentionally. I don't think he's into splashing his business around so wildly for he's being patient for those whom will voluntarily come to him and ask for his help. But some day he will reveal himself to one and all, I know that and I trust he will do exactly that. The Bible is supposed to be used to guide us into all righteousness and there in is where and when we discover that God IS real. I've discovered that just reading the Bible in the same manner anyone might read any book just doesn't reveal the precious mysteries there in. God intentionally intended that his mysteries wouldn't be so blatantly evident. Why? People being so easily bored would get tired of it. Also God wants us to be like Solomon and ask him to give us wisdom. I don't doubt you have closely held beliefs, or question your sincerity of belief. It's the same with nathan and his UFO's and hollow earth. Anyone can believe anything they want, and I don't have much of a problem with it, unless it harms others. But, if you want me to believe what you believe. I may, but only AFTER you have presented good evidence. To believe before you have a good reason is the definition of credulity - "a tendency to be too ready to believe that something is real or true."In the bible there are many miracles. These acts convinced many that Jesus was the son of god, yet you don't see any recorded miracles lately. Why? It's just like I am still waiting for nathan to explain why now that billions have a smart phone with a high quality camera in their pockets, why then don't we see lots of high quality UFO alien videos.
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Post by xna on Nov 5, 2018 22:27:57 GMT -5
Because when they do it in the name of God or politics, it is still their own responsibility, own up to it. But it seems that they think if they do it in the name of something or someone who can't take up for itself or their selves, that it should be an accepted violence. Not even God agrees in that. He told us to love our neighbors as ourselves. Fact Check: Total number killed by God in the Bible- Using biblical numbers only: 2,821,364 - With estimates: 25,000,000 Documented in the book Drunk with Blood: God's Killings in the Bible
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