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Post by jetmech on Oct 30, 2018 17:00:34 GMT -5
I heard a minister say on the radio that the devil has never seen nor experienced hell, and that he resides in the earth. I find it surprising he has never seen hell and wonder if this is true and where this is referenced in the Bible
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2018 18:29:28 GMT -5
hmmmm...that may be true as i can't recall anywhere in the bible where it says hes been there...there are angels though that committed some awful sins that have been bound and chained and put into hell...
2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; Jud_1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 30, 2018 21:01:08 GMT -5
I can't imagine lucid people attempting to unravel any strain of truth out of this place of chains. Just believe it -- there's nothing more to know about it, except to broaden the scope of the speculation about it all. Of course, there is money to be made in "monitoring" the discovery.
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Post by vanillagorilla on Oct 31, 2018 15:39:01 GMT -5
that minister has lost his mind. finding truth to his claim is impossible. I bet this lunatic still has followers
Although I heard the devil went down to Georgia
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Post by Get off of TMB on Oct 31, 2018 16:18:09 GMT -5
All satan will have his day. His butt will Smoke in eternal torment. He will have a field day between now and then. But that snake will have his day
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Post by nathan on Nov 1, 2018 7:44:22 GMT -5
I heard a minister say on the radio that the devil has never seen nor experienced hell, and that he resides in the earth. I find it surprising he has never seen hell and wonder if this is true and where this is referenced in the Bible I believe that minister might be correct. God has reserved HELL= Eternal Lake of fire for Satan, the fallen angels, and the fallen/unrepent humans, and unbelievers AFTER the judgment day. Rev. 20:10-15.
No, Satan has NOT seen what HELL/Lake of fire until He will be cast into it for eternity. Satan keeps ALL lost souls in HADES, that is where his kingdom is, the inner earth/below the ground. 2Peter_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; Jude_1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.Paul and Peter wrote about After Jesus died Christ's Spirit went to HADES/lower parts of the earth to set FREE the Old Testament believers souls who had been HELD in prison there for 4000 yrs because of sins.
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Post by DrPetros on Nov 2, 2018 17:01:20 GMT -5
As a quick response without research... The first question to ask yourself; what is hell? Could it simply be God abandoning a person? Is that not what Jesus experienced on the cross? "My God, why have you forsaken me?". If that is the possible litmus, then I would say that Satan being cast out of the presence of God "is" Hell. Counterpoint? (Can we keep this academic?) The bible makes reference to a literal hell, not simply either a feeling or separation from God (though the latter is true of a literal hell regardless).
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Post by jetmech on Nov 2, 2018 20:03:52 GMT -5
As a quick response without research... The first question to ask yourself; what is hell? Could it simply be God abandoning a person? Is that not what Jesus experienced on the cross? "My God, why have you forsaken me?". If that is the possible litmus, then I would say that Satan being cast out of the presence of God "is" Hell. Counterpoint? (Can we keep this academic?) The bible makes reference to a literal hell, not simply either a feeling or separation from God (though the latter is true of a literal hell regardless). It's my understanding that hell will be a place of tremendous loneliness; 'counted out', alone, out of touch with all reality and humanity, in complete isolation with no one to communicate with is hell, even on earth, as loneliness is one of the biggest causes of suicide these days; there are rich people who are lonely and there is nothing as bad as being in a crowd and being socially detached from all. It's also my understanding that satan has never tasted hell and has never been in hell; he is to be cast into hell at some time; but, as of this date, he has never seen hell and is not in hell contrary to people who think the devil is in hell in a stoked fire office running things ( just to illustrate), and that Satan actually resides in the earth and runs much of the world. We can see his handiwork in drugs and alcohol ( which lead to isolation and loneliness), in gambling, and prostitution, which lead to destitution and complete loss of self and self respect - which lead straight to isolation and loneliness; as the devil's pay off as he always leads one down a primrose path to DESTRUCTION even death.
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Post by nathan on Nov 3, 2018 8:15:01 GMT -5
The bible makes reference to a literal hell, not simply either a feeling or separation from God (though the latter is true of a literal hell regardless). It's my understanding that hell will be a place of tremendous loneliness; 'counted out', alone, out of touch with all reality and humanity, in complete isolation with no one to communicate with is hell, even on earth, as loneliness is one of the biggest causes of suicide these days; there are rich people who are lonely and there is nothing as bad as being in a crowd and being socially detached from all.
It's also my understanding that Satan has never tasted hell and has never been in hell; he is to be cast into hell at some time; but, as of this date, he has never seen hell and is not in hell contrary to people who think the devil is in hell in a stoked fire office running things ( just to illustrate), and that Satan actually resides in the earth and runs much of the world. We can see his handiwork in drugs and alcohol ( which lead to isolation and loneliness), in gambling, and prostitution, which lead to destitution and complete loss of self and self respect - which lead straight to isolation and loneliness; as the devil's pay off as he always leads one down a primrose path to DESTRUCTION even death. Satan KNOWS and FEELS separation from God, after God cast him and 1/3 of the fallen angels out of heaven to the earth as their home and prison to be judge at the Final Judgement day (Rev. 12:7-9). Satan is VERY angry at God so he is going to take MOST of the humans with him to the LAKE of FIRE= HELL as possible. The Lake of Fire has NOT happen yet! that will take place AFTER the Final Judgement day. (Jude 6) After death Satan keeps the unbelievers and believers souls in HADES the realm of the dead/below the ground (Luke 16 Rich man and Lazarus) but Jesus died His Spirit/Soul went to Hades/inner earth to deliver the Old Testament believers out of that place, and take them back to the Father 2000 yrs ago. The Old and New Testament unbelievers souls are STILL there waiting to appear before the Judges The Father and Christ.
Satan is the god of the underworld, the dead and the unbelievers living on earth, he and his fallen angels and the demigods their children rule the earth and other places in the trillions galaxies in the Universe! Satan and 1/3 of the fallen angels are like the King of the Cartels, they are in prison/earth but they still run the show on earth and throughout the trillion galaxies for billions of years or since Satan's rebellion/War in heaven on the 2nd day of Creation. The WAR in heaven is NOT over but is still going on. That is why Jesus, the King of kings has to come back to subdue all of the evilness has been going on throughout other trillions galaxies and NOT just on the earth. ( I Cor. 15)
The Godhead created Adam and his gods children to help them to RULE and REIGN the Universe, but they were deceived by Satan to give up their rightful as heir of God's children in the Garden of Eden. Christ came down from heaven to RESTORE their rightful heir as God's children, so He is coming back to defeat Satan and the fallen angels and to PUT them and their evil children AWAY once for ALL= Lake of Fire forever. (Rev. 20:1-15).
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