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Post by las logged out on Jul 25, 2006 12:21:07 GMT -5
I went and figured and this is the conclusion of the matter. You must read the [secret sect] In case any doesn't know chip is my little helper
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Post by lloydswanson on Jul 25, 2006 12:24:25 GMT -5
A "Chip" off the old block eh?
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Post by Rob O on Jul 25, 2006 20:31:11 GMT -5
Rob wrote: They go with their beliefs in place and look for passages that might support their beliefs while ignoring reams of scripture that don'tIt has been my experience and observation that many simply do not know how to study their Bibles. I include myself among them. Hi Timber, We all interpret scripture through our individual paradigm. It's impossible not to. What we are and know and believe and fear and cherish as a total person all colours what we find and how we understand scripture. But if we approach with the acceptance that we don't know everything and that we could be wrong and are open to change, we are more likely to start forming an overall coherent framework of understanding. What we should avoid like the plague is latching onto verses that we think support our beliefs and ignoring or dismissing the verses that don't fit our beliefs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2006 6:20:22 GMT -5
Hi Chip - re reading The Secret Sect - is there any issue with that book that you like to bring up that we can talk about?
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Post by timber on Jul 26, 2006 7:21:27 GMT -5
Rob wrote: We all interpret scripture through our individual paradigm. It's impossible not to. What we are and know and believe and fear and cherish as a total person all colours what we find and how we understand scripture.
Thanks for this reminder Rob. I suppose that in this sense the Bible is no different than any other piece of serious literature. We bring our own interpretation to it.
I do not mean to be flippant about this at all. I am in the midst of a very serious questioning of what I have believed in.. Who shall interpret for us? I know that many have said The Holy Spirit shall help us. How can the Holy Spirit have so many different interpretations based on people claiming His stamp of approval on their interpretations? Who is correct?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2006 12:37:25 GMT -5
The New Testament period is soon 2000 years mature now -- and God only knows how long it will continue. There have been hundreds -- thousands --- of helpfull and different ways - forms and places for Christians to meet and share with each other, during that time. Rather naive and self-centered (but typical 2x2) to imply that only one of them is suitable!!!!
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Post by lloydnipawin on Jul 26, 2006 13:14:21 GMT -5
Hi Chip - re reading The Secret Sect - is there any issue with that book that you like to bring up that we can talk about? Hello Bert I want to know about William Irvines involvement with seventh-day adventism can any explain don't think the secret sect book mentions anything about that
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Post by lloydnipawin on Jul 26, 2006 13:16:19 GMT -5
The New Testament period is soon 2000 years mature now -- and God only knows how long it will continue. There have been hundreds -- thousands --- of helpfull and different ways - forms and places for Christians to meet and share with each other, during that time. Rather naive and self-centered (but typical 2x2) to imply that only one of them is suitable!!!! Edgar I thought we lived in 2006 how do you say the 2000 yrs are nearly fulfilled could you explain ?What are you basing this formula on Jesus age?
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Post by to Lloyd and or Chip on Jul 26, 2006 13:28:47 GMT -5
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I thought we lived in 2006 how do you say the 2000 yrs are nearly fulfilled could you explain ?What are you basing this formula on Jesus age?[/quote]
It is now 2006 AD (after death). Jesus died at age 33. 2000 years after his death is year 2033.
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Post by lloydnipawin on Jul 26, 2006 17:02:27 GMT -5
I thought we lived in 2006 how do you say the 2000 yrs are nearly fulfilled could you explain ?What are you basing this formula on Jesus age?[/quote] It is now 2006 AD (after death). Jesus died at age 33. 2000 years after his death is year 2033.[/quote] It is not? 2000 years after his death is the year 2000 plain and simple...
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Post by lloydnipawin on Jul 26, 2006 17:04:40 GMT -5
O.K maybe I'm misunderstanding something here so did the calender start with year one when he was born then? or did the calender start after his death?
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Post by Unbelievable on Jul 26, 2006 18:07:44 GMT -5
I thought we lived in 2006 how do you say the 2000 yrs are nearly fulfilled could you explain ?What are you basing this formula on Jesus age? It is now 2006 AD (after death). Jesus died at age 33. 2000 years after his death is year 2033.[/quote] It is not? 2000 years after his death is the year 2000 plain and simple...[/quote] Simple on so many levels. B.C. or BC - before Christ. More and more frequently replaced with BCE - Before Common Era. A.D. or AD - anno Domini - Latin for "in the year of our Lord". It indicates how many years have passed since the birth of Jesus. It is more and more frequently replaced with CE - Common Era. Now it's quiz time - What year was Jesus born - 0 or 1 AD? Of course - what year do people generally believe Jesus was born?
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Post by lloydnipawin on Jul 26, 2006 18:42:38 GMT -5
Was it 0 or 1?
It was 1
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Post by lloydnipawin on Jul 26, 2006 18:47:11 GMT -5
The calender has we know it is now 2006 yrs AD The point is when did the calender start with 1 was it after his death or before.. if it was before 2000 yrs would be fulfilled in 2033 if it was after his death the calender started the times were fulfilled already in 2000
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2006 19:11:02 GMT -5
To Lloydipawin (where does that name come from?) Regards WI and his 7thAd involvement. Sorry but I can't help you.
Re: Jesus' birth. His birth date is simply not known. There are various theories. Just looked up my Oxford Bible Dictionary and it states that Herod the Great died in 4 BC. At this time Jesus was in Egypt, (possibly Alexandria.)
Re: interpretations. The bible is quite clear on this matter. Firstly, Jesus left us the Example, ie what did Jesus do? what would Jesus do in my situation? In learning and loving Him these questions become easier to understand. Secondly, Jesus gave his Spirit - he stated this spirit would enter in His people, and be their guide.
Re BC and BCE. I angered a JW once when I noted his church text using the term "BCE" and "ADE." These terms has come popular so as not to offend atheists, Muslims and Jews. Since there is no Christ, so the reasoning goes, we can dispense with BC and AD.
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Post by lloydnipawin on Jul 26, 2006 20:31:32 GMT -5
To Lloydipawin (where does that name come from?) Regards WI and his 7thAd involvement. Sorry but I can't help you. Re: Jesus' birth. His birth date is simply not known. There are various theories. Just looked up my Oxford Bible Dictionary and it states that Herod the Great died in 4 BC. At this time Jesus was in Egypt, (possibly Alexandria.) Re: interpretations. The bible is quite clear on this matter. Firstly, Jesus left us the Example, ie what did Jesus do? what would Jesus do in my situation? In learning and loving Him these questions become easier to understand. Secondly, Jesus gave his Spirit - he stated this spirit would enter in His people, and be their guide. Re BC and BCE. I angered a JW once when I noted his church text use of the term BCE. This term has come into use so as not to offend atheists, Muslims and Jews. Since there is no Christ, so the reasoning goes, we can dispense with BC and AD. Listen to this David Legge 2x2 clip titled "cooneyites"there it will mention that william Irvine had some seventh-day adventism affairs? www.preachtheword.com/sermon/cults12.shtml
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2006 20:36:00 GMT -5
Hi. I don't follow this William Irvine guy. I did read "that" book years ago, but have never revisited it. I don't agree with most of his ideas; he seemed a little odd to me.
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Post by lloydnipawin on Jul 26, 2006 20:42:16 GMT -5
Hi. I don't follow this William Irvine guy. I did read "that" book years ago, but have never revisited it. I don't agree with most of his ideas; he seemed a little odd to me. Bert in order to check things out you need to know what your leader william irvine stood for you need to understand what the 2x2s are wrapped up in such has doctrine
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