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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 2, 2018 2:32:08 GMT -5
Yes, of course. My point is that God himself wrote nothing. But all literature is inspired, some by people's spiritual experiences, and the rest by any number of other sources. So what we refer to as scripture is indeed one of the genres of literature. Exo_24:12 And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them. Exo_31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God. Ah, -then did "god" "write" all the other multitude of the different sacred books, -like the Vedas?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 5:48:14 GMT -5
Exo_24:12 And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them. Exo_31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God. Ah, -then did "god" "write" all the other multitude of the different sacred books, -like the Vedas? there is no indication of that...the verses quoted speak of the stone tablets...
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Post by nathan on Sept 2, 2018 8:09:18 GMT -5
Ah, -then did "god" "write" all the other multitude of the different sacred books, -like the Vedas? there is no indication of that...the verses quoted speak of the stone tablets... God also spoke to Moses, the prophets, priests, kings and people in an audible voice with instructions, to write the Old testament laws. In the New Testament Jesus/God incarnated in the person Jesus, he didn't write any instruction down on paper but it was his apostles and disciples wrote down what he had taught to them.
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Post by Lee on Sept 2, 2018 8:26:11 GMT -5
The authors defer to God as the inspiration of their writings. Unless God doesn't exist, it can't be said categorically that God did not inspire those writings. As far as literature goes, the writings are properly distinguished from other literature. Yes, of course. My point is that God himself wrote nothing. But all literature is inspired, some by people's spiritual experiences, and the rest by any number of other sources. So what we refer to as scripture is indeed one of the genres of literature. I could not personally say that God himself wrote nothing. He could tell me something he inspired you to say or write to me. Then it would be most correct to say God did write something.
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Post by snow on Sept 2, 2018 13:49:38 GMT -5
Yes, of course. My point is that God himself wrote nothing. But all literature is inspired, some by people's spiritual experiences, and the rest by any number of other sources. So what we refer to as scripture is indeed one of the genres of literature. Exo_24:12 And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them. Exo_31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God. Imagine how upset God must have been when Moses promptly took them down the mountain and dropped them!
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 2, 2018 14:21:07 GMT -5
Yes, of course. My point is that God himself wrote nothing. But all literature is inspired, some by people's spiritual experiences, and the rest by any number of other sources. So what we refer to as scripture is indeed one of the genres of literature. I could not personally say that God himself wrote nothing. He could tell me something he inspired you to say or write to me. Then it would be most correct to say God did write something. But I don't fancy being either priest or prophet.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 15:13:45 GMT -5
I could not personally say that God himself wrote nothing. He could tell me something he inspired you to say or write to me. Then it would be most correct to say God did write something. But I don't fancy being either priest or prophet. 1 peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 2, 2018 15:21:50 GMT -5
But I don't fancy being either priest or prophet. 1 peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. That was Peter. I'll speak for myself.
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Post by nathan on Sept 2, 2018 19:51:16 GMT -5
Exo_24:12 And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them. Exo_31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God. Imagine how upset God must have been when Moses promptly took them down the mountain and dropped them! God was NOT pleased with Moses one bit, for throwing down the two tablets of stone, which God wrote with His finger. Moses got VERY upset after he came down from the MT. receiving the 10 commandments. He was so ANGRY at the children of Israel for bowing down to the golden calf. God KNEW Moses needed anger management classes so he needed to Make two new tablets so God could write with His finger again!
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Post by magpie1 on Sept 2, 2018 20:33:21 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 20:59:24 GMT -5
a lot of bitterness in those comments under this video...not surprised....
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Post by Lee on Sept 2, 2018 21:22:24 GMT -5
I could not personally say that God himself wrote nothing. He could tell me something he inspired you to say or write to me. Then it would be most correct to say God did write something. But I don't fancy being either priest or prophet. It's fine to be modest but to feign naivety isnt helpful. Death and life are in the power of the tongue, and they that love it shall eat the fruit there of.
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Post by magpie1 on Sept 2, 2018 21:46:53 GMT -5
Wally, The theme is and always has been,ask to explain/or quote a verse you get cut off. "NO NO NO NO I am not here to argue",the debate is not in a 2x2s vocabulary,that of course is a theological weakness,isn't it. Boys at Jesus last year at his Hebrew school majored on debate
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 2, 2018 21:47:46 GMT -5
Ah, -then did "god" "write" all the other multitude of the different sacred books, -like the Vedas? there is no indication of that...the verses quoted speak of the stone tablets... What do you think the Rigveda was written on in 1500 – 1100 BCE
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 22:56:28 GMT -5
there is no indication of that...the verses quoted speak of the stone tablets... What do you think the Rigveda was written on in 1500 – 1100 BCEprobably clay tablets....
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 2, 2018 23:29:57 GMT -5
What do you think the Rigveda was written on in 1500 – 1100 BCE probably clay tablets.... You are probably right.
Do you think that "god" wrote them using his finger as he was supposed to have done with the ten commandments he gave Moses? Ex 31:18
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 2, 2018 23:43:14 GMT -5
But I don't fancy being either priest or prophet. It's fine to be modest but to feign naivety isnt helpful. Death and life are in the power of the tongue, and they that love it shall eat the fruit there of. You may be right. I'm on record as advising no one how to live their lives.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 3, 2018 0:43:42 GMT -5
Yes, of course. My point is that God himself wrote nothing. But all literature is inspired, some by people's spiritual experiences, and the rest by any number of other sources. So what we refer to as scripture is indeed one of the genres of literature. I could not personally say that God himself wrote nothing. He could tell me something he inspired you to say or write to me.
Then it would be most correct to say God did write something. Do you think that is what "god" did to William Irvine?
That "god" inspired Wm. Irvine to say or write something ?
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Post by magpie1 on Sept 3, 2018 0:58:27 GMT -5
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Post by Lee on Sept 3, 2018 11:34:06 GMT -5
It's fine to be modest but to feign naivety isnt helpful. Death and life are in the power of the tongue, and they that love it shall eat the fruit there of. You may be right. I'm on record as advising no one how to live their lives. In the case of some workers and other community members...elders, your book could be regarded as a case study of how not to live or behave. Thanks for your contribution.
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Post by Lee on Sept 3, 2018 12:10:16 GMT -5
I could not personally say that God himself wrote nothing. He could tell me something he inspired you to say or write to me.
Then it would be most correct to say God did write something. Do you think that is what "god" did to William Irvine?
That "god" inspired Wm. Irvine to say or write something ?Sure. As with the rest of us, he was an imperfect filter, prophet, or interpreter of God, or of a nature we should aspire to. The workers who ousted him were worse, denying his role in their history in order to promote the new 'them'. You don't conflate facts and myth (a story relating eternal truths) without repercussions in the modern, polity and governance-saving world.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 14:46:20 GMT -5
Here is how God himself explained to Moses how his words would be spoken by Jesus. Deuteronomy 18.18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. It seems pretty clear to me that Jesus was a human being, just like Moses. This is based upon the testimony of the greatest witness this world has ever seen, ie the Lord God himself. Who would dare to make God a liar?
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Post by snow on Sept 3, 2018 15:01:40 GMT -5
But Jesus never wrote a thing either. Everything we know of is people saying what he supposedly said.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 15:08:22 GMT -5
But Jesus never wrote a thing either. Everything we know of is people saying what he supposedly said. He wrote on sand once!
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Post by snow on Sept 3, 2018 15:09:53 GMT -5
But Jesus never wrote a thing either. Everything we know of is people saying what he supposedly said. He wrote on sand once! Did he? What did he write?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 15:11:46 GMT -5
Here is how God himself explained to Moses how his words would be spoken by Jesus. Deuteronomy 18.18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. It seems pretty clear to me that Jesus was a human being, just like Moses. This is based upon the testimony of the greatest witness this world has ever seen, ie the Lord God himself. Who would dare to make God a liar? Of course, Jesus was a human being just like Moses - but with one important difference. He was the last Adam - completely perfect in every sense - but in addition to Adam He was a life-giving Spirit (1 Cor 15). Only God can give life. God made it very clear on the mount that Jesus (Matthew 17) shone like the sun and His clothes became as white as the light. Quite different to Moses and Elijah who spoke with Him on that day. Jesus was the promised Messiah - the LORD's Christ. Can't disagree with that Ross, unless we differ on how Jesus became the life giving spirit. It was Jesus's humanity that was like Moses.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 15:15:27 GMT -5
Did he? What did he write? He wrote twice in fact. Writing on sand it wouldn't have been much, but it was sufficient to convict the accusers in a kangaroo court. Possibly reminding them of the things they had forgotten in judging a case such as Faith, good judgement and mercy, things that were obviously missing from the trial?
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Post by snow on Sept 3, 2018 15:18:45 GMT -5
Did he? What did he write? He wrote twice in fact. Writing on sand it wouldn't have been much, but it was sufficient to convict the accusers in a kangaroo court. Possibly reminding them of the things they had forgotten in judging a case such as Faith, good judgement and mercy, things that were obviously missing from the trial? Okay, but what did he write, two times.
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