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Post by friend on Jun 29, 2018 3:45:32 GMT -5
You take a national historical account , and try to reinterpret it in classic humanistic ignorance?
Reinterpretation doesn’t change historical events , even as far as you can try to believe your reinterpretation! Sorry you can’t have it both ways
You either believe God helped them, or you don’t No need for disrespecting history, unless you Know something we don’t
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Post by friend on Jun 29, 2018 3:53:44 GMT -5
Interesting that the historical account of Haman trying to destroy the Hebrews , was acknowledged by the Nazi war criminal during the trials in which the “10 sons of Haman were rehung” ? ? , this was Confessed by the Nazi as he was about to be hung for his part in an immoral ideology
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Post by friend on Jun 29, 2018 4:04:27 GMT -5
It’s a demonstration of the “relevancy “ Of Old Testament morality that has survived In and through the people that God chose to help, and historical accounts are needed to help us understand things we didn’t have the need to be trying to change. Ok , why persecute people for letting God help them win wars? It won’t do you “good “
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 29, 2018 4:38:23 GMT -5
It’s a demonstration of the “relevancy “ Of Old Testament morality that has survived In and through the people that God chose to help, and historical accounts are needed to help us understand things we didn’t have the need to be trying to change. Ok , why persecute people for letting God help them win wars? It won’t do you “good “ "friend" I don't believe the bible is anything other than a history book full of fairy tales. As for morals it sure has a lot of things that are immoral in it ! So once again we don't need religion or the bible to have morals !
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Post by Roselyn T on Jun 29, 2018 4:41:38 GMT -5
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Post by friend on Jun 29, 2018 4:55:38 GMT -5
It’s a demonstration of the “relevancy “ Of Old Testament morality that has survived In and through the people that God chose to help, and historical accounts are needed to help us understand things we didn’t have the need to be trying to change. Ok , why persecute people for letting God help them win wars? It won’t do you “good “ "friend" I don't believe the bible is anything other than a history book full of fairy tales. As for morals it sure has a lot of things that are immoral in it ! So once again we don't need religion or the bible to have morals ! If only Hitler understood the relavancy of Purim. He could have averted a repeat of Hebrew history (no fairy’s tale involved) And yet you put “faith” in the amalakites history? Strange priorities 😉
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Post by snow on Jun 29, 2018 11:28:26 GMT -5
If that is your “theory” , please explain why God gave the 10 commandments to the Hebrew people at Mt Sinai ? must of seen a need for a rulebook why not answer the questions like a good girl would ?! Thanks! ✌️ Knowing how lacking in morality the Hebrew people were, they likely did need a rule book. The Golden Rule has been around for a very long time. You do realize that a lot of the OT comes from an earlier civilizations stories don't you? When the Hebrews were in exile in Babylon they wrote a lot of what we now find in the OT and it resembles older stories like the Epic of Gilgamesh. Their creation story, their flood story are just a few of the examples of what they took from other civilizations and made it part of their 'story'.
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Post by snow on Jun 29, 2018 11:31:08 GMT -5
No. Roselyn didn't need the bible, and NO, none of us do.
If the bible is the only reason that you treat others with equality, with kindness, -as you would want to be treated; -then there must be something missing in you. neither did you come up with "your morals"... I'm not so sure about that. The Golden rule has been around a lot longer than the Bible or the OT for that matter. And, if you follow the OT you are going to be lacking in good moral thinking imo. Humans have developed all the morals we see through trial and error. They have had about a million years to come up with what makes for a stronger community and works best to survive.
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Post by snow on Jun 29, 2018 11:33:06 GMT -5
So are you saying it is morally right for God to kill women and children @wally ? God is the law giver Why don’t kids give spankings to their parents ? Because they are smaller and less powerful. I'm sure if they could they'd be spanking their parents from time to time too, and with good reason most of the time. Just because someone may have more power, doesn't make them right or moral.
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Post by snow on Jun 29, 2018 11:34:30 GMT -5
So are you saying it is morally right for God to kill women and children @wally ? God did right concerning the amelakites they got what they deserved... That makes me feel sick inside. When has it ever been right to kill everything that walks. Babies, animals, everything that wasn't a virgin girl. It's wrong no matter who does it.
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Post by snow on Jun 29, 2018 11:37:16 GMT -5
I would say this is a classic example dmmichgood ! Seems @wally knows who deserves to be killed ! It’s classic “axis of evil” , wars fought for land rights In this case God helps His people, if you lived in that time, would you fight God , too? You won’t win, even if you think He shouldn’t take sides, that’s the whole point you don’t think He took sides, do you? If there is a God of everything, then we are all his people. Not just some obscure tribe in the Middle East. That's what's so wrong with religion. Everyone wants to be 'special' in the eyes of some being no one even has evidence exists in the first place.
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Post by snow on Jun 29, 2018 11:38:46 GMT -5
"friend" I don't believe the bible is anything other than a history book full of fairy tales. As for morals it sure has a lot of things that are immoral in it ! So once again we don't need religion or the bible to have morals ! If only Hitler understood the relavancy of Purim. He could have averted a repeat of Hebrew history (no fairy’s tale involved) And yet you put “faith” in the amalakites history? Strange priorities 😉 The Amalakites were no different than the Hebrews. They just had land the Hebrews wanted. End of story.
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Post by friend on Jun 29, 2018 12:37:11 GMT -5
not so fast, the Hebrew (and specifically the descendants of Jacob (aka : Israel) were hated and despised by the amalakites Purim is a historical holiday that Hebrew celebrate their deliverance from Haman and amalakites by Queen Esther and Mordecai .
They were in captivity at the time and were threatened with being annihilated, and Haman thought he could, But devine intervention saved the Hebrew, and they Celebrate the Purim every year about the first week in March.
Interesting history.
It isn’t a fable , do you have any questions about Nazi hanging of people that also wanted to kill Hebrews ? It is historically recorded that some that were hung were aware that their hanging was due to the guilt of the amalakites over 2500 years ago, and for the same crimes against the children of Jacob.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2018 12:43:23 GMT -5
your in denial as usual...history and fact tell a different story about "your morals" origins... Tell me something, wally. When you go to meetings & conventions how much do you hear about "moralistic" matters like how to treat other people?
give some examples.
love your neighbor as yourself gets preached all the time....where you been?
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Post by friend on Jun 29, 2018 13:09:44 GMT -5
It’s classic “axis of evil” , wars fought for land rights In this case God helps His people, if you lived in that time, would you fight God , too? You won’t win, even if you think He shouldn’t take sides, that’s the whole point you don’t think He took sides, do you? If there is a God of everything, then we are all his people. Not just some obscure tribe in the Middle East. That's what's so wrong with religion. Everyone wants to be 'special' in the eyes of some being no one even has evidence exists in the first place. also, it seems that Samson made a big mistake in wanting his parents to allow him to marry a heathen (Delilah?). talk about getting into a hateful relationship, poor Samson, he thought he could trust her with his secrets, but alas, she had worse plans for her husband 😢. ( in other words, poor Samson was the victim) .
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Post by friend on Jun 29, 2018 13:41:17 GMT -5
the Hebrew people had very kind regulations about how they were to treat the “strangers” that lived in their land of occupancy
They were centuries more civilized in these issues, and should be rightly recognized in what they practiced, Not criticisized because they trust in t their Creator.
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Post by snow on Jun 29, 2018 13:58:20 GMT -5
the Hebrew people had very kind regulations about how they were to treat the “strangers” that lived in their land of occupancy They were centuries more civilized in these issues, and should be rightly recognized in what they practiced, Not criticisized because they trust in t their Creator. . Yes, and the outcome with the Amelikites is a good example of just how loving they were to their neighbors that had land they wanted.
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Post by friend on Jun 29, 2018 14:10:06 GMT -5
so then we can confess that we were created ( because we have a consciousness that proclaims that we exist. ( logic) the Hebrew Bible teaches : we are created in Our creators image.
God said that “ it is good”. We agree, because we also understand the value of the consciousness that we were created to occupy.
It is vain to argue that our consciousness is not good,
Unless you would prefer to be “unconscious”, and that Is a paradox, because every human is designed to depend on things to sustain life, and we all are very determined to survive in spite the contrarians. Hmmmm
Well isn’t consciousness a wonderful existence , without it we would surely not exist to consider our alternative. 😉
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Post by friend on Jun 29, 2018 14:12:21 GMT -5
the Hebrew people had very kind regulations about how they were to treat the “strangers” that lived in their land of occupancy They were centuries more civilized in these issues, and should be rightly recognized in what they practiced, Not criticisized because they trust in t their Creator. . Yes, and the outcome with the Amelikites is a good example of just how loving they were to their neighbors that had land they wanted. You defend the sins of the amalakites ‘? maybe Samson understands what your defense leads to?
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Post by friend on Jun 29, 2018 14:17:32 GMT -5
the Hebrew people had very kind regulations about how they were to treat the “strangers” that lived in their land of occupancy They were centuries more civilized in these issues, and should be rightly recognized in what they practiced, Not criticisized because they trust in t their Creator. . Yes, and the outcome with the Amelikites is a good example of just how loving they were to their neighbors that had land they wanted. Have you lived peacefully with people like Haman that are trying to destroy you. I really think your argument in defense of amalakites is about enabling your enemy to destroy you, and that makes absolutely no sense to anyone.
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Post by friend on Jun 29, 2018 14:20:40 GMT -5
there is no “missing link” , man descended from man
End of story. Consciousness is a gift from our Creator
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Post by friend on Jun 29, 2018 14:24:06 GMT -5
There are people in jail today , because they were part of a plan to kill someone, We call that Justice!
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Post by friend on Jun 29, 2018 14:33:49 GMT -5
There are people in jail today , because they were part of a plan to kill someone, We call that Justice! It doesn’t mean that we didn’t try to get along with them! We did try
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 29, 2018 16:12:16 GMT -5
It’s classic “axis of evil” , wars fought for land rights In this case God helps His people, if you lived in that time, would you fight God , too? You won’t win, even if you think He shouldn’t take sides, that’s the whole point you don’t think He took sides, do you? Of course HE (god) didn't take sides!
Because "GOD" didn't exist!
Don't you realize by now that is the only way that it could have happened?
If there actually was a "god" involved, -then there is absolutely NO way anyone can twist that event into anything even close to being a moral stance to take!
Killing all the children & women, except virgins?
Come on! You can keep on trying 'til doomsday to get that to make any moral sense, -but it simply does not wash!
In order for anyone to say that would be morally acceptable only indicates their own lack of morality!
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Post by friend on Jun 29, 2018 16:19:51 GMT -5
It’s classic “axis of evil” , wars fought for land rights In this case God helps His people, if you lived in that time, would you fight God , too? You won’t win, even if you think He shouldn’t take sides, that’s the whole point you don’t think He took sides, do you? It’s classic “axis of evil” , wars fought for land rights In this case God helps His people, if you lived in that time, would you fight God , too? You won’t win, even if you think He shouldn’t take sides, that’s the whole point you don’t think He took sides, do you? Of course HE (god) didn't take sides!
Because "GOD" didn't exist!
Don't you realize by now that is the only way that it could have happened?
If there actually was a "god" involved, -then there is absolutely NO way anyone can twist that event into anything even close to being a moral stance to take!
Killing all the children & women, except virgins?
Come on! You can keep on trying to get that to make any moral sense, -but it simply does not wash!
I’m not into conjugated fake history about Gods chosen Hebrew, sorry, the Purim and the holocaust are only too real and trajic to deny. And those goofy deniers are definitely dillusioned ! Sad to say
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 29, 2018 16:39:11 GMT -5
Of course HE (god) didn't take sides!
Because "GOD" didn't exist!
Don't you realize by now that is the only way that it could have happened?
If there actually was a "god" involved, -then there is absolutely NO way anyone can twist that event into anything even close to being a moral stance to take!
Killing all the children & women, except virgins?
Come on! You can keep on trying to get that to make any moral sense, -but it simply does not wash!
I’m not into conjugated fake history about Gods chosen Hebrew, sorry, the Purim and the holocaust are only too real and trajic to deny. And those goofy deniers are definitely dillusioned ! Sad to say Whose is denying that the "holocaust" took place?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2018 16:42:37 GMT -5
I’m not into conjugated fake history about Gods chosen Hebrew, sorry, the Purim and the holocaust are only too real and trajic to deny. And those goofy deniers are definitely dillusioned ! Sad to say Whose is denying that the "holocaust" took place?its seems to be resurfacing in europe maybe not yet in america...
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Post by snow on Jun 29, 2018 17:12:37 GMT -5
Yes, and the outcome with the Amelikites is a good example of just how loving they were to their neighbors that had land they wanted. You defend the sins of the amalakites ‘? maybe Samson understands what your defense leads to? You are defending the Hebrews for what they did. You try to justify genocide because your god ordered it. But there is no justification for their actions even though they would like to say their God ordered it. Why would you worship a god that thinks genocide is justified?
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