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Post by thelight on Jun 20, 2018 22:21:55 GMT -5
After reading this article earlier this morning & feeling absolutely appalled at that situation all over again.. one particular piece of information has struck a chord with me. "The siblings, who range in age from 2 to 29, knew little about the outside world". www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/judge-hears-teens-911-call-in-abused-siblings-case-my-two-little-sisters-right-now-are-chained-up/ar-AAyVsvL?li=AAgfYrC&ocid=mailsignoutI am interested to hear others thoughts (possibly more aimed at ex's) regarding children being disadvantaged being raised in the truth. I can recall feeling embarrassed & like an outcast during high school when a class discussion was raised about pop culture relating to current television shows - everyone was expected to write up a quick review to share with the class. Pretty difficult to do when you do not own a television.... (this is just one example from a whole childhood/adolescence of being made feel this way) Personally I can see how I (& others) was not properly prepared for the "real world" & was raised in a very sheltered environment. Trying to learn, adjust & adapt to fit in is difficult & I have seen it cause mental health issues for so many people once they have left. How many others have experienced this?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 22:26:33 GMT -5
i just told my teacher i didn't own a TV and he gave me a different assignment...no drama needed...as far as a i can tell MOST professing kids grow up and move on to good things...
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 21, 2018 2:16:07 GMT -5
After reading this article earlier this morning & feeling absolutely appalled at that situation all over again.. one particular piece of information has struck a chord with me. "The siblings, who range in age from 2 to 29, knew little about the outside world". www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/judge-hears-teens-911-call-in-abused-siblings-case-my-two-little-sisters-right-now-are-chained-up/ar-AAyVsvL?li=AAgfYrC&ocid=mailsignoutI am interested to hear others thoughts (possibly more aimed at ex's) regarding children being disadvantaged being raised in the truth. I can recall feeling embarrassed & like an outcast during high school when a class discussion was raised about pop culture relating to current television shows - everyone was expected to write up a quick review to share with the class. Pretty difficult to do when you do not own a television.... (this is just one example from a whole childhood/adolescence of being made feel this way) Personally I can see how I (& others) was not properly prepared for the "real world" & was raised in a very sheltered environment. Trying to learn, adjust & adapt to fit in is difficult & I have seen it cause mental health issues for so many people once they have left. How many others have experienced this? I did also.
I really believe that it retarded my ability to learn the social rules skills that would have helped me in my work later in life.
It is the very time of your growing up years that you learn those skills.
Neither does it help one's self esteem to be constantly feeling embarrassed & like an outcast.
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Post by Notsure? on Jun 21, 2018 3:43:39 GMT -5
A do when you do not own a television.... (this is just one example from a whole childhood/adolescence of being made feel this way) Personally I can see how I (& others) was not properly prepared for the "real world" & was raised in a very sheltered environment. Trying to learn, adjust & adapt to fit in is difficult & I have seen it cause mental health issues for so many people once they have left. How many others have experienced this? At the end of the day, I would choose my parents over 99% of my friends parents, even if they May have also had a few flaws . Hey, we all do? Parenting isn’t easy, even with a perfect rule book 😉
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 21, 2018 3:57:06 GMT -5
A do when you do not own a television.... (this is just one example from a whole childhood/adolescence of being made feel this way) Personally I can see how I (& others) was not properly prepared for the "real world" & was raised in a very sheltered environment. Trying to learn, adjust & adapt to fit in is difficult & I have seen it cause mental health issues for so many people once they have left. How many others have experienced this? At the end of the day, I would choose my parents over 99% of my friends parents, even if they May have also had a few flaws . Hey, we all do? Parenting isn’t easy, even with a perfect rule book 😉 but this isn't about parenting, it is about being raised in the 2x2's under the strict rules of that group
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Post by Notsure? on Jun 21, 2018 8:55:27 GMT -5
We must of missed those unwritten memos ?
We were taught the same as the Hebrews and tried to follow the 10 commandments, aw, but we tried! 😉
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 21, 2018 13:09:19 GMT -5
At the end of the day, I would choose my parents over 99% of my friends parents, even if they May have also had a few flaws . Hey, we all do? Parenting isn’t easy, even with a perfect rule book 😉 but this isn't about parenting, it is about being raised in the 2x2's under the strict rules of that group And I'd take my own parents ahead of 99% of all other professing parents as well.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 21, 2018 13:10:43 GMT -5
Yes. All children are disadvantaged. They are "minors", and are subject to any or all minority restrictions.
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Post by Amsure! on Jun 21, 2018 14:09:33 GMT -5
Yes. All children are disadvantaged. They are "minors", and are subject to any or all minority restrictions. Well, IMO, some minors are more equal(?) than others, and some are likely greatly advantaged by their parents . Most parents do try hard, .... they might not know if their effort begins prospering later ... Good subject.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 21, 2018 14:19:47 GMT -5
Yes. All children are disadvantaged. They are "minors", and are subject to any or all minority restrictions. Well, IMO, some minors are more equal(?) than others, and some are likely greatly advantaged by their parents . Most parents do try hard, .... they might not know if their effort begins prospering later ... Good subject. Of course. Wise people compensate for the disadvantages of minorities. Because too many minorities (children, etc.) are bullied because of their disadvantages, wise governments also compensate for the disadvantages of minorities … to create equity (as opposed to equality).
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Post by Notsure? on Jun 21, 2018 14:38:06 GMT -5
Ok, it appears we need a mutually understood description of a “disadvantagement” (?)
Likely it would revolve around the contentment of the peoples involved in the social setting?
Ex; person 1 asks to receive an allowance/welfare,
(Is this going to become an advantage , or will it be perceived a disadvantage when they find out what others receive? )
Hmmmmm, 🤷♂️
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Post by snow on Jun 21, 2018 14:58:23 GMT -5
After reading this article earlier this morning & feeling absolutely appalled at that situation all over again.. one particular piece of information has struck a chord with me. "The siblings, who range in age from 2 to 29, knew little about the outside world". www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/judge-hears-teens-911-call-in-abused-siblings-case-my-two-little-sisters-right-now-are-chained-up/ar-AAyVsvL?li=AAgfYrC&ocid=mailsignoutI am interested to hear others thoughts (possibly more aimed at ex's) regarding children being disadvantaged being raised in the truth. I can recall feeling embarrassed & like an outcast during high school when a class discussion was raised about pop culture relating to current television shows - everyone was expected to write up a quick review to share with the class. Pretty difficult to do when you do not own a television.... (this is just one example from a whole childhood/adolescence of being made feel this way) Personally I can see how I (& others) was not properly prepared for the "real world" & was raised in a very sheltered environment. Trying to learn, adjust & adapt to fit in is difficult & I have seen it cause mental health issues for so many people once they have left. How many others have experienced this? Well like most things in life there are pros and cons to just about anything. I too hated the feelings of being an outcast, and I've carried that into my adult life and still struggle with feeling like I don't fit in anywhere. But there are many things I value about the group too. So it's complicated and not just easily defined just how much damage was caused by the strict restrictions of the group and what was unique to the parents you had. I have heard about other's childhoods around the same time as mine and they were allowed to participate in team sports and other 'worldly' things that I was not allowed to do. So it wasn't all about the groups ideas on things or the rigid strict environment workers liked to ask members to abide by, but also what your parents were like. I was told by other friends that my dad was even more strict than most of the other members in the F&W's. So my situation was unique to me I suppose because of my father while others might have had a much better experience with their parents.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 21, 2018 15:04:47 GMT -5
Ok, it appears we need a mutually understood description of a “disadvantagement” (?) Likely it would revolve around the contentment of the peoples involved in the social setting? Ex; person 1 asks to receive an allowance/welfare, (Is this going to become an advantage , or will it be perceived a disadvantage when they find out what others receive? ) Hmmmmm, 🤷♂️ I think what you're trying to do is reserve the privilege to justify ignoring disadvantages that you feel aren't worthy of consideration.
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Post by Notsure? on Jun 21, 2018 15:16:02 GMT -5
Ok, it appears we need a mutually understood description of a “disadvantagement” (?) Likely it would revolve around the contentment of the peoples involved in the social setting? Ex; person 1 asks to receive an allowance/welfare, (Is this going to become an advantage , or will it be perceived a disadvantage when they find out what others receive? ) Hmmmmm, 🤷♂️ I think what you're trying to do is reserve the privilege to justify ignoring disadvantages that you feel aren't worthy of consideration. . As opposed to whose opinion? 🙂 If you define me as disadvantaged, do I have more rights than the advantaged? This is not an easy definition, by any stretch , IMO What if I’m on a self imposed “fast” (or diet). ?? Do I get governmental sympathy for a self improvement coarse. (I sure Ned it!) but that’s another day. 🤦🏻♂️
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Post by Notsure? on Jun 21, 2018 15:31:03 GMT -5
Let’s propose a voluntary self assessment, (perhaps by default, it already exists)..
Then we ask those that are self discribed “disadvantaged”, what could be done to equate/quit their situation.
Is this something that would be progressive, and help people to help themselves by self examination?
Just a thought. 🤷♂️
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 21, 2018 17:34:26 GMT -5
I think what you're trying to do is reserve the privilege to justify ignoring disadvantages that you feel aren't worthy of consideration. . As opposed to whose opinion? 🙂 As opposed to your own definition of disadvantage, whatever that is. The rest of your post tells me maybe you don't understand the definition of disadvantage. Absolutely not. All you deserve is equitable protection of your rights. It's a matter of how articulate one is. That's not a disadvantage, it's a right. It's a protest, most often in an effort to have some ignored disadvantage addressed. A need for self improvement is not a disadvantage. A handicap is a disadvantage.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jun 21, 2018 17:36:00 GMT -5
Let’s propose a voluntary self assessment, (perhaps by default, it already exists).. Then we ask those that are self discribed “disadvantaged”, what could be done to equate/quit their situation. Is this something that would be progressive, and help people to help themselves by self examination? Just a thought. 🤷♂️ Sounds like a ploy to make disadvantaged people responsible for their disadvantage.
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Post by Notsure? on Jun 21, 2018 17:51:44 GMT -5
Any questions can be considered an obstacle, IMO
I know many people that have physical disadvantages (challenged)
but are well able to remain fully employed and emotionally healthy.
No excuses, unless an excuse is required.
Just my thoughts, not to be mistaken for misjudging a disadvantaged citizen.
It’s still worth exploring the way we deal with our personal advantages/ or lack thereof
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Post by Notsure? on Jun 21, 2018 18:00:02 GMT -5
Ok, someone doesn’t have a satellite tv?
Look at the advantages, they save a ton of enrollment fees and subscribing costs.
They have time to devote to issues that appeal to them
They aren’t hoodwinked into buying things they got hoodwinked into thinking they need?
And they list of advantages , far outnumber the small trivial disadvantage?
JMT.
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Post by howitis on Jun 21, 2018 18:13:33 GMT -5
Disadvantages are perceived differently by different people: As far as the TV thing goes, my brother felt it very badly that we didn't have a T.V. on the other hand I loved books and was quite happy reading and can well remember as a child, being very disappointed after watching a movie of a book I'd read and found the movie missed out so much, changed other things. We can sometimes make a conclusion that another person is disadvantaged when that person doesn't feel or have any knowledge that they are....therefore "disadvantages" could well be just a theory of ones own perception...and then....is it a perception of another's situation or our own? Is that perception based on our personal experience or situation? What are we comparing it to? As in the OP are we now adults looking back at our own childhood? Or as adults looking on to children today? Or is it as we were children then looking as a child then? So many variables! I was once asked to complete a survey using a scale of 1-10 on my personal experience with telecommunications in the area I lived, the service wasn't real great there, but I asked the question with what was I comparing it to? To capital cities that had great service and availability for connections or to some places in our country that had no service at all....all a matter of perspective isn't it?
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Post by Notsure? on Jun 21, 2018 18:28:39 GMT -5
but this isn't about parenting, it is about being raised in the 2x2's under the strict rules of that groupRespectfully, this is about parenting. Nor do I agree that the Bible is "a perfect rule book", (parenting-wise) which I assume is what @notsure? meant. No matter what I hear in meeting from a F or W, if it is wrong, I as a parent, have the responsibility to say such to my children. I don't care what edict or rule gets put out there, God also gave me a brain and the job of a parent to raise as well adjusted child as I can who can think for themselves. Maybe I misconstrued what you were trying to say. To the OP, as for being raised in this group. This goes back to parenting; if the parents aren't well adjusted balanced individuals, the kids won't be either. About the worst I was when I reached adulthood was a bit socially retarded, judgey, introverted (because I couldn't connect with regular people my age). But this could also be blamed on growing up in a rural fly-over state. Interesting post. Perhaps people that are sensitive to other peoples ideas and values, feel out of place when their ideas and values are differing?? Just because you are unique should not make you feel out of place. I have been to a few “celebrations” , where sober guests were feeling “ out of place” , when in fact they Were , IMO, very very pleasant to visit Sometimes the majority isn’t in the best informed? And yet we find people that are swayed by public opinion, and social peer pressure, it’s not always easy
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Post by thelight on Jun 21, 2018 19:06:36 GMT -5
Thank you for everyone responses. Snow you have hit the nail on the head with the feelings of being an outcast, lack of social skills & fitting in.
I think as being raised in a strict minority group with some outdated beliefs, it really is a challenge once a child starts to realise how different they are to the majority of their peers at school. It continues on into the workforce - how one has been raised may not easily fit in well with the expectations of "outsiders".
It has always been a case of putting on an act in order to fit in & that is not good for a teenager trying to figure out who they are & how they fit into the world.
I think the parenting factor is obviously going to be individual. Some professing parents are going to understand what the "real world" entails & prepare their children for that, while others are super strict and there is only black & white with what will be adhered to & if you choose not to adhere then obviously you will be going to hell.
I have seen so many people around my age that have left completely rebel & this is what leads them into drinking, drugs, sex etc. It's because of the confusion of what the real world involves, they have not been given the skills to cope with it.
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Post by Notsure? on Jun 21, 2018 19:57:55 GMT -5
Interesting thoughts, it might describe the feelings of the “prodigal son”. Honest reflection of our feelings will help us to overcome . Perfect love casteth out our greatest fears and ignorances! IMO.
Keep true to your conscious
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 21, 2018 21:56:05 GMT -5
but this isn't about parenting, it is about being raised in the 2x2's under the strict rules of that groupRespectfully, this is about parenting. Nor do I agree that the Bible is "a perfect rule book", (parenting-wise) which I assume is what @notsure? meant. No matter what I hear in meeting from a F or W, if it is wrong, I as a parent, have the responsibility to say such to my children. I don't care what edict or rule gets put out there, God also gave me a brain and the job of a parent to raise as well adjusted child as I can who can think for themselves. Maybe I misconstrued what you were trying to say. To the OP, as for being raised in this group. This goes back to parenting; if the parents aren't well adjusted balanced individuals, the kids won't be either. About the worst I was when I reached adulthood was a bit socially retarded, judgey, introverted (because I couldn't connect with regular people my age). But this could also be blamed on growing up in a rural fly-over state. Respectfully, -it iS NOT about parenting. The person who created this thread question to us was " regarding children being disadvantaged being raised in the truth." <quote> I am interested to hear others thoughts (possibly more aimed at ex's) regarding children being disadvantaged being raised in the truth. I can recall feeling embarrassed & like an outcast during high school when a class discussion was raised about pop culture relating to current television shows - everyone was expected to write up a quick review to share with the class. Pretty difficult to do when you do not own a television.... (this is just one example from a whole childhood/adolescence of being made feel this way) Personally I can see how I (& others) was not properly prepared for the "real world" & was raised in a very sheltered environment. Trying to learn, adjust & adapt to fit in is difficult & I have seen it cause mental health issues for so many people once they have left. How many others have experienced this?
The thread is about being raised in the Truth
As to you ignoring what a Friend or Worker said, - would you tell them you didn't care what edict or rule they had about TV?
Maybe you would if you are young and professing NOW, -but at the time I was going to High School you'd been chucked out of the church before you had time to finish you statement.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 21, 2018 22:04:13 GMT -5
Respectfully, this is about parenting. Nor do I agree that the Bible is "a perfect rule book", (parenting-wise) which I assume is what @notsure? meant. No matter what I hear in meeting from a F or W, if it is wrong, I as a parent, have the responsibility to say such to my children. I don't care what edict or rule gets put out there, God also gave me a brain and the job of a parent to raise as well adjusted child as I can who can think for themselves. Maybe I misconstrued what you were trying to say. To the OP, as for being raised in this group. This goes back to parenting; if the parents aren't well adjusted balanced individuals, the kids won't be either. About the worst I was when I reached adulthood was a bit socially retarded, judgey, introverted (because I couldn't connect with regular people my age). But this could also be blamed on growing up in a rural fly-over state. Interesting post. Perhaps people that are sensitive to other peoples ideas and values, feel out of place when their ideas and values are differing?? Just because you are unique should not make you feel out of place. I have been to a few “celebrations” , where sober guests were feeling “ out of place” , when in fact they Were , IMO, very very pleasant to visit Sometimes the majority isn’t in the best informed? And yet we find people that are swayed by public opinion, and social peer pressure, it’s not always easy Notsure, - why don't you be honest and post under ONE name instead of hopping all over the place in & out of different threads using different persona's?
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Post by Notsure? on Jun 21, 2018 22:10:05 GMT -5
Interesting post. Perhaps people that are sensitive to other peoples ideas and values, feel out of place when their ideas and values are differing?? Just because you are unique should not make you feel out of place. I have been to a few “celebrations” , where sober guests were feeling “ out of place” , when in fact they Were , IMO, very very pleasant to visit Sometimes the majority isn’t in the best informed? And yet we find people that are swayed by public opinion, and social peer pressure, it’s not always easy Notsure, - why don't you be honest and post under ONE name instead of hopping all over the place in & out of different threads using different persona's?
I’m not sure? But thanks for asking! 😉
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Post by Notsure? on Jun 21, 2018 22:23:31 GMT -5
Isn’t that a normal part of maturing, growing? When we realize there is a big world out there, and lots of people with lots of ideas.
If you aren’t sure that your ideas have any merit? , take courage, it may be that “Daniel “ doesn’t need to stand alone?
Best wishes, “all things will work together for good..”
just ignore those pesky “doubters” that seem to be so DOMINATING !! 😉
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Post by Notsure? on Jun 21, 2018 22:23:45 GMT -5
Isn’t that a normal part of maturing, growing? When we realize there is a big world out there, and lots of people with lots of ideas.
If you aren’t sure that your ideas have any merit? , take courage, it may be that “Daniel “ doesn’t need to stand alone?
Best wishes, “all things will work together for good..”
just ignore those pesky “doubters” that seem to be so DOMINATING !! 😉
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