Bigbiddy
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Post by Bigbiddy on Apr 6, 2018 8:04:00 GMT -5
Wrong Ross. I have not been to a meeting for over 30 years. I struggle to understand much that I read here and why people,who no longer attend meetings, give so much advice and criticism to the friends. I believe that basically most friends are good people who have deep faith and do try to be responsible people in the life. Yes, you said the same thing a year ago under another pseudonym ie that you hadn’t been to a meeting for 30 years ... but under that pseudonym it was clear from your posts that you were professing. Ross, I don’t want to argue with you but I do not profess and can not understand why you are so certain that I do profess I do not and believe that I never will. I have no faith that God exists but I do respect those that do believe. Take it as given I DO NOT ATTEND MEETINGS.
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Post by LITTLEPADDY on May 22, 2018 13:37:53 GMT -5
Did anybody hear who the New Chief is? Have heard a rumour that "something" would be referred to John Gunn, so it seemed he was taking on Graham's role
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Post by kenco69 on May 27, 2018 12:23:03 GMT -5
Did anybody hear who the New Chief is? Have heard a rumour that "something" would be referred to John Gunn, so it seemed he was taking on Graham's role Heard someone overheard that a worker from the British Isles, that is working on the continent was to take GS place. So that would make sense.
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Post by Prayers on May 4, 2023 2:47:33 GMT -5
Many people get confused about what "take charge", "sort problems", or "helping out" really means within the 2x2s. It does not mean actually resolving issues or implementing reform. It involves silencing dissent and getting people to retract their complaints. Here's a sermon from Mr. Snow that reveals how he operates: Having just seen their child suffer the agony of being a CSA victim (for example), parents are presented with a binary choice: Either seek justice and see your children depart from the one true church and be further tortured eternally in hell by the all-loving god Or "keep your place", keep your mouth shut, and maybe your children might have a chance to "finish true". The message may be delivered by a very charismatic leader, but I would encourage people to try and separate the actual message from the personality. Think about how Snow's message would plot on this Influence Continuum. That would be one of the most disgusting sermons I have ever heard. And I have heard a few disgusting ones. This is how so-called brainwash operates.
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Post by openingact34 on May 4, 2023 7:30:18 GMT -5
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Post by fixit on May 17, 2023 23:28:36 GMT -5
Here's a sermon from Mr. Snow that reveals how he operates: A number of years ago, a couple became offended, a couple in the family of God. They felt, "It's just not right, what's happening. What's being said is unjust." They became offended. They were hurt. They said, "We're not coming anymore." They didn't come for a couple of years. She said, "I want justice! This matter has got to be put right. I want justice and when justice is meted out, then we'll come back to the meetings." You know that's just completely wrong to want justice. If our Lord Jesus had prayed, "I want justice!" in the garden, He would never have gone to the cross. Would never have died and shed His blood for our sins. We are here today, and we enjoy salvation because He was willing to suffer injustice, suffer wrongly. He wasn't offended. He wasn't hurt. He went to the cross. Just to mention quickly, the story back there. That couple, when they went out, when they left the meetings, offended and hurt, they took with them two teenage children. Today those parents are grandparents. They came back, but those children and grandchildren are still outside. The young were destroyed, the eggs, the young in the nest. It doesn't pay to wander from our place, but to keep our place. www.trutharchive.net/graham-snow---don-t-give-upRather than victim-blaming it would be better to work on eliminating the offenses. Jesus didn't want his Ekklēsia to go around crucifying one another to prove they can endure offenses. John 13:34 So now I am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other. 35 Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples. Matthew 18:1 About that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who is greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven?” 2 Jesus called a little child to him and put the child among them. 3 Then he said, “I tell you the truth, unless you turn from your sins and become like little children, you will never get into the Kingdom of Heaven. 4 So anyone who becomes as humble as this little child is the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven. 5 “And anyone who welcomes a little child like this on my behalf is welcoming me. 6 But if you cause one of these little ones who trusts in me to fall into sin, it would be better for you to have a large millstone tied around your neck and be drowned in the depths of the sea.
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Post by openingact34 on May 19, 2023 18:31:38 GMT -5
Here's a sermon from Mr. Snow that reveals how he operates: A number of years ago, a couple became offended, a couple in the family of God. They felt, "It's just not right, what's happening. What's being said is unjust." They became offended. They were hurt. They said, "We're not coming anymore." They didn't come for a couple of years. She said, "I want justice! This matter has got to be put right. I want justice and when justice is meted out, then we'll come back to the meetings." You know that's just completely wrong to want justice. If our Lord Jesus had prayed, "I want justice!" in the garden, He would never have gone to the cross. Would never have died and shed His blood for our sins. We are here today, and we enjoy salvation because He was willing to suffer injustice, suffer wrongly. He wasn't offended. He wasn't hurt. He went to the cross. Just to mention quickly, the story back there. That couple, when they went out, when they left the meetings, offended and hurt, they took with them two teenage children. Today those parents are grandparents. They came back, but those children and grandchildren are still outside. The young were destroyed, the eggs, the young in the nest. It doesn't pay to wander from our place, but to keep our place. www.trutharchive.net/graham-snow---don-t-give-upRather than victim-blaming it would be better to work on eliminating the offenses. Jesus didn't want his Ekklēsia to go around crucifying one another to prove they can endure offenses. John 13:34 So now I am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other. 35 Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples. Matthew 18:1 About that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who is greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven?” 2 Jesus called a little child to him and put the child among them. 3 Then he said, “I tell you the truth, unless you turn from your sins and become like little children, you will never get into the Kingdom of Heaven. 4 So anyone who becomes as humble as this little child is the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven. 5 “And anyone who welcomes a little child like this on my behalf is welcoming me. 6 But if you cause one of these little ones who trusts in me to fall into sin, it would be better for you to have a large millstone tied around your neck and be drowned in the depths of the sea. Somebody needs to tell Jesus about the gospel of grace and get him to read Chuck Swindle's book. He is preaching a false doctrine of works-based salvation.
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Post by fixit on May 19, 2023 19:09:48 GMT -5
Rather than victim-blaming it would be better to work on eliminating the offenses. Jesus didn't want his Ekklēsia to go around crucifying one another to prove they can endure offenses. John 13:34 So now I am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other. 35 Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples. Matthew 18:1 About that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who is greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven?” 2 Jesus called a little child to him and put the child among them. 3 Then he said, “I tell you the truth, unless you turn from your sins and become like little children, you will never get into the Kingdom of Heaven. 4 So anyone who becomes as humble as this little child is the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven. 5 “And anyone who welcomes a little child like this on my behalf is welcoming me. 6 But if you cause one of these little ones who trusts in me to fall into sin, it would be better for you to have a large millstone tied around your neck and be drowned in the depths of the sea. Somebody needs to tell Jesus about the gospel of grace and get him to read Chuck Swindle's book. He is preaching a false doctrine of works-based salvation. Jesus would be thrown out of a lot of churches today, including the 2x2s.
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Post by Pragmatic on May 20, 2023 5:36:01 GMT -5
That would be one of the most disgusting sermons I have ever heard. And I have heard a few disgusting ones. This is how so-called brainwash operates. When I think this sort of stuff is going to be preached, I don't see why I should waste my time going to listen to it, and I have got up and left too.
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Post by janj on Jun 20, 2023 18:08:25 GMT -5
Just wondering how you know his sermon relates to CSA? ?
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Post by janj on Jun 21, 2023 1:54:03 GMT -5
There is evidence in NZ that many years ago Willie Phyn, the head worker and Walter Franks conspired to remove out of the country, a step ahead of the police who were looking for him, a young male worker who was meeting rent boys at a public toilet in Auckland. Snow would not have been in the work at the time but this is common enough knowledge that he will have known about it. If the sick are looking after the sick there is not much chance of improvement. How many years ago was this curly- maybe 50? To go back that far and judge a situation you only heard about involving people no longer alive to answer for themselves is desperate and stooping pretty low. We have had a thread on here re the Kansas situation and there have been several contradicting reports and that is a current event. I don't know about the men in your story but has it ever occurred to you that some of the tales you are repeating might not be right. Somehow I don't think that would worry you too much. Interesting! Here is a post by with my name on it which was not written or posted by me!! How does that happen??
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Post by Grant on Jun 21, 2023 2:46:28 GMT -5
How many years ago was this curly- maybe 50? To go back that far and judge a situation you only heard about involving people no longer alive to answer for themselves is desperate and stooping pretty low. We have had a thread on here re the Kansas situation and there have been several contradicting reports and that is a current event. I don't know about the men in your story but has it ever occurred to you that some of the tales you are repeating might not be right. Somehow I don't think that would worry you too much. Interesting! Here is a post by with my name on it which was not written or posted by me!! How does that happen?? Not sure why except it can happen if someone has more than one account / name and forgets to change names and posts thinking they are using one of their other names. Only you know if you've got more than one account. Could also be the way someone has quoted a post and a previous poster's post has been quoted against the wrong person who had posted, if that makes sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2023 3:14:01 GMT -5
How many years ago was this curly- maybe 50? To go back that far and judge a situation you only heard about involving people no longer alive to answer for themselves is desperate and stooping pretty low. We have had a thread on here re the Kansas situation and there have been several contradicting reports and that is a current event. I don't know about the men in your story but has it ever occurred to you that some of the tales you are repeating might not be right. Somehow I don't think that would worry you too much. Interesting! Here is a post by with my name on it which was not written or posted by me!! How does that happen?? Proboards bug....happens from time to time...
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Post by janj on Jun 21, 2023 5:48:35 GMT -5
Interesting! Here is a post by with my name on it which was not written or posted by me!! How does that happen?? Not sure why except it can happen if someone has more than one account / name and forgets to change names and posts thinking they are using one of their other names. Only you know if you've got more than one account. Could also be the way someone has quoted a post and a previous poster's post has been quoted against the wrong person who had posted, if that makes sense. No, only 1 account. Anyway not a biggie but interesting.
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Post by snow on Jun 21, 2023 15:36:24 GMT -5
Not sure why except it can happen if someone has more than one account / name and forgets to change names and posts thinking they are using one of their other names. Only you know if you've got more than one account. Could also be the way someone has quoted a post and a previous poster's post has been quoted against the wrong person who had posted, if that makes sense. No, only 1 account. Anyway not a biggie but interesting. You do realize that your name is on the post back from 2018. It was your response to curly in 2018. So are you sure you never posted it?
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Post by janj on Jun 22, 2023 0:51:56 GMT -5
No, only 1 account. Anyway not a biggie but interesting. You do realize that your name is on the post back from 2018. It was your response to curly in 2018. So are you sure you never posted it? Ha ha, well yes in case possibly.I just never thought that anyone would go back that far and quote something I said 5 years ago. Anyway, as I said- not a biggie, just a bit random.Thanks
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Post by snow on Jun 22, 2023 12:08:04 GMT -5
You do realize that your name is on the post back from 2018. It was your response to curly in 2018. So are you sure you never posted it? Ha ha, well yes in case possibly.I just never thought that anyone would go back that far and quote something I said 5 years ago. Anyway, as I said- not a biggie, just a bit random.Thanks As far as I can tell Curly did quote you back in 2018 but the only one that quoted it in 2023 was you wondering why it was posted in your name. So that's probably what happened and it's okay. All good.
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Post by themaninthemirror on Jul 5, 2023 5:44:59 GMT -5
Seems Mr Graham Snow has given up and gone from WA to New Zealand. Surely this is big news, you don't often get the most senior worker stepping down in old age to get married....
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Post by kenco69 on Jul 5, 2023 16:55:26 GMT -5
Seems Mr Graham Snow has given up and gone from WA to New Zealand. Surely this is big news, you don't often get the most senior worker stepping down in old age to get married.... Hadn't heard that Graham had stepped down and left the work When did he leave the work and is he married yet I take it everything was above board and that he left of his own accord due to falling in love Is She a former worker or one of the friends How old is Graham now
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