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Post by Get off of TMB on Feb 4, 2018 12:25:59 GMT -5
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Post by Get off of TMB on Feb 4, 2018 12:28:11 GMT -5
I think the founder of the Salvation Army wrote this meeting hymn.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Feb 5, 2018 20:55:51 GMT -5
Why was "sinful and black" removed from the hymn? ??
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Post by stevnz on Feb 10, 2018 22:34:58 GMT -5
From sites.google.com/site/hymnsoldandnew/ I John 1:7 Author: Herbert H Booth 1842-1926 Salvation Army Fifth child of Salvation Army founders William and Catherine Booth, Herbert attended Allesley Park College and the Congregational Institute, Nottingham, England. In the early 1880's, he was active in SA work in France, and wrote some of his early songs in French. In 1883, he helped found the SA musical department at Clapton. He went on to direct SA work in England, Canada, and Australia. Around 1902, he went on extensive lecture tours in America, South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand. In Hymns Old & New "Sinful and black" changed to "Sinful and dark" Original verse 2 not included in Hymns Old & New and some other hymnals (Redemption Songs; Songs of Love and Praise No. 4 (1897)): 2 From all the sins over which I have wept, Cleansing for me. Far, far away, by the Blood current swept, Cleansing for me. Jesus, Thy promise I dare to believe, And as I come Thou dost now receive, That over sin I may never more grieve, Cleansing for me. See also hymnary.org/text/lord_through_the_blood_of_the_lambwww.abc.net.au/limelight/docs/bios/3_1_1.htm www.cyberhymnal.org/bio/b/o/o/booth_hh.htmhymnary.org/person/Booth_Herbert
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Post by Get off of TMB on Feb 11, 2018 12:36:06 GMT -5
I used to think that fearing to speak, sing or pray was talking about not "taking part in meeting".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 22:24:58 GMT -5
I used to think that fearing to speak, sing or pray was talking about not "taking part in meeting". Although I think I understood correctly the main meaning of not fearing to speak sing or pray, that is, to profess freely, gladly, openly your faith and belief (Daniel and the lions den, the 3 men and the fiery furnace were inspiring examples) There came a time when I maybe felt like you did, that it applied to meeting. At one point I developed terrible, terrible stage fright. I shook and trembled so bad, especially testimonies, that I'm surprised I got up over and over again anyway. There was once a lady in our meeting who was even worse. Her legs would uncontrollably get going such that I don't know how she kept her bible on her lap. Looking back I am inspired that she took her part anyway, time after time, painful as it was to watch, or for her to do. But for me, the thing that bothered me about my own problems, is that I realized what I had to say, and the belief I had in it, was less powerful than my stage fright. That probably was true. I value that revelation. It helped me realize the truth of the parable of the shallow roots and the deep roots, and that I had some issues that were being pointed out to me, and some choices to make.
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Post by christiansburg on Feb 14, 2018 11:03:56 GMT -5
Why was "sinful and black" removed from the hymn? ?? Don't know unless it had racially suggestive.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Feb 17, 2018 14:17:59 GMT -5
I would say you are correct. I remember Sherman Farrar requesting this hymn. He mentioned being at a convention where the youngest children there were singing this hymn. It is a catchy tune... "Long Long Ago" was the original song that first used this tune.
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Post by xna on Feb 17, 2018 19:51:46 GMT -5
How cleansing and guilt works
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Post by Get off of TMB on Feb 18, 2018 19:09:15 GMT -5
At one point I developed terrible, terrible stage fright. I shook and trembled so bad, especially testimonies, that I'm surprised I got up over and over again anyway. There was once a lady in our meeting who was even worse. Her legs would uncontrollably get going such that I don't know how she kept her bible on her lap. @@@@@ I think we start fearing as a child how others (especially senior brother workers) will approve of our testimonies. The friends in my area haven't stood up during testimony time for decades.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 19:11:35 GMT -5
At one point I developed terrible, terrible stage fright. I shook and trembled so bad, especially testimonies, that I'm surprised I got up over and over again anyway. There was once a lady in our meeting who was even worse. Her legs would uncontrollably get going such that I don't know how she kept her bible on her lap. @@@@@ I think we start fearing as a child how others (especially senior brother workers) will approve of our testimonies. The friends in my area haven't stood up during testimony time for decades. if they don't stand up what do they do just sit there and look at each other?
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Post by snow on Feb 18, 2018 19:23:41 GMT -5
A lot of the older people in our meetings didn't stand to make their testimony.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Feb 18, 2018 19:35:06 GMT -5
Around 1990, people started sitting down when giving their testimonies. Nobody ever stood up in my meeting after that. Even the children spoke while sitting down.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 19:35:50 GMT -5
A lot of the older people in our meetings didn't stand to make their testimony. oh didn't think of it in that way, good point....
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