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Post by friend on Jan 30, 2018 12:52:44 GMT -5
If it’s fatal, it don’t matter if they wish to call it whatever else, imo
(I think mortal sin refers to eternal punishment, Where “fatal” means you get flayed right now, even if God doesn’t consider it even a flaw , or a sin , )
Oh, i am not kind to a lot of this catholic dogma stuff.
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Post by rational on Jan 30, 2018 13:18:59 GMT -5
If it’s fatal, it don’t matter if they wish to call it whatever else, imo (I think mortal sin refers to eternal punishment, Where “fatal” means you get flayed right now, even if God doesn’t consider it even a flaw , or a sin , ) Oh, i am not kind to a lot of this catholic dogma stuff. Your understanding of it seems limited and flawed. There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. This principle is, contempt prior to examination.William Paley (probably)
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Post by friend on Jan 30, 2018 13:36:15 GMT -5
If it’s fatal, it don’t matter if they wish to call it whatever else, imo (I think mortal sin refers to eternal punishment, Where “fatal” means you get flayed right now, even if God doesn’t consider it even a flaw , or a sin , ) Oh, i am not kind to a lot of this catholic dogma stuff. Your understanding of it seems limited and flawed. There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. This principle is, contempt prior to examination.William Paley (probably)that’s your opinion , Enjoy it!
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Post by friend on Jan 30, 2018 13:44:08 GMT -5
most RC doctrine is extremely incomprehensible, IMO.
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Post by rational on Jan 30, 2018 14:07:02 GMT -5
most RC doctrine is extremely incomprehensible, IMO. Aw True of most subjects with which one is unfamiliar. It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. Aristotle
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Post by friend on Jan 30, 2018 14:26:26 GMT -5
most RC doctrine is extremely incomprehensible, IMO. Aw True of most subjects with which one is unfamiliar. It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. AristotleAMEN !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 2:35:22 GMT -5
You mentioned that the Book of Nathan didn't make it..too many Norse Gods?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 2:38:45 GMT -5
If it’s fatal, it don’t matter if they wish to call it whatever else, imo (I think mortal sin refers to eternal punishment, Where “fatal” means you get flayed right now, even if God doesn’t consider it even a flaw , or a sin , ) Oh, i am not kind to a lot of this catholic dogma stuff. Your understanding of it seems limited and flawed. There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. This principle is, contempt prior to examination.William Paley (probably)William Paley was an idiot. Who cares what rubbish comes forth from him? I'll have to look him up - never heard of him.
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Post by snow on Jan 31, 2018 13:31:28 GMT -5
I find it interesting that some Christians believe the bible must be read 'exactly' as it's written and others are okay with adding to it (books left out) and others recommend reading it in a different sequence for it to make better sense and flow. I happen to agree that the sequence change does make it flow better but if the bible can't be messed with how can doing things like this be right? Of course that's happened from the beginning when certain Jewish laws weren't adhered to for gentiles. I guess I look at it as some of the literalist/inerrant Christians do. If we don't accept the bible exactly as it's written then none of it is correct and that's just not a possibility in their minds. If an all knowing entity is the author of the bible in it's entirety, you'd think that it would make sense without the additions, the various interpretations and different sequencing. How do Christians that do add and change and reinterpret the bible justify these actions and how do they trust that it really is the word of God? I would think that if it's not complete or needs to be revised somewhat to make sense, that it really shouldn't be trusted at all. Biblical apologists are very plentiful and you've got to wonder why if the bible is clear. And, if it's written by an all knowing god, it should be clear, shouldn't it?
However, I do find reading the books that got left out, interesting. It gives us some insight into the beliefs of the earliest Christians (NT) and what the RCC didn't believe when they left them out of the OT and the NT.
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Post by friend on Jan 31, 2018 13:41:04 GMT -5
Your understanding of it seems limited and flawed. There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. This principle is, contempt prior to examination.William Paley (probably)William Paley was an idiot. Who cares what rubbish comes forth from him? I'll have to look him up - never heard of him. ok, just don’t call his many virtues by the name of “ rubbish”. 😉
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Post by friend on Jan 31, 2018 13:46:22 GMT -5
I find it interesting that some Christians believe the bible must be read 'exactly' as it's written and others are okay with adding to it (books left out) and others recommend reading it in a different sequence for it to make better sense and flow. I happen to agree that the sequence change does make it flow better but if the bible can't be messed with how can doing things like this be right? Of course that's happened from the beginning when certain Jewish laws weren't adhered to for gentiles. I guess I look at it as some of the literalist/inerrant Christians do. If we don't accept the bible exactly as it's written then none of it is correct and that's just not a possibility in their minds. If an all knowing entity is the author of the bible in it's entirety, you'd think that it would make sense without the additions, the various interpretations and different sequencing. How do Christians that do add and change and reinterpret the bible justify these actions and how do they trust that it really is the word of God? I would think that if it's not complete or needs to be revised somewhat to make sense, that it really shouldn't be trusted at all. Biblical apologists are very plentiful and you've got to wonder why if the bible is clear. And, if it's written by an all knowing god, it should be clear, shouldn't it? However, I do find reading the books that got left out, interesting. It gives us some insight into the beliefs of the earliest Christians (NT) and what the RCC didn't believe when they left them out of the OT and the NT. and i find it interesting that you find it interesting? after all every human mind has a unique DNA, so wouldn’t it follow that we think differently, too variety is the spice of life. What does seem to me a miracle , is when people have more of the same thoughts about these subjects? Eh
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Post by snow on Jan 31, 2018 13:49:04 GMT -5
I find it interesting that some Christians believe the bible must be read 'exactly' as it's written and others are okay with adding to it (books left out) and others recommend reading it in a different sequence for it to make better sense and flow. I happen to agree that the sequence change does make it flow better but if the bible can't be messed with how can doing things like this be right? Of course that's happened from the beginning when certain Jewish laws weren't adhered to for gentiles. I guess I look at it as some of the literalist/inerrant Christians do. If we don't accept the bible exactly as it's written then none of it is correct and that's just not a possibility in their minds. If an all knowing entity is the author of the bible in it's entirety, you'd think that it would make sense without the additions, the various interpretations and different sequencing. How do Christians that do add and change and reinterpret the bible justify these actions and how do they trust that it really is the word of God? I would think that if it's not complete or needs to be revised somewhat to make sense, that it really shouldn't be trusted at all. Biblical apologists are very plentiful and you've got to wonder why if the bible is clear. And, if it's written by an all knowing god, it should be clear, shouldn't it? However, I do find reading the books that got left out, interesting. It gives us some insight into the beliefs of the earliest Christians (NT) and what the RCC didn't believe when they left them out of the OT and the NT. and i find it interesting that you find it interesting? after all every human mind has a unique DNA, so wouldn’t it follow that we think differently, too variety is the spice of life. What does seem to me a miracle , is when people have more of the same thoughts about these subjects? Eh Good point. Yes we are all different and think differently to some degree. But when it comes to the bible, aren't all Christians supposed to be of 'one mind' about what's written there? Most believe God had something to do with the writing of it, either literally or at least inspired. So why would everyone try to reinterpret, add to etc. if they truly thought it was written or inspired by an all knowing God that they say they believe in and worship?
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Post by Grant on Jan 31, 2018 14:05:42 GMT -5
Because we are not designed to be puppets. The fringe differences are human differences but there is much in common due to the large number of protestants who have much in common.
Different churches show our individuality and I have no problem with that. I could meet with and agree with the majority of Christians in my city. We are of one mind in the essentials of faith.
It's only those individual groups who believe they have it right and everyone else has got it wrong which I would not want to be part of.
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Post by snow on Jan 31, 2018 14:24:54 GMT -5
Because we are not designed to be puppets. The fringe differences are human differences but there is much in common due to the large number of protestants who have much in common. Different churches show our individuality and I have no problem with that. I could meet with and agree with the majority of Christians in my city. We are of one mind in the essentials of faith. It's only those individual groups who believe they have it right and everyone else has got it wrong which I would not want to be part of. Yes, I understand that and I agree with it for the most part. But I'm not talking about people's differences, but about the inerrant aspect of the bible as it is written. Some say they would believe that 2 + 2 = 5 if it was in the bible and others try to interpret the bible, add to or take from a book that is supposed to be from God. That's more what I'm talking about.
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Post by friend on Jan 31, 2018 14:25:35 GMT -5
and i find it interesting that you find it interesting? after all every human mind has a unique DNA, so wouldn’t it follow that we think differently, too variety is the spice of life. What does seem to me a miracle , is when people have more of the same thoughts about these subjects? Eh Good point. Yes we are all different and think differently to some degree. But when it comes to the bible, aren't all Christians supposed to be of 'one mind' about what's written there? Most believe God had something to do with the writing of it, either literally or at least inspired. So why would everyone try to reinterpret, add to etc. if they truly thought it was written or inspired by an all knowing God that they say they believe in and worship? sure there are politics in every group, and we want to have fellowship with those of common belief, somehow these common beliefs go through the shifting process, and the tests of mathematical congruency wins! (** being “in line” with the spirit of {that which we have proven and Believe}. ) It’s kinda like that old saying “ you have to experience it to understand it “. it is very hard for me to explain some of my thoughts. And being harmonious is someplace in this experience, also.. sometimes lifted up, other times brought low , just like a hymn, hmmm
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Post by friend on Jan 31, 2018 14:30:20 GMT -5
how can we “ be in time” if we can’t carry a tune? lol
just kidding
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Post by snow on Jan 31, 2018 14:39:02 GMT -5
Good point. Yes we are all different and think differently to some degree. But when it comes to the bible, aren't all Christians supposed to be of 'one mind' about what's written there? Most believe God had something to do with the writing of it, either literally or at least inspired. So why would everyone try to reinterpret, add to etc. if they truly thought it was written or inspired by an all knowing God that they say they believe in and worship? sure there are politics in every group, and we want to have fellowship with those of common belief, somehow these common beliefs go through the shifting process, and the tests of mathematical congruency wins! (** being “in line” with the spirit of {that which we have proven and Believe}. ) It’s kinda like that old saying “ you have to experience it to understand it “. it is very hard for me to explain some of my thoughts. And being harmonious is someplace in this experience, also.. sometimes lifted up, other times brought low , just like a hymn, hmmm I'm not really understanding your answer. Are you saying it's a social thing? That what matters is to be with like minded people and have a feeling of uplifting and what they believe about the bible or how they interpret it doesn't matter? It says in the bible that you should add to it. I just want to know how people feel about adding to it, taking away from it, reinterpreting it etc. when it explicitly says don't do that. I guess I'm not doing a good job at clearly saying what I want to understand.
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Post by friend on Jan 31, 2018 15:03:16 GMT -5
Good point. Yes we are all different and think differently to some degree. But when it comes to the bible, aren't all Christians supposed to be of 'one mind' about what's written there? Most believe God had something to do with the writing of it, either literally or at least inspired. So why would everyone try to reinterpret, add to etc. if they truly thought it was written or inspired by an all knowing God that they say they believe in and worship? sure there are politics in every group, and we want to have fellowship with those of common belief, somehow[b r]these common beliefs go through the shifting process, and the tests of mathematical congruency wins! (** being “in line” with the spirit of {that which we have proven and Believe}. ) [ ]It’s kinda like that old saying “ you have to experience it to understand it “. it is very hard for me to explain some of my thoughts. And being harmonious is someplace in this experience, also.. sometimes lifted up, other times brought low , just like a hymn, hmmm this is only my experience, everyone has a unique experience, and we get together once a year at Convention to have an inspection of our doubts? to get harmonized so to speak
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Post by friend on Jan 31, 2018 15:15:15 GMT -5
Like AE Smith-Wilder said in the video ( about our 5 senses) , we do have a 6th sense that is related to our brain, and about all that i can understand about it is it is almost like a miracle , and yet it happens often, enough that we rely on it to be true, ? you may have one also
true, being like minded is usually a rare rarity,
some people , if they are fortunate, do find a soul-mate,
and when they do, it’s a great discovery, even a quasi-soul-mate is a good find , in my opinion
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Post by rational on Feb 1, 2018 0:03:09 GMT -5
William Paley was an idiot. Who cares what rubbish comes forth from him? I'll have to look him up - never heard of him. ok, just don’t call his many virtues by the name of “ rubbish”. 😉
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Post by friend on Feb 1, 2018 6:07:47 GMT -5
some consider him to be the creator of the intelligent design thinktank.
i don’t know 🤷♂️
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Post by snow on Feb 6, 2018 14:39:36 GMT -5
some consider him to be the creator of the intelligent design thinktank. i don’t know 🤷♂️ Henry Morris is the father of creation science.
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Post by friend on Feb 6, 2018 16:11:13 GMT -5
some consider him to be the creator of the intelligent design thinktank. i don’t know 🤷♂️ Henry Morris is the father of creation science. hmmm, could we both be ?🤷♂️ If you google W Paley , he is given credit for the initiating of ID thinking And H Morris with Creation science hmmm how can we know for sure? Paley certainly was of an earlier era. though there was no immediate carrying on the torch of his ideas? 🤷♂️ I just repeated what I read on the web, sorry 😐
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Post by friend on Feb 6, 2018 16:19:14 GMT -5
ok, this is what I found: 1802 , W Paley was the first apologist , to put forth the reasoning of the “watchmaker” (designed) analysis.
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Post by friend on Mar 28, 2018 17:35:57 GMT -5
Was counting the genealogies from Adam to Abraham
It might be 20 I think, and then 14 generations to David the King of Israel .
Interesting chronology. (then came Solomon, the wisest
ever born to man/woman )
I understand that the Hebrew, especially the “tribe of Judah/Jew” Were meticulous genealogists?
And for very good reason! (see research)
It was public information up until the year (about 70 AD)
and then .... it was lost, at least the written and certified Records, why? , As I understand it to be, those records Were destroyed when and with the second destruction of the temple ...?
The Bible does a great service in keeping those 62 generations Chronilized , up until the Messiah was born (from tribe of Judah)
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Post by dmmichgood on Mar 28, 2018 19:37:22 GMT -5
Your understanding of it seems limited and flawed. There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. This principle is, contempt prior to examination.William Paley (probably)that’s your opinion , Enjoy it! Really? Just an opinion?
"This principle is, contempt prior to examination"
Then your opinion is that it is ok, -even wise & prudent, -to hold something in contempt without first examining it?
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Post by friend on Mar 28, 2018 22:43:15 GMT -5
If it’s fatal, it don’t matter if they wish to call it whatever else, imo (I think mortal sin refers to eternal punishment, Where “fatal” means you get flayed right now, even if God doesn’t consider it even a flaw , or a sin , ) Oh, i am not kind to a lot of this catholic dogma stuff. Your understanding of it seems limited and flawed.[ ] There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. This principle is, contempt prior to examination.[font size="1"] William Paley (probably)[/font] [/quote][ DM, Whose understanding is flawed anyways ? ? You gotta be joking right? 🤦♀️
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Post by friend on Mar 28, 2018 22:47:00 GMT -5
well, “it seems flawed “ , is an admission of opinion, eh?
However, DM, you also, are entitled to your opinion,
(If you know what I mean?).
Enjoy it!! 👍👏👏
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