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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 14, 2018 21:30:42 GMT -5
Thank you for that info. It reinforces my belief that the FRIENDS are rotten to the core with a veneer of shiny. I wouldnt go as far as tarring all members with the same brush, but in this instance the perp & wife did try to keep a sqeaky clean, good religious people image. He is smart, arrogant & confident & had so many people fooled of his true colours. I dont think it would be untrue to say that there would be many women out there who are feeling sick to the stomach having found out what he is. How else could you feel after knowing youve slept with "that". All during his marriage too might I add. From what I hear from other sources around NSW and QLD the guy had a reputation. I have heard from numerous sources about his shenanigans. That the friends chose to turn a blind eye, to pretend it did not happen and to not report to the police means one and all are tarred with the same brush. Anyone in the know failed their duty to the victims. I am forgetting of course that the Truth has a reputation to protect at all costs.
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Post by thelight on Apr 14, 2018 22:38:49 GMT -5
I wouldnt go as far as tarring all members with the same brush, but in this instance the perp & wife did try to keep a sqeaky clean, good religious people image. He is smart, arrogant & confident & had so many people fooled of his true colours. I dont think it would be untrue to say that there would be many women out there who are feeling sick to the stomach having found out what he is. How else could you feel after knowing youve slept with "that". All during his marriage too might I add. From what I hear from other sources around NSW and QLD the guy had a reputation. I have heard from numerous sources about his shenanigans. That the friends chose to turn a blind eye, to pretend it did not happen and to not report to the police means one and all are tarred with the same brush. Anyone in the know failed their duty to the victims. I am forgetting of course that the Truth has a reputation to protect at all costs. He was/is definitely gifted at talking to people. Some people are able to see through it immediately, unfortunately others are sucked right in & end up in bed with him. No doubt he had grooming little girls down to an art
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Post by rational on Apr 18, 2018 14:53:57 GMT -5
From what I hear from other sources around NSW and QLD the guy had a reputation. I have heard from numerous sources about his shenanigans. That the friends chose to turn a blind eye, to pretend it did not happen and to not report to the police means one and all are tarred with the same brush. Anyone in the know failed their duty to the victims. I am forgetting of course that the Truth has a reputation to protect at all costs. He was/is definitely gifted at talking to people. Some people are able to see through it immediately, unfortunately others are sucked right in & end up in bed with him. No doubt he had grooming little girls down to an art :'( What are the charges in this case?
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Post by thelight on Apr 18, 2018 17:54:34 GMT -5
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Post by howitis on Apr 18, 2018 18:25:33 GMT -5
I don't believe that this case has much to do with the '2x2' church in general....I think that most people within the church are appalled at this man's actions, his wife's and the lenient sentence. That being said, I cannot vouch for his claim of being abused as a youngster, what I do remember of him is that he was incredibly cruel to animals and other children and would not join in with playing a game, instead he would constantly disrupt it. His mother never allowed them to participate in sports of any sort.
I believe at one time his wife tried to separate from him, she was supported by many, but in the end obviously went back to him....one may never know why, however his bribing tactics are such that it could well be she has been threatened.
I know many of his relations both in and out of the church and all have said this man, even as a child displayed concerning behaviour, which has obviously continued into his adult life.
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Post by thelight on Apr 18, 2018 19:44:34 GMT -5
I believe at one time his wife tried to separate from him, she was supported by many, but in the end obviously went back to him....one may never know why, however his bribing tactics are such that it could well be she has been threatened. This is correct. From what I understand the 2x2's did play a role back when it all happened by helping to cover it all up. In my opinion that was just enabling him to continue to offend... which is exactly what his wife did too by not coming forward when she knew exactly what he was up to. Allowing him to continue to attend convention was just like offering him up a smorgasbord.
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Post by rational on Apr 18, 2018 21:09:35 GMT -5
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Post by howitis on Apr 18, 2018 21:16:38 GMT -5
I believe at one time his wife tried to separate from him, she was supported by many, but in the end obviously went back to him....one may never know why, however his bribing tactics are such that it could well be she has been threatened. This is correct. After he was arrested the first time, their (adult) children packed some of the wife's belongings & took her away while he was not at home. If that path was what she truly wanted, she would have been kept safe, he would not have been able to get to her. She lied about still being in contact with him & in the end it was her choice to go back. She chose the monster who molested her own daughter under her own roof & in front of her own eyes over seeing out her days with her children, watching them grow up & also watching her grandchildren grow up. She made that choice knowing that she would never have any kind of contact with her children/grandchildren ever again & she still chose him. From what I understand the 2x2's did play a role back when it all happened by helping to cover it all up. In my opinion that was just enabling him to continue to offend... which is exactly what his wife did too by not coming forward when she knew exactly what he was up to. Allowing him to continue to attend convention was just like offering him up a smorgasbord. There are always many factors in relationships that others don't always understand. Suppose this man threatened to take her life she may have well decided that living without contact with her children and grandchildren may be better than not living at all....sometimes people are tortured before death and the thought of that isn't very comforting. Perhaps she thinks she may one day be reunited with her children a nd grandchildren should she manage to outlive him.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 18, 2018 21:48:42 GMT -5
This is correct. After he was arrested the first time, their (adult) children packed some of the wife's belongings & took her away while he was not at home. If that path was what she truly wanted, she would have been kept safe, he would not have been able to get to her. She lied about still being in contact with him & in the end it was her choice to go back. She chose the monster who molested her own daughter under her own roof & in front of her own eyes over seeing out her days with her children, watching them grow up & also watching her grandchildren grow up. She made that choice knowing that she would never have any kind of contact with her children/grandchildren ever again & she still chose him. From what I understand the 2x2's did play a role back when it all happened by helping to cover it all up. In my opinion that was just enabling him to continue to offend... which is exactly what his wife did too by not coming forward when she knew exactly what he was up to. Allowing him to continue to attend convention was just like offering him up a smorgasbord. There are always many factors in relationships that others don't always understand. Suppose this man threatened to take her life she may have well decided that living without contact with her children and grandchildren may be better than not living at all....sometimes people are tortured before death and the thought of that isn't very comforting. Perhaps she thinks she may one day be reunited with her children a nd grandchildren should she manage to outlive him. Thank you, howitis, for your consideration of the wife.
No one knows her circumstances. Often times wives of men like that have been beaten into such submission they can no longer think for themselves.
They also often have married young and have no skills in the work place to earn their own living. She may NOT have felt safe and been afraid he would have been able to get to her.
To continue to live with her children might be disruptive.
Also if the friends "helped to cover it all up," -as was indicated, -she would know that she couldn't depend on them. ever again ! Without knowing all the circumstances it is better not to judge.
Luckily in many areas of the country we now have shelters for women and their children where they an escape until they can get on their feet.
BTW, guess who was instrumental in starting those shelters? It was we "feminists" that some people here on this board like to ridicule.
We set up "hot lines" where women could call and we could take them & their children to safe houses.
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 18, 2018 22:01:50 GMT -5
I believe at one time his wife tried to separate from him, she was supported by many, but in the end obviously went back to him....one may never know why, however his bribing tactics are such that it could well be she has been threatened. This is correct. After he was arrested the first time, their (adult) children packed some of the wife's belongings & took her away while he was not at home. If that path was what she truly wanted, she would have been kept safe, he would not have been able to get to her. She lied about still being in contact with him & in the end it was her choice to go back. She chose the monster who molested her own daughter under her own roof & in front of her own eyes over seeing out her days with her children, watching them grow up & also watching her grandchildren grow up. She made that choice knowing that she would never have any kind of contact with her children/grandchildren ever again & she still chose him. From what I understand the 2x2's did play a role back when it all happened by helping to cover it all up. In my opinion that was just enabling him to continue to offend... which is exactly what his wife did too by not coming forward when she knew exactly what he was up to. Allowing him to continue to attend convention was just like offering him up a smorgasbord. I agree with what thelight has said in regard to the 2x2 playing a role in this case, as I know for a fact that they did ! When a Worker was questioned as to why they were going to allow him to go to Convention when he was out on bail (before he was charged the first time) the reply was "if anyone needed Convention he did" no concern for the children at Convention !
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 18, 2018 22:05:43 GMT -5
This is correct. After he was arrested the first time, their (adult) children packed some of the wife's belongings & took her away while he was not at home. If that path was what she truly wanted, she would have been kept safe, he would not have been able to get to her. She lied about still being in contact with him & in the end it was her choice to go back. She chose the monster who molested her own daughter under her own roof & in front of her own eyes over seeing out her days with her children, watching them grow up & also watching her grandchildren grow up. She made that choice knowing that she would never have any kind of contact with her children/grandchildren ever again & she still chose him. From what I understand the 2x2's did play a role back when it all happened by helping to cover it all up. In my opinion that was just enabling him to continue to offend... which is exactly what his wife did too by not coming forward when she knew exactly what he was up to. Allowing him to continue to attend convention was just like offering him up a smorgasbord. There are always many factors in relationships that others don't always understand. Suppose this man threatened to take her life she may have well decided that living without contact with her children and grandchildren may be better than not living at all....sometimes people are tortured before death and the thought of that isn't very comforting. Perhaps she thinks she may one day be reunited with her children a nd grandchildren should she manage to outlive him. She had left and was safe and would have been safe where she was. As thelight has said she chose to go back to him and lied about still being in contact with him.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 18, 2018 22:18:19 GMT -5
There are always many factors in relationships that others don't always understand. Suppose this man threatened to take her life she may have well decided that living without contact with her children and grandchildren may be better than not living at all....sometimes people are tortured before death and the thought of that isn't very comforting. Perhaps she thinks she may one day be reunited with her children a nd grandchildren should she manage to outlive him. She had left and was safe and would have been safe where she was. As thelight has said she choose to go back to him and lied about still being in contact with him. A lot of people still do not realize what happens when a woman is treated in such a way as that.
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Post by howitis on Apr 18, 2018 22:23:14 GMT -5
She had left and was safe and would have been safe where she was. As thelight has said she choose to go back to him and lied about still being in contact with him. A lot of people still do not realize what happens when a woman is treated in such a way as that.It's an interesting comment 'she was safe where she was', and dangerous.....there would be far fewer abused women and murdered women if they had never believed those words......never underestimate the power of a monster!!!!
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 18, 2018 22:25:31 GMT -5
She had left and was safe and would have been safe where she was. As thelight has said she choose to go back to him and lied about still being in contact with him. A lot of people still do not realize what happens when a woman is treated in such a way as that.Yes dmmichgood, I understand. What I meant was that when it first all came out, she had got away and was safe. She chose to go back and support him knowing what he had done to their daughter.
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 18, 2018 22:30:52 GMT -5
A lot of people still do not realize what happens when a woman is treated in such a way as that. Yes dmmichgood , I understand. What I meant was that when it first all came out, she had got away and was safe. She chose to go back and support him knowing what he had done to their daughter. Well, since you know the case perhaps you are right, I just know what happens to so many women, esp. when they marry so young to a domineering man, -they don't even develope a personality of their own.
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 18, 2018 22:32:47 GMT -5
A lot of people still do not realize what happens when a woman is treated in such a way as that. It's an interesting comment 'she was safe where she was', and dangerous.....there would be far fewer abused women and murdered women if they had never believed those words......never underestimate the power of a monster!!!! So can I assume you know where she was howitis ? Having grown up witnessing domestic violence in my own family I am aware of what can happen to abused women, but I think we need to stay on track and think about their abused daughter and the girls that this latest case was about. I suppose we need to ask ourselves if we knew our daughter was being abused by our husband, what would we do ?
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Post by Roselyn T on Apr 18, 2018 22:37:53 GMT -5
Yes dmmichgood , I understand. What I meant was that when it first all came out, she had got away and was safe. She chose to go back and support him knowing what he had done to their daughter. Well, since you know the case perhaps you are right, I just know what happens to so many women, esp. when they marry so young to a domineering man, -they don't even develope a personality of their own.You are right, yes I know what happens to a women who is married to a domineering man ! I just don't get this women going back to him after she knew what he had done, but then there would have been pressure from other "sources" (2x2's) that she had to stay with him.
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Post by howitis on Apr 18, 2018 22:46:07 GMT -5
It's an interesting comment 'she was safe where she was', and dangerous.....there would be far fewer abused women and murdered women if they had never believed those words......never underestimate the power of a monster!!!! So can I assume you know where she was howitis ? Having grown up witnessing domestic violence in my own family I am aware of what can happen to abused women, but I think we need to stay on track and think about their abused daughter and the girls that this latest case was about. I suppose we need to ask ourselves if we knew our daughter was being abused by our husband, what would we do ? Yes we need to always examine our own actions and thoughts and also consider all parties in the situation. This man besides being capable of sexually assaulting young girls exhibited a violent side to many....No woman regardless of where she was would consider herself safe from him, to put it another way....I was never abused by him, nor was anyone in my family, thankfully, yet whenever I hear about him the hairs on the back of my neck stand up because of witnessing some of his actions.(I've said enough now....thanks all who care)
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Post by kittens on Apr 18, 2018 22:55:02 GMT -5
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Post by howitis on Apr 18, 2018 23:21:00 GMT -5
There is a comment above about "His mother would not allow him to participate in sports of any sort." We weren't allowed to participate in town sports as children because they were often played on Sunday. Nobody I know has turned out to be a monster because of it. Maybe he had medical reasons why he couldn't play?? I'm not condoning anything he did, though. Just trying to clarify a fact. Ok I'll continue, just to clarify this point...it wasn't town sports....even in the school playground at lunch time or recess, no games at all!! I'm not talking about a casual game of cricket or footy even, just fun games like tips or red rover, even sitting down games like marbles and drawing on the pavement with chalk!! No real reason I would think as he would tear around and other children down when it suited him....was awful ....a true bully....whuch quite assuredly remained into his adult years!!
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Post by thelight on Apr 18, 2018 23:45:39 GMT -5
There is no handbook on raising children however most parents do their upmost to protect their children.
With full knowledge of what he was & what he was doing she chose to stay - enabling her husband to continue to molest their daughter and other young girls in the neighborhood.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 23:45:55 GMT -5
She had left and was safe and would have been safe where she was. As thelight has said she choose to go back to him and lied about still being in contact with him. A lot of people still do not realize what happens when a woman is treated in such a way as that.my mother went back 3-4 times to my abusive/violent father all in the name of love...its from my observation that women get weird when they have an abusive mate....
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Post by howitis on Apr 18, 2018 23:55:19 GMT -5
A lot of people still do not realize what happens when a woman is treated in such a way as that. my mother went back 3-4 times to my abusive/violent father all in the name of love...its from my observation that women get weird when they have an abusive mate.... There's also the psychology behind accepting protection from those you feel guilty about not having been able to protect....let's just say it's complicated
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Post by thelight on Apr 18, 2018 23:55:45 GMT -5
A lot of people still do not realize what happens when a woman is treated in such a way as that. my mother went back 3-4 times to my abusive/violent father all in the name of love...its from my observation that women get weird when they have an abusive mate.... I know that times have changed & there would have been different expectations put on people/wives back then... but I cannot fathom HOW a woman can stay/keep going back to an abusive partner ESPECIALLY when there are children involved? How can one sleep at night knowing their child/ren is in a dangerous environment? How can you expect your child/ren to flourish when raised in such an environment?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 23:58:06 GMT -5
my mother went back 3-4 times to my abusive/violent father all in the name of love...its from my observation that women get weird when they have an abusive mate.... I know that times have changed & there would have been different expectations put on people/wives back then... but I cannot fathom HOW a woman can stay/keep going back to an abusive partner ESPECIALLY when there are children involved? How can one sleep at night knowing their child/ren is in a dangerous environment? How can you expect your child/ren to flourish when raised in such an environment? i agree, but its hard to argue against the love theory...
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Post by thelight on Apr 19, 2018 0:09:04 GMT -5
I know that times have changed & there would have been different expectations put on people/wives back then... but I cannot fathom HOW a woman can stay/keep going back to an abusive partner ESPECIALLY when there are children involved? How can one sleep at night knowing their child/ren is in a dangerous environment? How can you expect your child/ren to flourish when raised in such an environment? i agree, but its hard to argue against the love theory... The love towards her husband obviously overshadowed the love for her children....
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 19, 2018 0:32:09 GMT -5
A lot of people still do not realize what happens when a woman is treated in such a way as that. my mother went back 3-4 times to my abusive/violent father all in the name of love...its from my observation that women get weird when they have an abusive mate.... Wally, -how do you KNOW that it was "love?"
When did this happen? At that time, did your mother have the education and the skills to get a job and live without your father as a provider for you and her other children?
Did she have anyone where she could feel safe?
"Women get weird " is a strange way of appraising a mother who is trapped in a violent marriage!
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Post by dmmichgood on Apr 19, 2018 0:47:32 GMT -5
my mother went back 3-4 times to my abusive/violent father all in the name of love...its from my observation that women get weird when they have an abusive mate.... I know that times have changed & there would have been different expectations put on people/wives back then... but I cannot fathom HOW a woman can stay/keep going back to an abusive partner ESPECIALLY when there are children involved? How can one sleep at night knowing their child/ren is in a dangerous environment? How can you expect your child/ren to flourish when raised in such an environment? How old are either of you and wally?
It isn't about "expectations put on people/wives!"
It is about Battered Women'
Before you continue to guess at what is wrong and judge those women PLEASE learn something about it!
Battered woman syndrome (BWS) is a mental disorder that develops in victims of domestic violence as a result of serious, long-term abuse. BWS is dangerous primarily because it can lead to what some scholars say is "learned helplessness" – or psychological paralysis – where the victim becomes so depressed, defeated, and passive that she believes she is incapable of leaving the abusive situation.
Though it may seem like an irrational fear, it feels absolutely real to the victim.
Feeling fearful and weak, and sometimes even still holding onto the hope that her abuser will stop hurting her, the victim remains with her abuser, continuing the cycle of domestic violence and strengthening her existing BWS.
Battered woman syndrome is recognized by many states as a legitimate mental disorder, and there are support systems available to women who suffer from a situation of domestic violence and BWS.
It’s worth noting, also, that the laws of many states account for violent outbursts by BWS victims. If you or someone you know is afraid of coming forward to authorities because of an injury to the abuser, there may be ways to avoid punishment. Read ahead to learn more.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battered_woman_syndrome
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