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Post by Lee on Sept 8, 2017 15:25:54 GMT -5
Let's not forget technology displaces jobs. No one knows what biology plus machine will look like some day. For now the world tends to treat the marriage like salvation.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 8, 2017 23:06:35 GMT -5
People don't succeed in today's world unless they believe in themselves. In a competitive economy that involves feeling superior or adequate to the task of education and buckling down in a job. The accusation of racism is a red herring with regard to underperforming blacks. Numerically, they tend not to believe in themselves. That is the core problem, not racism. Said by someone who doesn't know very many blacks and prefers to use the usual lily-white rhetoric ladled out by the ruling class!
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Post by Lee on Sept 8, 2017 23:42:14 GMT -5
...said one member of the ruling class to the other, we're so silly.
Ruling class.. Is that one of those marxist ideas about race?
I don't believe America is racist today like you assume it is and anyone telling a black man they can't make it because they're black should reprimand themselves.
The biggest problems with capitalism and modernity are color blind.
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Post by PrueBert on Sept 9, 2017 0:08:14 GMT -5
"Fall" as in when diseases WASP's got rid of through vaccinations are back with a vengeance. And the WASP Asia/Pacific stability of post WWII reverts back to an Asian vs Asian military contest. And the WASP industrial revolution packs up and goes to China. And the WASP view of democracy, education, religion etc is challenged by WASP haters. And the WASP view of saving, study and hard work dissipates as foreigners loan money for foreign made goods. And WASP churches become mosques and WASP nationhood is given to other nations. And WASP 'English as a common standard' is replaced by Spanish.
.... that kind of thing.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 9, 2017 1:11:38 GMT -5
...said one member of the ruling class to the other, we're so silly. Ruling class.. Is that one of those marxist ideas about race? I don't believe America is racist today like you assume it is and anyone telling a black man they can't make it because they're black should reprimand themselves. Why? Just because they have the guts to say how racist they are. I see you also have the guts to say how racist you are. Time for you to reprimand yourself.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 9, 2017 1:32:23 GMT -5
Wally considers "America" to be what it was when only a WASP got to vote. Have you got your Real ID yet, Wally? If not, you better start working on it now or you'll not be allowed to vote next time. see bob, can't operate without racism in the mix can you...LOL I have other values to defend too, you know.
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Post by Lee on Sept 10, 2017 16:26:09 GMT -5
...said one member of the ruling class to the other, we're so silly. Ruling class.. Is that one of those marxist ideas about race? I don't believe America is racist today like you assume it is and anyone telling a black man they can't make it because they're black should reprimand themselves. Why? Just because they have the guts to say how racist they are. I see you also have the guts to say how racist you are. Time for you to reprimand yourself. Are we name-calling Bob? You know how admin hates that. I've been thinking about a verse in Revelation. It says in heaven there'll be no more tears (love the Ozzy song of the same name). I think it asks us, can humans ever resolve or get over their greivences? How can they when sin abounds? And what does it mean to believe in yourself, or to believe in jesus Christ? Can believing have something to do with transcending this world? Is it possible that heaven is only attained by grasping and realizing transcendence? I suppose these are just white questions, or so we learn in our universities. But in my life experience, I've learned that the ability to transcend is a universally, coveted value. In other words, it's become marketable.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 10, 2017 16:43:38 GMT -5
Why? Just because they have the guts to say how racist they are. I see you also have the guts to say how racist you are. Time for you to reprimand yourself. Are we name-calling Bob? You know how admin hates that. Not really. I was just humorously pointing out that you had just justified a racist opinion of your own. I've always understood how so many people who think they're not racist can in reality be VERY racist ... and have no clue why they are. This is theological fantasy that religious piety will never solve ... because it usually creates more division than unity. It's true. Americans have come to have far more respect for the blatherings of the poorly educated than the benefits provided them by those who do the work of educating people. I understand your life experience.
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Post by Lee on Sept 10, 2017 16:59:52 GMT -5
Uh... Appreciating the value of transcendence equates to being uneducated? And we're not name calling, right? We're just telling it like it is?
I disagree with your assumptions. I see as much or more discord occurring upon the belief that education and governance are the effective agents of retiring sin. I don't know about the new man of Neitzsche. I dont think he exists apart from freaks like Hitler. I'm thinking the highest purpose in this world is to transcend it. It's a mental thing, first of all.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 10, 2017 17:17:34 GMT -5
Uh... Appreciating the value of transcendence equates to being uneducated? I caution you not to think of yourself too highly. Big words are no guarantee of transcendence. Yes, telling it like it is. You said it, and I know of no other word for it. What you said was as racially banal as suggesting that blue eyed people should be restricted from driving in the day time because their eyes are more susceptible to blindness from the sun. You said: The biggest problems with capitalism and modernity are color blind. What weaknesses or unworthiness of "color" does capitalism and modernity ignore? Thank you for recognizing that I disagree. From your point of view, that's understandable. You have kind of an innate resistance to learning from experts. Don't bother with him. He'll give you intolerable heartburn. I never thought of the word "mental".
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Post by Lee on Sept 10, 2017 17:42:43 GMT -5
I think you misunderstood me. Capitalism doesn't supply a great job for everyone. Capitalism commandeers and quarantines more refined ideas of home and hearth. We're always moving..we're always impelled towards another syncretism of some consumer goody and technology. Where is this going? More to the point, how is it racist?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 19:13:38 GMT -5
Where is this going? More to the point, how is it racist? don't worry bob can twist anything into a racist slant....just watch
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Post by Lee on Sept 10, 2017 19:41:03 GMT -5
I guess Wally...
I've been thinking about this though. It could be that Satan hates black people and he's using capitalism to do a number on them. That would mean Bob's sort of right, and we should place the blame squarely where it belongs, at the feet of Satan.
I've never been a dualist though when it comes to god and the devil. I've always thought Satan couldn't hold a candle to god, you know. But the University teacher knows otherwise, and he has spoken! White people are evil because white people do the devil's business because they instituted capitalism and seem to be the most closely associated culture.
Makes sense to me... NOT. I mean black people make use of the capitalistic system. And who isn't capitalistic? Who asks themselves when they get a better price if they really paid what the commodity was actually worth if you considered the value of the human labor that went into it? No one. Not even Bob I bet. Black white purple... everyone is in on this sin together, if indeed it's a sin.
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Post by Lee on Sept 10, 2017 19:46:18 GMT -5
I think the theme of the op was that not all problems can be solved with money. Belief in self and belief in a beauty even greater than the self is so important when it comes to development. Sorry for side tracking.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 10, 2017 21:28:16 GMT -5
I think you misunderstood me. Capitalism doesn't supply a great job for everyone. Capitalism commandeers and quarantines more refined ideas of home and hearth. We're always moving..we're always impelled towards another syncretism of some consumer goody and technology. Where is this going? More to the point, how is it racist? I thought "color" was considered race.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 10, 2017 21:33:24 GMT -5
Where is this going? More to the point, how is it racist? don't worry bob can twist anything into a racist slant....just watch And when it completely bat-sh-t crazy, I can braid it tightly and dye it fuschia pink.
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Post by Lee on Sept 11, 2017 0:08:12 GMT -5
I do appreciate what you said about some people's cultural identity or superiority sometimes being invisible to them (you called it racism). I recently read Pioneer Girl .. Perspectives ...Exploring Laura Ingalls Wilder. Until her editor suggested a correction, early editions of Little House on the Prairie read, "There the wild animals wandered and fed as though they were in a pasture that stretched much farther than a man could see, and there were no people. Only Indians lived there." It was changed to read, "There were no settlers there."
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Post by Lee on Sept 11, 2017 0:11:36 GMT -5
Ok sorry... Back to the OP.
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Post by emy on Sept 11, 2017 0:18:07 GMT -5
I think the theme of the op was that not all problems can be solved with money. Belief in self and belief in a beauty even greater than the self is so important when it comes to development. Sorry for side tracking. I suppose money is at the root of these things, but I perceived that the writer of the article was saying that special privileges for the disadvantaged is not the solution, could be contributing to the problem.
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Post by Lee on Sept 11, 2017 8:16:24 GMT -5
Williams has been saying this for years.
I guess if I explore the problem, I would measure the problem of the black man against what's right about let's say... The "successful" people Williams draws his contrast with. What's right about concrete jungles? What's right about a political climate that can't discuss immigration from the standpoint of it's impact on ecology and demography? Are we trying to be like China where you see the sun three days a year from smog and over population? I believe the maximum concentration of people should be 50000 to an urban areas, and urban areas should be separated by at least 25 miles. Take all our crowded prisons for people (blacks whites all of the above) and distribute them around the land and we'd have plenty of people already. If you're not a people person and desire the anonimity of the big city you can flee to a city of 50000, where things are hot and busy, but small enough to retain their regional character and flavor. Otherwise you can enjoy country living without being overwhelmed by it's vastness.
Let's be clear. America has no idea where its headed, let alone how to get there.
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Post by xna on Sept 11, 2017 19:09:29 GMT -5
Humans started out with dark skin.
A good TED talk on the evolution of skin color.
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Post by PrueBert on Sept 11, 2017 20:05:15 GMT -5
Just a personal thought With the rise of Africa in the next century (highest birthrate in the world) we will have to make a distinction between "blacks" of the Afro variety in the USA. Many black African tourists and business people today are wary of African- Americans. They are warned by their own countrymen that the American blacks are prone to crime and lack business ethics. And that's blacks talking about blacks.
The African blacks were selected for one reason - hard work and servility. The smart African blacks didn't get caught, or weren't considered slave material due to their education or enterprise. So there was a SELECTION process going on the immigration of African blacks into the New World.
Lots of blacks in Africa are just as smart as Jews, Chinese and white folk.
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Post by Lee on Sept 11, 2017 21:07:36 GMT -5
I don't think the DNA of American blacks deviates significantly from the rest of us. Even if it did, salvation consists of altering beliefs like believing in ones self and ones future, not in throwing money away.
Who's DNA is perfect? Galations 3:3
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 21:12:06 GMT -5
Just a personal thought With the rise of Africa in the next century (highest birthrate in the world) we will have to make a distinction between "blacks" of the Afro variety in the USA. Many black African tourists and business people today are wary of African- Americans. They are warned by their own countrymen that the American blacks are prone to crime and lack business ethics. And that's blacks talking about blacks. The African blacks were selected for one reason - hard work and servility. The smart African blacks didn't get caught, or weren't considered slave material due to their education or enterprise. So there was a SELECTION process going on the immigration of African blacks into the New World. Lots of blacks in Africa are just as smart as Jews, Chinese and white folk. i remember in boot camp a big fight broke out between virgin islander blacks and mainland blacks it seems the virgin islanders didn't like being called "brother" and wanted nothing to do with the mainland blacks...
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Post by Lee on Sept 12, 2017 1:36:18 GMT -5
Boot camp is stressful. Sometimes stress incites strife.
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Post by snow on Sept 12, 2017 13:15:27 GMT -5
Just a personal thought Lots of blacks in Africa are just as smart as Jews, Chinese and white folk. What! That you would even need to say this makes me wonder. Of course they are smart and all other people of various skin colors are just as smart or smarter as those groups you've decided are smart. Why would you even need to point this out?
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 12, 2017 13:24:24 GMT -5
Just a personal thought With the rise of Africa in the next century (highest birthrate in the world) we will have to make a distinction between "blacks" of the Afro variety in the USA. Many black African tourists and business people today are wary of African- Americans. They are warned by their own countrymen that the American blacks are prone to crime and lack business ethics. And that's blacks talking about blacks. The African blacks were selected for one reason - hard work and servility. The smart African blacks didn't get caught, or weren't considered slave material due to their education or enterprise. So there was a SELECTION process going on the immigration of African blacks into the New World. Lots of blacks in Africa are just as smart as Jews, Chinese and white folk. i remember in boot camp a big fight broke out between virgin islander blacks and mainland blacks it seems the virgin islanders didn't like being called "brother" and wanted nothing to do with the mainland blacks... Did it never cross your mind that it could have had something to do with being a mainland AMERICAN black? You may find blacks in Canada to have the same attitude about AMERICAN blacks. Kapishhh?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 13:28:32 GMT -5
i remember in boot camp a big fight broke out between virgin islander blacks and mainland blacks it seems the virgin islanders didn't like being called "brother" and wanted nothing to do with the mainland blacks... Did it never cross your mind that it could have had something to do with being a mainland AMERICAN black? You may find blacks in Canada to have the same attitude about AMERICAN blacks. Kapishhh? i think that was my point...
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