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Post by nathan on Aug 31, 2017 7:36:39 GMT -5
There is an ancient Sumerian tablet that shows the solar system 9 planets were rounds NOT FLAT, there was no science or technology. Did they accomplish that with magic or were they psychic?
Is it true that the ancient Sumerians knew about our solar system and the planetary arrangements accurately?
How did the ancient Sumerian people know about the planets and that they orbited the sun thousands of years before Copernicus and telescopes?
Is there any evidence that supports that Sumerians knew about all the planets of our solar system?
How true or possible are the stories of the Sumerian tablets/scrolls about the Anunnaki claiming to have created modern man and having known more about the Solar System/universe? Is it YouTube jargon?
There are some ancient texts where sages describe planets when such technology wasn't discovered yet. How?
You can see how the Sumerians carved the 9 planets in our solar system are ROUNDS not Flat.
www.quora.com/There-is-an-ancient-Sumerian-tablet-that-shows-the-solar-system-there-was-no-science-or-technology-Did-they-accomplish-that-with-magic-or-were-they-psychic
~~ Teleportation of the Philadelphia experiment during WW II
www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/teleportation-and-the-mysterious-philadelphia-experiment/ss-AAUWlx4?ocid=hponeservicefeed&li=BBnb7Kz#image=4~~ 2020 Gina Colvin: Armada or 1000s of giant space crafts entered our world. Watch at 2:22www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Gina+Colvin&&view=detail&mid=730FC8C8275FBE8C47B4730FC8C8275FBE8C47B4&&FORM=VDRVSR
INSPIRED by TRUE EVENTS!
"The landing of Valiant Thor was perhaps the first documented landing of a human-type alien by military officials. He met with President Eisenhower and Vice President Richard Nixon for an hour, then the alien was put on VIP status and shuttled back to the Pentagon."
--Harley Byrd, Project Blue Book, United States Air Force
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Valiant Thor Victor One Space ship blueprint
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In July 2016, filmmaker Craig Campobasso appeared on The History Channel’s Ancient Aliens. He shared the Stranger at the Pentagon story, about Universal Envoy Valiant Thor, and about his friend and colleague Dr. Frank Stranges. Episode: The Mysterious Nine.
Also appearing on the same episode, the Hon. Paul Hellyer, Canadian Minister of Defense (1983-1987), confirmed Valiant Thor’s three year residency at the Pentagon. Laura Eisenhower, President Eisenhower’s great, great granddaughter, also corroborated the story.
Craig Campobasso’s appearance on George Noory’s television show—Beyond Belief aired in early summer 2016. It is rated in the top ten shows of all time on the Gaia TV network. In early August 2016 it took the number two spot.
Harley Byrd was special operations officer and special investigation assignments officer for Project Blue Book (1957-1963), which was a secret military program that investigated extraterrestrials and UFOs. Byrd confirmed Valiant Thor’s existence in the foreword to Stranger at the Pentagon. Craig Campobasso released on Beyond Belief Byrd’s military honorable discharge papers proving Byrd worked for the Department of Defense. Campobasso also released a letter dated December 1956 from his grandfather, Admiral Richard E. Byrd. The letter was addressed to a Pentagon Rear Admiral—that asked to transfer his nephew from the Ceremonial Honor Guard to the Pentagon.
Craig Campobasso appeared at Seacoast’s Comic-Con in July 2016 to screen the short-film and lecture about the story. Campobasso has appeared on countless radio shows, including Coast to Coast with host George Noory. He has traveled across America showing the short-film to enthused audiences.
www.strangeratthepentagon.com/about
The Stranger/ET at the Pentagon (Revised) By: Frank E. Stranges PhD
Publisher's Summary
Dr. Frank Stranges was born and educated in Brooklyn, New York. He received his bachelor's of divinity as well as PhDs in psychology and philosophy from Faith Theological Seminary in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.
Dr. Stranges was a member of the Mayor's Advisory Council of Los Angeles and a member of the American Association for Social Psychology. He also held a PhD from the National Institute of Criminology, in Washington, DC, and was an accredited diplomat of the American Academy of Professional Arts.
www.audible.com/pd/The-Stranger-at-the-Pentagon-Revised-Audiobook/B07FXVTNWM
Full length feature film Stranger/ET at the Pentagon in the making
Stranger at the Pentagon was an inspired independent short-film project. Winning multiple awards and receiving critical acclaim, the producers have been prompted by you, the fans, to deliver a full-length major motion picture telling the entire story.
Screenplay by Craig Campobasso Inspired from the book by Dr. Frank E. Stranges
PROJECT BLUE BOOK CASE FILE 002741-57 - Room 4D-717
"The landing of Valiant Thor was perhaps the first documented landing of a human-type alien by military officials. He met with President Eisenhower and Vice President Richard Nixon for an hour, then the alien was put on VIP status and shuttled back to the Pentagon."
--Harley Byrd, Project Blue Book, USAF
Saturday, March 16, 1957 is an historic day in America; it was 8:00 am when Universal Envoy Valiant Thor landed in Victor One in an agricultural field in Alexandria, Virginia.
OVAL OFFICE – March 16, 1957 – DAY
President Dwight Eisenhower, Vice-President Richard Nixon, the Joint Chiefs and secret service men are riveted by the enlightened presence of the extraterrestrial Valiant.
PRESIDENT EISENHOWER: Of course, you know we have suspended all rules of protocol. I have a good feeling towards you. Please sir, what is your name?
EXTRATERRESTRIAL: Commander Valiant Thor.
PRESIDENT EISENHOWER: What is the purpose of this visit?
VALIANT: Your planet has been under close observation for a long time. That is why I am here. Thor hands Eisenhower an otherworldly document. The President's face ponders how it suddenly appeared as he peruses paper.
EISENHOWER: This proposal is quite extraordinary.
VALIANT: Designed by the Unification Council of 12, to enrich lives on your world. I am the Chairman, here to assist you in the ways of the universe.
EISENHOWER: We cannot rush into something like this. It will take some time to consider. Let's get better acquainted. Learn more about one another. Will you stay as our guest?
Eisenhower has a strong intuition about Thor, and places him on VIP status for three years. His new residence will be a Pentagon apartment, three floors below the octagon. Over the next year, talks begin about the implementation of Thor’s Divine Design. When Thor explains that he is interacting on behalf of the Galactic Community, to discuss the affairs of Earth that are detrimental to its it future, and to enlighten our government about universal society—the Joint Chiefs, CIA Director and the Secretary of Defense ponder his endless technological possibilities.
They contemplate their future strategy either using friendship or force to gain control. Thor’s technologies are far greater than the captured saucers the government already has in its possession at Area 51; it’s based on organics, living matter with consciousness. The Military Industrial Complex’s race to gain the blueprints to the Victor Class Saucers ensues, and ramps up in the years ahead.
Meanwhile, a malevolent alien race, the Quyine, offers America superior technologies and Eisenhower is left with a serious dilemma. If he does not take the deal, the Quyine will offer the same deal to foreign superpowers. But at what moral price will the citizens of America ultimately pay if Eisenhower accepts?
With the Quyine presence on Earth, Thor finds himself interacting with one of the most dangerous men—the Empyrean, whom heads the SSS—the Secret Shadow Society, the leader of the 13 men that control the world from behind the corporate curtain. Thor, with the help of his Vice Commanders, must outsmart this evil genius, who is partnered with the Quyine. Will Thor’s mission succeed or fail?
The US government is keeping Thor’s existence top secret. In December of 1959, Thor puts another plan into effect. In 1960 He meets with UFOlogist Dr. Frank Stranges, who in 1967 releases his book about Valiant Thor in Stranger/ET at the Pentagon.
Screenwriter Craig Campobasso sat with Dr. Frank Stranges for many years to perfect the screenplay. The feature film is inspired by this true story.
www.strangeratthepentagon.com/portraits
The Venusians are the human looking angels of God appeared in the Old and New Testament. ALL good and fallen angels came from interior planet of Venus. Christ is from Interior planet of Venus and He is the Creator of ALL of the angels of God.
Ariel Archangel Ambassador of Venus. Associate with planet Venus as the star of the morning. www.universeofsymbolism.com/archangel-ariel.html
Names of 14 Powerful Arch angels of abilities www.universeofsymbolism.com/angel-names.html
FEATURE-FILM SYNOPSIS Screenplay by Craig Campobasso
Inspired from the book by Dr. Frank E. Stranges
Valiant Thor, a universal emissary, arrives to Earth on March 16, 1957 to meet President Eisenhower, along with VP Richard Nixon, Joint Chiefs of Staff, CIA, FBI and NSA directors. Thor, acting on behalf of a Galactic Council of Twelve, hands the President a cosmic proposal. The proposal focuses on the dangers of atomics, pollution, the benefits of free energy, and the elimination of poverty and disease to improve quality of life. Valiant Thor is then put on VIP status for three years to discuss, oversee, and potentially implement the plan. The Washington brass eventually learn that Thor is a created being, a man with divine powers, not born of man and woman, and cannot be killed.
The Joint Chiefs of Staff want Valiant Thor’s flying saucer technology. AF General Browning is a member of MJ-12, and the alien tech they have in their possession at Area 51, fails in comparison to Thor’s organic Victor Class Saucer Fleet. These craft are living intelligent beings. The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff later retires. General Browning then takes his place and promotes AF Vice Chief of Staff Davin Dervill with the caveat: to get Thor’s organic technology at any cost.
Valiant Thor believes he is making progress with the intergalactic proposal. But things take a bad turn when Browning and the MJ-12 cabinet escort President Eisenhower to a secret underground facility at Area 51. There, Eisenhower is introduced to the leader of the Quyine race from Orion. The Quyine offer the United States superior technological advances, in exchange for subterranean land deeds, along with other questionable demands. If Eisenhower does not accept the deal, the Quyine will take their offer to other global superpowers.
In a last ditch effort to force Thor into compliancy, Browning orders Dervill to contact the 'Empyrean', the head of the Secret Shadow Society “SSS”, a group of thirteen men that rule the world from behind the corporate curtain. The Empyrean is the ultimate ruling power on Earth and is aligned with the malevolent Quyine race. They have groomed him on how to stop Thor and have even armed him with advanced star-based weapons: a handgun that kills created beings, Erebus machines capable of blocking Thor's powers, and a brainwashing chair to modify his consciousness.
Will the Empyrean control Thor for his nefarious purposes? Will Browning and Dervill obtain Thor's Victor Class Fleet blueprints? Will Eisenhower accept Thor’s proposal? What is the fate of Earth? Who will tell the 'Stranger at the Pentagon' story--in the cover-up, of all government cover-ups!?
www.strangeratthepentagon.com/portraits
Craig Campobasso is producer of the short film "Stranger at the Pentagon," Interview in 2015 about Valiant Thor and Dr. Frank Stranges meeting at the Pentagon in 1959. 259 crews on Victor One. www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3u4MU2LaY8&ab_channel=ExoNews (Part I) VERY interesting History! www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-gJxnQoJ3k&t;=452s (Part II) Valiant Thor describes a race made by "God Almighty" before human's appeared on earth. According to Valiant Thor they were called the "Quello". They were destroyed by God because of Satan deceived them in destroying the Earth, that we are doing now! There are Nuclear plants, like Fukushima, on the East coast too. They are located by water. Why? Because they use ocean water to keep the heating rods cool. In the second part Valiant Thor was looking over us here on earth having a visitation with God and Jesus the Almighty. Valiant eventually was allowed to leave Venus and come here to warn the powers that be, that if we don't stop warring and using nuclear bombs we will end up being destroyed. In March 16, 1957-1960 landed in Alexandria Virginia, one of the finest leaders of the Planet Venus, met president Eisenhower and Vice president Nixon. Valiant Thor stayed at the Pentagon for 3 years. www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpelnBNPFYg~~ ETs/President Kennedy by Maurice Osborn 2002. History of the UFO crashed in Roswell, 1947. (10:00) 3 1/2 feet tall ET/Grey humans. no sex organ. Larger brain/head than humans. Small mouth/nose/ear, no heart, no lung, etc... Only One large organ function as the heart and lung. They are clones. They are highly advance artificial Intelligent beings. One The Pleiades blond hair/blue eyes human looking aliens species warned the President Eisenhower about the Greys intention taken over the world. (At 023:00) President Kennedy was going to deliver a speech on the existence of ALIENS to American public in 1963 before his assassination. President Kennedy wrote in his speech: "WE are NOT alone. God in His infinite wisdom had populated His Universe with other beings from other planets, such as ourselves." More details of President Kennedy letter at (40:00) https.//www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QYpRsWvylE Is it true that the sun stood still? sun stood still www.gotquestions.org/sun-stood-still.htmlI believe Lilth was indeed Adam's first wife and NOT Eve.
In some Jewish folklore, such as the satirical Alphabet of Sirach (c. 700–1000 AD), Lilith appears as Adam's first wife, who was created at the same time (Rosh Hashanah) and from the same clay as Adam. The legend of Lilith developed extensively during the Middle Ages, in the tradition of Aggadah, the Zohar, and Jewish mysticism.[10] For example, in the 11th-century writings of Isaac ben Jacob ha-Cohen, Lilith left Adam after she refused to become subservient to him and then would not return to the Garden of Eden after she had coupled with the archangel Samael/Satan.[11]
Interpretations of Lilith found in later Jewish materials are plentiful, but little information has survived relating to the Sumerian, Akkadian, Assyrian and Babylonian view of this class of demons. While researchers almost universally agree that a connection exists, recent scholarship has disputed the relevance of two sources previously used to connect the Jewish lilith to an Akkadian lilītu – the Gilgamesh appendix and the Arslan Tash amulets.[12] (see below for discussion of these two problematic sources). In contrast, some scholars, such as Lowell K. Handy, hold the view that though Lilith derives from Mesopotamian demonology, evidence of the Hebrew Lilith being present in the sources frequently cited - the Sumerian Gilgamesh fragment and the Sumeroan incantation from Arshlan-Tash being two - is scant, if present at all.[11]: 174 In Hebrew-language texts, the term lilith or lilit (translated as "night creatures", "night monster", "night hag", or "screech owl") first occurs in a list of animals in Isaiah 34,[13] either in singular or plural form according to variations in the earliest manuscripts. The Isaiah 34:14 Lilith reference does not appear in most common Bible translations such as KJV and NIV. Commentators and interpreters often envision the figure of Lilith as a dangerous demon of the night, who is sexually wanton, and who steals babies in the darkness. In the Dead Sea Scrolls 4Q510-511, the term first occurs in a list of monsters. Jewish magical inscriptions on bowls and amulets from the 6th century AD onwards identify Lilith as a female demon and provide the first visual depictions of her. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith~~ There are pages and pages on Lilth was Adam's first wife.
www.google.com/search?q=Lilith+in+the+Bible&ei=qKBvYZWgFMLF1QHQtqCgAg&start=10&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwiVlMLpmNjzAhXCYjUKHVAbCCQQ8tMDegQIARA6&biw=1536&bih=754&dpr=1.251) Annan wrote: So why should workers be hung according to you?
Nathan’s reply: NOT just the workers, or anyone in the fellowship including you.... For NOT believing in Jesus who said he is God Almighty, the Word, the Alpha and Omega and you and those in the 2x2 fellowship who are anti-Trinity believers Teaching He is NOT God; the Trinity is heresy and Pagans when they are NOT. The overseers who think like you have excommunicated the workers from the ministry for preaching/teaching Jesus is God; and teaching the TRUE doctrine of the Trinity. What are these dead overseers in heaven going to answer to the workers they have excommunicated from the ministry and many of the friends who left the fellowship because of their false teachings anti-Trinity and Jesus is NOT God? 2) Dan wrote: A big deal and a lot of fuss has been made over that simple statement... I would suggest taking it as a harsh figure of speech that's not taken literally, but just a dysphemism instead of a euphemism. I'm sure Nathan was not suggesting that "Someone should get a rope!".... But figuratively expressing his disapproval of those who spew the anti-trinity doctrine.
** Nathan: Amen! Dan. You hit the nail right on the head, very good observation in your post. It was a figure of speech "Hanging" but they twisted my post to make something literally! And got me in trouble with the Admn. to give me 5% warning! I explained to him that he had to follow the thread which lead up to that! Don't just believe just by reading one post. These people like a pack of crazy wolves, bring their complains as a group to the Admin. and they put pressure on him to ban me from posting on TMB. There are certain group people on here keep on posting about me hanging the workers literally! from my one post. What a pathetic bunch of people. They want me to be banned from posting on TMB so, they can continue promoting atheism belief and anti-2×2 workers ministry and fellowship on here. Nathan said: The term Godhead is found three times in the King James Version: Acts 17:29; Romans 1:20; and Colossians 2:9. In each of the three verses, a slightly different Greek word is used, but the definition of each is the same: “deity” or “divine nature.” The word Godhead is used to refer to God’s essential nature. We’ll take a look at each of these passages and what they mean. Colossians 2:9 is one of the clearest statements of the deity of Christ anywhere in the Bible: “In him [Christ] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” The word for “Godhead” here is theotés. According to this verse, Jesus Christ is God Incarnate. He embodies all (“the fulness”) of God (translated “the Deity” in the NIV). This truth aligns perfectly with Colossians 1:19, “God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him [Christ].” Because the Godhead dwells bodily in Christ, Jesus could rightly claim that He and the Father are “one” (John 10:30). Because the fullness of God’s divine essence is present in the Son of God, Jesus could say to Philip, “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father” (John 14:9). In summary, the Godhead is the essence of the Divine Being; the Godhead is the one and only Deity. Jesus, the incarnate Godhead, entered our world and showed us exactly who God is: “No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known” (John 1:18; cf. Hebrews 1:3). www.gotquestions.org/Godhead.htmlFixit/2x2 wrote: Workers don't recommend gotquestions.org. ~~ Nathan: You/fixit a 2x2 elder, Most of the workers and the friends today are lacking in understanding the Godhead; Christ is God. They should and need to study gotquestions.org. on the Godhead and Christ is God.... Maybe God and Christ can RESTORE the same Godhead and the Triune God understanding that the early days workers from 1898-1960 had received.
Is the deity of Christ biblical?
In addition to Jesus’ specific claims about Himself, His disciples also acknowledged the deity of Christ. They claimed that Jesus had the right to forgive sins—something only God can do—as it is God who is offended by sin (Acts 5:31; Colossians 3:13; Psalm 130:4; Jeremiah 31:34). In close connection with this last claim, 1) Jesus is also said to be the one who will “judge the living and the dead” (2 Timothy 4:1). 2) Thomas cried out to Jesus, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28). 3) Paul calls Jesus “great God and Savior” (Titus 2:13) and points out that prior to His incarnation Jesus existed in the “form of God” (Philippians 2:5-8). God the Father says regarding Jesus: “Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever” (Hebrews 1:8). John states that “in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word [Jesus] was God” (John 1:1). Examples of Scriptures that teach the deity of Christ are many (see Revelation 1:17, 2:8, 22:13; 1 Corinthians 10:4; 1 Peter 2:6-8; Psalm 18:2, 95:1; 1 Peter 5:4; Hebrews 13:20), but even one of these is enough to show that Christ was considered to be God by His followers. www.gotquestions.org/deity-of-Christ.html
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 31, 2017 7:45:50 GMT -5
nathan Who is "George P"? I don't know about any 2x2 history by a George P.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 31, 2017 8:00:28 GMT -5
nathan Who is "George P"? I don't know about any 2x2 history by a George P. Pattison, who had a son in the work, he wrote the early days account of the 2x2.His first name isn't George. It's Goodhand.
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Post by nathan on Aug 31, 2017 10:08:55 GMT -5
Pattison, who had a son in the work, he wrote the early days account of the 2x2. Explanation by Lyall Kirkup From England, preached over 40 years in Brazil. (Click here to View photo of Lyall Kirkup) Inquiries have been made about the Royal Family in England. Have any of the Royal Family ever professed? Princess Victoria professed! She was faithful until the day she died. She was a granddaughter to Queen Victoria, who was a sister to King George V. King Edward who left the throne and married a commoner wrote a book Memoirs of King Edward IV. In his book he tells of the last time Princess Victoria danced in the Palace. When she died, the newspapers wrote that she died a religious recluse! She was misunderstood and an outcast by the Royal Family. King George would telephone her every day at noon to see how she was doing. I have in my possession 15 copies of letters in her own handwriting to a Sister Worker in England whose name is Maggie. In those letters we read of her comments that show how much she valued the Truth above all else, even a place in the Royal Family! In one letter she wrote, "I was the daughter of a King, but now I am a Child of God." Her contact with Truth was through three saint girls who were employed in the Palace. One of the girls was a maid to the Ladies in waiting. One day she was fixing the hair of one of these ladies and she invited her to the chapel service with the Royal Family, which is a high honor, but she declined and then gave the Lady in waiting her testimony. At that moment, Princess Victoria passed by. The Lady was so impressed she wanted Princess Victoria to hear the testimony too. It was from that period on that the Princess wanted to hear more. The Worker's were having open-air meetings in Hyde Park. The government allowed such meetings in the park. Princess Victoria would have her coach stop at the park and she listened to the gospel from the coach. Some time later she professed. The persecution in the palace started shortly afterwards. Two of the professing girls quit their work at the palace. The third girl continued working for the Royal Family but her nerves finally broke. She was put through severe question and answer sessions by the Royal Police. After she left, Princess Victoria also left and went to the country home where she lived until her death. The present Queen Elizabeth has also been in touch with the Truth. Every week she does her shopping at a little store that one of our friends owns and operates. Also, a couple years ago she visited Germany and all the English subjects were invited to have dinner with the Queen. One of the Sister Workers from England, who was laboring in Germany was in that number. The Queen asked her about her work. She listened to what the worker had to say but it never went further than that conversation. I wonder what the Queen's response would of been had she told her that it is the same belief your great Aunt Victoria believed in!
By Lyall Kirkup www.tellingthetruth.info/publications_index/princessvic.php8/22/2021 Pragmatic said: Maybe you should take a trip down under Australia/NZ, and see how diametrically opposed people down here are to your thinking. We all know the origins of things like the Christmas Tree, St Nick, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny etc, and we know the dates aren't right. But what things were does not extrapolate out now to make things what they are. Things change their meaning over time. Most "Friends" down under enjoy Christmas, have a Tree with presents under it, and does not spur any thoughts of paganism, but instead foments great family memories, and point people to think about the events of 2000ish years ago. We had a US worker here once who tried preaching against the celebration of Christmas at a Convention here, and my understanding is that he got told to not mention it again. I do know for a fact that one person, who had only just started to come to meetings and professed only a couple of weeks before convention, was there when this happened, and it turned him away. (I happen to know the person and his back story, and I can fully understand why he reacted the way he did. I felt so sorry for him) ~~ Nathan: Yes, we 2x2s in America know and read about you 2x2s down under having X-mass trees, and the whole Christmas gifts, singing Carrols and all for many years.... having pagans gods tree in your homes, and celebrating pagan gods as the birth of Christ and you think that is Alright and PROUD of it, Wow!
Someone wrote: Would Paul consider that one who socialized with idolaters by eating in an idol’s temple took part in the idol worship? In chapter 10 he speaks directly to this issue, and clearly forbids it. “Consider the people of Israel: Do not those who eat the sacrifices participate in the altar? Do I mean then that a sacrifice offered to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons” (1 Cor. 10:18-21 NIV). He says, “I do not want you to be participants with demons [idols].” If any of those attending the Church at Corinth were teaching that it was all right to eat meat in the idol’s temple, Paul corrected their thinking. To do such would be to eat from the “table of devils,” a practice that cannot be mixed with the table of the Lord. In 2 Corinthians 6, Paul again spoke plainly about not associating with idolaters in their worship. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? … Therefore ‘Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you. I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the Lord Almighty.’ ” (2 Cor. 6:14, 17-18). A believer who would dine in an idol’s temple would be transgressing this command. Many of the believers had turned “from idols to serve the living and true God” (1 Thess. 1:9). They turned from idols to God. They could not serve both, it must be either idols or God. Again and again God showed his disgust with idol worship.
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Post by snow on Aug 31, 2017 11:11:56 GMT -5
snowMaintaining a position of neutrality infers the person does not take a position on the issue or topic. There are many examples which disprove that Cherie Kropp maintains a neutral position regarding the status of the 2x2 group. There is one on this thread when she wrote: To take a neutral stance about the 2x2 group would be to simply present any documents related to this group to prompt discussion however, in order to maintain a position of neutrality, the person must avoid stating their opinion. Cherie Kropp declares the 2x2 belief to be founded on a lie and to therefore be a false (not) christian belief. Yet she cannot provide her measure of truth which would evidence these claims. She failed to answer these questions I asked her many months back
"What is the standard used to measure truth in the religious context?
Is this standard applied to other religious belief systems? If not, on what basis is a website dedicated to critiquing the origins of the 'truth' justified?
How is deception defined in the context of the 'truth'.
What strategies can be applied to differentiate between the 'truth' and the many other religious belief systems to avoid being deceived?
As the TTT site will inevitably cause some professing people to doubt their belief: is the doubting of all faiths encouraged? If not, why not ? and if so why? Thank you" .I honestly fear that by supporting or defending such an individual's position, we are also supporting a typical example of religious sectarianism. Each faith based belief naturally tends to claim their version of the truth as the absolute truth. Yet not one can provide the evidence which proves their truth to be the gold standard. As previously mentioned elsewhere: if an individual believes: that their god sent himself to earth billions of years after he created the world, in the virgin birth, miracles, the resurrection and eternal life: Then on what basis do they negate another's claims that god inspired them to follow his teachings during an interval that was a relatively small lapse of time after his son was on the earth? I haven't read all the TTT, just different areas that interested me because of my parents early participation in this group. From what I've read on TTT it is just a website that posts history, letters etc. I didn't see a lot of 'opinion' on the site itself. It is on this forum and her forum that she states more of what is her opinion. Yes, she is not a supporter of the 'Truth' and that is obvious. Yes, she could also take it that next step further and be of the opinion that all religions need to be critiqued. She's not there yet. It's a journey as you well know and people are on their own time schedules. Until you take that step through the door of understanding about all gods, you can't see the irony of criticizing one religious group or denomination over another. I still think she has done a great job of her accumulation of history. I do see the irony at the same time. But I do believe in giving credit where it is warranted. She's done a great job with what she has done.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 31, 2017 11:32:54 GMT -5
His first name isn't George. It's Goodhand. Somebody on this thread gave him the name George P. and it's sounds better and easier name to remember. Haha... If you want your writings to be credible, I suggest you make sure to source the correct person by their correct name and also spell their name correctly. www.tellingthetruth.info/publications_index/pattisong.php
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Post by nathan on Aug 31, 2017 12:16:07 GMT -5
The Bible, Jesus, and the apostle John teach, One Godhead but THREE separate Entity or Supreme Beings/God.
Each Entity is God=God the Father is the Most High God, the Lord God Christ who incarnated in the Person Jesus to DIE for our sins on Calvary's Cross to SAVE us from the Second Death= cast in the Lake of Fire or from the God's presence forever, and the Holy Spirit is our Teacher, Guide and Protector. 1) Genesis 1:26 And God/Elohim/Plural said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 2) John 14:15-23 Jesus said, If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. John 16:7-15 Jesus said, Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. Acts 5:1-4 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.3) I John 5:7-8 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word/Christ, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. Jesus said in Rev. 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty/God. The Great Commission to all the world Jesus said in Matthew 28.... Baptized the followers in the Name of God the Father, Christ/the Son and the Holy Spirit.
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Post by nathan on Aug 31, 2017 12:25:35 GMT -5
1) snow wrote: I haven't read all the TTT, just different areas that interested me because of my parents early participation in this group. From what I've read on TTT it is just a website that posts history, letters etc. I didn't see a lot of 'opinion' on the site itself. It is on this forum and her forum that she states more of what is her opinion. Yes, she is not a supporter of the 'Truth' and that is obvious. Yes, she could also take it that next step further and be of the opinion that all religions need to be critiqued. She's not there yet. It's a journey as you well know and people are on their own time schedules. Until you take that step through the door of understanding about all gods, you can't see the irony of criticizing one religious group or denomination over another.
I still think she has done a great job of her accumulation of history. I do see the irony at the same time. But I do believe in giving credit where it is warranted. She's done a great job with what she has done. [/quote]
*** You need to read more TTT and her other one website TLT or something like that then you will SEE, put her 2 cents ideas, belief and understanding of things.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 31, 2017 12:42:52 GMT -5
**** Yea, yea I know... I am posting at work and don't have the time to check out his first name again on your TTT website. That's not a good excuse. You would still be better off waiting until you can make sure before you post something incorrect...if you want to improve your credibility, that is.
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Post by snow on Aug 31, 2017 12:52:22 GMT -5
1) snow wrote: I haven't read all the TTT, just different areas that interested me because of my parents early participation in this group. From what I've read on TTT it is just a website that posts history, letters etc. I didn't see a lot of 'opinion' on the site itself. It is on this forum and her forum that she states more of what is her opinion. Yes, she is not a supporter of the 'Truth' and that is obvious. Yes, she could also take it that next step further and be of the opinion that all religions need to be critiqued. She's not there yet. It's a journey as you well know and people are on their own time schedules. Until you take that step through the door of understanding about all gods, you can't see the irony of criticizing one religious group or denomination over another. I still think she has done a great job of her accumulation of history. I do see the irony at the same time. But I do believe in giving credit where it is warranted. She's done a great job with what she has done. *** You need to read more TTT and her other one website TLT or something like that then you will SEE, put her 2 cents ideas, belief and understanding of things. [/quote] Okay.
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Post by nathan on Aug 31, 2017 13:32:58 GMT -5
**** Yea, yea I know... I am posting at work and don't have the time to check out his first name again on your TTT website. That's not a good excuse. You would still be better off waiting until you can make sure before you post something incorrect...if you want to improve your credibility, that is. ***Yea, right! What a bunch of baloney, it has nothing to do with my credibility.
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Post by Grant on Aug 31, 2017 13:34:27 GMT -5
We all make mistakes. TMB is not an authorized site of perfection.
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 31, 2017 18:20:31 GMT -5
But of course you understand the bible scriptures don't you nathan !!! Like DMG say you wouldn't have the information you have without CherieKropp 's research, also you are quick to use it when it suits your purpose ! Nope, I didn't need Cherie Kropp researched at all because I have others church historians such as E. H. Broadbent the Pilgrim Church book, The Ancient Vaudois, Albigenses, Waldenses, Cathars, and many more of the church historians books that I found and read in 1988-9 when I was in the work, before Cherie K. started her TTT website in 1990s.
Cherie's TTT website just showed William Irvine (ex- Faith Mission preacher), and the early 2x2 workers (who left many Protestant denominations to join William Irvine) beginning of their journey in 1898-1900... William Irvine, the ex- Faith Mission preacher, brought the 2x2 apostolic workers ministry, which founded by John Govan in 1886. William Irvine had many converts, who later left the Faith Mission to join him because they saw things were done not according to scriptures!
John Govan, did not practice what he preached living by Faith. They didn't believe in baptizing their converts, which Jesus taught his apostles to baptize their converts. They didn't have communion or having the bread and wine in their worship services, which are one of the most important part of the Christians services. Two of the most important parts of Jesus teachings, which they didn't have, so William Irvine and many of his converts left the Faith and became what we know as the friends and workers or 2x2s in 1900s.
Another important teaching, which most of the 2x2 early workers did NOT agree with the Faith Mission was non-exclusive or sending their converts back to the churches of their choices.
Well if you don't need CherieKropp's research don't use it when it suits you nathan ! Also I am curious are you going to be honest about not attending meetings for twenty years when you do your website ? What do the other Church Historians you have quoted know about the start of the 2x2 Church ? What you don't seem to understand is that the Workers/members of the 2x2 Church that you defend so much don't even agree with your views.
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Post by nathan on Aug 31, 2017 18:38:16 GMT -5
Nope, I didn't need Cherie Kropp researched at all because I have others church historians such as E. H. Broadbent the Pilgrim Church book, The Ancient Vaudois, Albigenses, Waldenses, Cathars, and many more of the church historians books that I found and read in 1988-9 when I was in the work, before Cherie K. started her TTT website in 1990s.
Cherie's TTT website just showed William Irvine (ex- Faith Mission preacher), and the early 2x2 workers (who left many Protestant denominations to join William Irvine) beginning of their journey in 1898-1900... William Irvine, the ex- Faith Mission preacher, brought the 2x2 apostolic workers ministry, which founded by John Govan in 1886. William Irvine had many converts, who later left the Faith Mission to join him because they saw things were done not according to scriptures!
John Govan, did not practice what he preached living by Faith. They didn't believe in baptizing their converts, which Jesus taught his apostles to baptize their converts. They didn't have communion or having the bread and wine in their worship services, which are one of the most important part of the Christians services. Two of the most important parts of Jesus teachings, which they didn't have, so William Irvine and many of his converts left the Faith and became what we know as the friends and workers or 2x2s in 1900s.
Another important teaching, which most of the 2x2 early workers did NOT agree with the Faith Mission was non-exclusive or sending their converts back to the churches of their choices.
Well if you don't need CherieKropp 's research don't use it when it suits you nathan ! Also I am curious are you going to be honest about not attending meetings for twenty years when you do your website ? What do the other Church Historians you have quoted know about the start of the 2x2 Church? What you don't seem to understand is that the Workers/members of the 2x2 Church that you defend so much don't even agree with your views. I use TTT and TLT websites to point out what she is NOT telling her readers for 25 years.... I told you I gave TMB message board over 23 years of my life, sharing what God has revealed to me. That is my new calling! for 23 years... Many of the workers and friends would not have given much of their time to answer questions, they believe it's a waste of their time to be posting on TMB.
I have answered many of the exes and atheists questions for 23 years. You should count your blessings! that I devote that part of my life for the love of souls instead doing something else with my life and time.
Even I did not attend the 2x2 meetings regularly for over 20 years, because I was too busy on TMB answering people questions, and working on my 2x2 website, helping people at work in knowing about Jesus, my faith in God has been growing stronger, and stronger because my Trust is in Him.
Do you think it was an ACCIDENT that I left the work in 1993? I don't believe so, I KNEW God has other plan for me, in 1997 after I read the TTT website... I knew God's next mission for my life.
Our own church 2x2 historian Cornelius J. Jaenen who wrote a book about the beginning of our fellowship.... and those who had similar 2x2 apostolic ministry since the days of the apostles and Jesus through the centuries... The Apostles Doctrine and Fellowship written by Cornelius J. Jaenen.
Oh, they will.... give them time to THINK things over once they see beyond the TTT website of Poisonous spider web, and see the BIGGER picture of thing, than William Irvine the man. Our God is so awesome! and marvelous in our eyes.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 31, 2017 20:39:09 GMT -5
Critique by Cherie Kropp of pages 517-542 of the book The Apostles' Doctrine & Fellowship - A documentary history of the early church and restorationist movements By Dr. Cornelius J. Jaenen
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 31, 2017 21:03:11 GMT -5
Well if you don't need CherieKropp 's research don't use it when it suits you nathan ! Also I am curious are you going to be honest about not attending meetings for twenty years when you do your website ? What do the other Church Historians you have quoted know about the start of the 2x2 Church? What you don't seem to understand is that the Workers/members of the 2x2 Church that you defend so much don't even agree with your views. I use TTT and TLT websites to point out what she is NOT telling her readers for 25 years.... I told you I gave TMB message board over 23 years of my life, sharing what God has revealed to me. That is my new calling! for 23 years... Many of the workers and friends would not have given much of their time to answer questions, they believe it's a waste of their time to be posting on TMB.
I have answered many of the exes and atheists questions for 23 years. You should count your blessings! that I devote that part of my life for the love of souls instead doing something else with my life and time.
Even I did not attend the 2x2 meetings regularly for over 20 years, because I was too busy on TMB answering people questions, and working on my 2x2 website, helping people at work in knowing about Jesus, my faith in God has been growing stronger, and stronger because my Trust is in Him.
Do you think it was an ACCIDENT that I left the work in 1993? I don't believe so, I KNEW God has other plan for me, in 1997 after I read the TTT website... I knew God's next mission for my life.
Our own church 2x2 historian Cornelius J. Jaenen who wrote a book about the beginning of our fellowship.... and those who had similar 2x2 apostolic ministry since the days of the apostles and Jesus through the centuries... The Apostles Doctrine and Fellowship written by Cornelius J. Jaenen.
Oh, they will.... give them time to THINK things over once they see beyond the TTT website of Poisonous spider web, and see the BIGGER picture of thing, than William Irvine the man. Our God is so awesome! and marvelous in our eyes.
nathan are you saying that the Workers were okay with you not going to meetings for 20 years because you were "too busy on TMB answering questions" or working on your Website !! Wow things must have sure changed !
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Post by nathan on Aug 31, 2017 21:43:04 GMT -5
I use TTT and TLT websites to point out what she is NOT telling her readers for 25 years.... I told you I gave TMB message board over 23 years of my life, sharing what God has revealed to me. That is my new calling! for 23 years... Many of the workers and friends would not have given much of their time to answer questions, they believe it's a waste of their time to be posting on TMB.
I have answered many of the exes and atheists questions for 23 years. You should count your blessings! that I devote that part of my life for the love of souls instead doing something else with my life and time.
Even I did not attend the 2x2 meetings regularly for over 20 years, because I was too busy on TMB answering people questions, and working on my 2x2 website, helping people at work in knowing about Jesus, my faith in God has been growing stronger, and stronger because my Trust is in Him.
Do you think it was an ACCIDENT that I left the work in 1993? I don't believe so, I KNEW God has other plan for me, in 1997 after I read the TTT website... I knew God's next mission for my life.
Our own church 2x2 historian Cornelius J. Jaenen who wrote a book about the beginning of our fellowship.... and those who had similar 2x2 apostolic ministry since the days of the apostles and Jesus through the centuries... The Apostles Doctrine and Fellowship written by Cornelius J. Jaenen.
Oh, they will.... give them time to THINK things over once they see beyond the TTT website of Poisonous spider web, and see the BIGGER picture of thing, than William Irvine the man. Our God is so awesome! and marvelous in our eyes.
Nate - can you please stop misquoting Cornelius J. Jaenen. He has in no way positioned himself as "your church 2x2 historian". He wrote a book about "The Apostles' Doctrine and Fellowship" - which is not just "a book about the beginning of our fellowship" He DID NOT conclude that there were churches "who had similar 2x2 apostolic ministry since the says of the apostles and Jesus through the centuries.." In fact he said "I...will confess there was a brief period when I too thought there was an unbroken apostolic succession of ‘workers’ from the first century to our day...There was no unbroken consistent line of ‘workers’ from the first century to our day…but the Spirit was always working in the world to retain faith until Jesus returns. And so there were almost certainly ‘true believers’ in every age and century somewhere, but not in the sense of a constant visible community or fellowship.” (Personal Communication from Cornelius J. Jaenan, Feb. 6, 2007) Source: Telling the Truth In addition, he wrote in his book "In our efforts to trace the continuity of primitive Christian ideals over the centuries, no unbroken successions or continuous activities of a particular identifiable group have been documented.” (p. 535) and “The thesis of a ‘remnant church’ also remains problematical... we have been unable to establish from the documentary sources accessible to us a continuous, unbroken chain of either conventicles [meetings or gatherings] or poor itinerant preachers from the early centuries to the present.” (p. 538) Source: Telling the Truth It astounds me (although it shouldn't) how careless some people in the so-called "Truth" fellowship are with the truth. Well, Cornelius wrote more than what Cherie K. posted on her TTT website. I had it all written on my old 2x2 message board, I don't have the time to post it again.... Those who have his book they should continue to read Page 538....
Nevertheless, we have NOT discounted entirely the thesis of apostolic succession. We have come to understand it in a different manner than the commonly enunciated dogma. What we can conclude is that those HAS BEEN a chain of witnesses of the apostolic doctrine and fellowship over the CENTURIES! This concept was expressed by Dr. H. L. Martensen, soon to become the primate of Denmark, in a sermon in Feb 5, 1854........
In his conclusion of apostolic succession, of a holy chain from the apostolic age to his days, he made no reference to a continuity of ordinations of an authority transmitted from ordainer to ordained. Rather, the chain consisted of Witnesses, of FINDER of TRUTH in each CENTURY!
*** Cherie K. is NOT telling the WHOLE truth....
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Post by nathan on Aug 31, 2017 21:55:21 GMT -5
I use TTT and TLT websites to point out what she is NOT telling her readers for 25 years.... I told you I gave TMB message board over 23 years of my life, sharing what God has revealed to me. That is my new calling! for 23 years... Many of the workers and friends would not have given much of their time to answer questions, they believe it's a waste of their time to be posting on TMB.
I have answered many of the exes and atheists questions for 23 years. You should count your blessings! that I devote that part of my life for the love of souls instead doing something else with my life and time.
Even I did not attend the 2x2 meetings regularly for over 20 years, because I was too busy on TMB answering people questions, and working on my 2x2 website, helping people at work in knowing about Jesus, my faith in God has been growing stronger, and stronger because my Trust is in Him.
Do you think it was an ACCIDENT that I left the work in 1993? I don't believe so, I KNEW God has other plan for me, in 1997 after I read the TTT website... I knew God's next mission for my life.
Our own church 2x2 historian Cornelius J. Jaenen who wrote a book about the beginning of our fellowship.... and those who had similar 2x2 apostolic ministry since the days of the apostles and Jesus through the centuries... The Apostles Doctrine and Fellowship written by Cornelius J. Jaenen.
Oh, they will.... give them time to THINK things over once they see beyond the TTT website of Poisonous spider web, and see the BIGGER picture of thing, than William Irvine the man. Our God is so awesome! and marvelous in our eyes.
nathan are you saying that the Workers were okay with you not going to meetings for 20 years because you were "too busy on TMB answering questions" or working on your Website !! Wow things must have sure changed ! They worried about me but I had to save MANY of TMB souls and other places. So, I didn't worry too much what they think, but I kept in touch with the workers, and friends on the Internet around the world. I had my own missions on the Internet, and some came back to the meetings through my work on the Internet. I did what God had laid upon my heart at the time, many of my old companions, Ex-overseer in the work KNEW what I was doing and other workers had told them the good work I had done. So, they left me alone! to do my things on the Internet.
The friends told the workers how much they appreciate reading what I share on TMB.
My time on the Internet is slowing down.... I enjoy getting back to meetings for the last two years.
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 31, 2017 22:51:15 GMT -5
nathan are you saying that the Workers were okay with you not going to meetings for 20 years because you were "too busy on TMB answering questions" or working on your Website !! Wow things must have sure changed ! They worried about me but I had to save MANY of TMB souls and other places. So, I didn't worry too much what they think, but I kept in touch with the workers, and friends on the Internet around the world. I had my own missions on the Internet, and some came back to the meetings through my work on the Internet. I did what God had laid upon my heart at the time, many of my old companions, Ex-overseer in the work KNEW what I was doing and other workers had told them the good work I had done. So, they left me alone! to do my things on the Internet.
The friends told the workers how much they appreciate reading what I share on TMB.
My time on the Internet is slowing down.... I enjoy getting back to meetings for the last two years.
nathan all you are doing is trying to justify your own views, remember some of us are 5th generation and know how it works, there is no way the Workers would be okay with you not attending meetings for 20 years just to "answer questions on TMB".
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Post by nathan on Aug 31, 2017 23:12:32 GMT -5
Well, Cornelius wrote more than what Cherie K. posted on her TTT website. I had it all written on my old 2x2 message board, I don't have the time to post it again.... Those who have his book they should continue to read Page 538....
Nevertheless, we have NOT discounted entirely the thesis of apostolic succession. We have come to understand it in a different manner than the commonly enunciated dogma. What we can conclude is that those HAS BEEN a chain of witnesses of the apostolic doctrine and fellowship over the CENTURIES! This concept was expressed by Dr. H. L. Martensen, soon to become the primate of Denmark, in a sermon in Feb 5, 1854........
In his conclusion of apostolic succession, of a holy chain from the apostolic age to his days, he made no reference to a continuity of ordinations of an authority transmitted from ordainer to ordained. Rather, the chain consisted of Witnesses, of FINDER of TRUTH in each CENTURY!
*** Cherie K. is NOT telling the WHOLE truth....
And that is exactly my point. He did not write or conclude (as you wrote) that there were churches or indeed ministers "who had similar 2x2 apostolic ministry since the days of the apostles and Jesus through the centuries". So your statement, as it stands, is incorrect and wrong. A so-called "chain of witnesses" is nothing to do with a 2x2 ministry or an apostolic ministry - they are your words and not the words of Cornelius J. He is simply talking about the apostles' doctrine/fellowship of believers and not a 2x2 type ministry. At the very least the reformation occurred 500 years ago. I can list plenty of churches from the reformation until now (including the one I attend) that follow the "apostolic doctrine and fellowship". You can claim all you want abut your church follow the "apostolic doctrine and fellowship." I KNOW your church is NOT.... How? just compare what we read in the New Testament and your church Anglican church doctrine is like day and night... Good try, Ross but not so.
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Post by nathan on Aug 31, 2017 23:17:43 GMT -5
nathan all you are doing is trying to justify your own views, remember some of us are 5th generation and know how it works, there is no way the Workers would be okay with you not attending meetings for 20 years just to "answer questions on TMB".
Ros - given that Facebook and "those other similar sites" have been regularly preached against, including regarded as the work of the devil, it is illusory (or perhaps delusory)for Nate to think the workers were okay with him posting on TMB for 20 years and missing meetings. How many times did we hear "meetings matter most". I'm sure it hasn't been replaced with "TMB matters most...." Well, I am still professing and still posting on TMB. I didn't become an ex-2x2 that is a good sign. So, they worry for nothing. I know about my faith in God, I guess the workers didn't.
You attended the meetings when I wasn't all those years and now you've become an ex-2x2... and I am still professing and you're not, Ross. The workers thought you were SAVED during all those years and I wasn't.... hmmmm... God SEES and KNOWS the intent the hearts of men and women.
Men and women like to judge the outward appearances but God sees and the motive of the hearts.
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Post by nathan on Aug 31, 2017 23:30:58 GMT -5
Well, I am still professing and still posting on TMB. I didn't become an ex-2x2 that is a good sign. So, they worry for nothing. I know about my faith in God, I guess the workers didn't. The workers will be very happy that you are back at meetings - provided you don't talk too much about Jesus being God. You'll get booted out if you do that. Yes, they are very HAPPY to see me attend the meetings again and spent less time on TMB. We have sister workers in our field last year and this year again, and I spoke in our Sunday meeting about ONE Godhead is God the Father, Christ the Lord our God and Savior and the Holy Spirit but they are 3 separate supreme beings. Three are One in Unity, One in harmony and Spirit.... The older sister was in the Sunday morning meeting, after the meeting she told me that she appreciated how I explained it and it makes a lot of sense.
We went to eat Supper three times last year, and we discussed about the Trinity, and I told her the early days workers taught and preached the Trinity when they came to USA for 75 years and I have their sermons at conventions to prove it.... She listened to what I had to say...
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 1, 2017 1:38:55 GMT -5
The workers will be very happy that you are back at meetings - provided you don't talk too much about Jesus being God. You'll get booted out if you do that. Yes, they are very HAPPY to see me attend the meetings again and spent less time on TMB. We have sister workers in our field last year and this year again, and I spoke in our Sunday meeting about ONE Godhead is God the Father, Christ the Lord our God and Savior and the Holy Spirit but they are 3 separate supreme beings. Three are One in Unity, One in harmony and Spirit.... The older sister was in the Sunday morning meeting, after the meeting she told me that she appreciated how I explained it and it makes a lot of sense.
We went to eat Supper three times last year, and we discussed about the Trinity, and I told her the early days workers taught and preached the Trinity when they came to USA for 75 years and I have their sermons at conventions to prove it.... She listened to what I had to say...
She may have listened nathan, but that doesn't mean she agreed !
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 1, 2017 1:46:17 GMT -5
Ros - given that Facebook and "those other similar sites" have been regularly preached against, including regarded as the work of the devil, it is illusory (or perhaps delusory)for Nate to think the workers were okay with him posting on TMB for 20 years and missing meetings. How many times did we hear "meetings matter most". I'm sure it hasn't been replaced with "TMB matters most...." Well, I am still professing and still posting on TMB. I didn't become an ex-2x2 that is a good sign. So, they worry for nothing. I know about my faith in God, I guess the workers didn't.
You attended the meetings when I wasn't all those years and now you've become an ex-2x2... and I am still professing and you're not, Ross. The workers thought you were SAVED during all those years and I wasn't.... hmmmm... God SEES and KNOWS the intent the hearts of men and women.
Men and women like to judge the outward appearances but God sees and the motive of the hearts.
That is the part that I find amusing nathan, you are so quick to defend the 2x2 church, yet you didn't attend for 20 years ! Your views on a lot of things are NOT in line with the rest of the 2x2 church the Trinity for example. Your excuse for not going to meeting is exactly that an excuse and a pretty poor one at that ! But you think you can judge other people because they have left the 2x2 church !
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Post by matisse on Sept 1, 2017 7:31:46 GMT -5
The workers will be very happy that you are back at meetings - provided you don't talk too much about Jesus being God. You'll get booted out if you do that. Yes, they are very HAPPY to see me attend the meetings again and spent less time on TMB. We have sister workers in our field last year and this year again, and I spoke in our Sunday meeting about ONE Godhead is God the Father, Christ the Lord our God and Savior and the Holy Spirit but they are 3 separate supreme beings. Three are One in Unity, One in harmony and Spirit.... The older sister was in the Sunday morning meeting, after the meeting she told me that she appreciated how I explained it and it makes a lot of sense.
We went to eat Supper three times last year, and we discussed about the Trinity, and I told her the early days workers taught and preached the Trinity when they came to USA for 75 years and I have their sermons at conventions to prove it.... She listened to what I had to say...
Nathan, how did you get your hands on sermons from 75 years ago?
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Post by nathan on Sept 1, 2017 7:36:14 GMT -5
Yes, they are very HAPPY to see me attend the meetings again and spent less time on TMB. We have sister workers in our field last year and this year again, and I spoke in our Sunday meeting about ONE Godhead is God the Father, Christ the Lord our God and Savior and the Holy Spirit but they are 3 separate supreme beings. Three are One in Unity, One in harmony and Spirit.... The older sister was in the Sunday morning meeting, after the meeting she told me that she appreciated how I explained it and it makes a lot of sense.
We went to eat Supper three times last year, and we discussed about the Trinity, and I told her the early days workers taught and preached the Trinity when they came to USA for 75 years and I have their sermons at conventions to prove it.... She listened to what I had to say...
Nathan, how did you get your hands on sermons from 75 years ago? The Trutharchive. One of the friends has been saving 1000s of workers sermons and stored it.
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Post by nathan on Sept 1, 2017 9:51:26 GMT -5
That is the part that I find amusing nathan, you are so quick to defend the 2x2 church, yet you didn't attend for 20 years ! Your views on a lot of things are NOT in line with the rest of the 2x2 church the Trinity for example. Your excuse for not going to meeting is exactly that an excuse and a pretty poor one at that ! But you think you can judge other people because they have left the 2x2 church ! Ros - talk about "Judge Judy" - she's nothing compared to "Judge Nate" that we've had on this thread. Nate has damned everyone that's left the 2x2 church to hell and has told us all that our names have been removed from the Lamb's book of life. I've discovered something on this thread - Nate obviously believes that he controls the Lamb's book of life. Anyway, Nate needs to read Matt 7: 1 "Do not judge or you too will be judged..." - he's been doing a lot of judging on this thread. But you've hit the nail on the head. Nate loves the 2x2 church and is its No. 1 adherent - but he didn't go to meetings for 20 years Nate thinks that TTT is rubbish - but he says he's spent 25 years studying it Nate hasn't done a lot of personal research (like going to Ireland/looking at source documents etc) on the 2x2 church - so he regularly quotes TTT - which he thinks is rubbish. **** I try to tell the truth with grace, to educate, to inform, and to sound a trumpet of warnings to people... It's up to the readers to take heed to the warnings. I am just a messenger, so please don't shoot the messeger!
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Post by snow on Sept 1, 2017 22:34:26 GMT -5
Ros - given that Facebook and "those other similar sites" have been regularly preached against, including regarded as the work of the devil, it is illusory (or perhaps delusory)for Nate to think the workers were okay with him posting on TMB for 20 years and missing meetings. How many times did we hear "meetings matter most". I'm sure it hasn't been replaced with "TMB matters most...." Well, I am still professing and still posting on TMB. I didn't become an ex-2x2 that is a good sign. So, they worry for nothing. I know about my faith in God, I guess the workers didn't.
You attended the meetings when I wasn't all those years and now you've become an ex-2x2... and I am still professing and you're not, Ross. The workers thought you were SAVED during all those years and I wasn't.... hmmmm... God SEES and KNOWS the intent the hearts of men and women.
Men and women like to judge the outward appearances but God sees and the motive of the hearts.
Last I heard you needed to attend meetings in order to profess. Isn't that what it's all about? Going to meetings on Sunday, Wednesday, Gospel Mtgs. and special Meeting and of course at least one a year, convention? I have never heard of anyone being considered as a professing friend if they never attended meetings.
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