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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 20:35:02 GMT -5
i guess this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black... You might as well argue that the police should do what they're doing without pay, because it's the right thing to do. The police are paid for the risk and time involved in their work. People who supply information often also do so at some risk to themselves, and the most important thing is that fraud is exposed, not whether they take money for helping to expose it or not. To put the moral spotlight on the person exposing it rather than the person committing the crime, is really mixed up. if you want to live with "the ends justify the means" go ahead i for one find that dangerous and deplorable...
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 29, 2017 23:05:38 GMT -5
You might as well argue that the police should do what they're doing without pay, because it's the right thing to do. The police are paid for the risk and time involved in their work. People who supply information often also do so at some risk to themselves, and the most important thing is that fraud is exposed, not whether they take money for helping to expose it or not. To put the moral spotlight on the person exposing it rather than the person committing the crime, is really mixed up. if you want to live with "the ends justify the means" go ahead i for one find that dangerous and deplorable... I will remind you Wally that at one stage you had a byline which said that no matter how fast you ran you could not outrun a bullet. That intimates to me and evry one else that you would be quite happy to shoot someone in the back. I get your morals...... charming chap......not
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 23:32:23 GMT -5
if you want to live with "the ends justify the means" go ahead i for one find that dangerous and deplorable... I will remind you Wally that at one stage you had a byline which said that no matter how fast you ran you could not outrun a bullet. That intimates to me and evry one else that you would be quite happy to shoot someone in the back. I get your morals...... charming chap......not whatever helps you sleep at night curly...
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 30, 2017 0:23:27 GMT -5
You might as well argue that the police should do what they're doing without pay, because it's the right thing to do. The police are paid for the risk and time involved in their work. People who supply information often also do so at some risk to themselves, and the most important thing is that fraud is exposed, not whether they take money for helping to expose it or not. To put the moral spotlight on the person exposing it rather than the person committing the crime, is really mixed up. if you want to live with "the ends justify the means" go ahead i for one find that dangerous and deplorable... Sounds as if you would rather "live with" knowing that someone who committed a crime be allowed to go free rather than puttng yourself in jeopardy by telling what you know that might convict them.
Really brave of you, -wally.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 0:25:44 GMT -5
if you want to live with "the ends justify the means" go ahead i for one find that dangerous and deplorable... if you want to live with "the ends justify the means" go ahead i for one find that dangerous and deplorable... Sounds as if you would rather "live with" knowing that someone who committed a crime be allowed to go free rather than puttng yourself in jeopardy by telling what you know that might convict them.
Really brave of you, -wally.
since you would be doing it for money you should think about that i on the other hand would do it for honesty and wouldn't hesitate to report a crime i saw...
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 30, 2017 0:32:19 GMT -5
Sounds as if you would rather "live with" knowing that someone who committed a crime be allowed to go free rather than puttng yourself in jeopardy by telling what you know that might convict them.
Really brave of you, -wally.
since you would be doing it for money you should think about that i on the other hand would do it for honesty and wouldn't hesitate to report a crime i saw... Wally, Why am I getting vibes that you wouldn't report it for "honesty" or "money?"
Perhaps that comes because of your quotes such as; "a betrayal for money is a betrayal for money, justified or not" and calling it "blood money."
It seemed rather obvious from the very beginning of the posts about possible money fraud by elders etc. in the 2x2's: -that you were against investigating it further.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 0:36:20 GMT -5
since you would be doing it for money you should think about that i on the other hand would do it for honesty and wouldn't hesitate to report a crime i saw... wally, Why am I getting vibes that you wouldn't report it for "honesty" or "money?"probably from hallucinations that your having...
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 30, 2017 2:44:38 GMT -5
Oh dear Ross! Yet again you are jumping to wrong conclusions. Yet again revealing your critical and harsh judgemental attitude . Please seek help or counselling from your church minister with this problem you have. You are coming across more like a Pharisee than a Christian. ....ah good to see you back again dear NZ worker. I had a dear old professing relative who used to say that sarcasm was the poorest form of wit. You are an expert in dripping sarcasm. Your NZ overseer may be able to help with the problem. www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCfa9qtlrG0Whenever I see this song it reminds me of one or two on here. Review and Wally for instance.
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Post by penguin on Jun 30, 2017 3:38:02 GMT -5
Glad of your post advising that you making investigating 2x2 finances the main focus in life for the foreseeable future. This is great work you are doing, we don't want any fraud going on amongst us. We look forward to court case and sentencing details once they hit the press. Are you expecting any cases to reach the courts this year? Said with dripping sarcasm..... I wonder if you'd be as sarcastic about people who are investigating Child Sexual Abuse in your church and supporting victims. Meanwhile the Anglican church in Britain is in turmoil because the former ARCHBISHOP of Canterbury who held the highest position has been asked to step down from his honorary bishopric www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/22/church-of-england-colluded-with-bishop-peter-ball-who-abused-boys-says-justin-welbyThings are pretty bad in the biggest protestant church if it comes to that! Ross, you have too much time on your hands, why don't you turn your attention for a moment to such high profile scandal as that
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Post by johnfields on Jun 30, 2017 5:06:06 GMT -5
You might as well argue that the police should do what they're doing without pay, because it's the right thing to do. The police are paid for the risk and time involved in their work. People who supply information often also do so at some risk to themselves, and the most important thing is that fraud is exposed, not whether they take money for helping to expose it or not. To put the moral spotlight on the person exposing it rather than the person committing the crime, is really mixed up. if you want to live with "the ends justify the means" go ahead i for one find that dangerous and deplorable... You find it deplorable to pay someone for informing me that people are being criminally defrauded? In your view it's better for people to be defrauded than for someone to receive payment for their assistance in unearthing it?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 12:04:38 GMT -5
....ah good to see you back again dear NZ worker. I had a dear old professing relative who used to say that sarcasm was the poorest form of wit. You are an expert in dripping sarcasm. Your NZ overseer may be able to help with the problem. www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCfa9qtlrG0Whenever I see this song it reminds me of one or two on here. Review and Wally for instance. that explains a lot your brain is rotting from a poor choice of music...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 12:05:55 GMT -5
if you want to live with "the ends justify the means" go ahead i for one find that dangerous and deplorable... You find it deplorable to pay someone for informing me that people are being criminally defrauded? In your view it's better for people to be defrauded than for someone to receive payment for their assistance in unearthing it? no people should do it for honesty's sake not for money...
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 30, 2017 15:55:48 GMT -5
that explains a lot your brain is rotting from a poor choice of music... Music is like chocolate, first you need to get rid of the rapper.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 5:26:13 GMT -5
Music is like a language that expresses feelings and ideas through the medium of sound and song.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 1, 2017 21:02:52 GMT -5
Music is like a language that expresses feelings and ideas through the medium of sound and song. Does rap fill the definition of music?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 1, 2017 22:42:47 GMT -5
Music is like a language that expresses feelings and ideas through the medium of sound and song. Does rap fill the definition of music? Yes, -at least I think so.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 2, 2017 1:13:11 GMT -5
It's not clear to me why the Church of England should be my concern? I can have some influence in my local church in Sydney and we have had the strongest possible child protection measures in place since the 1990's. I'm not sure where you live but has your local Head Worker put in place the strongest possible measures in place to protect children from child sexual abuse? He most certainly has. He now carries a big bucket of sand with him wherever he goes. He finds this really useful for putting his head in.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 2, 2017 3:30:01 GMT -5
I love it when the Pharisee card is trotted out. Quite a few workers have displayed it over the years. It always tells me very clearly whose authority you operate under. Oh well 'if the cap fits wear it'; love it if you wish. But really you'd be advised to seek help for your long term/chronic self harming obsession. There are therapists who would be able to help. No doubt you would be able to recommend some professional help based on your own experiences.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 2, 2017 4:02:37 GMT -5
No doubt you would be able to recommend some professional help based on your own experiences. Sorry I can't. I've never had an obsession for 15+ years that consumes me & drives me to pour out contempt and thousands of harsh judgemental posts again a Christian group of people. "Oh, -that one could only see themselves as others see them!"
Look in a mirror, review005!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 5:16:19 GMT -5
Music is like a language that expresses feelings and ideas through the medium of sound and song. Does rap fill the definition of music? In my opinion it does for those who understand and appreciate rap music.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 2, 2017 11:40:56 GMT -5
No doubt you would be able to recommend some professional help based on your own experiences. Sorry I can't. I've never had an obsession for 15+ years that consumes me & drives me to pour out contempt and thousands of harsh judgemental posts again a Christian group of people. You are an exceptional worker Review. Every single other one I know has shown their contempt for other sects in their preaching.
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Post by Grant on Jul 2, 2017 15:03:53 GMT -5
Just look at the thread with the sermon by Earnest Robinson on and you will see an example of a worker's contempt for other churches and the posts which review has deleted in the past under other names.
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Post by snow on Jul 2, 2017 17:15:28 GMT -5
Just look at the thread with the sermon by Earnest Robinson on and you will see an example of a worker's contempt for other churches and the posts which review has deleted in the past under other names. Enuf, fully understand where you are coming from. Your posts are similar, so I understand that you have no problem with Ross' outpouring of contempt, mocking, suppressed anger etc on a group of Christians. When did 2x2's start saying they are Christian? I was told to never put Christian on any school forms. I was told we were not to be associated with the false churches that call themselves Christian. In my part of the world the word was 'nondenominational'. Try spelling that in Grade one! ha! But seriously, when did the 2x2's start associating with the Christian label? Or has it always been that way down under? Maybe it was just a regional policy?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 17:32:40 GMT -5
Enuf, fully understand where you are coming from. Your posts are similar, so I understand that you have no problem with Ross' outpouring of contempt, mocking, suppressed anger etc on a group of Christians. When did 2x2's start saying they are Christian? I was told to never put Christian on any school forms. I was told we were not to be associated with the false churches that call themselves Christian. In my part of the world the word was 'nondenominational'. Try spelling that in Grade one! ha! But seriously, when did the 2x2's start associating with the Christian label? Or has it always been that way down under? Maybe it was just a regional policy? we were always told to say nondenominational christian in the PNW...it probably varies from family to family and region to region....
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Post by snow on Jul 3, 2017 14:03:12 GMT -5
When did 2x2's start saying they are Christian? I was told to never put Christian on any school forms. I was told we were not to be associated with the false churches that call themselves Christian. In my part of the world the word was 'nondenominational'. Try spelling that in Grade one! ha! But seriously, when did the 2x2's start associating with the Christian label? Or has it always been that way down under? Maybe it was just a regional policy? we were always told to say nondenominational christian in the PNW...it probably varies from family to family and region to region.... thanks Wally. I was Canadian Prairies and it was a long time ago...
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Post by johnfields on Jul 3, 2017 15:46:03 GMT -5
I was always led to believe that not only are they Christians, but all the other Christians are not Christians. This is in the UK. They always said the only name they need is "Christian", whereas the other churches have some other name and are not Christians.
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Post by johnfields on Jul 3, 2017 17:15:38 GMT -5
Your obsession has lead you to make statements even in this post that are only your incorrect personal opinion. Why labour under this fallacy? You are so far 'off beam' and incorrect that the only harm you do is to any relevance you seek to have on the forum. But you are quite entitled to make them; but just don't expect to be taken notice of or taken seriously. (except by the small clique that are of a similar mindset to you) The advice that Sydney Anglican clergymen gave Doug Parker would apply equally to you. "Leave those good people alone". But this obsession has you enslaved at present it seems. I find Ross's posts among the most insightful and interesting on this forum, so I must be one of this "small clique". I'm not speaking for Ross, but now that I know what some members of this sect are capable of, and now that I know that its leaders have repeatedly turned a blind eye to child abuse, it's quite hard to leave the subject alone. People worshipping in their homes -- great. People failing to deal with child abuse, cutting people off from friends and relatives with differing beliefs, and portraying themselves as the only true Christians with no earthly founder other than Jesus when they were actually started in 1897 by a man who was clearly a bit of a fruitcake .... not so good.
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Post by continuer on Jul 3, 2017 17:54:51 GMT -5
Sorry I can't. I've never had an obsession for 15+ years that consumes me & drives me to pour out contempt and thousands of harsh judgemental posts again a Christian group of people. My posts are not against a "Christian group of people". I have nothing against the friends at all and nothing against the workers as people. We are asked to call out false teaching and I'll continue to do that - workers teaching that they are the arbiters of God's grace is simply heresy. All based on them being God's only true servants....all based on a homeless, unmarried, same sex paired ministry when the Apostles were not homeless, were mostly married and were not same sex paired in the vast majority of cases. I'll continue to write about heretical teaching. Scripture is clear that a person's faith should not be in their church or their ministry. Workers need to stop claiming authority over God's Word. By and large I agree with what you say. For many years, I regarded the workers as "God's only true servants" which, I can see now, was a form of idolatry. But no longer. The only one I worship now is the Lord God Himself and Jesus Christ whom He has sent. Many workers I know are good honest sincere people but the living witness doctrine is nonsensical. Any emphasis on the messenger detracts from the message.
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