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Post by jondough on Jan 13, 2017 9:30:44 GMT -5
In regards to spanking; Our first child, we used only our hand, and on the rear only but he did get swats. Our other kids, we VERY rarely did that. I don't think our last one ever got spanked. I can tell you this; Spanking is not necessary. There are other ways to correct your child. Taking away privileges, etc... As society learns and develops, we have learned this...fortunetely. But at the same time.... I was whipped with the belt, paddle, wooden spoon, or whatever was handy. Never the hand...I didn't even consider that punishment. The hand didn't even hurt. I don't feel that I was physiologically affected by it. That was just the way back then. I am glad now that we have learned better ways though. Now that we know better, parents need to be responsible when they take the easy, controlling way out. Thanks for sharing Jon. You probably are not aware of the impact that the beatings you received as a child impacted you as an adult. All of those events are trauma events. It's very similar if today a man 5 times your size grabbed you and beat you with a belt the size of your head. The child's brain goes into 'fight or flight', releasing adrenaline and shutting down the frontal lobes of the brain while the lymbic system of the brain takes over. I highly encourage you to read 'The Body Keeps the Score'. And using violence to discipline children was not 'just the way back then'. Only about 30% of parents were doing this sort of thing. I know a lot of people who were never hit as children. You just have to get out of your peer group and ask. For example, my father-in-law (80 years old), told me that he and his brothers were never hit as children - and not hitting was the norm where he lived. Hitting children is not a cultural thing, it's learned behavior from generation to generation. This is true. This is all my parents knew. My dad was beat a lot worse than I was. (He was not raised 2X2 btw). He actually grew up in a very abusive environment, and ended up raising his younger siblings himself at his grandparents farm. Amazing they all turned out incredible people with really great families.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 9:46:04 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing Jon. You probably are not aware of the impact that the beatings you received as a child impacted you as an adult. All of those events are trauma events. It's very similar if today a man 5 times your size grabbed you and beat you with a belt the size of your head. The child's brain goes into 'fight or flight', releasing adrenaline and shutting down the frontal lobes of the brain while the lymbic system of the brain takes over. I highly encourage you to read 'The Body Keeps the Score'. And using violence to discipline children was not 'just the way back then'. Only about 30% of parents were doing this sort of thing. I know a lot of people who were never hit as children. You just have to get out of your peer group and ask. For example, my father-in-law (80 years old), told me that he and his brothers were never hit as children - and not hitting was the norm where he lived. Hitting children is not a cultural thing, it's learned behavior from generation to generation. This is true. This is all my parents knew. My dad was beat a lot worse than I was. (He was not raised 2X2 btw). He actually grew up in a very abusive environment, and ended up raising his younger siblings himself at his grandparents farm. Amazing they all turned out incredible people with really great families. Hitting children is not transmitted intergenerationally by instruction (that's all we knew)...No, it's transmitted intergenerationally by stunted emotional growth. Hitting a child causes the child to be angry (no surprise), but the child is not allowed by the parent to express that anger - so the child learns to repress anger. Later as an adult this repressed anger comes out in a variety of ways - one of which is the quick response when parenting to hit their own child when the child does something they don't like. Emotionally mature people are able to express anger without hitting, and even without yelling. Other ways in which this repressed anger manifests itself is in depression, quick temper, impatience, etc. I highly encourage you to think more about this issue, and you will find that you are probably in a bit of denial about just how great your families are.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 12:27:24 GMT -5
I have not seen any other coming forward with the CRAZY assumptions that you have posted on this board. If there are any that support your assumptions then they need to come forward or forever hold their peace,especially seeing a disabled child on a dog's leash at convention! The area where this happened wasn't like you 2x2s in NW US. This was a real hillbilly region. Take hillbillies and make them into 2x2s, and you get a lot of very happy behavior. I also remember so maniac with a Cessna crashing his plane during convention into the treeline on the convention grounds. Like I said, hillbillies. In which area did you grow up when you were supposedly part of the fellowship? At which convention and in what year did you see the child on a dog's leash?Are there any others that can back up you CRAZY claims on this board?
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Post by fixit on Jan 13, 2017 12:45:06 GMT -5
Does anyone else remember this or remember the family's name? I think the child had a mild mental illness. My father used to laugh about this child, and tell me that he would do it to me as well. Edit: did all conventions have a 'spanking room'? This was a building near the main meeting shed where parents could take their kids and beat them. Perhaps the "mild mental illness" was not as "mild" as you thought. Perhaps it was in the child's best interests - better for the child to be at convention on a leash than locked up in an institution.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 13:02:23 GMT -5
Does anyone else remember this or remember the family's name? I think the child had a mild mental illness. My father used to laugh about this child, and tell me that he would do it to me as well. Edit: did all conventions have a 'spanking room'? This was a building near the main meeting shed where parents could take their kids and beat them. Perhaps the "mild mental illness" was not as "mild" as you thought. Perhaps it was in the child's best interests - better for the child to be at convention on a leash than locked up in an institution. A dog leash? Seriously, you are trying to rationalize a child being put on a dog leash. This kind of thinking is exactly how children get abused.
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Post by speak on Jan 13, 2017 16:33:30 GMT -5
Simpleton, you are loosing your marbles too fast... Starting from 100 millions to 2 billions in Overseer trust fund, now it must be 2 Trillions dollars. You better stop while you have some marbles left to live the rest of your life in peace. Probably the symptoms and aftermath of a damaged childhood, who knows for certain. Be patient and compassionate. Is adult now.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 13, 2017 17:54:53 GMT -5
Perhaps the "mild mental illness" was not as "mild" as you thought. Perhaps it was in the child's best interests - better for the child to be at convention on a leash than locked up in an institution. A dog leash? Seriously, you are trying to rationalize a child being put on a dog leash. This kind of thinking is exactly how children get abused. Fixit is right ! It is not abuse!
It would ONLY be abuse it the child were tied to something & left there without being cared for. Would you rather see the child loose & running in front of a car or something else that might harm the child?
You seem to not be able to see the different reasons why certain issues happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 18:16:46 GMT -5
Probably the symptoms and aftermath of a damaged childhood, who knows for certain. Be patient and compassionate. Is adult now. Yes, and appropriately named??
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Post by Gene on Jan 13, 2017 21:53:40 GMT -5
Does anyone else remember this or remember the family's name? I think the child had a mild mental illness. My father used to laugh about this child, and tell me that he would do it to me as well. Edit: did all conventions have a 'spanking room'? This was a building near the main meeting shed where parents could take their kids and beat them. Perhaps the "mild mental illness" was not as "mild" as you thought. Perhaps it was in the child's best interests - better for the child to be at convention on a leash than locked up in an institution. Indeed. A dog collar and leash on a child is not necessarily abuse. It could be protective, and the best solution for the situation. Or not. No way to know without knowing the situation. Is it abusive to require a child to wear a bicycle helmet while biking? Is it abusive to strap a child into a child seat in the back seat of a car? Is it abusive to spike a hyperactive toddler's sippy-cup with Benadryl?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 21:57:06 GMT -5
Perhaps the "mild mental illness" was not as "mild" as you thought. Perhaps it was in the child's best interests - better for the child to be at convention on a leash than locked up in an institution. Indeed. A dog collar and leash on a child is not necessarily abuse. It could be protective, and the best solution for the situation. Or not. No way to know without knowing the situation. Is it abusive to require a child to wear a bicycle helmet while biking? Is it abusive to strap a child into a child seat in the back seat of a car? Is it abusive to spike a hyperactive toddler's sippy-cup with Benadryl? It's a choke collar. On a child. I can assure you that if a Child Services agent or a police officer saw that, the parent would be in handcuffs immediately. You should probably read up on abuse legislation. It's changed quite a bit since you were a child.
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Post by Gene on Jan 14, 2017 8:01:34 GMT -5
Indeed. A dog collar and leash on a child is not necessarily abuse. It could be protective, and the best solution for the situation. Or not. No way to know without knowing the situation. Is it abusive to require a child to wear a bicycle helmet while biking? Is it abusive to strap a child into a child seat in the back seat of a car? Is it abusive to spike a hyperactive toddler's sippy-cup with Benadryl? It's a choke collar. On a child. I can assure you that if a Child Services agent or a police officer saw that, the parent would be in handcuffs immediately. You should probably read up on abuse legislation. It's changed quite a bit since you were a child. Choke collars are abusive even to animals, let alone children. I would advise those parents to use a break-away collar, which is what I use on mine. (Bonus points for the grammatically imaginative: Which noun serves as the antecedent to the possessive personal pronoun "mine?" A. Animals B. Children C. Parents)
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Post by jetmech on Jan 14, 2017 10:24:49 GMT -5
Simpleton why did you become Catholic? Just curious .... if you're so happy as a Catholic why are you still thinking about the two X two fellowship?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 11:06:37 GMT -5
Simpleton why did you become Catholic? Just curious .... if you're so happy as a Catholic why are you still thinking about the two X two fellowship? I believe Simpleton is no longer able to post on here for awhile.Sorry NathanB old boy. I've been busy reading the exploits of Valient Thor and The Harem of 2x2 Vestal Virgins. It's a really nice story. Especially how it ends. Thanks for sharing it with me Nathan.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 11:15:03 GMT -5
Sorry NathanB old boy. I've been busy reading the exploits of Valient Thor and The Harem of 2x2 Vestal Virgins. It's a really nice story. Especially how it ends. Thanks for sharing it with me Nathan. Well, I thought the Adm. sends you on a vacation from posting here but you're still here. Be very careful what you're posting, Simpleton, you might not get second chance next time.I see that you were forced to take down many of those threats you posted about me on this forum. Will you also take down those threats you have about me on your personal website? I can't understand why you waste so much time trying to attack me. If you continue with this slander, I will have my attorneys file a claim with the courts against you for libel. You have been warned.
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Post by jigpeter on Jan 14, 2017 11:15:30 GMT -5
Does anyone else remember this or remember the family's name? I think the child had a mild mental illness. My father used to laugh about this child, and tell me that he would do it to me as well. Edit: did all conventions have a 'spanking room'? This was a building near the main meeting shed where parents could take their kids and beat them. I know at least one of the conventions my family regularly attended had a room where parents could take their misbehaving children but still hear the service through a speaker system. Not necessarily a spanking room, but I don't think many of the people at convention would object to spanking -- I was spanked occasionally as a young child. Some of my friends' parents used whips or belts, whereas mine usually used just their hands, so I felt somewhat lucky. Did spanking have a negative effect on me? I don't really think so. Positive? Perhaps, in that it caused me to obey my parents -- though that may have been as much out of fear rather than respect or a thoughtful assessment of the reasons why my parents didn't want me to do something. My sister was spanked, too, but she has never been as quick to bend to my parents' will as I. I'm not quick to call spanking abuse, especially considering the good intentions of my parents, but if I have children in the future, I intend to keep physical punishment to a minimum and try to find alternatives.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 11:22:30 GMT -5
Does anyone else remember this or remember the family's name? I think the child had a mild mental illness. My father used to laugh about this child, and tell me that he would do it to me as well. Edit: did all conventions have a 'spanking room'? This was a building near the main meeting shed where parents could take their kids and beat them. I know at least one of the conventions my family regularly attended had a room where parents could take their misbehaving children but still hear the service through a speaker system. Not necessarily a spanking room, but I don't think many of the people at convention would object to spanking -- I was spanked occasionally as a young child. Some of my friends' parents used whips or belts, whereas mine usually used just their hands, so I felt somewhat lucky. Did spanking have a negative effect on me? I don't really think so. Positive? Perhaps, in that it caused me to obey my parents -- though that may have been as much out of fear rather than respect or a thoughtful assessment of the reasons why my parents didn't want me to do something. My sister was spanked, too, but she has never been as quick to bend to my parents' will as I. I'm not quick to call spanking abuse, especially considering the good intentions of my parents, but if I have children in the future, I intend to keep physical punishment to a minimum and try to find alternatives. Thanks for sharing. Spanking is illegal in 47 countries for a reason. Spanking has been proven to be an extremely ineffective form of discipline for a child, not only that but it traumatizes the child. Many people who were spanked as children have negative psychological attributes directly related to the spanking, attributes which they don't even recognize as unhealthy because those attributes are so prevalent in our society. I used to think the spanking I was the victim of had no effect on me as a person, but as I studied the issue I realized it had a very large impact on me in negative ways. The issue of spanking isn't really debated any longer among child development experts - it's widely held to be a bad thing (hence why it is illegal). In particular, it has a high correlation with violent crime later in life. Studies have shown that spanking basically doesn't work: It can not only impair a child's IQ and their overall ability to learn, but it can also lead to low self esteem, aggressive behaviors and substance abuse and addiction problems in later years. According to a June 2016 study that appeared in the Journal of Family Psychology, more than five decades of research revealed that children who were spanked were more likely to encounter mental health and cognitive difficulties and obstacles, become anti-social and introverted, and were more likely to defy their parents.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 11:30:32 GMT -5
I see that you were forced to take down many of those threats you posted about me on this forum. Will you also take down those threats you have about me on your personal website? I can't understand why you waste so much time trying to attack me. If you continue with this slander, I will have my attorneys file a claim with the courts against you for libel. You have been warned. Well, stop saying outlandish, untruth information about the overseers, and the friends.... What are you talking about threats on my personal website? Can you show me where you read this on my website?
You better watch out yourself, accusing the overseers with false information such as money laundering, sex trade, cheating the IRS, selling drugs, their lawyers might sent you to court and jail for libel. They have many of your threads on here to prove it.
Nathan, you have a very messed up understanding of this. How can I be slandering the "Workers" when there are no "Workers". Same goes for 'Overseers'. There is no legal entity which I am talking about. There are no employees of this non-existent legal entity, so how can there be 'Workers' or 'Overseers'. I never named a single person. If the 'Workers' or 'Overseers' tried to sue me, they would have to do it as legal representatives of a legal entity - which they are not. And if they created a legal entity do do that, then immediately all the victims of child sexual assault could sue that legal entity. So you see, they are in a Catch-22 of their own making.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 11:38:55 GMT -5
Nathan, you have a very messed up understanding of this. How can I be slandering the "Workers" when there are no "Workers". Same goes for 'Overseers'. There is no legal entity which I am talking about. There are no employees of this non-existent legal entity, so how can there be 'Workers' or 'Overseers'. I never named a single person. If the 'Workers' or 'Overseers' tried to sue me, they would have to do it as legal representatives of a legal entity - which they are not. And if they created a legal entity do do that, then immediately all the victims of child sexual assault could sue that legal entity. So you see, they are in a Catch-22 of their own making. You see some countries they are legal entity... Those overseers can go after you for libel.The 'Overseers' of the 2x2 Church??? I haven't seen that legal entity anywhere. I realize that I am giving you a lesson in litigation, but perhaps you will start to understand who you are dealing with.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 11:43:05 GMT -5
The 'Overseers' of the 2x2 Church??? I haven't seen that legal entity anywhere. I realize that I am giving you a lesson in litigation, but perhaps you will start to understand who you are dealing with. You see some countries they are legal entities and they have attorney/lawyers... Those overseers can go after you for libel. If you are so brave and believe your accusations are true about the overseers, post under your REAL name, and see what happens to you.
You're so chicken that we don't even know whether you are a man or a woman. Post under your real name, Simpleton... I dare you.
If you post under your real name, I will consider doing the same. Is your real name Valient Thor of Pipsqueakan?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 11:47:30 GMT -5
If you post under your real name, I will consider doing the same. You post with your REAL name, so we can verify who you're for REAL then I post under my real name. Is that a deal?My real name is Simpleton Simpleton. My parents gave me this name when I was born. They thought they were being cute, I guess. Ok, now what is your real name?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 11:52:40 GMT -5
hahahaha... you chicken.... You wish you look like her! I know who she is and you are NOT her. You're a man. Nathan AKA Valient Thor, you have reneged on our bargain. That's dishonest. Are all 2x2s as dishonest as you?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 12:03:42 GMT -5
Nathan AKA Valient Thor, you have reneged on our bargain. That's dishonest. Are all 2x2s as dishonest as you? How much money did you pay for that sex changed operation? from a man to look that good? 100 millions dollars?Nathan, you know those sorts of accusations are very mean-spirited. Is that the sort of behavior that all 2x2's exhibit? Are all 2x2s this nasty? I am surprised. Where are the fruits of the Spirit? Have your fruits gone rotten? Are you the seed that landed on hard soil? Nathan, you should reread the story of Valient Thor again. There is a lot of wisdom in that story about how to behave. Especially how to treat nice women like myself. In the beginning I might have even went out for coffee with you to hear more about the great Valient Thor, but now with all these horrible things you say about me, I just can't.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 12:06:36 GMT -5
Nathan AKA Valient Thor, you have reneged on our bargain. That's dishonest. Are all 2x2s as dishonest as you? How much money did you pay for that first sex changed operation to look like that model? from a man to look that good? 100 millions dollars? What you had another SEX changed now you look so different from the first picture you posted. I forget that model name, your 1st picture looks exactly like her.
Simpleton, you are a piece of work. Who are you trying to deceive here?
Nathan, I only updated my avatar photo. I am not posting different photos of myself. Is there something wrong with your computer? Are you sure you are on the TMB and not some other site with lots of photos of women? You mention models and sex, so I am pretty sure you are on another site. Please keep the TMB clean Nathan. We are not all 2x2s here, and so we have some moral codes about that sort of stuff. Please be respectful.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 12:16:28 GMT -5
Nathan, you know those sorts of accusations are very mean-spirited. Is that the sort of behavior that all 2x2's exhibit? Are all 2x2s this nasty? I am surprised. Where are the fruits of the Spirit? Have your fruits gone rotten? Are you the seed that landed on hard soil? Nathan, you should reread the story of Valient Thor again. There is a lot of wisdom in that story about how to behave. Especially how to treat nice women like myself. In the beginning I might have even went out for coffee with you to hear more about the great Valient Thor, but now with all these horrible things you say about me, I just can't. I want to expose your lies... you posted the first picture of a famous American model claim to be you! then once you realized you got caught in the act, then you changed your picture profile right away! to someone else.Valient Thor of Pipsqueakan, Please stop with all these lies and 2x2 double speak. It's hurting my feelings. You were warned about making threats on this forum before.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 12:25:38 GMT -5
Valient Thor of Pipsqueakan, Please stop with all these lies and 2x2 double speak. It's hurting my feelings. You were warned about making threats on this forum before. The truth hurts, simpleton... You're so dishonest about yourself and a deceiver... The readers can see you through and through by now.Valient Thor of Pipsqueakan, Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Get thee behind me Satan.
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Post by Gene on Jan 14, 2017 12:27:16 GMT -5
Does anyone else remember this or remember the family's name? I think the child had a mild mental illness. My father used to laugh about this child, and tell me that he would do it to me as well. Edit: did all conventions have a 'spanking room'? This was a building near the main meeting shed where parents could take their kids and beat them. I know at least one of the conventions my family regularly attended had a room where parents could take their misbehaving children but still hear the service through a speaker system. Not necessarily a spanking room, but I don't think many of the people at convention would object to spanking -- I was spanked occasionally as a young child. Some of my friends' parents used whips or belts, whereas mine usually used just their hands, so I felt somewhat lucky. Did spanking have a negative effect on me? I don't really think so. Positive? Perhaps, in that it caused me to obey my parents -- though that may have been as much out of fear rather than respect or a thoughtful assessment of the reasons why my parents didn't want me to do something. My sister was spanked, too, but she has never been as quick to bend to my parents' will as I. I'm not quick to call spanking abuse, especially considering the good intentions of my parents, but if I have children in the future, I intend to keep physical punishment to a minimum and try to find alternatives. We workers affectionately called it "The Bawlroom"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 12:49:00 GMT -5
I know at least one of the conventions my family regularly attended had a room where parents could take their misbehaving children but still hear the service through a speaker system. Not necessarily a spanking room, but I don't think many of the people at convention would object to spanking -- I was spanked occasionally as a young child. Some of my friends' parents used whips or belts, whereas mine usually used just their hands, so I felt somewhat lucky. Did spanking have a negative effect on me? I don't really think so. Positive? Perhaps, in that it caused me to obey my parents -- though that may have been as much out of fear rather than respect or a thoughtful assessment of the reasons why my parents didn't want me to do something. My sister was spanked, too, but she has never been as quick to bend to my parents' will as I. I'm not quick to call spanking abuse, especially considering the good intentions of my parents, but if I have children in the future, I intend to keep physical punishment to a minimum and try to find alternatives. We workers affectionately called it "The Bawlroom" I just want to point out how pervasive physical abuse of children is in 2x2ism, that 2x2 ministers would be joking about things like this. Things which are illegal, let alone horribly immoral. I know for a fact, and it has been confirmed on this thread, that 2x2 ministers encouraged 2x2 members to physically abuse their children.
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Post by Gene on Jan 14, 2017 12:54:48 GMT -5
We workers affectionately called it "The Bawlroom" I just want to point out how pervasive physical abuse of children is in 2x2ism, that 2x2 ministers would be joking about things like this. Things which are illegal, let alone horribly immoral. I know for a fact, and it has been confirmed on this thread, that 2x2 ministers encouraged 2x2 members to physically abuse their children. Bawling is illegal? Source: www.google.com/search?q=bawling&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8bawl bôl/ verb gerund or present participle: bawling 1. shout or call out noisily and unrestrainedly. "“Move!” bawled the drill sergeant" synonyms: shout, yell, roar, bellow, screech, scream, shriek, howl, whoop, bark, trumpet, thunder; More informalyammer, holler "“Come on!” he bawled" antonyms: whisper 2. weep or cry noisily. "she began to bawl like a child" synonyms: cry, sob, weep, shed tears, wail, whine, howl, squall; rareululate "the children continued to bawl" Origin late Middle English (in the sense ‘(of an animal) howl, bark’): imitative.
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