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Ok so I removed the quotes of the "active Christianity church" since I do feel I don't want to quote them on things that I don't have full understanding of myself. I just know that God will reveal to me in His time if in deed Jesus=God and God= Jesus.
1 John 2:22-23 "Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also."
1 John 4:2-3 "By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world."
2 John 1:7 "For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 8:59:58 GMT -5
Verse after verse makes it clear that God,Jesus and the Holy Spirit is separate beings but can live in one another and in us by means above the human understanding.And Jesus clearly states in the verse quoted below that God is greater than He is.
John 14:23New International Version (NIV)
23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.
John 14:28New International Version (NIV)
28 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
Quoted from:activechristianity.org/is-the-holy-trinity-biblically-correct/
"It is written about Jesus in Colossians 1:15, “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.” This shows clearly that God created Jesus; hence the names “the Father” and “the Son.” The very nature of being a father and a son means that they are two separate beings.
Jesus also says in Matthew 19:17 “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.” We can clearly see that Jesus did not think of Himself as being God.
There are many other verses where God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit refer to each other or are referred to as separate beings, having separate tasks in heaven and on earth. Read John 5:19, John 6:38, John 14:28, John 17, 1 Corinthians 11:3, Acts 7:55, amongst others."
At this stage I believe in God,Holy Spirit and Jesus being separate beings as supported by the Bible.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 10:17:53 GMT -5
So I removed the quotes again from the "active christian church" but the verses from the Bible(God's word) will still be backing up my believe in that Jesus is not the same being as God or the Holy Spirit until God reveals it differently to me.
• Matthew 3:16-17; 8:29; 11:27; 12:18; 14:33; 16:16-17; 17:5; 27:54 • Mark 5:7; 15:39 • Luke 1:32; 1:35; 8:28; 9:35; 10:22 • John 1:13; 1:18; 1:34; 1:49; 3:16; 5:19-23; 5:37; 6:40; 6:69; 8:18; 8:42; 10:15; 10:36; 11:4; 12:49-50; 14:13; 14:23; 14:28; 16:17; 17:1-16; 20:17; 20:31 • Acts 2:22-24; 3:13; 3:26; 9:20 • Romans 1:4; 5:10; 8:29 • 1 Corinthians 11:3; 15:28 • 2 Corinthians 1:19 • Galatians 4:4 • Philippians 2:9 • Colossians 1:13 • 1 Thessalonians 1:10 • 1 Timothy 2:5 • Hebrews 1:2; 2:9; 4:14; 5:7-8 • 1 Peter 1:3 • 2 Peter 1:17 • 1 John 1:3; 2:22; 3:23; 4:10; 4:14-15; 5:11-12 • 2 John 1:9 • Revelation 2:18
• Matthew 3:16-17; 8:29; 11:27; 12:18; 14:33; 16:16; 17:5; 27:54 • Mark 5:7; 15:39 • Luke 1:32; 8:28; 9:35; 10:22 • John 1:18; 1:34; 1:49; 3:16; 5:19-23; 6:40; 6:69; 8:42; 10:15; 11:4; 12:49-50; 14:13; 14:23; 14:28; 16:17; 17:1-26 • Acts 2:22-24; 3:13; 3:26; 9:20 • Romans 1:4; 5:10; 8:13; 8:29-32 • 1 Corinthians 11:3; 15:28 • 2 Corinthians 1:19 • Galatians 4:4 • Colossians 1:13 • 1 Thessalonians 1:10 • Hebrews 1:2; 4:14; 5:8; 7:3; 11:17 • 2 Peter 1:17 • 1 John 1:3; 1:22; 3:23; 4:10; 4:14-15; 5:6; 5:11-12 • 2 John 1:9 • Revelation 2:8
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Dec 15, 2016 10:48:04 GMT -5
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Post by Grant on Dec 15, 2016 10:48:04 GMT -5
I serve a risen Savior not a dead one. Jesus came alive in case you didn't know. Do you know of anyone who came alive after 3 days. Kind of makes his sacrifice nothing according to you.
What mere man do you know who was born of a virgin, died and rose again after 3 days. Jesus was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of man. He left his glory to come to earth and has taken it back again. While on earth he lived as a man. What man has never sinned?
He was the Son but proved the full extent of who he was. God with us. God and man. The sinless one. The alpha and omega. To the Son the Father said Thy throne oh God is forever and ever. Heb 1.
The Brunstad Christian Church as per your link, is highly questionable, no wonder not many people are falling for them. Rules especially around women who are under submission to men, must have long hair, have her hair covered, are to keep quiet etc etc. A controlling male dominated church for men who like that kind of thing.
A worldwide non denominational church. Who are they trying to kid. Its a denomination in every sense of the word. It has all the marks of a cult.
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Post by emy on Dec 15, 2016 17:19:15 GMT -5
Enuf and Nate...
The pertinent info is the scripture references. They are from the BIBLE! What difference does it make which website umfolozi found them on?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 7:12:52 GMT -5
Enuf and Nate... The pertinent info is the scripture references. They are from the BIBLE! What difference does it make which website umfolozi found them on? Thanks emy,exactly!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 7:25:31 GMT -5
I just read the gospel of John this morning John 14-17,John 17:21" That they all may be one;as thou,Father,art in me,and I in thee,that they also may be one in us:that the world may believe that thou has sent me."These verses from the Bible and also all the rest that were all ready mentioned makes it CLEAR that God,Jesus and the Holy Spirit are different beings but can be in each other.Because Jesus can be in God it doesn't make Him God and because we can be in them doesn't make us God or Jesus. Jesus said in John 14:28 "...I go unto the Father:for my Father is greater than I."
And then we have to be careful because if we deny the Son we don't have the Father and are then indeed antichrist's.
1 John 2:18-19 "Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have arisen; from this we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, in order that it might be shown that they all are not of us."
1 John 2:22-23 "Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also."
1 John 4:2-3 "By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world."
2 John 1:7 "For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist."
So if the trinity doctrine doesn't agree with thee above it is false according to the Bible I read.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 7:35:21 GMT -5
Here's a few others I found 1. Father = Moninity 2. Father and the Son = Biinity 3. God, Lord and Heavenly Father = Trinity 1 4. Father, Son and Holy Ghost = Trinity 2 5. Spirit, Water, and the Blood = Trinity 3 6. Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost = Trinity 4 7. The spirit and soul and body = Trinity 5 8. The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob = Trinity 6 9. Father, Son and Mary = Muslim Trinity 7 10. The one, the intellect and the soul = Greek Trinity 8 11. God, Lord and Heavenly Father = Trinity 9 12. Father, Son, Holy Ghost and The Word = Quadinity 13. Father, Son, Holy Ghost, The Word and the Blood = Pentinity 14. Father, Son, Holy Ghost, The Word, the Blood and the Water = Hexinity 15. Father, Son, Holy Ghost, The Word, the Blood, the Water and God's servants = Heptatinity 16. Father, Son, Holy Ghost, The Word, the Blood, the Water, God’s servants and the disciples = Octoinity 17. The unnamed "sons" of God = Anonymity
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 7:48:20 GMT -5
Here's a few others I found 1. Father = Moninity 2. Father and the Son = Biinity 3. God, Lord and Heavenly Father = Trinity 1 4. Father, Son and Holy Ghost = Trinity 2 5. Spirit, Water, and the Blood = Trinity 3 6. Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost = Trinity 4 7. The spirit and soul and body = Trinity 5 8. The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob = Trinity 6 9. Father, Son and Mary = Muslim Trinity 7 10. The one, the intellect and the soul = Greek Trinity 8 11. God, Lord and Heavenly Father = Trinity 9 12. Father, Son, Holy Ghost and The Word = Quadinity 13. Father, Son, Holy Ghost, The Word and the Blood = Pentinity 14. Father, Son, Holy Ghost, The Word, the Blood and the Water = Hexinity 15. Father, Son, Holy Ghost, The Word, the Blood, the Water and God's servants = Heptatinity 16. Father, Son, Holy Ghost, The Word, the Blood, the Water, God’s servants and the disciples = Octoinity 17. The unnamed "sons" of God = Anonymity Give me verses out of the Bible,thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 7:49:21 GMT -5
Give me one verse for "trinity" thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 7:51:58 GMT -5
Give me one verse for "trinity" thanks. Burt I must have misunderstood you,got to go, will read yours again dv.
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The 2nd century apostles....From A Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs by David W. Bercot Hippolytus (205 A.D.) "Go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." By this, He showed that whoever omits any one of them, fails in glorifying God perfectly. For it is through the TRINITY that the Father is glorified. For the Father willed, the Son did, and the Spirit manifested. Tertullian (212 A.D.) For the very church itself is properly and principally the Spirit Himself, in whom is the TRINITY of the One Divinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Cyprian (250 A.D.) Observing the third, sixth, and nineth month for a sacrament of the TRINITY, which was to be manifested in the last times. For the first hour in its progress to the third declared the completed number of the TRINITY. The TRINITY names of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.The Word of God (Christ) the SonJohn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and Word was with God, and the Word was God.Revelation 19:13 He/Jesus was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called the Word of God.Many of the early apostolic fathers below studied under John apostle and other apostles in the 1st century! They had received their understanding and revelation of the Godhead.~~ Ignatius (105 A.D.) Jesus Christ, His Son, is His Eternal Word. The Son did NOT proceed from silence. He is all things pleased Him who SENT Him. ~~ Justin Martyr (160 A.D.) The Word himself who took shape and became a MAN, was called Jesus Christ. The first power after God the Father, and Lord of ALL is the Word, who is also the Son. ~~ Irenaeus (180 A.D.) NOT one of the created and subjects things shall ever be compared to the Word of God, by whom ALL things were MADE, who is our Lord Jesus Christ.
~~ Victorius (280 A.D.) The author of the whole creation is Jesus. His name is the Word. For thus His Father says: "My heart has emitted a good Word." (Psalm 44) Therefore, John the apostle says, "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God." Hey Nathan,thanks for all the info but I truly don't have the time to go through it now.I do believe that God will reveal to me things if He wants me to believe differently, in His time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 11:20:37 GMT -5
Hey Nathan,thanks for all the info but I truly don't have the time to go through it now.I do believe that God will reveal to me things if He wants me to believe differently, in His time. You're welcome, please study, PRAY to God the Father and Christ the Lord/God our Savior to reveal these things to you, it will be an awesome experience once, you SEE and Understand who Jesus really WAS and IS...~~ SharonW. wrote: You're absolutely right, Nathan! Jesus, God the Son is such an awesome Almighty One! It still amazes me to think I'd gone nearly 60 yrs. reading the bible very faithfully and NEVER got that for myself! Strange that, eh? I pray for those in the fellowship still, that they can come to that maturity of understanding about our Beloved Lord! I think that they are missing something totally OUT OF THIS WORLD! Simply because the majority of them have LITTLE idea about who Jesus really is! O What A Savior! I had hardly ever heard of the concept except in a table discussion back when I was about 4 or 5 yrs. old. A number of workers and our family sharing a meal together.
My Gram having been raised a Baptist, knew what the Trinity concept was. It was brought into discussion and the older workers exclaimed that the doctrine was a heresy! I never heard of the concept again until coming on TMB. Nathan wrote an extensive explanation with scripture backing of what the Trinity means and is...it was almost beyond my comprehension! I became troubled that this was beyond my comprehension so much so, that I prayed to God that "IF HE thought it necessary for me to understand the Trinity, then would HE PLEASE reveal it to me." I left it there and after some time, it begin to come to me at another time of prayer like a light from heaven! The joy of that understanding of my Lord is beyond another imagination, comprehension.... YES! God revealed it to me! Jesus is the most wonderful awesome King of Kings and Lord of Lords and HE died for me! Hallelujah! And I was professing when this happened!
I believed in the Trinity while I was still professing! After I'd studied Jesus Christ for about 3 years and had some long arguments with Nathan and Stanne here on TMB with Scott sometimes putting a bit of information in the kettle, I had to realize that all that Nathan and Stanne were saying about the Trinity was definitely in the bible even thought the word "Trinity" wasn't! As time passed and more realization of what the Trinity was all about, and I'll say we that do believe are always gaining more insight into it as we go on and maturity of using the word of God (the bible) feeding on the "meat of the word" that it is certainly like most of mankind throughout the ages that as each generation lives and dies the more understanding of the heavenly God has come into the minds of that generation.
So I feel that ignorance and misunderstanding is what's keeping most in the 2x2 from accepting or knowing the Trinity= Triune God concept!Thanks Nathan,I will do so,appreciated what you quoted too.So glad for the Holy Spirit that can and will guide us in all things!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 11:38:10 GMT -5
I serve a risen Savior not a dead one. Jesus came alive in case you didn't know. Do you know of anyone who came alive after 3 days. Kind of makes his sacrifice nothing according to you. What mere man do you know who was born of a virgin, died and rose again after 3 days. Jesus was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of man. He left his glory to come to earth and has taken it back again. While on earth he lived as a man. What man has never sinned? He was the Son but proved the full extent of who he was. God with us. God and man. The sinless one. The alpha and omega. To the Son the Father said Thy throne oh God is forever and ever. Heb 1. The Brunstad Christian Church as per your link, is highly questionable, no wonder not many people are falling for them. Rules especially around women who are under submission to men, must have long hair, have her hair covered, are to keep quiet etc etc. A controlling male dominated church for men who like that kind of thing. A worldwide non denominational church. Who are they trying to kid. Its a denomination in every sense of the word. It has all the marks of a cult. Your sarcasm is a shame for someone that proclaims to be a child of God.
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Dec 21, 2016 12:10:45 GMT -5
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Post by Grant on Dec 21, 2016 12:10:45 GMT -5
I was responding to the quotes that you posted from that churches website but I see you have removed them.
People who challenge what you quoted are accused of sarcasm? I could say what you posted was sarcastic. Mine was not meant to be, sorry if it came across that way.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 13:58:38 GMT -5
I was responding to the quotes that you posted from that churches website but I see you have removed them. People who challenge what you quoted are accused of sarcasm? I could say what you posted was sarcastic. Mine was not meant to be, sorry if it came across that way. Nope I don't mind people challenging me but if they do it needs to be backed up by the Bible and I have not seen any Bible quotes yet that would suggest that God is Jesus or Jesus is God or the Holy Spirit is God. Man's wisdom leads into a maize.I will tell you what is sarcastic and just plain unconsidered of you are these words. "I serve a risen Savior not a dead one. Jesus came alive in case you didn't know. Do you know of anyone who came alive after 3 days. Kind of makes his sacrifice nothing according to you.
Yes, my Bible say's Jesus(not God) came alive after 3 day's. My believe that Jesus,God and the Holy Spirit is different beings(backed up by the Bible I read) doesn't mean: 1) I have no appreciation for His sacrifice. 2) That I didn't know Jesus was resurrected from the grave.
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Post by sunshine on Nov 3, 2020 9:53:12 GMT -5
Yes, they are 3 separate beings, but they are also 1 complete being. That's the trinity. We dont have anything like that on earth, so we dont have anything to compare it to with human thinking. The only thing I can think of that's similar is that it's like we each are body, spirit, soul, but yet one being.
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Post by nathan on Nov 3, 2020 10:02:46 GMT -5
Yes, they are 3 separate beings, but they are also 1 complete being. That's the trinity. We dont have anything like that on earth, so we dont have anything to compare it to with human thinking. The only thing I can think of that's similar is that it's like we each are body, spirit, soul, but yet one being. Yes, I agree 3 separate beings= God the Father, Christ the Lord God our Savior who died for our sins, and the Holy Spirit is our Teacher, Guide and Protector on earth. Just like a human family it has a Father, a Mother, and the children... ONE Family but many members in the Family.
3 Supreme beings but ONE Godhead= Family of God consists of God the Father, Christ, the Holy Spirit, the angels, and the SAVED humans their children.
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Post by Annan on Nov 3, 2020 11:08:30 GMT -5
Yes, they are 3 separate beings, but they are also 1 complete being. That's the trinity. We dont have anything like that on earth, so we dont have anything to compare it to with human thinking. The only thing I can think of that's similar is that it's like we each are body, spirit, soul, but yet one being. Yes, I agree 3 separate beings= God the Father, Christ the Lord God our Savior who died for our sins, and the Holy Spirit is our Teacher, Guide and Protector on earth. Just like a human family it has a Father, a Mother, and the children... ONE Family but many members in the Family.
3 Supreme beings but ONE Godhead= Family of God consists of God the Father, Christ, the Holy Spirit, the angels, and the SAVED humans their children.No. One godhead would mean equal partners. God is the supreme being. Jesus and the HS are not God's equal, but under the control of God. The idea of a trinity doesn't make sense.
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Post by nathan on Nov 3, 2020 12:43:34 GMT -5
Yes, I agree 3 separate beings= God the Father, Christ the Lord God our Savior who died for our sins, and the Holy Spirit is our Teacher, Guide and Protector on earth. Just like a human family it has a Father, a Mother, and the children... ONE Family but many members in the Family.
3 Supreme beings but ONE Godhead= Family of God consists of God the Father, Christ, the Holy Spirit, the angels, and the SAVED humans their children. No. One godhead would mean equal partners. God is the supreme being. Jesus and the HS are not God's equal, but under the control of God. The idea of a trinity doesn't make sense. *** God the Father, and Christ the Lord God our Savior are the Creators and Co-eternal and Co-equal. Jesus said My Father and I are one in harmony, and in unity... They share all things together whatever belongs to the Father, the Son/Christ has the full access to it. 3 supreme beings are ALL equal but each has a special role to play in our Salvation. God the Father is the MOST High God; Christ/God came down from heaven to die for our sins and God the Holy Spirit to carry on the gospel of Christ on earth with God's true servants and people on earth. Just like the humans families, the fathers, the mothers and the children are all humans DNA but each has different responsibilities to fill as families members.
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Post by Annan on Nov 3, 2020 17:23:57 GMT -5
No. One godhead would mean equal partners. God is the supreme being. Jesus and the HS are not God's equal, but under the control of God. The idea of a trinity doesn't make sense. *** God the Father, and Christ the Lord God our Savior are the Creators and Co-eternal and Co-equal. Jesus said My Father and I are one in harmony, and in unity... They share all things together whatever belongs to the Father, the Son/Christ has the full access to it. 3 supreme beings are ALL equal but each has a special role to play in our Salvation. God the Father is the MOST High God; Christ/God came down from heaven to die for our sins and God the Holy Spirit to carry on the gospel of Christ on earth with God's true servants and people on earth.
Just like the humans families, the fathers, the mothers and the children are all humans DNA but each has different responsibilities to fill as families members.*** Your reasoning is flawed. Fathers and mothers and children are not equal. They do not have the same equal weight as family members. Children need to be cared for by the mothers and fathers. Mothers do the nurturing while fathers work to support the family. Try again.
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Post by nathan on Nov 3, 2020 18:03:37 GMT -5
*** God the Father, and Christ the Lord God our Savior are the Creators and Co-eternal and Co-equal. Jesus said My Father and I are one in harmony, and in unity... They share all things together whatever belongs to the Father, the Son/Christ has the full access to it. 3 supreme beings are ALL equal but each has a special role to play in our Salvation. God the Father is the MOST High God; Christ/God came down from heaven to die for our sins and God the Holy Spirit to carry on the gospel of Christ on earth with God's true servants and people on earth.
Just like the humans families, the fathers, the mothers and the children are all humans DNA but each has different responsibilities to fill as families members.*** Your reasoning is flawed. Fathers and mothers and children are not equal. They do not have the same equal weight as family members. Children need to be cared for by the mothers and fathers. Mothers do the nurturing while fathers work to support the family. Try again. ** They are equal as humans beings DNA but NOT in talents and responsibilities. Godhead are all equal as God/Spirit but each has different roles to Redeem in our Salvation.
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Post by joanna on Nov 3, 2020 18:09:11 GMT -5
Grant. Recommend watching this.
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