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Post by LITTLEPADDY on Oct 8, 2016 18:26:28 GMT -5
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Post by whiterabbit on Oct 9, 2016 6:44:15 GMT -5
Its ABOUT TIME SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED YEARS AGO ,BUT ROLL ON NOVEMBER. PITY AND SAD THE DAMAGE DONE TO FAMILIES
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Post by LITTLEPADDY on Oct 10, 2016 9:43:07 GMT -5
Yes many & much would have been saved if dealt with years ago Hope it is considered when being sentenced that his victims and all those affected by his actions who are secondary victims have been sentenced by him to LIFE OF TORTURE WITH NO REPRIEVE
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Post by LITTLEPADDY on Oct 24, 2016 18:29:06 GMT -5
SAD THIS SUBJECT DOES NOT GET MORE SUPPORT AND THE VICTIMS OF THIS EX WORKERS ABUSE HAVE TO DAILY SUFFER ON AND TRY AND KEEP GOING WITH ALL THE TRAUMA So true - Just because he has pleaded Guilty doesn't mean his victims are any less hurt or suffering any less Noel has destroyed lives and not only the lives of his victims. He stood up and preached LOVE but didn't practice what he preached - of course he did in some home - Part time Christian What has changed - LOVE is preached but NOT PRACTICED towards certain people as well as the victims who have had their hearts torn to shreds - of course practiced when in some homes towards some people I'm sorry and hurt to say The Banner has many cuts and has worn thin in places many places The Victims are present tense Not past tense Are they not suffering enough without the workers rubbing the Salt of Neglect into their seeping wounds I care and am thinking of you all I know this is small comforted but there are many that do - Have to admit I was never told by a worker that they cared
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 15:21:08 GMT -5
So true - Just because he has pleaded Guilty doesn't mean his victims are any less hurt or suffering any less Noel has destroyed lives and not only the lives of his victims. He stood up and preached LOVE but didn't practice what he preached - of course he did in some home - Part time Christian What has changed - LOVE is preached but NOT PRACTICED towards certain people as well as the victims who have had their hearts torn to shreds - of course practiced when in some homes towards some people I'm sorry and hurt to say The Banner has many cuts and has worn thin in places many places The Victims are present tense Not past tense Are they not suffering enough without the workers rubbing the Salt of Neglect into their seeping wounds I care and am thinking of you all I know this is small comforted but there are many that do - Have to admit I was never told by a worker that they cared Has the Head Worker ever apologised for the pain and suffering that Noel Tanner caused and for not handing him over to authorities sooner. If someone has the contact details for the Head Worker in Ireland it would be good to send him an open letter. Hmm. You'll recall that I called for a public apology from the Irish head worker in the immediate aftermath of the verdict. However you immediately undermined this by responding with a call for ALL head workers and senior workers WORLDWIDE to make an apology for ALL acts of CSA thereby deflecting the focus away from this particular case and deflecting responsibility away from those responsible for the failings connected with it. An untimely, unhelpful and inexplicable diversion in my view. May I suggest that it would have been much better to support the call for this at the time rather than some three weeks later when the impact of the verdict is somewhat reduced. Matt10
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 23:09:02 GMT -5
Hmm. You'll recall that I called for a public apology from the Irish head worker in the immediate aftermath of the verdict. However you immediately undermined this by responding with a call for ALL head workers and senior workers WORLDWIDE to make an apology for ALL acts of CSA thereby deflecting the focus away from this particular case and deflecting responsibility away from those responsible for the failings connected with it. An untimely, unhelpful and inexplicable diversion in my view. May I suggest that it would have been much better to support the call for this at the time rather than some three weeks later when the impact of the verdict is somewhat reduced. Matt10 Thanks - there's been a stack of people calling for apologies from various Head Workers for years but none have been forthcoming. I've been asking publicly for David Leitch in Victoria to make an apology for some time and I know Maja wrote to stacks of Head Workers around the world - a handful replied. Sorry if you think my call deflected away from your request but I suspect that there have been a lot of people, including victims asking for the Head Worker of Ireland to apologise for years. He is pretty much going to ignore both of us and stacks of others I suspect. The only people that are going to force him to make a public apology now on behalf of the 2x2 church in Ireland (and this even might be a stretch) is if the meeting elders and friends in Ireland band together and ask him to make a public apology. If the Spirit of Christ was in the man he would have done it years ago. There's no need to apologise to me. The apology I called for was not for me. May I also suggest that if you are genuinely calling for an apology from the Irish head worker, then the way to go about this is not to launch a personal attack regarding the man's Christian spirit. It now transpires that you are a serial apology caller for and a failed one at that. If you have failed before and you really don't believe that an apology will be forthcoming in this case, then it surely raises the question as to your motivation for calling for the sending of an open letter here. Matt10
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Post by Grant on Oct 27, 2016 0:12:13 GMT -5
It's hard to sit back and say nothing. Ross's posts are completely valid and no milace or attacks are in them. Ross has as much right to express his feelings and desire for action as you do. At least he apologises for upsetting you. I wonder if you will be as forthcoming. Attack the issue and people involved not those who are trying to bring changes and hold people accountable.
Seems as if whatever Ross says you will find fault with.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 13:48:35 GMT -5
It's hard to sit back and say nothing. Ross's posts are completely valid and no milace or attacks are in them. Ross has as much right to express his feelings and desire for action as you do. At least he apologises for upsetting you. I wonder if you will be as forthcoming. Attack the issue and people involved not those who are trying to bring changes and hold people accountable. Seems as if whatever Ross says you will find fault with. Look, I have no issue with Ross expressing his feelings. I was merely questioning the timing. Timing is everything in these things and it did irk me somewhat that he deflected the focus away from this very sensitive case at the most inappropriate time - I still don't understand why one would take that approach - but he has had the good grace to acknowledge that. FWIW I disagree with your call to attack the people involved if the people involved are those you are trying to elicit the apology from. That makes them even less likely to respect you and consequently less likely to provide the apology you are seeking. And what help is that to the victims? It's not just a question of calling for an apology, it's how you go about it. That is the point I made. Matt10
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Post by LITTLEPADDY on Oct 27, 2016 13:52:50 GMT -5
Ross I definitely don't see you as a person whom is a Serial Apology Caller but a person who knows that Apologies don't come but the Head Workers can never say they weren't asked.
In a meeting (nothing to do with this case or anything in particular) Tommie Gamble stated when speaking that he "didn't care what people thought of him or said about him "
So there is zero minus chance of anybody getting an apology for anything out of him and I am confident the other workers have been told not to apologies either
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Post by rational on Oct 27, 2016 14:25:14 GMT -5
The only people that are going to force him to make a public apology now on behalf of the 2x2 church in Ireland (and this even might be a stretch) is if the meeting elders and friends in Ireland band together and ask him to make a public apology. If there was a way to force an apology what would be the value of such an action? Sounds like forcing a toddler to say they are sorry because they took a toy from another child. Chances are they don't mean it and they have the toy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 14:25:54 GMT -5
It's hard to sit back and say nothing. Ross's posts are completely valid and no milace or attacks are in them. Ross has as much right to express his feelings and desire for action as you do. At least he apologises for upsetting you. I wonder if you will be as forthcoming. Attack the issue and people involved not those who are trying to bring changes and hold people accountable. Seems as if whatever Ross says you will find fault with. Thanks - apparently only one person has got the right to ask a Head Worker or Head Workers to apologise to CSA victims. It isn't me - I'm a "failed serial apology caller for" - I've never been called that before Ross, I think you know that wasn't the point I was making so I will take it in the jovial spirit in which it was given. And there are much worse things to be called! Regards Matt10.
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Post by vanillagorilla on Oct 27, 2016 15:48:22 GMT -5
May Noel Tanner be captured by ISIS.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 17:44:13 GMT -5
May Noel Tanner be captured by ISIS. What would that solve? You shouldn't wish that upon your worse enemy, it might not even solve the pain an suffering of the abused.
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Post by rational on Oct 27, 2016 18:19:51 GMT -5
May Noel Tanner be captured by ISIS. What would that solve? You shouldn't wish that upon your worse enemy, it might not even solve the pain an suffering of the abused. Nothing that can be done to the criminal will solve the pain and suffering of the victim. The suggestions are emotional vengeance. Like any act of vengeance, it brings the actors down to the level as the criminal.
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Post by dmmichgood on Oct 27, 2016 19:30:14 GMT -5
What would that solve? You shouldn't wish that upon your worse enemy, it might not even solve the pain an suffering of the abused. Nothing that can be done to the criminal will solve the pain and suffering of the victim. The suggestions are emotional vengeance. Like any act of vengeance, it brings the actors down to the level as the criminal. Right,, and such violence only begets more violence.
An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind; isn't mankind blind enough already?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2016 3:30:36 GMT -5
What would that solve? You shouldn't wish that upon your worse enemy, it might not even solve the pain an suffering of the abused. Nothing that can be done to the criminal will solve the pain and suffering of the victim. The suggestions are emotional vengeance. Like any act of vengeance, it brings the actors down to the level as the criminal. Yes, an eye for an eye puts them in the same boat, so to speak.
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Post by rational on Oct 28, 2016 6:10:44 GMT -5
If there was a way to force an apology what would be the value of such an action? Sounds like forcing a toddler to say they are sorry because they took a toy from another child. Chances are they don't mean it and they have the toy. Except we are not talking about toys.... If an apology is made and a person doesn't mean it - agree it's worthless. And would a person mean it if it were forced? The discussion is about the apology - not the issue. Forcing a person to be sincere ie even more of a problem than forcing them to issue an apology. Exactly how does it help the organization? Will it prevent future abuse? We have all read of the apologies and statements of repentance issues by, for example, IH and LW. If it is for the benefit of the victim, it would seem odd that you would specify 'public'. It would seem there is a little public humiliation involved in this as well. The victim has the ability to forgive the offense or not. In general those dealing with victims acknowledge the healing process is brought about by actions of the victim and not the criminal. What would be the action that would follow an apology? It would appear that we have had very different experiences. The majority of the victims that I had contact with were not looking for an apology but for acknowledgement that the incident did happen and those involved were taking responsibility for their actions. It was impossible to know if the claims of being sorry were sincere or not so an issued apology, from the organization or the individual was not of great value. I wonder if the difference in our experiences was due to the fact that the people I dealt with were all undergoing therapy as part of their treatment. Did the victims you have had experience with have access to therapy?
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Post by rational on Oct 28, 2016 6:14:13 GMT -5
Nothing that can be done to the criminal will solve the pain and suffering of the victim. The suggestions are emotional vengeance. Like any act of vengeance, it brings the actors down to the level as the criminal. Yes, an eye for an eye puts them in the same boat, so to speak. I think you might have missed the point. If the law demands that a rapist be raped as punishment for the crime what does that say about the law? They have become rapists as well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2016 7:37:53 GMT -5
Yes, an eye for an eye puts them in the same boat, so to speak. I think you might have missed the point. If the law demands that a rapist be raped as punishment for the crime what does that say about the law? They have become rapists as well. The laws of the land are the laws of the land, and we are urged to obey the laws of the land, some folks say that the law is an ass. Once upon a time the punish for murder was death by execution , by hanging, firing squad, what ever, then some countries with the aid of amnesty international urged and encourage the abolishment of execution for murder, but take note, the united states of America still executes murderers because it is still the law of the land., not only that, they are kept on death row for many years before execution. So my point is based on what you have proffered above, the law becomes a murderer as well in the pursuit of justice.
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Post by rational on Oct 28, 2016 10:20:37 GMT -5
I think you might have missed the point. If the law demands that a rapist be raped as punishment for the crime what does that say about the law? They have become rapists as well. The laws of the land are the laws of the land, and we are urged to obey the laws of the land, some folks say that the law is an ass. Once upon a time the punish for murder was death by execution , by hanging, firing squad, what ever, then some countries with the aid of amnesty international urged and encourage the abolishment of execution for murder, but take note, the united states of America still executes murderers because it is still the law of the land., not only that, they are kept on death row for many years before execution. So my point is based on what you have proffered above, the law becomes a murderer as well in the pursuit of justice. You are right. As a nation we have lowered ourselves to the level of a murderer. It also raises the question of why the US does not remove the hands of thieves. Why are men and women caught in adultery no longer branded with an "A"? Or a "D" if they were drunk? It is because as a nation we are evolving and realizing that punishment that is just vengeance solves nothing. Hopefully as a nation we will continue to change.
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Post by vanillagorilla on Oct 28, 2016 10:22:32 GMT -5
May Noel Tanner be captured by ISIS. What would that solve? You shouldn't wish that upon your worse enemy, it might not even solve the pain an suffering of the abused. Sorry was just being humorous. First of all, my humor is twisted. And humor can be lost in text. And probably no one here shares my sense of humor. I laughed when I typed it. Or should I say: LOL, LMAO, LSHMSFOAIDMT (laughing so hard my sombrero fell off and I dropped my taco).
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Post by rational on Oct 28, 2016 10:28:26 GMT -5
What would that solve? You shouldn't wish that upon your worse enemy, it might not even solve the pain an suffering of the abused. Sorry was just being humorous. First of all, my humor is twisted. And humor can be lost in text. And probably no one here shares my sense of humor. I laughed when I typed it. Or should I say: LOL, LMAO, LSHMSFOAIDMT (laughing so hard my sombrero fell off and I dropped my taco).
I think many have been burned by the inability to make sure that a posted joke is taken as a joke. I try to use the Comic Sans MS Font to indicate a post that I feel should be viewed as humorous (if I can remember!).
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Post by vanillagorilla on Oct 28, 2016 10:34:27 GMT -5
LSHIFTUCSMSF (laughing so hard I forgot to use comic sans MS Font)
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Post by LITTLEPADDY on Nov 3, 2016 17:04:58 GMT -5
Just to let all the victims and their extended families and friends that I think of you everyday and you are not forgotten by me
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Post by LITTLEPADDY on Nov 3, 2016 17:06:07 GMT -5
Just to let all the victims and their extended families and friends know that I think of you everyday and you are not forgotten by me
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Post by LITTLEPADDY on Nov 15, 2016 11:37:15 GMT -5
Only 2 weeks left until the devious paedophile and sex offender gets his sentence May justice be done and he receive the same sympathy and lieiance he showed to his victims
Victims - You and yours are in my mind everyday and not forgotten
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 14:57:22 GMT -5
I dedicate this to all those who have suffered abuse and injustice or who have been wronged and feel alone abandoned and forgotten, you are not alone we care about you, and we offer prayers for you. All might seem lost but it is not so, God knows all and He will take care of you as He listens to prayers. Please don't despair, there is hope, trust Him. m.youtube.com/watch?v=7BuquFCyOzkm.youtube.com/watch?v=iUV5T9JIJZ0
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Post by LITTLEPADDY on Nov 30, 2016 10:32:11 GMT -5
LITTLEPADDY Avatar LITTLEPADDY Junior Member ** 4 minutes ago Quote likePost Options Thoughts still with all abused and their friends and family You will find it very hard in daily life to ever get over what happened but hopefully you will find the strength to get on with life
Realise these are very hard days
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