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Post by emerald on Jun 8, 2016 20:30:12 GMT -5
I'm told the Baptist Church is still there and I was told once again that it has stagnated, and the only church in Monaghan growing, is the Elim church. I can't obviously go up there to check out for myself, but maybe if all you very funny and smart people stopped looking for a Baptist church in Monaghan, America, you might have some luck finding one in Monaghan, Ireland. Strange that Irvine Grey doesn't know what's happening with his own church in this country. I'd guess he knows more about what's happening in the meetings, which would indicate that he is more drawn to us than he'd like us to think. Come on Irvine, you're welcome to become one of us. :-D
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Post by emerald on Jun 9, 2016 8:39:42 GMT -5
I'm told the Baptist Church is still there and I was told once again that it has stagnated, and the only church in Monaghan growing, is the Elim church. I can't obviously go up there to check out for myself, but maybe if all you very funny and smart people stopped looking for a Baptist church in Monaghan, America, you might have some luck finding one in Monaghan, Ireland. Strange that Irvine Grey doesn't know what's happening with his own church in this country. I'd guess he knows more about what's happening in the meetings, which would indicate that he is more drawn to us than he'd like us to think. Come on Irvine, you're welcome to become one of us. :-D The dialogue here must have made you laugh, surely Why don't you get your contact to go to the Baptist Church that he/she is sure still exists in Monaghan, Ireland and take a photo of it - inside and outside. The pastor would talk to her and she could have a photo taken with him as well. Irvine could validate this but my understanding is that there is a Baptist church in Carrickmacross (great name!). Your welcome is nice (I'm being totally genuine) but Irvine, as a follower of Christ, would not be welcome to attend your meetings and take the Lord's Supper with you etc. He might get away with it once but if he regularly attended he would quickly be intercepted by a worker who would require him to profess again through the workers and be baptised again by the workers. That's the church and Carrickmacross is in Monaghan. My friend (who no longer lives there but has kept in touch with people from the area) says the church has actually shrunk. A lot of people who went there left the area after the economy crashed. Carrickmacross is famous for its lace.
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Post by emerald on Jun 9, 2016 8:48:15 GMT -5
I'm told the Baptist Church is still there and I was told once again that it has stagnated, and the only church in Monaghan growing, is the Elim church. I can't obviously go up there to check out for myself, but maybe if all you very funny and smart people stopped looking for a Baptist church in Monaghan, America, you might have some luck finding one in Monaghan, Ireland. Strange that Irvine Grey doesn't know what's happening with his own church in this country. I'd guess he knows more about what's happening in the meetings, which would indicate that he is more drawn to us than he'd like us to think. Come on Irvine, you're welcome to become one of us. :-D The dialogue here must have made you laugh, surely Why don't you get your contact to go to the Baptist Church that he/she is sure still exists in Monaghan, Ireland and take a photo of it - inside and outside. The pastor would talk to her and she could have a photo taken with him as well. Irvine could validate this but my understanding is that there is a Baptist church in Carrickmacross (great name!). Your welcome is nice (I'm being totally genuine) but Irvine, as a follower of Christ, would not be welcome to attend your meetings and take the Lord's Supper with you etc. He might get away with it once but if he regularly attended he would quickly be intercepted by a worker who would require him to profess again through the workers and be baptised again by the workers. Sorry, meant to add that we are followers of Christ and Irvine could easily resign his membership of the Baptist church and join us. 2 Cor 6 v17. He might find our little gatherings where we all take part, draw him closer to God than sitting on a pew listening to a minister.
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Post by irvinegrey on Jun 9, 2016 16:36:07 GMT -5
Let us be clear - Monaghan town is the capital town of County Monaghan and there never was a Baptist Church in the town. The Baptist Church in Carrickmacross, County Monaghan is a recent development in the last 25 years or so and far from stagnating is a growing church. It is not growing with folk moving from other churches but those who are converts - who come to faith in Christ through repentance and are baptised. Many come from a Roman Catholic background.
I like the way Emerald in the best two by two tradition slips in a little pretext 2 Corinthians 6:7 which has no relevance to the discussion. As far as me joining the movement I am sure that Emerald could provide me with an outline of what they actually believe and at the same time tell me why they reject that Jesus is God come in the flesh John 1:1-18. Also where they get the idea that one can only come to faith in Christ through the mediation of a worker? There are so many more things but that's enough to get the ball rolling!
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Post by emerald on Jun 9, 2016 18:54:13 GMT -5
Like I repeatedly said, there is a Baptist church in Monaghan. You said there wasn't, so I thought it must have closed. You are now saying it hasn't closed, it's been there for 25years. Make your mind up! And numbers are dwindling. My friend has confirmed it, he used to work with one of the main men in the church and it's because of what I said above (my friend told me) some of the families that went there were non-nationals and when the economy crashed, they'd to move away to look for work. The economy hasn't really recovered in rural areas so the non-nationals haven't returned. Most of the members of the church are from Presbyterian and Church of Ireland backgrounds. There are a few catholics. I have no more information and I don't like to ask my friend again, I look a bit like a stalker already.
As for what we believe, you are the one that wrote the book. You should know and if you don't, I'm not sure why you bothered to write the book. I have no quibble with Jesus being God come in the flesh. I know there are those that don't believe it, but that's true of other churches too. The trinity is a difficult concept. I don't believe either, that a person must come to Christ through a worker, but I do think in order for anyone to join the meetings, it's a good thing to talk to a worker just to let them know you'd like to go to a private home on a Sunday morning to join others in worship. I wouldn't rock up to your house and expect to be let in without letting you know in advance.
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Post by emerald on Jun 12, 2016 19:46:22 GMT -5
That's the church and Carrickmacross is in Monaghan. My friend (who no longer lives there but has kept in touch with people from the area) says the church has actually shrunk. A lot of people who went there left the area after the economy crashed. Carrickmacross is famous for its lace. I glad that I got you out of a tight spot Is Carrickmacross west, east, north or south of Monaghan - that's the city, not the county If Irvine attended a few of your fellowship meetings it would be a sure way of getting workers in your meeting pretty quickly. It could be a useful strategy if you want visits from workers. Seriously though, irvine's questions are good ones and it would be worthwhile asking the Head Worker of Ireland what his view is on such important issues. You didn't do much get me out of a tight spot (I'd no doubt my friends report was true) as to help Irvine dig his hole a bit deeper. Now that amuses me much more than the dialogue before, which I didn't really feel was coming from a good place. I felt I was being ridiculed for sticking to my guns. Irvine would likely want to go to meetings in his area, so whatever meeting that would be would get the worker visits. If he has a particular favourite, I'm sure it could be arranged to have that worker in the meeting with him. I might just ask a senior worker about their official position on the trinity. I might have cloth ears, but I've never actually heard it rejected outright, although I can't say I've heard it confirmed either. I've always accepted the trinity and never gave much thought to the workers view on it.
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Post by emerald on Jun 12, 2016 19:54:49 GMT -5
I checked google maps for Carrickmacross and there's an aerial picture of the church. I did street view and it looks like they meet in an ordinary house! No point asking Irvine if that's the case... Anyway, it's possible I'm wrong, but I can't find anything else on the road that looks like a church.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jun 25, 2016 15:13:48 GMT -5
So far as I can work out everyone who has been to a convention anywhere in the world has either died or is going to. Do the authorities know about this and why have they not closed down these dangerous conventions?
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Post by emerald on Jun 27, 2016 13:15:44 GMT -5
So far as I can work out everyone who has been to a convention anywhere in the world has either died or is going to. Do the authorities know about this and why have they not closed down these dangerous conventions? Lol! I think they'd need to find out if the death was linked to convention attendance!
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Post by alistairhenderson on Jul 7, 2016 8:42:55 GMT -5
Dat's roight now, God bless ya all an all dat, to be sure to be sure, begorrah...
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 7, 2016 16:13:45 GMT -5
Dat's roight now, God bless ya all an all dat, to be sure to be sure, begorrah... Reminds me of why the Irishman wore two condoms.
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Post by Gene on Jul 7, 2016 19:58:47 GMT -5
Dat's roight now, God bless ya all an all dat, to be sure to be sure, begorrah... Reminds me of why the Irishman wore two condoms. Why, pray tell?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 7, 2016 20:40:47 GMT -5
Reminds me of why the Irishman wore two condoms. Why, pray tell? To be sure, to be sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2016 11:55:38 GMT -5
What? Workers lie? Such a thing simply cannot be, to be sure, to be sure!
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Post by irvinegrey on Mar 4, 2017 13:35:24 GMT -5
It seems that Monaghan, one of the six Irish conventions is closing. If this is the case that leaves Fermanagh as the only convention in the West. A number of years ago another convention closed that was not all that far from Monaghan, the Carnteel convention that had a strong association with the Reid family that Wilson Reid was related to. I see that Monaghan remains absent from the list of Irish conventions this year again? Does this mean that it is now permanently closed? Looking at the convention preparation list women workers substantially outnumber men - 26 to 13!
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Post by CherieKropp on Mar 4, 2017 16:39:31 GMT -5
Yes, my sources tell me that Monaghan is indeed closed.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 6, 2017 3:22:40 GMT -5
Like the way Irvine Grey prejudged the convention was closing due to "falling numbers"? Yes, you're probably right. I can confirm there NEVER was a Baptist Church in Monaghan Ireland so there wasn't one there to stagnate, as you suggest. As the closure of Monaghan another post writes: 'Yes, Monaghan is closing - it was closing anyway, but the boiler issue has just brought the decision forward by one year.' So if closure was on the cards, what other reason could there be for that except falling numbers? After all you have told us that Carnteel closed because it was a small convention and would have closed earlier except that workers kept it open until Wilson Reid died. To satisfy a worker who spent most of his time in Africa is hardly a valid reason to keep a failing convention running! That's a fine example of 2x2 logic.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 18:07:40 GMT -5
Monaghan is not in the west, its in the east. North east of the south to be exact. And yes, it's closing on Health and Safety grounds, but I'm not sure a decision has been made as to it being permanent. Carnteel was closed because there was no need for a small convention so close to Monaghan and facilities were poor, comparitively. It would have been closed years before only the workers kept it open until Wilson Reid died. Nothing sinister about its closing at all. North east of the south to be exact Lets see: North, south. East, west. Oh! I give up. Oh I give up.
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Post by emerald on Mar 9, 2017 9:24:21 GMT -5
You obviously have no knowledge of Ireland. There is Notthern Ireland (in the North -can you believe it) and the Republic of Ireland (referred to by almost everyone as the South) almost all south of Northern Ireland. So to say a place is in the north east of the south makes perfect sense to those who know something about Ireland, but hey, sneer if you like, along with the dolt who goes on about "to be sure, to be sure", something that's never said anywhere in Ireland.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 9, 2017 11:39:35 GMT -5
You obviously have no knowledge of Ireland. There is Notthern Ireland (in the North -can you believe it) and the Republic of Ireland (referred to by almost everyone as the South) almost all south of Northern Ireland. So to say a place is in the north east of the south makes perfect sense to those who know something about Ireland, but hey, sneer if you like, along with the dolt who goes on about "to be sure, to be sure", something that's never said anywhere in Ireland. That's an interesting comment about to be sure to be sure. My Dad was Irish from the North. He was always saying it as was several Irish workers that preached here. Maybe a generational thing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 13:39:55 GMT -5
You obviously have no knowledge of Ireland. There is Notthern Ireland (in the North -can you believe it) and the Republic of Ireland (referred to by almost everyone as the South) almost all south of Northern Ireland. So to say a place is in the north east of the south makes perfect sense to those who know something about Ireland, but hey, sneer if you like, along with the dolt who goes on about "to be sure, to be sure", something that's never said anywhere in Ireland. That's an interesting comment about to be sure to be sure. My Dad was Irish from the North. He was always saying it as was several Irish workers that preached here. Maybe a generational thing. It's not a generational thing. No one actually says this. I've never heard it said by anyone in the north ever and I've lived there all my life. The only people who say it are people who are trying to imitate the Irish but are ignorant of the fact that nobody in Ireland actually says it. Matt10
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 10, 2017 0:52:23 GMT -5
That's an interesting comment about to be sure to be sure. My Dad was Irish from the North. He was always saying it as was several Irish workers that preached here. Maybe a generational thing. It's not a generational thing. No one actually says this. I've never heard it said by anyone in the north ever and I've lived there all my life. The only people who say it are people who are trying to imitate the Irish but are ignorant of the fact that nobody in Ireland actually says it. Matt10 Well Matt, are you saying my ears were deceiving me. I heard my dad say that often. AS was the Irish workers I came across and were frequently at home. Maybe, because you are Irish, you are deaf to it. Sort of like never hearing about William Irvine being the prick that started this con job.
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Post by friendly67 on Mar 10, 2017 1:32:45 GMT -5
Might have been a southern thing, and probably obsolete, but I have heard it. The early workers and friends were from the south, so that is why we heard it perhaps. My parents returned to Ireland in the 70s. All four grandparents were born there, my Dad too. Mum recalls being picked up by cab at the airport and she commented that they were heading down a one way street, the wrong way. Driver said, "to be sure, to be sure, but it is a shortcut!"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 2:30:17 GMT -5
It's not a generational thing. No one actually says this. I've never heard it said by anyone in the north ever and I've lived there all my life. The only people who say it are people who are trying to imitate the Irish but are ignorant of the fact that nobody in Ireland actually says it. Matt10 Well Matt, are you saying my ears were deceiving me. I heard my dad say that often. AS was the Irish workers I came across and were frequently at home. Maybe, because you are Irish, you are deaf to it. Sort of like never hearing about William Irvine being the prick that started this con job. Im quite sure your ears aren't deceiving you. But that doesn't change the fact that no one in the north actually says this ..... other than your dad and the 2x2 workers obviously. Matt10
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Post by emerald on Mar 12, 2017 11:07:53 GMT -5
Nobody in the South says it either. It's as authentic as green leprechauns but it allows the diaspora to think they can fake an Irish accent. For those geographically confused, the South is the Republic of Ireland and if you check a map, try not to let the fact that Donegal is in the north of the South, cause you sleepless nights.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 11:31:05 GMT -5
You obviously have no knowledge of Ireland. There is Notthern Ireland (in the North -can you believe it) and the Republic of Ireland (referred to by almost everyone as the South) almost all south of Northern Ireland. So to say a place is in the north east of the south makes perfect sense to those who know something about Ireland, but hey, sneer if you like, along with the dolt who goes on about "to be sure, to be sure", something that's never said anywhere in Ireland. It is not meant to be a sneer, I have lived in England, on and off since 1962, but I have never been to Ireland, North or south, it was just a little confusing to me, ( north east of the south). I have grown use to the division as the Irish republic and Northern Ireland. So I would have understood perfectly well if you had said north east of southern Ireland. No offence intended.
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