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Post by Irreducible on Sept 3, 2018 6:28:53 GMT -5
The main point is , we all marvel and the patience of Job!!
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Post by snow on Sept 3, 2018 15:12:25 GMT -5
The main point is , we all marvel and the patience of Job!! I marvel at his gullibility.
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Post by Irreducible on Sept 3, 2018 15:30:29 GMT -5
The main point is , we all marvel and the patience of Job!! I marvel at his gullibility. His wife was certainly skeptical, also . 🤦🏻♂️
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Post by snow on Sept 3, 2018 15:35:33 GMT -5
I marvel at his gullibility. His wife was certainly skeptical, also . 🤦🏻♂️ I bet, right up until they had his entire family killed. Then she confirmed that it all wasn't on the up and up!
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Post by Irreducible on Sept 4, 2018 3:10:44 GMT -5
His wife was certainly skeptical, also . 🤦🏻♂️ I bet, right up until they had his entire family killed. Then she confirmed that it all wasn't on the up and up! So, nevertheless, It retains some of the greatest insights into humans suffering and resolutions and the reward for doing right , even when “snow” wasn’t there to criticize him ? 😉
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Post by Irreducible on Sept 4, 2018 3:22:34 GMT -5
3 of his “best friends” came to try to comfort him in his distress, and tried their best, but in the end even their comforting caused more distress than the real grief he was enduring, Thus, the “patience of Job “ has had an everlasting triumph among those that suffer needlessly for things they did not do, and were falsely accused!! IMO
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Post by snow on Sept 4, 2018 13:27:43 GMT -5
I bet, right up until they had his entire family killed. Then she confirmed that it all wasn't on the up and up! So, nevertheless, It retains some of the greatest insights into humans suffering and resolutions and the reward for doing right , even when “snow” wasn’t there to criticize him ? 😉 Was what God and Satan did to Job and his family, right?
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Post by Irreducible on Sept 4, 2018 13:36:07 GMT -5
So, nevertheless, It retains some of the greatest insights into humans suffering and resolutions and the reward for doing right , even when “snow” wasn’t there to criticize him ? 😉 Was what God and Satan did to Job and his family, right? Isnt what satan did to Job, Joseph, Daniel, Adam, Eve, and Jesus purely evil. ?? I think we both know the answer !
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Post by Irreducible on Sept 4, 2018 13:39:21 GMT -5
Do you think Job’s friends were a comfort to Job??
(Oh , you can review some of their “comforting” advise if you like! 😉
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Post by snow on Sept 4, 2018 13:58:46 GMT -5
Was what God and Satan did to Job and his family, right? Isnt what satan did to Job, Joseph, Daniel, Adam, Eve, and Jesus purely evil. ?? I think we both know the answer ! How do we know it was Satan that did this? It talks about God and Satan betting on whether Job would lose his faith if God allowed Satan to do horrible things to him. That makes God just as complicit in this whole scheme. If you really look at the story of Adam and Eve, you have to wonder how Satan got into the Garden to tempt Adam and Eve in the first place. God must have allowed it. He is all powerful after all. Is there anything that Satan does that God doesn't allow based on his all powerfulness?
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Post by Irreducible on Sept 4, 2018 15:32:58 GMT -5
Please, snow, please read Job , it would save us both a Lot of needless theories! Thanks.
You claim Job was “gullible”. You claim the evil that Satan Imposed on Job wasn’t Satan’s idea?
Yes?, and with your imagination, you could give a few others a run for their money! 😉
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Post by snow on Sept 4, 2018 15:46:19 GMT -5
Please, snow, please read Job , it would save us both a Lot of needless theories! Thanks. You claim Job was “gullible”. You claim the evil that Satan Imposed on Job wasn’t Satan’s idea? Yes?, and with your imagination, you could give a few others a run for their money! 😉 You think I haven't read Job? Well sorry to disappoint you, but I have, several times. I once was a 2x2 that read the whole bible a couple times actually. I even professed at one point. I have read extensively to learn about the history of Judaism, Christianity, Islam and many other of the world's religions. I even wrote a book on the subject. So I don't think re-reading Job again is going to change my mind about the complicity of God in the whole affair. God did a lot of immoral things in the OT. Why try to say he didn't or justify it? Your God is what he is. I happen to think a God should be better than the average human.
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Post by Irreducible on Sept 4, 2018 16:17:35 GMT -5
Please, snow, please read Job , it would save us both a Lot of needless theories! Thanks. [br You claim Job was “gullible”. You claim the evil that Satan Imposed on Job wasn’t Satan’s idea? Yes?, and with your imagination, you could give a few others a run for their money! 😉 You think I haven't read Job? Well sorry to disappoint you, but I have, several times. I once was a 2x2 that read the whole bible a couple times actually. I even professed at one point. I have read extensively to learn about the history of Judaism, Christianity, Islam and many other of the world's religions. I even wrote a book on the subject. So I don't think re-reading Job again is going to change my mind [ Read it again, if you believe that Job was “gullible” (your word). Or that Satan didn’t act evil Or that Jobs friends were any more comforting than his wife?? ( I read it , and I wholeheartedly disagree with your analysis!) Oh well. 🙂 Thanks
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Post by rational on Sept 6, 2018 10:23:42 GMT -5
You think I haven't read Job? Well sorry to disappoint you, but I have, several times. I once was a 2x2 that read the whole bible a couple times actually. I even professed at one point. I have read extensively to learn about the history of Judaism, Christianity, Islam and many other of the world's religions. I even wrote a book on the subject. So I don't think re-reading Job again is going to change my mind [ Read it again, if you believe that Job was “gullible” (your word). Or that Satan didn’t act evil Or that Jobs friends were any more comforting than his wife?? ( I read it , and I wholeheartedly disagree with your analysis!) Oh well. 🙂 Thanks God knew about the activity, had the power to stop it yet condoned the destruction of life and property to massage his/her ego. That is perhaps the most immoral story anyone could come up with. It shows god to be a very small entity. Do you suppose god also has tiny carrot-nugget sized 'fingers' and was overcompensating? Michelangelo's creation of Adam (made in god's image)fresco adds support for this possibility.
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Post by Irreducible on Sept 6, 2018 18:31:12 GMT -5
Well, rational ! You can’t have the cake (in hand) and eaten too ( in belly). Hmmmm
All apples could be good apples, but if you have a bad bad apple, we can know that there is , a big difference !!
So you write a good book, and submit it for publication!
Actually , Cinderella did quite well, considering it had a Very happy ever after (ending).
When you write a biography, we can’t choose the ending we think , and God always gives an expected “ending”, and it never disappoints, as Job can attest!
“Thou the LORD slay me, yet I will be true” (Not quite word for word, but Job didn’t know English , yet !)
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Post by Irreducible on Sept 6, 2018 18:50:07 GMT -5
In other words, God is our ONLY source of Justice,
It’s quite ironic that humans see this as a test for Job,
but it seems just as probable that this set the bar on
Satan, and sadly it is recorded for us to glean the “track record “ of an fallen angel that was bent on trying to cause Job to fail miserably.
Without this account, there are people that don’t understand the huge gulf Satan has fixed between him and his Creator .
Sad that it took such a horrible story to tell this truth.
😢😢
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Sept 12, 2018 3:16:41 GMT -5
Sorry this to important of a subject to derail ! I am interested in reading. More about this Amazing body. John Bergman has a few Videos , showing the interconnectedness in amazing detail . Sorry I can figure out those links. Do we have anyone on here that knows anything beyond Internet knowledge of the amazing body? Yep, I have seen some amazing bodies!
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Post by Yes on Sept 12, 2018 4:40:00 GMT -5
Do we have anyone on here that knows anything beyond Internet knowledge of the amazing body? Yep, I have seen some amazing bodies! aw, you ain’t seen nothing yet! 👶
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Post by snow on Sept 12, 2018 14:56:40 GMT -5
Was what God and Satan did to Job and his family, right? Isnt what satan did to Job, Joseph, Daniel, Adam, Eve, and Jesus purely evil. ?? I think we both know the answer ! Why do you just blame Satan? It takes two to have a bet going. God is just as much to blame for what happened to Job.
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Post by Irreducible on Sept 12, 2018 16:41:27 GMT -5
="Irreducible" source="/post/805210/thread" timestamp="1536277807"]In other words, God is our ONLY source of Justice,
It’s quite ironic that humans see this as a test for Job,
but it seems just as probable that this set the bar on
Satan, and sadly it is recorded for us to glean the “track record “ of an fallen angel that was bent on trying to cause Job to fail miserably.
Without this account, there are people that don’t /wouldn’t understand the huge, huge ,huge gulf Satan has fixed between him and his Creator .
Sad that it took such a horrible story to tell this truth.
😢😢[/quote][
Satan was far more evil than he ever showed or was allowed to show to anyone else, and now we know why God keeps him leashed
And Good thing God is the Judge!!
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Post by Irreducible on Sept 12, 2018 18:17:36 GMT -5
God has no use for “gamblers/ gambling”.
Even Einstein knew that!! 😉
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Post by irreducible on Sept 15, 2018 20:05:05 GMT -5
hmmmm, aw yeah , if we take a cursory survey of the
Millions of classes /genus / kinds of species , we would
find a full throttle battery of genetic differences, of which
many of said differences are due to genetic variability
caused by respective environmental adaptations!
Hmmm, and and an interesting time /place we find ourselves
analyzing these variables! Are they really based on
adaptation or based on irreducible complexity??
Say what?
We don’t know ?
Hmmmm, well some times even the skeptics can be honest about their opinions??!!
Thankfully!
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Post by irreducible on Sept 15, 2018 20:19:03 GMT -5
Hmmm, ok, don’t we know that a wise sacrifice is Considered a virtue?
Don’t we know , that to obey God is better than burnt offerings?!
Hmmm, then what can I offer the Lord for all His bennifits towards me/ us. ?? Thanks..., and more thanks! 🙂
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Post by thankful on Sept 24, 2018 8:16:00 GMT -5
And humans have the capacity and language to offer the sacrifice of thanksgiving, that God was making man-kind in His image .... its a wonderful privilege that we can be eternally thankful for, IMO.
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Post by Thankful on Sept 26, 2018 8:18:58 GMT -5
Amazing creation , indeed .
And it’s good to remember the “obvious” observation!
“Who created that which , was never created ? ?”
Oh, I know!! and the obvious conclusion is no one .
Hmmmmmm , now why couldn’t we all think of that! 😉
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Post by Thankful on Sept 26, 2018 8:19:48 GMT -5
Amazing creation , indeed .
And it’s good to remember the “obvious” observation!
“Who created that which , was never created ? ?”
Oh, I know!! and the obvious conclusion is no one .
Hmmmmmm , now why couldn’t we all think of that! 😉
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Post by snow on Sept 26, 2018 14:18:37 GMT -5
Amazing creation , indeed . And it’s good to remember the “obvious” observation! “Who created that which , was never created ? ?” Oh, I know!! and the obvious conclusion is no one . Hmmmmmm , now why couldn’t we all think of that! 😉 I would like to know what was before the big bang and how it all started too. Trouble is, no one knows. It's not wise to just fill in the gaps with what we want to believe.
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Post by Thankfully on Sept 26, 2018 16:47:58 GMT -5
Amazing creation , indeed . And it’s good to remember the “obvious” observation! “Who created that which , was never created ? ?” Oh, I know!! and the obvious conclusion is no one . Hmmmmmm , now why couldn’t we all think of that! 😉 I would like to know what was before the big bang and how it all started too. Trouble is, no one knows. It's not wise to just fill in the gaps with what we want to believe. There are no gaps , imo Huh? You know there are many people , even many scientists that think the “bang” is a myth! And now we can analyze it Ok. 😉
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