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Post by SearchingforGod on Aug 10, 2018 4:00:10 GMT -5
From time to time there are posters that post on the purpose of searching for God, and may have found that there is other humans that quickly discourage this Effort?
In humility all I want is a goal that people can freely encourage this searching and searching
In my opinion, this searching has been going on since We were first created, and God had salvation in His desire to have fellowship with the free will Creatiom that He so planned it.
These thoughts directly stem from my desire to search for God and find Him, though He may not be far from any of us
Could we search for our God , (Creator) and help each other find Him, even as finding Him is part of showing and proving that we want to know these things and we EACH have to do our individual search. That is proof to Our Creator that each of us truly care:love what He has already done for us, and that is to give us freedom to search and find the most valuable thing that is Imaginable, in my opinion, in my humble searching, to find this treasure. Right??
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Post by SearchingforGod on Aug 10, 2018 4:16:11 GMT -5
="SearchingforGod " source="/post/800981/thread" timestamp="1533891610"]From time to time there are posters that post on the purpose of searching for God, and may have found that there is other humans that quickly discourage this Effort?
In humility all I want is a goal that people can freely encourage this searching and searching
In my opinion, this searching has been going on since We were first created, and God had salvation in His desire to have fellowship with the free will Creatiom that He so planned it.
These thoughts directly stem from my desire to search for God and find Him, though He may not be far from any of us
Could we search for our God , (Creator) and help each other find Him, even as finding Him is part of showing and proving that we want to know these things and we EACH have to do our individual search. That is proof to Our Creator that each of us truly care:love what He has already done for us, and that is to give us freedom to search and find the most valuable thing that is Imaginable, in my opinion, in my humble searching, to find this treasure. Right??[/quot
And of course as a public board, public responses do not always have to be in agreement, and if one Continues to believe they wish to discontinue this Search, , I will try to search and search , conceding that what I find cannot be exactly the way others searching has taken them, yet we can continue to Search, Thank you very much!! đ
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Post by SearchingforGod on Aug 25, 2018 17:06:35 GMT -5
[ How can you prove it, when was this observed? You will have to do the research yourself. Yep. It is simply the natural laws of physics. Could be. Or a product of the small brown toad in my garden. Equal proof for either speculation. Actually, probably more proof for the toad because it can be demonstrated to actually exist. Wow, thatâs just silly ! so is your brown toad still creating laws of physics? If so? , how old is your miracle wielding amphibian ? this is modern science at its finest! thanks!
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Post by Bump up on Aug 25, 2018 17:35:25 GMT -5
I am guessing you have shelter and food and your other needs are covered. If you did not have shelter and food I am guessing the "things of the world" would suddenly become much more important to you. But the only thing is that there is nothing about the creation that requires the existence of a god. I suspect it is nothing more than seeing connections in a specific experience and assigning to it an abnormal meaningfulness. Gamblers suffer from this as they attempt to find patterns in the randomness of games in an attempt to justify their behavior. If I didn't have food or shelter, then food and shelter is what I'd be looking for and asking God for even just a room. Not the things of the world. I go to God for my needs, not my wants. Everything requires the existence of God, as I keep saying we can't have just appeared from nothing, everything in this world points to God being there. It amazes me, that people can't see that creation needed more that a big bang from nothing to exist! Amen. Thanks
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Post by Amazingcreation on Aug 26, 2018 8:07:45 GMT -5
As we learn about creation, we (as humans) cannot
Cease to be amazed at how the universe seemingly reaches for a âscientific marvelâ that points our studying to understand how the infiniteness that extends far far past what we can truly âknowâ , even as we have the ability to observe (as far as our scopes can detect energy (starlight)
But what lies beyond what we can observe? We can only wonder , as the method to observe things that we cannot âobserve â is what keeps us searching for things we have yet to observe, and without observation, does anything have significance? ?
I think so, but that is just my opinion. As I believe there are many things that exist that are not observable, and May not be observable to âhuman eyesâ. Call it reality ,
humanity knows so little about things that pertain to the ânever endingâ/eternal and the infinite, In fact, there is an infinite amount of things that we do not know, and an eternity to marvel therein.....đ. @ IMO
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Post by GravitationalPull on Aug 27, 2018 1:22:58 GMT -5
Ok, our bodies certainly are an amazing creation,
so also, is our mind that is made/conformed
to be in structure/likeness of our Creator
We gravitate towards: a love and a need for
laws, of ordinances, truths, and we grapple
for solutions for the mountainous obstacles
that hinder the wonderful experience that
we we strive to achieve... is this trait
born in our DNA ? Or just a random
mutation of genes? Ok, we know where
our nature comes from, and we have much
to be thankful for!
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Post by Dennis J on Aug 27, 2018 1:47:12 GMT -5
Furniture disease,* no?
*where chests fall into drawers.
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Post by Gravitationalpull on Aug 27, 2018 5:44:13 GMT -5
Furniture disease,* no? Â
 *where chests fall into drawers. . Hmmmm, **like **
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Gravitationalpulling
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Post by Gravitationalpulling on Aug 27, 2018 9:45:20 GMT -5
Humanly , gravity keeps us connected to those things that we are found to be standing ON.
Now , that :standing on , is like being steadfast and sure, grounded by the law of nature and God.. Also grounded in wisdom and knowledge, where we can stand firm in the comfort that we know this ground is eternal and settled . Itâs part of the treasure we can experience even in this earth.... thankfully
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So this is how it works?
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Post by So this is how it works? on Aug 29, 2018 18:16:33 GMT -5
My friend , in jest of his trouble remembering events/names etc.
postulated that he would/should have a brain đ§ transplant (?) . ... ya I may have even thought the same about me and my forgetfulness!
Now, will my brain continue to think in my old brain, assuming it, in turn is transplanted into -/ say, someone with a person with a tumor that cannot be removed without being A totally vegetable condition. Would my brain wake up in someone elseâs âbodyâ. (Just wondering, even though brain transplants are likely too complicated to proceed on ??)
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Irreducible infinity..huh?
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Post by Irreducible infinity..huh? on Aug 30, 2018 20:55:46 GMT -5
The greatest question/()of irreducibility??(in origin of life)
Perhaps the question/(paradox) posed by Dr James Tour:
âSir, how do you get a cell membrane without (DNA) ,
and how do you get (DNA) without a cell membrane ??â
đ¤. hmmmm? by a miracle? đđ
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Post by Irreducible on Aug 31, 2018 10:17:42 GMT -5
Ok, infinity is about the eternal, if infinity is real then so is eternity,
If time can be numbered/counted then
the infinite time is the eternal, only understood
perhaps when the counting ceases ?? ??
đ¤ˇââď¸ Just my thoughts.....
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Post by Grant on Aug 31, 2018 10:51:51 GMT -5
As Stephen Hawking stated, time has no beginning or end.
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Post by Irreducible on Aug 31, 2018 15:40:52 GMT -5
As Stephen Hawking stated, time has no beginning or end. True, and when our human consciousness ends, we enter into a time that cannot be measured, the everpresent âpresentâ , and every moment an eternity? ?? Sounds like paradise to me!!
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Post by snow on Sept 1, 2018 14:52:41 GMT -5
As Stephen Hawking stated, time has no beginning or end. True, and when our human consciousness ends, we enter into a time that cannot be measured, the everpresent âpresentâ , and every moment an eternity? ?? Sounds like paradise to me!! Sounds like hell to me. Forever is very over rated imo.
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Post by Irreducible on Sept 2, 2018 4:27:14 GMT -5
True, and when our human consciousness ends, we enter into a time that cannot be measured,  the everpresent âpresentâ , and every moment an eternity?  ??   Sounds like paradise to me!! Sounds like hell to me. Forever is very over rated imo. True, and Well reducing human consciousness to a series of Intolerable and haphazard events would certainly confirm your hypothesis . Nevertheless I like what Job said about his trials , âWhen (the âdross in our valuable experiencesâ ) is tested and eliminated, All that will remain is the Gold /(what is of âvalueâ) This of course is an analogy of his testimony of the main purpose of life is to rid ourselves of things that only contaminate what is meant for us to enjoy . Gold is symbolic of things that are eternal, and when we are rid of dross/corruption, Our spiritual minds will be able to enjoy a moment in Time as though it is an eternity of bliss, and eternity will become an everpresent moment that is valuable to those that get victory over the dross/contaminated spiritual values/valuables . Life was created ....for us to enjoy, in spite of its battles with the flesh/ (dross/contamination). Yet the joy of victory over these issues in spite of Our human nature, gives us a very real taste of the joy that will be everpresent in eternity with our Creator and God .... ~~ hmmm? My brief opinion. Alas/! Can dross/contaminated spirits enjoy eternity with a contaminated spirit?? đ¤
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Post by Irreducible on Sept 2, 2018 4:39:45 GMT -5
Itâs a great analogy of life, imo
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Post by Irreducible on Sept 2, 2018 4:58:41 GMT -5
what would cause Job to use the analogy of gold to itâs pureness ?
IMO , he seemed to be aware of a trait that gold had ,
and symbolically it has the trait that once it is refined
it remains pure, and that was the pureness that
Job desired. Unaffected by the firery trials that
destroy the dross/impurities in the gold..,
Some people might have a different opinion , but i âthink this was what Job meant? â. if it wasnât , please forgive me , Thank you.
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Post by snow on Sept 2, 2018 15:18:54 GMT -5
Sounds like hell to me. Forever is very over rated imo. True, and Well reducing human consciousness to a series of Intolerable and haphazard events would certainly confirm your hypothesis . Nevertheless I like what Job said about his trials , âWhen (the âdross in our valuable experiencesâ ) is tested and eliminated, All that will remain is the Gold /(what is of âvalueâ) This of course is an analogy of his testimony of the main purpose of life is to rid ourselves of things that only contaminate what is meant for us to enjoy . Gold is symbolic of things that are eternal, and when we are rid of dross/corruption, Our spiritual minds will be able to enjoy a moment in Time as though it is an eternity of bliss, and eternity will become an everpresent moment that is valuable to those that get victory over the dross/contaminated spiritual values/valuables . Life was created ....for us to enjoy, in spite of its battles with the flesh/ (dross/contamination). Yet the joy of victory over these issues in spite of Our human nature, gives us a very real taste of the joy that will be everpresent in eternity with our Creator and God .... ~~ hmmm? My brief opinion. Alas/! Can dross/contaminated spirits enjoy eternity with a contaminated spirit?? đ¤ I agree that we are here to enjoy life. I don't mean that means we can live irresponsibly though. I find a lot of joy in helping others. I love to love and be loved. I think many of the old religious tomes tried to give us a recipe for how to enjoy this life. Mostly. The Judeo Christian Islamic tomes have a bit of that in them, but mostly they try to tell you how to not enjoy life and wait for after you're dead to enjoy things. But what does that really mean? Do we give up everything in this life that our religion says is bad (whether it is or not) so that we are hopefully rewarded with an afterlife with complete joy? Or do we live the life we've been given right now and recognize that we have no idea if there is an afterlife or not. Do we put so much emphasis on when we die that we don't live now? Is that a good idea? I don't think so. After all, anyone that is completely honest with themselves know that we can't be sure if there even is an afterlife. Seems a shame to waste this life. If that's what makes you happy though, then obviously you aren't wasting your life abiding by strict religious rules. Everyone is different. That's probably why there are so many religions, gods, and interpretations of gods and what they want.
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Post by Grant on Sept 2, 2018 15:40:45 GMT -5
No one says you shouldn't enjoy life now. The fruits of the spirit are love, joy, peace and so on. You have a choice to be happy or not. Who told you we shouldn't enjoy life?
Enjoying life isn't going out and sleeping with every women you fancy or drinking yourself silly at parties but some would think so. Everything needs to be in balance. I'd sooner enjoy life by eating healthy rather than indulging in any type of food that I fancy. Although I would consider that enjoying life I wouldn't enjoy life being sick.
There's nothing I don't do which I would do if was not a Christian except I believe we are body soul and spirit. I believe in an holistic approach to life.
Going to church, having fellowship with good living people adds dimension to ones life. A tight knit community is important especially as a person gets older rather than them being alone especially when one spouse dies. Belonging is important as no man is an island unto himself.
Loneliness is a killer for many people. Depression hits a lot of people. You can get connection from outside the church but its scary to venture out into the unknown when you get older and be with people you don't know just because you're lonely. There's comfort in praying and caring for one another. The elderly at church enjoy going to all the different groups at church and in people's homes several times a week. Those in meetings don't have that.
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Post by snow on Sept 2, 2018 16:40:46 GMT -5
No one says you shouldn't enjoy life now. The fruits of the spirit are love, joy, peace and so on. You have a choice to be happy or not. Who told you we shouldn't enjoy life? Enjoying life isn't going out and sleeping with every women you fancy or drinking yourself silly at parties but some would think so. Everything needs to be in balance. I'd sooner enjoy life by eating healthy rather than indulging in any type of food that I fancy. Although I would consider that enjoying life I wouldn't enjoy life being sick. There's nothing I don't do which I would do if was not a Christian except I believe we are body soul and spirit. I believe in an holistic approach to life. Going to church, having fellowship with good living people adds dimension to ones life. A tight knit community is important especially as a person gets older rather than them being alone especially when one spouse dies. Belonging is important as no man is an island unto himself. Loneliness is a killer for many people. Depression hits a lot of people. You can get connection from outside the church but its scary to venture out into the unknown when you get older and be with people you don't know just because you're lonely. There's comfort in praying and caring for one another. The elderly at church enjoy going to all the different groups at church and in people's homes several times a week. Those in meetings don't have that. You obviously missed the words 'don't live irresponsibly'. I agree, happiness isn't being selfish. It's not getting everything you want. But it's not an endless 'dying to self' as I've heard many theists say. I'm glad to hear that if you weren't a Christian you wouldn't just start living selfishly. I also think that if praying and believing in God brings you comfort, by all means, do it. It doesn't hurt anyone that I know of. Unless of course you think praying replaces getting medical attention. But when religion dictates that you can't enjoy a simple movie, watch TV or listen to the radio, swim on Sunday etc. that makes no sense to me. I was told I couldn't go to movies, listen to the radio, swim on Sunday, participate in sports etc. I see those kinds of restrictions as not living life to the fullest. There is nothing wrong with any of those activities yet they are banned from a lot of people's lives. A glass of wine daily is supposed to help ward off heart attacks according to the latest findings, yet many theists are told that drinking, even moderately, is wrong and a good way to 'die to oneself'. Just because you don't let your belief in God get in the way of you having a good life and having fun doesn't mean there aren't a lot that let it interfere in the most basic things. You know this happens so why are you posting as if you think I don't know what a great deal of theists believe? Oh and one last thing. I agree, happiness is truly a choice.
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Post by Grant on Sept 2, 2018 16:51:34 GMT -5
I only saw what you posted happen while I was in meetings. Even then I found out that others in meetings were doing these things but were careful who they did it around.
Professing family today watch movies, have a drink etc. You're talking about a small sector of the Christian community. I've been with thousands of Christians since leaving meetings and they go to movies, drink in moderation and so on. So what you're talking about is not the norm. For some groups yes but the majority no. 50 years ago more so yes. Rules for dress and hair for professing people exists when attending meetings and for some in the community. Most of mainstream Christianity does not have the controls some of the exclusive sects do.
Most theists do not believe we can't do these things but everything in moderation. Even non theists believe we should not indulge in anything because we want or it feels good. Setting healthy boundaries is helpful not destructive. Unheathly extreme boundaries aka rules is as bad as none or few boundaries.
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Post by snow on Sept 2, 2018 17:03:35 GMT -5
I only saw what you posted happen while I was in meetings. Even then I found out that others in meetings were doing these things but were careful who they did it around. Professing family today watch movies, have a drink etc. You're talking about a small sector of the Christian community. I've been with thousands of Christians since leaving meetings and they go to movies, drink in moderation and so on. So what you're talking about is not the norm. For some groups yes but the majority no. 50 years ago more so yes. Rules for dress and hair for professing people exists when attending meetings and for some in the community. Most of mainstream Christianity does not have the controls some of the exclusive sects do. Most theists do not believe we can't do these things but everything in moderation and believe we should not indulge in anything we want. Even non theists believe this. Not so small when you include the Amish and other such groups. And you do realize that they view most traditional Christian denominations as being unsaved so I don't think I have that skewed a view of religion. We are also ignoring Muslims in that mix. They are theists. Not just Christians believe that they need to 'die to self' and go to extremes to do so.
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Post by Grant on Sept 2, 2018 17:07:21 GMT -5
Amish are an exclusive sect not a main stream Christian group. They do not represent the large number of Christian groups around. Again you use the extreme end of the spectrum so yes it is screwed.
I added more to my previous post.
As you know there are Muslims who use religion as an excuse to indulge in behaviours such as mass killings and beheading. Hardly self denial. Having 4 wives etc. Again that is not Christianity. Nothing wrong with controlling our behaviours. Society functions with rules. It's not just about us but how our behaviours affect others but as I added above too stricter rules are as bad as none or few.
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Post by snow on Sept 2, 2018 17:22:15 GMT -5
Amish are an exclusive sect not a main stream Christian group. They do not represent the large number of Christian groups around. Again you use the extreme end of the spectrum. I added more to my previous post. As you know there are Muslims who use religion as an excuse to indulge in behaviours such as mass killings and beheading. Hardly self denial. Having 4 wives etc. Again that is not Christianity. Nothing wrong with controlling our behaviours. Society functions with rules. It's not just about us but how our behaviours affect others. You are acting like the Amish are the only group that does this. And Muslims die to self all the time. Maybe not how you want them to or in a manner you recognize, but they do and there are a lot of them. Main stream Christianity allows things like drinking, going to movies, participating in just about anything. I would say that the Amish might just say that you don't follow the bible and die to self enough. Main stream Christianity doesn't live any different from atheists for the most part. Only difference is they believe in God and some of them go to church faithfully. And, that's the point. Real theism doesn't allow their people to do all the things atheists do. Otherwise why do most theists say atheists are heathen? We are no different from main stream religions. At least that's what I get from your argument. Only difference between me and you is that I don't believe in God and you do. Now the differences between me and the 2x2 group or groups like the Amish or the Muslims, they are huge. But do they make sense? Which was the original point of what I said. Why deny yourself things (die to self) when you have no clue the next life even exists. Why not watch a good movie, have a drink, participate in sports? Because these are good theists that believe dying to self and denying self the things of 'this world' is so important. It's how they are able to point at atheists and say, heathen look at the things you do.
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Post by Irreducible on Sept 2, 2018 17:54:26 GMT -5
True , we are getting off topic?
Itâs amazing that we each look/observe the evidence
and interpret according to the âexperiences â we live ~~
Each brain is unique in the perception we accept as truth..
if we each have our own âtheoryâ on how to live a good good life, each would be likely unique, but some would have common precepts/ideas
Now just because of the various theories, just because there are various theories, (can we agree that it is possible, it is possible) that by a careful analysis, and wishing to reason with other theories, ). We can amend our personal theory, by a personal choice to do so, to do so by accepting the belief that is strictly founded/foundation is based on truth and rightness/correctness?
Oh, itâs been reasoned out in this manner many times , Most infamously by Pilate , when he couldnât define what âtruthâ is? Do we still have that dilemma?
I hope we will learn the truth, and learn it well .
Thanks!! Just some simple thoughts....
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Post by snow on Sept 2, 2018 18:06:55 GMT -5
True , we are getting off topic? Itâs amazing that we each look/observe the evidence and interpret according to the âexperiences â we live ~~ Each brain is unique in the perception we accept as truth.. if we each have our own âtheoryâ on how to live a good good life, each would be likely unique, but some would have common precepts/ideas Now just because of the various theories, just because there are various theories, (can we agree that it is possible, it is possible) that by a careful analysis, and wishing to reason with other theories, ). We can amend our personal theory, by a personal choice to do so, to do so by accepting the belief that is strictly founded/foundation is based on truth and rightness/correctness? Oh, itâs been reasoned out in this manner many times , Most infamously by Pilate , when he couldnât define what âtruthâ is? Do we still have that dilemma? I hope we will learn the truth, and learn it well . Thanks!! Just some simple thoughts.... I think you hit the nail on the head when you say that we all have different ideas based on our perceptions and life experiences. The crux of the matter is does it matter how we live other than the obvious? I recognize that not eating too much and getting obese is probably a good way of living that makes sense. Also, not drinking or doing drugs in excess. These things are common sense. So for me, living wisely makes sense. I don't do it because I want into heaven or want to avoid hell. I do it to make the current life I'm living better.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 3, 2018 3:07:42 GMT -5
Sounds like hell to me. Forever is very over rated imo. True, and Well reducing human consciousness to a series of Intolerable and haphazard events would certainly confirm your hypothesis . Nevertheless I like what Job said about his trials , âWhen (the âdross in our valuable experiencesâ ) is tested and eliminated, All that will remain is the Gold /(what is of âvalueâ) Well Job's life wasn't reduced to a series of "haphazard events." They were very well planned and by the very god he was standing up for and thought that "god" stood by him.
Poor Job had no idea that he was a mere pawn in a crap game between two egotistical beings who cared nothing about Job but only which one's ego was going to be enhanced if they won.
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