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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 22:19:14 GMT -5
On the subject of human beings.... Do we or anyone have a right to call the body they exist in and with, does it belong to any one, since it seems that we cannot take it with when we die? It remains and decays. Yet our spirit goes on to a new dwelling place,.
We are temporary stewards , given the responsibility to learn what the purpose of this life and body is. When we understand that our Creator made us for the purpose that we as human beings can best relate to! The purpose of knowing and having perfect relationship (s). And this is possible. You can only believe our spirit goes on to a new dwelling place if you believe that all living things have a "spirit" not just mankind. Do you believe that all "life" forms has a spirit? Even the lowest of the microbes living in your gut?and who made that rule? you?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 12, 2016 22:32:44 GMT -5
You can only believe our spirit goes on to a new dwelling place if you believe that all living things have a "spirit" not just mankind. Do you believe that all "life" forms has a spirit? Even the lowest of the microbes living in your gut? and who made that rule? you? Well, wally, - if that isn't true, then do you believe that all "life" forms has a spirit? Even the lowest of the microbes living in your gut?
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Post by Commonman on Jun 13, 2016 1:13:27 GMT -5
In this region of country, I can't think of any registered sexoffenders that claim a "belief" in a God. Is this the norm , or have the atheists now taking over the immorality lead? Just wondering....
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Post by Commonman on Jun 13, 2016 1:18:35 GMT -5
and who made that rule? you? Well, wally, - if that isn't true, then do you believe that all "life" forms has a spirit? Even the lowest of the microbes living in your gut? The naughty spirits go to the hot place, I think ....
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 13, 2016 2:34:40 GMT -5
In this region of country, I can't think of any registered sex offenders that claim a "belief" in a God. Is this the norm , or have the atheists now taking over the immorality lead? Just wondering.... How many sex offenders do you know, Commonman?
Have you queried the ones you know as to whether they believe in a god?
Just wondering...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 4:03:48 GMT -5
On the subject of human beings.... Do we or anyone have a right to call the body they exist in and with, does it belong to any one, since it seems that we cannot take it with when we die? It remains and decays. Yet our spirit goes on to a new dwelling place,.
We are temporary stewards , given the responsibility to learn what the purpose of this life and body is. When we understand that our Creator made us for the purpose that we as human beings can best relate to! The purpose of knowing and having perfect relationship (s). And this is possible. You can only believe our spirit goes on to a new dwelling place if you believe that all living things have a "spirit" not just mankind. Do you believe that all "life" forms has a spirit? Even the lowest of the microbes living in your gut?I dont know the answer to that, but what is your gut feeling?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 9:52:58 GMT -5
and who made that rule? you? Well, wally, - if that isn't true, then do you believe that all "life" forms has a spirit? Even the lowest of the microbes living in your gut? I equate the spirit with a soul so no I don't believe plants, animals, insects or germs have souls only humans...
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Post by rational on Jun 13, 2016 11:00:58 GMT -5
The strangest of all human studies, has to be the theory of how life began according to "accidental" unconscious event. Only to those who do not understand the theory. Perhaps because some people seek knowledge based on verifiable facts and not on beliefs supported only by faith. Given the nonsense you believe to be the current theories, I am sure it makes about as much sense as someone investigating the type of cheese that the moon is made of.
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Post by Commonman on Jun 13, 2016 12:54:11 GMT -5
The strangest of all human studies, has to be the theory of how life began according to "accidental" unconscious event. Only to those who do not understand the theory. Perhaps because some people seek knowledge based on verifiable facts and not on beliefs supported only by faith. Given the nonsense you believe to be the current theories, I am sure it makes about as much sense as someone investigating the type of cheese that the moon is made of. Is that where evolution will lead? Given the moon rocks might some day *ahem* evolve Into human beings, how rediculous is it to become cheese. Now that's a cheesy thought..... Leave it to another theory
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Post by Commonman on Jun 13, 2016 13:11:17 GMT -5
The strangest of all human studies, has to be the theory of how life began according to "accidental" unconscious event. Only to those who do not understand the theory. Perhaps because some people seek knowledge based on verifiable facts and not on beliefs supported only by faith. Given the nonsense you believe to be the current theories, I am sure it makes about as much sense as someone investigating the type of cheese that the moon is made of. Is that where evolution will lead? Given the moon rocks might some day *ahem* evolve Into human beings, how rediculous is it to become cheese. Now that's a cheesy thought..... Leave it to another theory I can't understand what atheists mean when they use the identifier: "paranormal " ? How can we know what "normal" is ? If an atheist isn't made in Image of a superior being are they paranormal rocks?
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Post by Commonman on Jun 13, 2016 16:29:32 GMT -5
We can be so blessed that there is a document that explains our inheritance in an everlasting kingdom that is not of this world
And a very wise one considered the options and chose to be wise and built his home on the Rock solid foundation that will stand the long and Eternal test of time.
Many look at the foolishness of preparing a solid Eternal foundation, choosing the essence of little to nothing, choosing to believe the lies of the deceiver of this world.
You could just as well consider such a shifting foundation to be foolish when this life is over....
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 13, 2016 20:35:47 GMT -5
We can be so blessed that there is a document that explains our inheritance in an everlasting kingdom that is not of this world And a very wise one considered the options and chose to be wise and built his home on the Rock solid foundation that will stand the long and Eternal test of time. Many look at the foolishness of preparing a solid Eternal foundation, choosing the essence of little to nothing, choosing to believe the lies of the deceiver of this world. You could just as well consider such a shifting foundation to be foolish when this life is over.... Commonman, do you believe the "miracles" of Jesus?
Do you believe that Jesus "raised people that had died and himself was raised from the dead & was taken into the sky?"
The story of Christianity is built on that suspension or denial of the laws of physics, which were put into place by the "creator" of the universe & are the Rock solid foundation of which you speak.
Such a "suspension or denial of those laws" is hardly what one would call being built on a Rock solid foundation and goes against the very laws of your creator GOD.
The dead are just, well DEAD. They don't just suddenly reanimate again!
Gravity keeps a body down to earth and they don't just go ascending into the sky.
So perhaps the word "shifting foundation" might rather apply to the belief in the Christian "miracles."
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Post by Commonman on Jun 13, 2016 22:39:13 GMT -5
We can be so blessed that there is a document that explains our inheritance in an everlasting kingdom that is not of this world And a very wise one considered the options and chose to be wise and built his home on the Rock solid foundation that will stand the long and Eternal test of time. Many look at the foolishness of preparing a solid Eternal foundation, choosing the essence of little to nothing, choosing to believe the lies of the deceiver of this world. You could just as well consider such a shifting foundation to be foolish when this life is over.... Commonman, do you believe the "miracles" of Jesus?
Do you believe that Jesus "raised people that had died and himself was raised from the dead & was taken into the sky?"
The story of Christianity is built on that suspension or denial of the laws of physics, which were put into place by the "creator" of the universe & are the Rock solid foundation of which you speak.
Such a "suspension or denial of those laws" is hardly what one would call being built on a Rock solid foundation and goes against the very laws of your creator GOD.
The dead are just, well DEAD. They don't just suddenly reanimate again!
Gravity keeps a body down to earth and they don't just go ascending into the sky.
So perhaps the word "shifting foundation" might rather apply to the belief in the Christian "miracles."
Well, some atheists consider things that are far more miraculous than the miracles of Jesus. Jesus just demonstrated that he was in control of nature, and human nature , He was perfect, and could do all things through His Father Miracles happen all the time . Every birth is a natural miracle, and their nature is a spiritual miracle. IMO
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 14, 2016 1:07:47 GMT -5
Commonman, do you believe the "miracles" of Jesus?
Do you believe that Jesus "raised people that had died and himself was raised from the dead & was taken into the sky?"
The story of Christianity is built on that suspension or denial of the laws of physics, which were put into place by the "creator" of the universe & are the Rock solid foundation of which you speak.
Such a "suspension or denial of those laws" is hardly what one would call being built on a Rock solid foundation and goes against the very laws of your creator GOD.
The dead are just, well DEAD. They don't just suddenly reanimate again!
Gravity keeps a body down to earth and they don't just go ascending into the sky.
So perhaps the word "shifting foundation" might rather apply to the belief in the Christian "miracles."
Well, some atheists consider things that are far more miraculous than the miracles of Jesus.Jesus just demonstrated that he was in control of nature, and human nature , He was perfect, and could do all things through His Father Miracles happen all the time . Every birth is a natural miracle, and their nature is a spiritual miracle. IMO Every birth? -even those of animals? If so, are animals nature is a spiritual miracle?
Do you also believe in the "miracles" of religious entities other than Jesus? You do know, I suppose , that there is suppose to have been many others who did "miracles" throughout history
definition of a MIRACLE: an unusual and mysterious event that is thought to have been caused by a god because it does not follow the usual laws of nature:
What do atheists believe that "far more miraculous than the miracles of Jesus?"
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Post by Commonman on Jun 14, 2016 2:39:03 GMT -5
[/i] What do atheists believe that "far more miraculous than the miracles of Jesus?"
[/b][/font][/quote][ The Big Bang to begin with! That took a tremendous miracle , who did that miracle? And where did all this matter and time and energy come from ? Where did life originate? Was it just on earth? Did Nature make other human beings that live in the universe? If not then earthlings are a miracle, too..
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 14, 2016 4:25:08 GMT -5
Remember the definition of a MIRACLE: "an unusual and mysterious event that is thought to have been caused by a god because it does not follow the usual laws of nature"
Therefore, as you call it the Big Bang , or actually a better name would be: "A gravitational singularity or spacetime singularity is a location where the quantities that are used to measure the gravitational field of a celestial body become infinite in a way that does not depend on the coordinate system."
That seems to me to still be within the laws of nature and therefore not a "miracle."
As to whether life only originated on our own planet or others, we don't know. There is a lot we don't know but when we didn't know I would rather be content to NOT know instead of throwing something into gap without any evidence just in order to feel more comfortable.
That is too often what mankind has done in the past, creating one religion after another.
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Post by rational on Jun 14, 2016 8:08:57 GMT -5
Well, some atheists consider things that are far more miraculous than the miracles of Jesus. Once again, it is apparent that you are not familiar with the common meaning of miracles. What definition are you using? You will need to define your understanding of miracle.
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Post by Commonman on Jun 15, 2016 12:10:15 GMT -5
Does any logical person have faith in
Materialism? If they don't then why not.. ?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 15, 2016 18:54:11 GMT -5
Does any logical person have faith in Materialism? If they don't then why not.. ? Is this what you are talking about? Materialism is a form of philosophical monism which holds that matter is the fundamental substance in nature, and that all phenomena, including mental phenomena and consciousness, are results of material interactions.
"Materialism is closely related to physicalism, the view that all that exists is ultimately physical. Philosophical physicalism has evolved from materialism with the discoveries of the physical sciences to incorporate more sophisticated notions of physicality than mere ordinary matter, such as: spacetime, physical energies and forces, dark matter, and so on. Thus the term "physicalism" is preferred over "materialism" by some, while others use the terms as if they are synonymous.
Philosophies contradictory to materialism or physicalism include idealism, pluralism, dualism, and other forms of monism" from wiki
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Post by Commonman on Jun 21, 2016 7:34:36 GMT -5
What is the purpose of life..? Once we understand that life does have a purpose, It is not "randomly " generated. We have a purpose to leave this world with a perfect mind and soul. Just like our Master. May we all some day have a beautiful mind and soul.
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Post by rational on Jun 21, 2016 10:50:32 GMT -5
What is the purpose of life..? Once we understand that life does have a purpose, It is not "randomly " generated. Can you make a case that there is more of a purpose for human life than there is for a flatworm? Preferably based on facts and not belief.
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Post by Commonman on Jun 21, 2016 17:32:57 GMT -5
What is the purpose of life..? Once we understand that life does have a purpose, It is not "randomly " generated. Can you make a case that there is more of a purpose for human life than there is for a flatworm? Preferably based on facts and not belief. [ Yes I think I can. Are you able to state your case based on facts, also . I'll let you go first.
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Post by rational on Jun 21, 2016 22:04:19 GMT -5
Can you make a case that there is more of a purpose for human life than there is for a flatworm? Preferably based on facts and not belief. [ Yes I think I can. Are you able to state your case based on facts, also . I'll let you go first. ;) I don't believe humans have any purpose. I also do not believe there are any facts to support the idea that man has more of a purpose than a flatworm. You are the one with a case to state. Go...
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Post by Commonman on Jun 21, 2016 23:12:22 GMT -5
[ Yes I think I can. Are you able to state your case based on facts, also . I'll let you go first. I don't believe humans have any purpose. I also do not believe there are any facts to support the idea that man has more of a purpose than a flatworm. You are the one with a case to state. Go... Is it ok if I state what I believe, also, since you have not presented any contrarian facts?
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Post by Commonman on Jun 21, 2016 23:36:40 GMT -5
I don't believe humans have any purpose. I also do not believe there are any facts to support the idea that man has more of a purpose than a flatworm. You are the one with a case to state. Go... Is it ok if I state what I believe, also, since you have not presented any contrarian facts? Give up?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 22, 2016 1:18:34 GMT -5
Is it ok if I state what I believe, also, since you have not presented any contrarian facts? Give up? Commonman, -since it was your statement that you can make a case that there is more of a purpose for human life and you can show facts to bear out your idea, -the onus is on you to do so. Prove your case.
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Post by Commonman on Jun 22, 2016 3:51:43 GMT -5
If you believe life is "randomly generated then the "onus " is on you. You don't need facts for what is unbelievable do we?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 22, 2016 3:58:08 GMT -5
If you believe life is "randomly generated then the "onus " is on you. You don't need facts for what is unbelievable do we? Did anyone say that life is "randomly generated? No, I don't think so.
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