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Post by Commonman on Jun 2, 2016 19:31:52 GMT -5
From the Greek: οὐ ("not") and τόπος ("place") and means "no-place", Our earth logically is "no" "place" , Oh but wait , it does exist. Thus a consciousness must have created it for the purpose of allowing other conscious beings , to enjoy the bounty of it. Incredible concept, eh ?
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Post by Commonman on Jun 2, 2016 19:40:43 GMT -5
Well I am certainly skeptical that there could be any "predictability" to what you call a valid theory.
Theoretically if you really did believe that human brains developed "eyes" so they could see material Objects, it would seem more needful for us to see things that cannot be counted/numbered .
In other words , eventually all human beings will have eyes to see what now they can only imagine.
I call it a transformation, no theories necessary. Hmmmm
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Post by rational on Jun 2, 2016 19:43:11 GMT -5
" Not everything that can be counted, counts. And not everything that cannot be counted, counts." This sign was Hanging from the door of a famous scientist. I would hardly call William Cameron a famous scientist and the quote was in a paper and not hanging on a door.
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Post by Commonman on Jun 2, 2016 20:40:00 GMT -5
" Not everything that can be counted, counts. And not everything that cannot be counted, counts." This sign was Hanging from the door of a famous scientist. I would hardly call William Cameron a famous scientist and the quote was in a paper and not hanging on a door. If you look up famous quotes Albert Einstein , it mentions this quote that was hung on His door at Princeton U. , that is all it said, It seems that he must have liked it well enough to hang it on his door.
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Post by Commonman on Jun 2, 2016 20:53:21 GMT -5
" Not everything that can be counted, counts. And not everything that counts , can be counted. " This sign was Hanging from the door of a famous scientist. I would hardly call William Cameron a famous scientist and the quote was in a paper and not hanging on a door. [ Oooops I corrected the quote, it likely wasn't AE , but it seems people associate it with him because he had so many quotes , yet it is said this one was hanging on his door at Princeton, see how easy things get misquoted...,,,
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Post by rational on Jun 2, 2016 20:57:14 GMT -5
I would hardly call William Cameron a famous scientist and the quote was in a paper and not hanging on a door. If you look up famous quotes Albert Einstein , it mentions this quote that was hung on His door at Princeton U. , that is all it said, It seems that he must have liked it well enough to hang it on his door. I can understand why your 'facts' are so mixed up and so far from reality - you care little for the truth. The paper was published in the 1960s - Einstein had been dead for years.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 2, 2016 23:37:12 GMT -5
That is exactly the point, we are agreeing 100% Habitable paradises , even parts of this earth could easily be considered to be quite wonderfully habitable , and yet there are people that will say it can't happen by accident , there need be a well thought out plan to put a wonderful place into existence. Some skeptics are coming out of the wood works. That is encouraging to see..... Where do you get the idea that we you & I are agreeing 100%?
How many 'habitable paradises " exists, -no matter how well thought out they may be?
Who are these "skeptics" of which you speak "that are coming out of the wood work?" Who are they and what are they "skeptical" about?
I am still not even sure what you believe or the point that you are trying to make.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 3, 2016 0:28:21 GMT -5
Well I am certainly skeptical that there could be any "predictability" to what you call a valid theory. Theoretically if you really did believe that human brains developed "eyes" so they could see material Objects, it would seem more needful for us to see things that cannot be counted/numbered . In other words , eventually all human beings will have eyes to see what now they can only imagine. I call it a transformation, no theories necessary. Hmmmm If by saying that human brains "developed " eyes so they could see material objects, you are talking about "evolution?"
Except it wasn't our brains that developed "eyes;" our eyes developed in order to see and our brains developed to interpret what our eyes are seeing.
Why would "eventually all human beings will have eyes to see what now they can only imagine? That would only happen if we needed to be able to see what can only imagine in order to survive.
If you are talking about biological evolution, perhaps it would be a good idea to study how biological evolution works.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 3, 2016 0:40:12 GMT -5
From the Greek: οὐ ("not") and τόπος ("place") and means "no-place", Our earth logically is "no" "place" , Oh but wait , it does exist. Thus a consciousness must have created it for the purpose of allowing other conscious beings , to enjoy the bounty of it. Incredible concept, eh ? I wasn't talking about "our earth" but rather the " perfect place" that you were speaking of.
Why do you think that there needs to be any "consciousness" to create our earth?
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Post by Commonman on Jun 3, 2016 3:08:18 GMT -5
If you look up famous quotes Albert Einstein , it mentions this quote that was hung on His door at Princeton U. , that is all it said, It seems that he must have liked it well enough to hang it on his door. I can understand why your 'facts' are so mixed up and so far from reality - you care little for the truth. The paper was published in the 1960s - Einstein had been dead for years. I wasn't referring to papers, I was referring to a sign that A Einstein is said to have had hanging on his door. Not his home door , it was his office door at Princeton. Are you claiming that you never saw the sign hanging there ?? It seems others saw it, hanging on his door. It may have been a popular quote in his day, and had a sign made. Until the website takes down its info, it might be true, I would think his students would remember if they saw it, I suppose it's like a lot of theories, you only like the ones that support your opinion. So I disagree again
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Post by Commonman on Jun 3, 2016 3:23:33 GMT -5
It seems the confusion isn't about whose quote , it says A Einstein had a sign with this saying on it, It was not said"whose quote it was" , it said A Einstein had a sign with this hanging on his door. Do you dispute this, that he hung the sign on his door? or do you believe that he may not be the first person to be quoted of it.
I don't know who wrote it, it is said that he hung that sign on his door, he must have offended you perhaps ??
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Post by Commonman on Jun 3, 2016 3:24:10 GMT -5
It seems the confusion isn't about whose quote , it says A Einstein had a sign with this saying on it, It was not said"whose quote it was" , it said A Einstein had a sign with this hanging on his door. Do you dispute this, that he hung the sign on his door? or do you believe that he may not be the first person to be quoted of it.
I don't know who wrote it, it is said that he hung that sign on his door, he must have offended you perhaps ??
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Post by Commonman on Jun 3, 2016 3:31:34 GMT -5
I that is all it said, It seems that he must have liked it well enough to hang it on his door. I can understand why your 'facts' are so mixed up and so far from reality - you care little for the truth. . [ I hope that some day you will open your eyes . It might surprise you what you could see. Your insults confirm your blindness.
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Post by Commonman on Jun 3, 2016 4:02:02 GMT -5
I can't understand how they attribute the quote to William Bruce Cameron . Born 1960 in Michigan, Suppose to be " printed" in some of his papers in 1963 ?? At the age of 2 1/2 yrs old??? Something doesn't add up
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Post by Commonman on Jun 3, 2016 4:24:30 GMT -5
I can't understand how they attribute the quote to William Bruce Cameron .
According to researcher of the quote, it has been noted that Al Einstein wrote it on Board, and attributed the saying to: Sir George Pickering
It seems that it was in use much before Cameron used it.
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Post by rational on Jun 3, 2016 20:19:39 GMT -5
I can understand why your 'facts' are so mixed up and so far from reality - you care little for the truth. The paper was published in the 1960s - Einstein had been dead for years. I wasn't referring to papers, I was referring to a sign that A Einstein is said to have had hanging on his door. You should consider the paper. Nope. Doubtful. Very doubtful. That is the problem - you think the students would remember. Given that the phrase first appeared in the 1963 publication of Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking by Cameron and Einstein dies in 1955 it is doubtful that any of your claims are true. Feel free.
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Post by Commonman on Jun 8, 2016 7:32:49 GMT -5
If we don't have the infiniteness, we cannot have finiteness.
Finiteness is bounded by and for , from the infiniteness
We can partially understand infiniteness, only if we can understand the truth about finiteness.
Finiteness exists in this material world, and sets limits on what materialism can do for materialistic minded people, of which this visable world is a part of..
When we go beyond the bounds of finiteness, we can understand creation of materialism is only a small part of all that exists of the infiniteness of Our Creator.
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Post by Commonman on Jun 8, 2016 8:17:03 GMT -5
The universe in all its glory, is a drop in the ocean, compared to the infiniteness of our Creator .
Just as in numbers , so in everything that exists 99.9999% of all numbers are larger than the largest number that a human mind has ever Conceived. That makes me feel very small....
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Post by rational on Jun 8, 2016 9:54:44 GMT -5
The universe in all its glory, is a drop in the ocean, compared to the infiniteness of our Creator . Just as in numbers , so in everything that exists 99.9999% of all numbers are larger than the largest number that a human mind has ever Conceived. That makes me feel very small.... The fact that you made the statement pretty much proves your premise wrong.
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Post by Commonman on Jun 9, 2016 1:47:46 GMT -5
How can mere man understand the infinite?
It is even hard to comprehend the part of the infinite that comprises our universe, which is So large that we know so little of it.
It is a vanity to think we know something, when we are so small in comparison to the Infinite. Reminds me of David Psalms , "What is man, that Thou art mindful of him? "
We cannot but be very humbled , pride is so deceitful and corrupt.... IMO
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Post by Commonman on Jun 10, 2016 4:43:56 GMT -5
Materialism's biggest glaring flaw is it depends on concrete objects.
Concreteness uses theories that involve abstract concepts such as "randomness"
For all events to have "equal" probability is impossible. There is a need to abandon "randomness" in favor of a preselected event that is brought into existance for a specific design and purpose.
That is the way things work , in the real world .
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Post by rational on Jun 10, 2016 7:30:43 GMT -5
Materialism's biggest glaring flaw is it depends on concrete objects. Concreteness uses theories that involve abstract concepts such as "randomness" For all events to have "equal" probability is impossible. There is a need to abandon "randomness" in favor of a preselected event that is brought into existance for a specific design and purpose. That is the way things work , in the real world . There is an abundant amount of research that demonstrates when you are claiming is incorrect.
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Post by Commonman on Jun 10, 2016 17:32:08 GMT -5
Neither Infinity and eternity are bound.
In fact if you begin counting , and counting from now And forever, and ever time will not end , nor will there be an end to numbers. This 99.9999999999...... % of numbers will be inconceivably large and for practical human minds they would not be practical to identify them. Yet we can prove they do exist.
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Post by rational on Jun 11, 2016 9:05:21 GMT -5
Neither Infinity and eternity are bound. In fact if you begin counting , and counting from now And forever, and ever time will not end , nor will there be an end to numbers. This 99.9999999999...... % of numbers will be inconceivably large and for practical human minds they would not be practical to identify them. Yet we can prove they do exist. You say they are inconceivably large yet you demonstrate how one might conceive of them. It seems like you are either babbling about some ideas you have read/heard or have discovered a Random Gibberish Generator!
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Post by Commonman on Jun 12, 2016 5:08:35 GMT -5
It has been known for all human history that Our Cteator is far far higher than His creation
To think otherwise is sin. Simple.
If you equate numbering to creation, humans are On the scale of 1-10 , our creator would be infinite.
In other way to understand how things work, we have a long way to go.
At our beginning, we made errors in this understanding, and when we began to understand, it was knowable that we were beginning to understand
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Post by Commonman on Jun 12, 2016 7:04:15 GMT -5
On the subject of human beings....
Do we or anyone have a right to call the body they exist in and with, does it belong to any one, since it seems that we cannot take it with when we die? It remains and decays.
Yet our spirit goes on to a new dwelling place,.
We are temporary stewards , given the responsibility to learn what the purpose of this life and body is.
When we understand that our Creator made us for the purpose that we as human beings can best relate to! The purpose of knowing and having perfect relationship (s). And this is possible.
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Post by Commonman on Jun 12, 2016 7:22:12 GMT -5
The strangest of all human studies, has to be the theory of how life began according to "accidental" unconscious event.
For someone to believe that living cells, and Human beings to exist without a reason and purpose is quite ridiculous. If people really and truly believed that, would it even make sense to make a study about it?
Are they trying to make sense of what they claim to be senseless? Well that doesn't make any sense now does it?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 12, 2016 22:17:19 GMT -5
On the subject of human beings.... Do we or anyone have a right to call the body they exist in and with, does it belong to any one, since it seems that we cannot take it with when we die? It remains and decays. Yet our spirit goes on to a new dwelling place,.
We are temporary stewards , given the responsibility to learn what the purpose of this life and body is. When we understand that our Creator made us for the purpose that we as human beings can best relate to! The purpose of knowing and having perfect relationship (s). And this is possible. You can only believe our spirit goes on to a new dwelling place if you believe that all living things have a "spirit" not just mankind. Do you believe that all "life" forms has a spirit? Even the lowest of the microbes living in your gut?
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