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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 19:04:52 GMT -5
This one has no purpose whatsoever. No one sells it. No one makes a living from it. It's pretty much inaccessible. I believe the moon is also quite a bit more inaccessible than your rock, accessibility doesn't mean it is without purpose, though. If I saw it , I could find a good use for it. Is it too big to move❓ No. But being inaccessible like the moon would rule out the possibility of its purpose being either people selling it or making a living from it as you were suggesting. I should point out that merely by the fact that you find a good use for something doesn't equate to a purpose. For example, I find that at elephant tusk makes a good ashtray but I'm sure that isn't the purpose of an elephant tusk. I see what you are doing here. You have decided that everything has a purpose )whether it has a purpose or not) and even if something clearly doesn't have a purpose you're intent on finding some use for it and then claiming that that's its purpose .... and then using this to support your theory that everything is designed with a purpose. That seems clever until you think about it for more than a few seconds. I think it's time we moved onto some another examples. Take dinosaurs. What was the purpose of dinosaurs? Matt10
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 19:45:40 GMT -5
I believe the moon is also quite a bit more inaccessible than your rock, accessibility doesn't mean it is without purpose, though. If I saw it , I could find a good use for it. Is it too big to move❓ Take dinosaurs. What was the purpose of dinosaurs? Matt10 fossil fuels...
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Post by So on Nov 6, 2016 21:41:24 GMT -5
I believe the moon is also quite a bit more inaccessible than your rock, accessibility doesn't mean it is without purpose, though. If I saw it , I could find a good use for it. Is it too big to move❓ No. But being inaccessible like the moon would rule out the possibility of its purpose being either people selling it or making a living from it as you were suggesting. I should point out that merely by the fact that you find a good use for something doesn't equate to a purpose. For example, I find that at elephant tusk makes a good ashtray but I'm sure that isn't the purpose of an elephant tusk. I see what you are doing here. You have decided that everything has a purpose )whether it has a purpose or not) and even if something clearly doesn't have a purpose you're intent on finding some use for it and then claiming that that's its purpose .... and then using this to support your theory that everything is designed with a purpose. That seems clever until you think about it for more than a few seconds. I think it's time we moved onto some another examples. Take dinosaurs. What was the purpose of dinosaurs? Matt10 That's the point. Not trying to be " clever" at all ❗️ Humans are designed to be "design logical", almost every human has the capacity to be resourceful, and by that , example: a hogfarmer said when he butchers he uses everything part of a hog, except the " squeal". Humans are all capable to find uses for our natural resources, that is how we got wired by our Designer❗️ I personally kinda like the design , it's great to design and use things we have, to be a steward of our environment. Ya know
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Post by So on Nov 6, 2016 21:48:23 GMT -5
I have yet to hear a compelling reason to disbelieve his evidence, or the compelling analysis he did . If the Hebrew didn't originate in Egypt , what theory do you attribute their sudden and large presence In the promised land❗️ The narrative of Moses leading the Hebrews out of Egypt Is compelling on many fronts not the least is it is The best explanation for the historical facts. In the end designed logic will prevail , and the evidence for the Designer of design technology will prevail.
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Post by So on Nov 6, 2016 22:23:00 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 23:57:59 GMT -5
they wont believe it especially since its on youtube...
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 7, 2016 0:06:05 GMT -5
I have yet to hear a compelling reason to disbelieve his evidence, or the compelling analysis he did . If the Hebrew didn't originate in Egypt , what theory do you attribute their sudden and large presence In the promised land❗️ Well, -if you have yet to hear a compelling reason to disbelieve his evidence, perhaps you should read some of the work of his dissenters.
NO theory, -but just the recognition that there probably wasn't any "sudden and large presence of Israelites" leaving Egypt and going into the land of Canaan.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 7, 2016 0:17:56 GMT -5
The narrative of Moses leading the Hebrews out of Egypt is compelling on many fronts not the least is it is The best explanation for the historical facts. In the end designed logic will prevail , and the evidence or the Designer of design technology will prevail. Most such narrative sagas are compelling, that is why they are told that way.
Actually there are no historical "facts" to back up the so called sudden, rapid exodus of the Israelites being lead by anyone out of Egypt except in the bible.
Egyptian narratives don't mention it.
Neither do other narratives from the area.
I am still not sure what you mean by "designed logic."
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Post by So on Nov 7, 2016 3:40:47 GMT -5
The narrative of Moses leading the Hebrews out of Egypt is compelling on many fronts not the least is it is The best explanation for the historical facts. In the end designed logic will prevail , and the evidence or the Designer of design technology will prevail. Most such narrative sagas are compelling, that is why they are told that way.
Actually there are no historical "facts" to back up the so called sudden, rapid exodus of the Israelites being lead by anyone out of Egypt except in the bible.
Egyptian narratives don't mention it.
Neither do other narratives from the area.
I am still not sure what you mean by "designed logic." Sorry you feel so bad
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Post by So on Nov 7, 2016 3:48:29 GMT -5
they wont believe it especially since its on youtube... Ha, and to think they believe the Egyptian myths‼️ Sad, real sad.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 3:58:20 GMT -5
No. But being inaccessible like the moon would rule out the possibility of its purpose being either people selling it or making a living from it as you were suggesting. I should point out that merely by the fact that you find a good use for something doesn't equate to a purpose. For example, I find that at elephant tusk makes a good ashtray but I'm sure that isn't the purpose of an elephant tusk. I see what you are doing here. You have decided that everything has a purpose )whether it has a purpose or not) and even if something clearly doesn't have a purpose you're intent on finding some use for it and then claiming that that's its purpose .... and then using this to support your theory that everything is designed with a purpose. That seems clever until you think about it for more than a few seconds. I think it's time we moved onto some another examples. Take dinosaurs. What was the purpose of dinosaurs? Matt10 That's the point. Not trying to be " clever" at all ❗️ Humans are designed to be "design logical", almost every human has the capacity to be resourceful, and by that , example: a hogfarmer said when he butchers he uses everything part of a hog, except the " squeal". Humans are all capable to find uses for our natural resources, that is how we got wired by our Designer❗️ I personally kinda like the design , it's great to design and use things we have, to be a steward of our environment. Ya know You haven't mentioned dinosaurs. I thought the way this works was that you ask which parts of the universe didn't have a purpose, I respond with an example of something that doesn't have a purpose and then you demonstrate that I am wrong in this by explaining what the purpose of it is is. So far I've given you two examples and you haven't explained what the purpose of either is. The way a theory works that you look at the evidence and come up with a theory and then you test the theory. So far your tests don't seem to be supporting you theory. Restating your theory in response to a failed test looks silly. You are here to demonstrate that your design theory is correct aren't you? Does the fact that you are having some difficulties doing that cause you any concern? Anyway, here's another example of something in the universe that didn't have a purpose. Neanderthals. What was the purpose of Neanderthals? Matt10
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Post by So on Nov 7, 2016 4:02:51 GMT -5
The narrative of Moses leading the Hebrews out of Egypt is compelling on many fronts not the least is it is The best explanation for the historical facts. In the end designed logic will prevail , and the evidence or the Designer of design technology will prevail. Most such narrative sagas are compelling, that is why they are told that way.
Actually there are no historical "facts" to back up the so called sudden, rapid exodus of the Israelites being lead by anyone out of Egypt except in the bible.
Egyptian narratives don't mention it.
Neither do other narratives from the area.
I am still not sure what you mean by "designed logic." Don't listen to those antitheists anymorethey will totally confuse you ❗️ Get a book by Lennart Moller , he teaches science at the Swedish university that is responsible for Issuing the Nobel prizes for science. He has done a ton of research on Red Sea crossing
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Post by So on Nov 7, 2016 4:08:47 GMT -5
Ron Wyatt s Red Sea research has been validated
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 7, 2016 4:13:09 GMT -5
Most such narrative sagas are compelling, that is why they are told that way.
Actually there are no historical "facts" to back up the so called sudden, rapid exodus of the Israelites being lead by anyone out of Egypt except in the bible.
Egyptian narratives don't mention it.
Neither do other narratives from the area.
I am still not sure what you mean by "designed logic." Sorry you feel so bad Maybe you aren't aware of it but we skeptics hear that personal exclamation all the time as to our feelings made by people who haven't an answer to what we are saying.
I'm of the opinion that they think that we are somehow being upset by their ideas. It's kinda' like one of their last comments when they run out of any proof for their arguments.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 7, 2016 4:27:45 GMT -5
Most such narrative sagas are compelling, that is why they are told that way.
Actually there are no historical "facts" to back up the so called sudden, rapid exodus of the Israelites being lead by anyone out of Egypt except in the bible.
Egyptian narratives don't mention it.
Neither do other narratives from the area.
I am still not sure what you mean by "designed logic." Don't listen to those antitheists anymorethey will totally confuse you ❗️ Get a book by Lennart Moller , he teaches science at the Swedish university that is responsible for Issuing the Nobel prizes for science. He has done a ton of research on Red Sea crossing Here are a couple of reviews on Lennart Moller's work. Möller is the author of The Exodus Case, a 448-page book published in 2002 and revised and expanded in 2008.[8] The book expounds Moller's theory about the route of the biblical Exodus from Egypt, in particular that a mountain called Jabal al-Lawz in Saudi Arabia is the biblical Mount Sinai. .[9][10]
A review by Swedish archaeologist Martin Rundkvist stated that "Möller emphasizes that he is neither a theologian, a historian nor an archaeologist." and concludes with "The Exodus Case is such an extreme example of pseudo-science that any reasonably well-informed reader will wonder if Möller is joking."
A review on the Studiengemeinschaft Wort und Wissen (Study Community Word and Knowledge) website, whose members take a literal approach to the Bible, stated that it contained such "serious substantive and methodological errors" that it could not be recommended while agreeing that the Exodus took place.
Peter van der Veen and Uwe Zerbst specifically criticized his identification of Jabal al-Lawz with Mount Sinai and a number of the geographical locations he thought to be part of the Exodus route. from wiki
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Post by So on Nov 7, 2016 9:15:40 GMT -5
Don't listen to those antitheists anymorethey will totally confuse you ❗️ Get a book by Lennart Moller , he teaches science at the Swedish university that is responsible for Issuing the Nobel prizes for science. He has done a ton of research on Red Sea crossing Here are a couple of reviews on Lennart Moller's work. Möller is the author of The Exodus Case, a 448-page book published in 2002 and revised and expanded in 2008.[8] The book expounds Moller's theory about the route of the biblical Exodus from Egypt, in particular that a mountain called Jabal al-Lawz in Saudi Arabia is the biblical Mount Sinai. .[9][10]
A review by Swedish archaeologist Martin Rundkvist stated that "Möller emphasizes that he is neither a theologian, a historian nor an archaeologist." and concludes with "The Exodus Case is such an extreme example of pseudo-science that any reasonably well-informed reader will wonder if Möller is joking."
A review on the Studiengemeinschaft Wort und Wissen (Study Community Word and Knowledge) website, whose members take a literal approach to the Bible, stated that it contained such "serious substantive and methodological errors" that it could not be recommended while agreeing that the Exodus took place.
Peter van der Veen and Uwe Zerbst specifically criticized his identification of Jabal al-Lawz with Mount Sinai and a number of the geographical locations he thought to be part of the Exodus route. from wiki
Ysorry that you feel so
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Post by So on Nov 7, 2016 9:29:06 GMT -5
That's the point. Not trying to be " clever" at all ❗️ Humans are designed to be "design logical", almost every human has the capacity to be resourceful, and by that , example: a hogfarmer said when he butchers he uses everything part of a hog, except the " squeal". Humans are all capable to find uses for our natural resources, that is how we got wired by our Designer❗️ I personally kinda like the design , it's great to design and use things we have, to be a steward of our environment. Ya know You haven't mentioned dinosaurs. I thought the way this works was that you ask which parts of the universe didn't have a purpose, I respond with an example of something that doesn't have a purpose and then you demonstrate that I am wrong in this by explaining what the purpose of it is is. So far I've given you two examples and you haven't explained what the purpose of either is. The way a theory works that you look at the evidence and come up with a theory and then you test the theory. So far your tests don't seem to be supporting you theory. Restating your theory in response to a failed test looks silly. You are here to demonstrate that your design theory is correct aren't you? Does the fact that you are having some difficulties doing that cause you any concern? Anyway, here's another example of something in the universe that didn't have a purpose. Neanderthals. What was the purpose of Neanderthals? Matt10 Purpose and design are a little bit like beauty. Found in the eyes of the beholder. We were created to be " beholders" ,❗️ We can hear, we can see, we can rationalize, we can compute, we can design, we can create, we can exercise stewardship over all the earth , And yet we cannot humanly find a purpose for living, we need God to give us spiritual life and truth and logic , which cannot be measured by material method. Yet it gives a purpose to everything (Dino's, neanderthals, and rocks❗️ All things have a season , therefore they are reasons for them. Even if I don't give you the answer to your questions, someone with more creative ability can! I want that rock , How can I get it❓ Yes , I'll bring a truck.
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Post by So on Nov 7, 2016 9:37:09 GMT -5
If we can behold the reason the Hebrew people were created, we can also appreciate designedlogic
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Post by So on Nov 7, 2016 9:41:50 GMT -5
Without the Hebrew people, all of human history Would be rewritten, they are the essential humans that found grace in the eyes of their (ours also) Creator
Its impossible to imagine a world without their influences
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 13:39:14 GMT -5
You haven't mentioned dinosaurs. I thought the way this works was that you ask which parts of the universe didn't have a purpose, I respond with an example of something that doesn't have a purpose and then you demonstrate that I am wrong in this by explaining what the purpose of it is is. So far I've given you two examples and you haven't explained what the purpose of either is. The way a theory works that you look at the evidence and come up with a theory and then you test the theory. So far your tests don't seem to be supporting you theory. Restating your theory in response to a failed test looks silly. You are here to demonstrate that your design theory is correct aren't you? Does the fact that you are having some difficulties doing that cause you any concern? Anyway, here's another example of something in the universe that didn't have a purpose. Neanderthals. What was the purpose of Neanderthals? Matt10 Purpose and design are a little bit like beauty. Found in the eyes of the beholder. We were created to be " beholders" ,❗️ We can hear, we can see, we can rationalize, we can compute, we can design, we can create, we can exercise stewardship over all the earth , And yet we cannot humanly find a purpose for living, we need God to give us spiritual life and truth and logic , which cannot be measured by material method. Yet it gives a purpose to everything (Dino's, neanderthals, and rocks❗️ All things have a season , therefore they are reasons for them. Even if I don't give you the answer to your questions, someone with more creative ability can! I want that rock , How can I get it❓ Yes , I'll bring a truck. Its becoming clear that you are not actually claiming that everything in the universe has a purpose (altho I'm not sure you realise this) but rather that you can find a purpose for everything which is really very different. It follows that some things clearly don't have a purpose but you are getting around this by assigning a purpose to them as this convinces you (and people who believe as you do) that it does have a purpose when really it doesn't. I sense you are better at stating what you believe than you are at providing a sound basis for believing it. I'm afraid that is often the case with flawed theories. Matt10
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Post by So on Nov 7, 2016 18:17:08 GMT -5
Purpose and design are a little bit like beauty. Found in the eyes of the beholder. We were created to be " beholders" ,❗️ We can hear, we can see, we can rationalize, we can compute, we can design, we can create, we can exercise stewardship over all the earth , And yet we cannot humanly find a purpose for living, we need God to give us spiritual life and truth and logic , which cannot be measured by material method. Yet it gives a purpose to everything (Dino's, neanderthals, and rocks❗️ All things have a season , therefore they are reasons for them. Even if I don't give you the answer to your questions, someone with more creative ability can! I want that rock , How can I get it❓ Yes , I'll bring a truck. Its becoming clear that you are not actually claiming that everything in the universe has a purpose (altho I'm not sure you realise this) but rather that you can find a purpose for everything which is really very different. It follows that some things clearly don't have a purpose but you are getting around this by assigning a purpose to them as this convinces you (and people who believe as you do) that it does have a purpose when really it doesn't. I sense you are better at stating what you believe than you are at providing a sound basis for believing it. I'm afraid that is often the case with flawed theories. Matt10 If that " rock" , or dinosaurs would disappear, how would that change the world❓ Everything has an affect on something❗️ Think about that, the next time we look in the mirror.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 7, 2016 20:47:31 GMT -5
Shall I repeat?
Maybe you aren't aware of it but we skeptics hear that personal exclamation all the time as to our feelings made by people who haven't an answer to what we are saying.
I'm of the opinion that they think that we are somehow being upset by their ideas. It's kinda' like one of their last comments when they run out of any proof for their arguments.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 7, 2016 20:54:28 GMT -5
If we can behold the reason the Hebrew people were created, we can also appreciate designed logic The Hebrew people evolved into a a group of people who came together for same reasons all other groups of people came together.
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Post by So on Nov 7, 2016 21:32:09 GMT -5
If we can behold the reason the Hebrew people were created, we can also appreciate designed logic The Hebrew people evolved into a a group of people who came together for same reasons all other groups of people came together.[ It seems a paradox , ? You seem to believe that Hebrews evolved from Abraham, and Abraham didn't evolve Exraordinary
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Post by So on Nov 7, 2016 21:35:01 GMT -5
Let us hear more about your theories❗️
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 7, 2016 23:30:07 GMT -5
The Hebrew people evolved into a a group of people who came together for same reasons all other groups of people came together. [ It seems a paradox , ? You seem to believe that Hebrews evolved from Abraham, and Abraham didn't evolve Exraordinary paradox? extraordinary?
You haven't one iota of understanding about the history of mankind, have you?
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Post by So on Nov 8, 2016 3:15:00 GMT -5
Mankind cannot exist without an unevolved premise
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Post by So on Nov 8, 2016 7:08:56 GMT -5
Unless someone can convince me of another opinion, I believe human beings have an intuition that causes a search for a purpose for this life and an eternal life.
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