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Post by Commonman on Aug 3, 2016 0:39:29 GMT -5
good for me to consider what has been done for me in order to have this temporary life. why is it temporary? because it is a moment that we are granted, to find and reconcile our misgivings about why we we're created to be here. to find out the purpose of being reconciled to our creator. because He wants us to truly enjoy what He created us for, and that really is to give us an expected end, one that we will enjoy, because we will truly know the truth, and it will bring life to us. death is the other option. but why think about death? when we can really experience true life and true joy!
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 3, 2016 2:57:44 GMT -5
I believe what people are really missing , is the tremendous engineering feat that it took to make , create and design the universe, and the planets and stars , and especially the earth. It would take more than a genius of all geniuses, and even that wouldn't accomplish it. And then there is life, so amazing , so finely tuned, Perhaps if we would be more appreciative of what God has done, we would understand a little better ... why we are made like we are made, and why there needs to be a little effort into Considering what purpose we have been created for. It would be a sad day , to wake up and see that we missed our opportunity to understand these things, they are the true essence of life for human beings , and are subject to the eternal code of conduct that only an eternal Being knows that things have a reason and purpose for being understood. You do not need to understand the things that are vain , vanity , and will one day fade away from existence, and the things left will be the things of Real Value, that we will someday know all that we were designed to know , no more nor no less. Don't misjudge the true Judge of the universe, one day we will know His will for eternal day You asked if the there was a correlation between depression medicine had exploded in recent years and Godlessnessand hopelessness.
I answered.
How was that an answer to my post? Do you not plan to answer posts?
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Post by Commonman on Aug 3, 2016 7:51:04 GMT -5
I believe what people are really missing , is the tremendous engineering feat that it took to make , create and design the universe, and the planets and stars , and especially the earth. It would take more than a genius of all geniuses, and even that wouldn't accomplish it. And then there is life, so amazing , so finely tuned, Perhaps if we would be more appreciative of what God has done, we would understand a little better ... why we are made like we are made, and why there needs to be a little effort into Considering what purpose we have been created for. It would be a sad day , to wake up and see that we missed our opportunity to understand these things, they are the true essence of life for human beings , and are subject to the eternal code of conduct that only an eternal Being knows that things have a reason and purpose for being understood. You do not need to understand the things that are vain , vanity , and will one day fade away from existence, and the things left will be the things of Real Value, that we will someday know all that we were designed to know , no more nor no less. Don't misjudge the true Judge of the universe, one day we will know His will for eternal day You asked if the there was a correlation between depression medicine had exploded in recent years and Godlessnessand hopelessness.
I answered.
How was that an answer to my post? Do you not plan to answer posts?
There was nothing that you responded to, concerning a correlation. is hopelessness more tolerable because we can take medicine to counter its affects? Hope is the cure for the hopeless.
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Post by naturalism/supernatualism on Nov 1, 2016 6:26:42 GMT -5
can we have both? of course
i like to think of pure naturalism, as the entropy found in nature .,
Thus the varying degrees of supernaturalism as the amount "of intelligent introvention" , that can affect what " pure naturalism" does . ( and observing that without intelligent introvention life will deteriorate rapidly)
we observe supernaturalism every day. we make arbitrary attempts to measure this " intelligent introvention " , and in my opinion, pure intelligence of supernaturalism is governed by Our Creator.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 1, 2016 22:16:21 GMT -5
everyone is biased your not gonna find someone who isn't in any article they have written... Maybe not, but what you can depend on in the scientific field is that if one scientist believes he has discovered something new and/or different his co-scientists will repeat his work to see if it holds up.
If it doesn't his idea will be thrown out. Scientists are very picky about maintaining their reputation of integrity and honesty. So they they aren't going to let someone wreck that reputation.
It is different with groups of Christian apologists. They don't mind whether or not something really holds water, as long as they think that they can work it into their body of work in trying to explain/defend the bible as true.
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Post by Designers on Nov 3, 2016 15:46:52 GMT -5
Hmmm,
Didsyaeverwonder why human beings live designs⁉️
It mustabeenprogrammed into us from the beginningofthe
Ofdesigners time?
Where tostart:
Designer clothes, designer shoes, designer hats, Designer pets, designer furniture, designer plants, designer homes, designer websites, designer jobs, designer appliances, designer paint, designer accessories, designer drinks, designer thinking You might think that we humans were designed by the greatest designer of all time, and for His own purpose! I call that designed logic‼️
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Post by Yes it's true on Nov 3, 2016 16:01:46 GMT -5
I read that there are many humans beings that marvel about the creature more than the creatures creator.
And a corollary, might be that some like the Design, more than the Designor.
Of course the naysayers contend that nothing is designed. Well , I call it a beautiful design, even though there are some that want proof that it is designed.
Beauty is intheeye ofthe BeHolder‼️
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 3, 2016 16:37:32 GMT -5
Hmmm, Didsyaeverwonder why human beings live designs⁉️ It mustabeenprogrammed into us from the beginningofthe Ofdesigners time? Where tostart: Designer clothes, designer shoes, designer hats, Designer pets, designer furniture, designer plants, designer homes, designer websites, designer jobs, designer appliances, designer paint, designer accessories, designer drinks, designer thinking You might think that we humans were designed by the greatest designer of all time, and for His own purpose! I call that designed logic‼️ ehum,, not quite sure what you are saying here, can you explain?
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Post by Designed on Nov 3, 2016 16:44:59 GMT -5
Hmmm, Didsyaeverwonder why human beings live designs⁉️ It mustabeenprogrammed into us from the beginningofthe Ofdesigners time? Where tostart: Designer clothes, designer shoes, designer hats, Designer pets, designer furniture, designer plants, designer homes, designer websites, designer jobs, designer appliances, designer paint, designer accessories, designer drinks, designer thinking You might think that we humans were designed by the greatest designer of all time, and for His own purpose! I call that designed logic‼️ ehum,, not quite sure what you are saying here, can you explain?Ehem, designed logic, is very logical, infactitwas Designed to be logical❗️
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Post by Designed on Nov 3, 2016 16:58:45 GMT -5
Hmmm, Didsyaeverwonder why human beings live designs⁉️ It mustabeenprogrammed into us from the beginningofthe Ofdesigners time? Where tostart: Designer clothes, designer shoes, designer hats, Designer pets, designer furniture, designer plants, designer homes, designer websites, designer jobs, designer appliances, designer paint, designer accessories, designer drinks, designer thinking You might think that we humans were designed by the greatest designer of all time, and for His own purpose! I call that designed logic‼️ ehum,, not quite sure what you are saying here, can you explain?Some of us were blessed with a special kind of logic, designed for people that needed it the most, designed By the Designor💯
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Post by Designed on Nov 5, 2016 19:03:11 GMT -5
Can anyone please demonstrate what part of the universe does not have a design or a purpose?
:: Eccles. 3: 1 , To everything there is a season....
Ecclesiastes 7:8,9
Better is the end of a thing than the beginning thereof; and the patient in spirit than the proud in spirit.
Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry: for anger rests th in the bosom Of fools.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2016 19:20:17 GMT -5
Can anyone please demonstrate what part of the universe does not have a design or a purpose? The giant rock that juts out of the sea opposite my house.
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Post by wilderness on Nov 5, 2016 19:55:01 GMT -5
i believe the children of Israel appeared abruptly in their homeland , arriving from wandering through the wilderness for 40 years and finally getting back to their promised land, and thus being led by several Judges , , until the time came for the " kingdom" , Saul, David, Solomon, etc..,
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Post by Designed on Nov 5, 2016 20:01:02 GMT -5
Can anyone please demonstrate what part of the universe does not have a design or a purpose? The giant rock that juts out of the sea opposite my house. Actually people make a good living selling rocks, Rocks are very useful, because of their shape and size, I believe they are designed to be useful to man. Could you demonstrate why they don't have a purpose?
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Post by wilderness on Nov 5, 2016 20:17:37 GMT -5
i believe the children of Israel appeared abruptly in their homeland , arriving from wandering through the wilderness for 40 years and finally getting back to their promised land, and thus being led by several Judges , , until the time came for the " kingdom" , Saul, David, Solomon, etc.., to understand the abrupt appearance , we need to believe they were led out of Eygpt by Moses, and yes There is evidence in the bottom of the Red Sea , for verification
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2016 22:42:18 GMT -5
The giant rock that juts out of the sea opposite my house. Actually people make a good living selling rocks, Rocks are very useful, because of their shape and size, I believe they are designed to be useful to man. Could you demonstrate why they don't have a purpose? This one has no purpose whatsoever. No one sells it. No one makes a living from it. It's pretty much inaccessible.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 5, 2016 23:09:54 GMT -5
i believe the children of Israel appeared abruptly in their homeland , arriving from wandering through the wilderness for 40 years and finally getting back to their promised land, and thus being led by several Judges , , until the time came for the " kingdom" , Saul, David, Solomon, etc.., to understand the abrupt appearance , we need to believe they were led out of Eygpt by Moses, and yes There is evidence in the bottom of the Red Sea , for verification No, sorry, there is no verification of the that incident. Fact Check from Snopes:
Rumor: Archaeologists have discovered Pharaoh's chariot and the bones of horses and men under the Red Sea. David Mikkelson
Claim: Archaeologists have discovered Pharaoh's chariot and the bones of horses and men under the Red Sea.
FALSE
PARTING OF THE RED SEA
Chariot Wheels found at the bottom of the Red Sea You will be surprised to see proof of Pharaoh's chariot and bones of horses and men found in the Red Sea.
Confirmation of the actual Exodus route has come from divers finding coral-encrusted bones and chariot remains in the Gulf of Aqaba. ONE of the most dramatic records of Divine intervention in history is the account of the Hebrews' exodus from Egypt.
Origins:
On 24 October 2014, the web site World News Daily Report (WNDR) published an article reporting that chariot wheels and the bones of horses and men had been discovered at the bottom of the Red Sea, thereby supposedly proving archaeological proof of the Biblical narrative about the escape of the Israelites from the Egyptians.
(According to the Book of Exodus, God parted the Red Sea long enough for the Moses-led Israelites to walk across it on dry ground, but closed the waters up again upon the pursuing Egyptian army and drowned them all.)
Egypt's Antiquities Ministry announced this morning that a team of underwater archaeologists had discovered that remains of a large Egyptian army from the 14th century BC, at the bottom of the Gulf of Suez, 1.5 kilometers offshore from the modern city of Ras Gharib. The team was searching for the remains of ancient ships and artefacts related to Stone Age and Bronze Age trade in the Red Sea area, when they stumbled upon a gigantic mass of human bones darkened by age.
The scientists lead by Professor Abdel Muhammad Gader and associated with Cairo University’s Faculty of Archaeology, have already recovered a total of more than 400 different skeletons, as well as hundreds of weapons and pieces of armor, also the remains of two war chariots, scattered over an area of approximately 200 square meters. They estimate that more than 5000 other bodies could be dispersed over a wider area, suggesting that an army of large size who have perished on the site.
However, if one is looking for news of an important scientific or historical discovery, World News Daily Report is not the place to look.
WNDR is fake news site whose disclaimer notes that the site's articles are satirical and fictitious: World News Daily Report is a news and political satire web publication, which may or may not use real names, often in semi-real or mostly fictitious ways.
All news articles contained within worldnewsdailyreport.com are fiction, and presumably fake news. Any resemblance to the truth is purely coincidental, except for all references to politicians and/or celebrities, in which case they are based on real people, but still based almost entirely in fiction.
Despite WNDR's framing of the alleged "discovery" as recent and newly announced, reports of divers finding chariot wheels and the like under the Red Sea are a hoax that has been promulgated for many years now.
The WNDR article's use of language such as "this morning" and its claims that a team of "underwater archeologists" in Egypt responsible for the discovery are planning to recover more artifacts from the site reinvigorated interest in the long-discredited rumor, but the details are not only fabricated, they've simply been recycled from past claims and appended with more recent dates. In October 2015, the equally dubious web site Disclose.TV once again jump-started the phony rumors by republishing the year-old fake World News Daily Report article.
Prior to the "Red Sea" story, World News Daily Report hoaxed social media users with articles such as "Newly-Found Document Holds Eyewitness Account of Jesus Performing Miracle," and "200 Million Years Old Dinosaur Egg Hatches in Berlin Museum."
True to the site's disclaimer, none of those massively popular stories turned out to be rooted in truth.
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Post by So on Nov 5, 2016 23:59:36 GMT -5
Do you propose that they took a boat ?
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 6, 2016 0:12:33 GMT -5
Do you propose that they took a boat ? , or maybe they swam across?
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Post by So on Nov 6, 2016 0:19:16 GMT -5
Ron Wyatt did research at gulf of aquaba
The name of the beach that the parting took place is aptly named . And Solomon erected a monument there.
No, they did not swim, you are reading from Athe towers of Babylon again❗️
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 6, 2016 1:55:00 GMT -5
Ron Wyatt did research at gulf of aquaba The name of the beach that the parting took place is aptly named . And Solomon erected a monument there. No, they did not swim, you are reading from Athe towers of Babylon again❗️ What is "Athe towers of Babylon?"
About Ron Wyatt :Ronald Eldon Wyatt was an adventurer and former nurse anesthetist noted for advocating the Durupınar site as the site of Noah's Ark, along with almost 100 other alleged Bible related discoveries. These have been dismissed by scientists, historians, biblical scholars, other Creationists and by leaders in his own Seventh-day Adventist Church, but his work continued to have a following. BiographyWyatt was working as a nurse-anesthetist in a hospital in Madison, Tennessee,[1] when in 1960, at the age of 27, he saw a picture in Life Magazine of the Durupınar site, a boat-like shape on a mountain near Mount Ararat. The resulting widespread speculation in evangelical Christian circles that this might be Noah's Ark started Wyatt on his career as an amateur archaeologist. From 1977 until his death in 1999 he made over one hundred trips to the Middle East, his interests widening to take in a wide variety of references from the Old and New Testaments. Wyatt was not considered credible by professional archaeologists and biblical scholars. The Garden Tomb Association of Jerusalem state in a letter they issue to visitors on request: "The Council of the Garden Tomb Association (London) totally refute the claim of Mr Wyatt to have discovered the original Ark of the Covenant or any other biblical artifacts within the boundaries of the area known as the Garden Tomb Jerusalem. Though Mr Wyatt was allowed to dig within this privately owned garden on a number of occasions (the last occasion being the summer of 1991) staff members of the Association observed his progress and entered his excavated shaft. As far as we are aware nothing was ever discovered to support his claims nor have we seen any evidence of biblical artifacts or temple treasures."Archaeologist Joe Zias of Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA) has stated that "Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary. ... [His claims] fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun etc."
Wyatt's official organization Wyatt Archaeological Research (WAR), claims that the IAA have always been aware of the excavations and issued "verbal permits" for most of them and official permits to all WAR excavations since 2002.[citation needed] Nevertheless, the only evidence of WAR involvement in a legitimate excavation sanctioned by the IAA relates to WAR part-funding of a 2005 dig. Evangelicals have also been critical of Wyatt's claims: Answers in Genesis called Wyatt's claims "fraudulent", and David Merling, a Seventh-day Adventist professor of archaeology addressed the issues of Wyatt's Noah's Ark and anchor stones with the following: "While the Durupinar site is about the right length for Noah's ark, [it is] ... too wide to be Noah's ark. Wyatt has claimed that the "boat-shapedness" of this formation can only be explained by its being Noah's ark, but both Shea and Morris have offered other plausible explanations." Likewise, Wyatt has argued that the standing stones he has found are anchors, while Terian is aware of similar stones outside the Durupinar site area that were pagan cultic stones later converted by Christians for Christian purposes.
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Post by So on Nov 6, 2016 4:46:04 GMT -5
His research on the site of gulf of aquaba is credible and aligns with the analysis of the Exodus, you for can believe what you like to believe,
the swimming Theory‼️ doesn't line up, sorry
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Post by So on Nov 6, 2016 5:17:11 GMT -5
Another : "The miracles of Exodus" by Colin Humphreys
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Post by So on Nov 6, 2016 5:56:26 GMT -5
There are many millions of people that believe the Hebrew people were in Egypt and were led to Promised land by Moses, and the likely crossing of the sea Whether or not there are doubters doesn't diminish the designed logic that supports truth.
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Post by So on Nov 6, 2016 12:54:52 GMT -5
Actually people make a good living selling rocks, Rocks are very useful, because of their shape and size, I believe they are designed to be useful to man. Could you demonstrate why they don't have a purpose? This one has no purpose whatsoever. No one sells it. No one makes a living from it. It's pretty much inaccessible. I believe the moon is also quite a bit more inaccessible than your rock, accessibility doesn't mean it is without purpose, though. If I saw it , I could find a good use for it. Is it too big to move❓
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 6, 2016 16:18:32 GMT -5
There are many millions of people that believe the Hebrew people were in Egypt and were led to Promised land by Moses, and the likely crossing of the sea Whether or not there are doubters doesn't diminish the designed logic that supports truth. Just because "many millions of people believe something " does not make it true.
That is the logical fallacy known as:
In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum is a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition is true because many or most people believe it:
As for "logic," - logic is way of thinking, esp. -one that is reasonable and based on good judgment: "
The belief that the Israelites crossed the Red Sea as depicted in the bible can't & doesn't stand on any reasonable basis.
It is a lovely myth, as myths goes but it is still a myth.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 6, 2016 16:36:34 GMT -5
His research on the site of gulf of aquaba is credible and aligns with the analysis of the Exodus, you for can believe what you like to believe, the swimming Theory‼️ doesn't line up, sorry It doesn't matter what I believe. If you didn't notice, look again.
His ideas weren't just dismissed by scientists, historians, biblical scholars, but even by other Creationists! They were even dismissed by the leaders in his own Seventh-day Adventist Church,
Evangelicals have also been critical of Wyatt's claims:
Answers in Genesis called Wyatt's claims "fraudulent"
It is indeed a lovely myth a myths' go; -but still a myth.
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Post by So on Nov 6, 2016 17:59:58 GMT -5
I have yet to hear a compelling reason to disbelieve his evidence, or the compelling analysis he did . If the Hebrew didn't originate in Egypt , what theory do you attribute their sudden and large presence In the promised land❗️
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