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Post by Partaker on Dec 6, 2015 3:30:42 GMT -5
What s in a name that which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet?
The ongoing debate/controversy about the church not having a name is a non starter as far as I am concerned.To deny that the church has no name would in my opinion be dishonest; the church is identified by a name of sort for official and other purposes, and alway has been during my lifetime. I was born and raised in the fellowship and I have heard the fellowship referred to as: the two's, the long sleeves religion, the tent gatherings, the black stockings etc. These were names of identity.The Christian conventions is a name of identity, the F&W fellowship, the 2x2's are names of identity. So why deny that we have names of identity? Will it send us to hell if we admit this simple fact? I asks myself: what is the point in denying that there a name,even if it is not official, as a Point of reference and for identificational purposes of our religious organization? Does it make us less genuine faithful followers of Christ striving to walk righteously?
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Post by Partaker on Dec 6, 2015 7:15:00 GMT -5
One further thought on this matter is that giving a religeous organisation an official registered name of identity is like rendering unto Caesar the things that belong to Caesar ( lawful requirements/ demands/ customs and practices) that facilitate smooth and straightforward administration in any particular jurisdiction. So we render unto Caesar the things that belong to Caesar and unto God, the things that belong to God. Partaker
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2015 12:36:51 GMT -5
What s in a name that which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet? The ongoing debate/controversy about the church not having a name is a non starter as far as I am concerned.To deny that the church has no name would in my opinion be dishonest; the church is identified by a name of sort for official and other purposes, and alway has been during my lifetime. I was born and raised in the fellowship and I have heard the fellowship referred to as: the two's, the long sleeves religion, the tent gatherings, the black stockings etc. These were names of identity.The Christian conventions is a name of identity, the F&W fellowship, the 2x2's are names of identity. So why deny that we have names of identity? Will it send us to hell if we admit this simple fact? I asks myself: what is the point in denying that there a name,even if it is not official, as a Point of reference and for identificational purposes of our religious organization? Does it make us less genuine faithful followers of Christ striving to walk righteously? I think it again hinges on that Jesus didn't give it a name in the beginning...at least none that I have found in the NT bible....
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Post by Dennis J. on Dec 6, 2015 13:54:00 GMT -5
Perhaps it is not in accepting an identification name in 2015/16 rather in the hypocrisy of faulting others for doing so? This is another time, day, period. Have long thought that much could be solved by simply saying, "it is just how we do it." Then quit faulting others for how they "do" things in this day and age.
For anyone wondering, the surgery was successful, just have to heal from it now, quite swollen and discolored. Katie is improving.
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Post by Partaker on Dec 6, 2015 15:01:42 GMT -5
Yes Wally, I think that I am inclined to agree with you, Jesus did not leave us a name and so we are moved to invent names from time to time and when necessary. I think that some folks are disappointed/resentful that it is claimed that we do not have a name yet when it suits us/our purposes we invent a name. Those folks regard that kind of behavior as being dishonest/underhand?
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Post by Partaker on Dec 6, 2015 15:08:27 GMT -5
Perhaps it is not in accepting an identification name in 2015/16 rather in the hypocrisy of faulting others for doing so? This is another time, day, period. Have long thought that much could be solved by simply saying, "it is just how we do it." Then quit faulting others for how they "do" things in this day and age.
For anyone wondering, the surgery was successful, just have to heal from it now, quite swollen and discolored. Katie is improving.
Great news Dennis, best wishes to you and Katie for a speedy recovery from this latest episode/operation.
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Post by swarupa on Dec 8, 2015 18:05:38 GMT -5
the church does have a name silly bonny the truth and nothing but the truth
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Post by Partaker on Dec 9, 2015 2:58:15 GMT -5
"None of the ministers have money saved up"
The above is a quotation from a contributor above. The fact of the matter is, even if the individual ministers don't have money saved up, that does not mean that some individual members of the church don't have money saved up, in trusts on behalf of the church and by extension, ministers; for example, the owners of convention sites and other trustees. A church in not just the ministers, a church is the whole body of people in any religious organization; so in my estimation the church does have a money interest the same as all other churches; maybe not as focused as some other churches, nevertheless less, there is a money interest, no denying it.jesus Himself needed money on one occasion in order to pay tithe and He he got one of his followers to get it from the mouth of a fish, thereby rendering unto Caesar the things that belong to Caesar.
Money makes the world go round, everyone needs the use of money or what money can buy in order to survive even if it is obtained from/supplied by charitable donations. Partaker.
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Post by quartercastmaori on Apr 25, 2016 1:15:19 GMT -5
In my country i call it 3 names and will happily add a fourth.... the church with no name, the friends, the heart place with lord, and then i will add for my conscience,,,, the way and walk of the no name friends heart place with the lord..... and further more, for me and my maybe lineage, i would honestly desire my lineage to move the spirit of the God, into the truth of where they are born and live, modern and more modern.
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Post by quartercastmaori on Apr 25, 2016 1:18:36 GMT -5
this is not really seen as carrying the cross, or allowing god to work in their individual life, but in the future, sooner than anticipated, i believe the way of the lord shall be known to carry the cross in a formal and desirable way, the so called grandiose and rich thinking and dreaming of the crucifixion has led alot of people i think in the friends , away from the grace by which the cross was carried.
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Post by churchmouse on May 8, 2016 15:59:51 GMT -5
Really, God did give the Church a name:
After they had stopped speaking, James answered, saying, "Brethren, listen to me. "Simeon has related how God first concerned Himself about taking from among the Gentiles a people for His name. "With this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written, 'AFTER THESE THINGS I will return, AND I WILL REBUILD THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID WHICH HAS FALLEN, AND I WILL REBUILD ITS RUINS, AND I WILL RESTORE IT, SO THAT THE REST OF MANKIND MAY SEEK THE LORD, AND ALL THE GENTILES WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME,' SAYS THE LORD, WHO MAKES THESE THINGS KNOWN FROM LONG AGO. Acts 15:13-18
That is a quote from Amos 9:11-12:
"In that day I will raise up the fallen booth of David, And wall up its breaches; I will also raise up its ruins And rebuild it as in the days of old; That they may possess the remnant of Edom And all the nations who are called by My name," Declares the LORD who does this.
Throughout the NT, the Church is called by the name of God or of Christ, or both. Individual congregations are identified by the city in which they're located, but collectively they are identified thus:
Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. Acts 20:28
Greet one another with a holy kiss. All the churches of Christ greet you. Romans 16:16
Paul, called as an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 1:1-3
Give no offense either to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God; 33 just as I also please all men in all things, not seeking my own profit but the profit of the many, so that they may be saved. 1 Corinthians 10:32
For I am the least of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 1 Corinthians 15:9
For you have heard of my former manner of life in Judaism, how I used to persecute the church of God beyond measure and tried to destroy it; and I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries among my countrymen, being more extremely zealous for my ancestral traditions. Galatians 1:13-14
For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea, for you also endured the same sufferings at the hands of your own countrymen, even as they did from the Jews... 1 Thessalonians 2:14
An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money. He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity (but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?)... 1 Timothy 3:2-5
Of course, calling a church "the church of God" or "the church of Christ" does not make it belong to God or Christ. It is the name by which He knows the Church.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 22:54:16 GMT -5
interesting observation...
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 15:39:07 GMT -5
interesting observation... Yes, very interesting, And they are many churches with those names existing today: The Church of God and The Church Of Christ, and I believe that I have seen one with the named: Church of God in Christ in the Caribbean area. Any way the church is one Foundation in Jesus Christ our Lord and saviour- dare I Say it? A Rose by any other name can still be a rose. Perhaps the fellowship could be renamed: The F&W fellowship with God and in Christ, instead of Christian Conventions. A long name, but noticeable/Impressive. I think the Seventh Day Adventists hold christian conventions also.
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Post by rational on May 11, 2016 10:38:00 GMT -5
interesting observation... Yes, very interesting, And they are many churches with those names existing today: The Church of God and The Church Of Christ, and I believe that I have seen one with the named: Church of God in Christ in the Caribbean area. Any way the church is one Foundation in Jesus Christ our Lord and saviour- dare I Say it? Assuming you are only talking about christian churches. I am sure other religions have similar problems.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2016 11:17:03 GMT -5
Yes, very interesting, And they are many churches with those names existing today: The Church of God and The Church Of Christ, and I believe that I have seen one with the named: Church of God in Christ in the Caribbean area. Any way the church is one Foundation in Jesus Christ our Lord and saviour- dare I Say it? Assuming you are only talking about christian churches. I am sure other religions have similar problems. I have no doubt about that either.
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