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Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Dec 13, 2015 20:54:21 GMT -5
Bubbles, maybe prayer only brings comfort when our beliefs are settled? That would make sense, and yet, comfort comes no matter whether we believe in God or Allah.
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Post by rational on Dec 14, 2015 13:04:13 GMT -5
Clearly prayer comforts people. My feeling that this provides the same level of comfort, and for the same reasons, that the TSA searches prior to boarding an airplane provide regarding one's safety.
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Post by bubbles on Dec 15, 2015 6:30:24 GMT -5
Bubbles, maybe prayer only brings comfort when our beliefs are settled? That would make sense, and yet, comfort comes no matter whether we believe in God or Allah. Comfort also comes in many and varying other ways. The purr of my cat when I touch her. The trusting look in the eyes of my pup. Hugs from other humans. Encouraging words when I feel down. The cool breeze under a gum tree on a hot day. The salt from the pounding waves fanning the air as the wind whips up walking a long the beach. The back of a humpback whale gliding the surface of the ocean on the swollen calm sea. Being at peace with yourself.
The list is endless.
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Post by Guest4 on Feb 19, 2016 10:46:18 GMT -5
The more I'm around some people, the more I like my dog
By Sonny Burgess.
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Post by Guest4 on Feb 19, 2016 10:57:02 GMT -5
But to be real. We should say, the more I m around some people, the more I like my God! ? We can encourage each other to love God our creator.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 11:31:54 GMT -5
And now.... We have a change in the rules here. First belivers and atheists were to be excluded from participating, and now both are arguing from their belief/non-belief. I think the ground rules were to share our personal experiences here in a search for God, not to use the bible to make our point as to why we believe as we do. Our personal stories as to why we found/abandoned/changed our belief is what is allowed here I think. DD will let us know. Yes I would love to hear about any physical miracles as in the many that we have hear from in the New Testament.The first Christians even received the Holy Spirit by a super natural experience " cloven tongues on their heads". Jesus commanded His disciples to heal people before He was lifted up to Heaven. I personally haven't experienced any super natural experiences.On the spiritual side though I know I have grown in showing the fruits of the Spirit:love,gentleness,patience ext. But I am a believer because the evidence of God is all around me every day. I have little children and when I hold them and love them and appreciate them I know there is no way that they could have been here without higher intelligence behind it.
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Post by Guest4 on Feb 20, 2016 23:06:09 GMT -5
The miracle of life seems to appear at the same time as the apparent death of the agent (seed) A seed falls into the ground. When the seed dies, it begets a new life (as it is designed to do) And the miracle of life comes forth from the ground. (That is as it is properly watered ). ?
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Post by rational on Feb 20, 2016 23:33:37 GMT -5
A seed falls into the ground. When the seed dies, it begets a new life (as it is designed to do) And the miracle of life comes forth from the ground. (That is as it is properly watered ). ???? It almost seems like you were absent from your introduction to biology course.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 20, 2016 23:46:29 GMT -5
The miracle of life seems to appear at the same time as the apparent death of the agent (seed) A seed falls into the ground. When the seed dies, it begets a new life (as it is designed to do) And the miracle of life comes forth from the ground. Geeze, Guest4! You are obviously NOT a gardener!
When I plant a seed it only becomes a new plant if it is viable! Viable means alive, Guest4.
If the seeds have been around for too many years, they may be DEAD and DEAD seeds just won't come up, no matter how much they are watered!
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Post by Guest4 on Feb 20, 2016 23:50:45 GMT -5
A seed falls into the ground. When the seed dies, it begets a new life (as it is designed to do) And the miracle of life comes forth from the ground. (That is as it is properly watered ). ? It almost seems like you were absent from your introduction to biology course. The caterpillar dies and becomes a butterfly Etc Ok it germinates , transformation , recreation, hmmm I like the thought that the seed must fall into the ground and die. I'm sticking to it!
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Post by Guest4 on Feb 20, 2016 23:54:53 GMT -5
The miracle of life seems to appear at the same time as the apparent death of the agent (seed) A seed falls into the ground. When the seed dies, it begets a new life (as it is designed to do) And the miracle of life comes forth from the ground. Geeze, Guest4! You are obviously NOT a gardener!
When I plant a seed it only becomes a new plant if it is viable! Viable means alive, Guest4.
If the seeds have been around for too many years, they may be DEAD and DEAD seeds just won't come up, no matter how much they are watered! You'll have to argue with someone else ! If the seed falls into the ground and dies , it had to be a good seed.
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 21, 2016 0:04:12 GMT -5
It almost seems like you were absent from your introduction to biology course. The caterpillar dies and becomes a butterfly Etc Ok it germinates , transformation , recreation, hmmm I like the thought that the seed must fall into the ground and die. I'm sticking to it! Well that says it all doesn't it?
You "like the thought." Since that is what you base your knowledge on, what you "like" rather than facts, - well, that says it all, doesn't it!
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Post by Guest4 on Feb 21, 2016 0:11:45 GMT -5
The caterpillar dies and becomes a butterfly Etc Ok it germinates , transformation , recreation, hmmm I like the thought that the seed must fall into the ground and die. I'm sticking to it! Well that says it all doesn't it?
You "like the thought." Since that is what you base your knowledge on, what you "like" rather than facts, - well, that says it all, doesn't it!
yep. ?
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 21, 2016 0:27:53 GMT -5
Well that says it all doesn't it?
You "like the thought." Since that is what you base your knowledge on, what you "like" rather than facts, - well, that says it all, doesn't it!
yep. ? Yep,!! No 's about it!
I surely would NOT want you to be the doctor that treated me or the pilot that flew the plane I was in over the Atlantic ocean or the engineer that developed the car I am driving IF you based your knowledge on what you "like" rather than facts!
(BTW, I do hope that isn't any of the jobs you have! horrors )
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Post by Guest4 on Feb 21, 2016 0:38:13 GMT -5
I like to think that common sense makes more sense than a misprint in a science experiment!
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 21, 2016 0:52:21 GMT -5
It almost seems like you were absent from your introduction to biology course. The caterpillar dies and becomes a butterfly Etc Ok it germinates , transformation , recreation, hmmm I like the thought that the seed must fall into the ground and die. I'm sticking to it! But a caterpillar isn't a seed. It's the butterfly that produces the seed -- according to animal nature.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 21, 2016 1:00:24 GMT -5
Geeze, Guest4! You are obviously NOT a gardener!
When I plant a seed it only becomes a new plant if it is viable! Viable means alive, Guest4.
If the seeds have been around for too many years, they may be DEAD and DEAD seeds just won't come up, no matter how much they are watered! You'll have to argue with someone else ! If the seed falls into the ground and dies , it had to be a good seed. Good for what? The dead seeds don't germinate. They're already dead before they're planted, they're not good seed. Good seeds are the ones that do not die when they're put in the ground. Living seed, when cared for, does not die, it germinates. I think you're overworking the "fall into the ground and die". Apply the analogy to human reproduction and it sounds pretty bizarre.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 21, 2016 1:04:50 GMT -5
I like to think that common sense makes more sense than a misprint in a science experiment! Does a misprint in the Bible mean "common sense" makes more sense?
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Post by Guest4 on Feb 21, 2016 1:07:14 GMT -5
The caterpillar dies and becomes a butterfly Etc Ok it germinates , transformation , recreation, hmmm I like the thought that the seed must fall into the ground and die. I'm sticking to it! But a caterpillar isn't a seed. It's the butterfly that produces the seed -- according to animal nature. Perhaps the butterfly needs its own science? Interesting life cycle! I think there is some good Info available. The butterfly lays a caterpillar egg when it is hatching the little bug eats its own egg? It has a voracious appetite!
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Post by Guest4 on Feb 21, 2016 1:16:23 GMT -5
You'll have to argue with someone else ! If the seed falls into the ground and dies , it had to be a good seed. Good for what? The dead seeds don't germinate. They're already dead before they're planted, they're not good seed. Good seeds are the ones that do not die when they're put in the ground. Living seed, when cared for, does not die, it germinates. I think you're overworking the "fall into the ground and die". Apply the analogy to human reproduction and it sounds pretty bizarre. I have done germination rate tests. Purpose is to evaluate the percent of seeds that will not germinate/(I call it die) . Simple test. The seeds that do not germinate /die , cannot bring forth
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Post by Guest4 on Feb 21, 2016 1:25:50 GMT -5
If the seed does not die, it just lays in the ground (alone).
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 21, 2016 2:02:42 GMT -5
Sorry, Guest4. I am going to leave for awhile. I am watching a video that is really crazier than some of the things you are saying but it is more interesting. Sorry.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 21, 2016 2:08:13 GMT -5
If the seed does not die, it just lays in the ground (alone). That's not my point. A good seed does not die -- it becomes the new plant, not a dead seed.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 21, 2016 2:11:37 GMT -5
germinate/(I call it die) . Simple test. The seeds that do not germinate /die , cannot bring forth Then you're using the wrong word. Look at it this way -- human seed, that is not dead already, has too options: to die, or to fertilize. Does the seed that fertilizes become dead.
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Post by Guest4 on Feb 21, 2016 2:23:58 GMT -5
germinate/(I call it die) . Simple test. The seeds that do not germinate /die , cannot bring forth Then you're using the wrong word. Look at it this way -- human seed, that is not dead already, has too options: to die, or to fertilize. Does the seed that fertilizes become dead. Sorry if you are not familiar with the example I gave When the good seed germinates the plant eats up The inner seed leaving the shell : as used up , gone, nada,
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Post by Guest4 on Feb 21, 2016 2:29:23 GMT -5
If the seed does not die, it just lays in the ground (alone). That's not my point. A good seed does not die -- it becomes the new plant, not a dead seed. Just for fun google the site: does the good seed die when germinated
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Post by dmmichgood on Feb 21, 2016 3:06:17 GMT -5
That's not my point. A good seed does not die -- it becomes the new plant, not a dead seed. Just for fun google the site: does the good seed die when germinated I'm back!
Which google site,Guest4? The " Seed Germination in the Bible" site?
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Post by Guest4 on Feb 21, 2016 8:16:44 GMT -5
Just for fun google the site: does the good seed die when germinated I'm back!
Which google site,Guest4? The " Seed Germination in the Bible" site? This comes from an article written up in the Pacific Rural Press. vol. 45. 18 March 1893 ! Addressing an opinion of Dr Hudson , who postulated that the wheat seed did not die after germinating. Good seed implies it will germinate, bad seed does not germinate. If you read the entire article the last few paragraphs explains the process of the wheat seed dying Hope this helps!
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