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Post by magpie on Nov 24, 2015 5:59:41 GMT -5
Yet the compulsive disorder of paedophelia is not? As it comes from the unbiblical demand of celibate ministers as the RCC. "NOW IF YOU REMOVED THEM FROM THE SECTS FELLOWSHIP STARTING FROM THE MINISTRY PAEDOPHILES,AND OTHERS OF SEXUAL PREFERENCES,HOW MANY WOULD BE LEFT IN THE WORLD OF 2x2ISM?.I REMEMBER SITTING ON THE FARM FENCE AS A TEEN,SPEAKING OPENLY OF OUR FEARS AND EXPERIENCES WITH LESBIAN?HOMOSEXUAL WORKERS,DON"T GO NEAR THIS ONE OR THAT ONE,AND "WE WOULD SAY WHY". WE EVEN WATCHED THOSE WHO WE FELT WERE CAMP. OCD MEMBERS SHOULD HAVE BEEN EMBRACED WITH PRAYER,LOVE.UNDERSTANDING,AND ENCOURAGED TO PROFESSIONAL HELP,etc. BUT DIRTY DIRTY SEXUAL DEVIANTS,PAEDOPHILES,etc.SHOULD HAVE BEEN DRAGGED TO CONFESS OF THEIR CRIMINAL URGES,AND BE TAKEN TO THE AUTHORITIES FOR JUDGEMENT,JUSTICE FOR VICTIMS,PSYCHIATRIC HELP,ETC. no hide it as Percy Watkins(chickened out) "for the sake of the kingdom"? well the imaginary kingdom of the Irvinite sect. OF COURSE YOU HAVE ALL LOOKED UP," When did the catholic church decide priests should be celibate"?. As this relates to the history of the 2x2s heresy of unatural demanded celibacy,also. All the best as you study real truths.
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Post by rational on Nov 24, 2015 18:25:49 GMT -5
Yet the compulsive disorder of paedophelia is not? What was the claim you are questioning? This is simply false. Repeating it over and over does not make it true.Te percentage would probably be about the same as in the general population - perhaps a little less.It was a different time. Today you would be asked why you did not report them to the authorities. Yes, they should be today and should have been before. But times change.I wonder why you feel this is an issue? I would have to guess that you believe celibacy causes child abuse. But do you have any data to back up that belief?
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Post by magpie on Nov 25, 2015 16:52:34 GMT -5
Dear ol'Rational? The percentage? No most live a normal natural life. And 1 Corinthians 9,Vs 5/6 Hann't I the right to follow the example of the other Apostles and the Lord's brothers and Peter,by taking a Christian wife with me on my travels? Or are Barnabas and I the only ones who have to work for a living? You see they lived a natural biblical life,no need to deviate.. Poor ol' Paul was this the thorn in his side? Things wern't different then decades ago in deviant ministers of celibacy,accept now as you say "IF YOU ARE GAME ENOUGH IF CAN BE REPORTED". But the 2x2 rejection of you is monumental. But recently remember only 2x2x2s were jailed in this state,others sent off shore or interstate?
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Post by rational on Nov 25, 2015 17:35:48 GMT -5
Dear ol'Rational? The percentage? No most live a normal natural life. And 1 Corinthians 9,Vs 5/6 Hann't I the right to follow the example of the other Apostles and the Lord's brothers and Peter,by taking a Christian wife with me on my travels? Or are Barnabas and I the only ones who have to work for a living? You see they lived a natural biblical life,no need to deviate.. Poor ol' Paul was this the thorn in his side? Things wern't different then decades ago in deviant ministers of celibacy,accept now as you say "IF YOU ARE GAME ENOUGH IF CAN BE REPORTED". But the 2x2 rejection of you is monumental. But recently remember only 2x2x2s were jailed in this state,others sent off shore or interstate? As difficult as it is to be certain what your point is I am guessing you have problems with people being celibate and believing that being celibate somehow causes a person to become a child molester. Does that sum it up? The issue I have is that there is no evidence that celibacy is a cause of child abuse yet you seem to think this is the root of the issue. Regarding the 2X2 rejection - what is the downside of being rejected by a group that condones child abuse and hide offenders?
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Post by magpie on Nov 26, 2015 0:16:33 GMT -5
Ol' Mate, As a victim of 2x preachers who later were on the platform spouting that they had the way to heaven and no other presuasion have. Hipocracy at its MAX? Celibate? they would claim before the goats and "GOD". Then why is it calculated that the percentage of supposed celibates in any ministry have been calculated so much higher than Non celibate ministers,pastors,evangelists......? Many honerably believe they are sacrificing to serve God,but celibacy is not a biblical demand? Those who have sexual doubts or fears what a great way to hide the struggle they face,within society. "BUT" if they vow to remain celibate before God or sects Bishop and fail,that is before God, And any damaged victims should be given or arranged professional help,compensation and public apology. And the perpetrator not sent off shore,interstate or given finance to have their charged lessend for the sake of Irvinites kingdom, #$%^&Y* the victims & if they cause to much trouble kick them out or that horrid fingure pointing cold attitude towards you,hopefully you will have a mental breakdown (they will then say I told you so,he/she is trouble),or you leave.Why do you think known 2x2 him/her preacher sexual victims in many Countries have suicided. Have you some doubts of the seriousness of paedophelia?
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Post by magpie on Nov 26, 2015 0:29:30 GMT -5
By the way. "YES" Celibacy does not cause paedophilia It is a born with and you die with mental affliction. Celibacy causes an attraction to struglers not dishonorable,so the person chose this perhaps as a shield from themselves.But mental disorders need much more than self placement. Medical, strong Pastoring & psychiatric programs,medication can help control BUT THERE IS NO CURE? Allowing the Holy Spirit to take absolute control would be the best armour against failure of your commitment before God and others.
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Post by rational on Nov 26, 2015 13:41:06 GMT -5
By the way. "YES" Celibacy does not cause paedophilia It is a born with and you die with mental affliction. Celibacy causes an attraction to struglers not dishonorable,so the person chose this perhaps as a shield from themselves.But mental disorders need much more than self placement. Medical, strong Pastoring & psychiatric programs,medication can help control BUT THERE IS NO CURE? Allowing the Holy Spirit to take absolute control would be the best armour against failure of your commitment before God and others. But the question is - how many CSA offenders are pedophiles? Real one according to defined terms and not figments of your imagination.
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Post by rational on Nov 26, 2015 13:44:04 GMT -5
Ol' Mate, As a victim of 2x preachers who later were on the platform spouting that they had the way to heaven and no other presuasion have. Hipocracy at its MAX? Celibate? they would claim before the goats and "GOD". Then why is it calculated that the percentage of supposed celibates in any ministry have been calculated so much higher than Non celibate ministers,pastors,evangelists......? It's not. Even if you keep claiming it is true over and over.It is a matter of belief not fact. Not sure what you are claiming here....No, I just have doubts that the offenders were actually pedophiles.
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Post by magpie on Nov 26, 2015 15:57:32 GMT -5
Rationale'..It is called research. They have a medical condition that needs treatment(although no total cure)---they are profoundly intellectually disordered,or they have developed a brain disorder,or they are psychotics---Pedophiles molest 88% of children who are molested.They target preen prepubescant children and in many cases also/or animals. You seem very interested in the other 12%,why?
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Post by magpie on Nov 26, 2015 16:03:17 GMT -5
The further ones drift away from the truth,the more they hate those who speak it (from Orwell). This is a 2x2 trait that has dominated in my many decades of being one then fellowshiping elsewhere.
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Post by rational on Nov 27, 2015 2:02:55 GMT -5
Rationale'..It is called research. Yes it is. From Wikipedia: In popular usage, the word pedophilia is often applied to any sexual interest in children or the act of child sexual abuse. This use conflates the sexual attraction (pedophilia) with the act of abuse (child molestation), and does not distinguish between attraction to prepubescent and pubescent or post-pubescent minors. Researchers recommend that these imprecise uses be avoided because although people who commit child sexual abuse sometimes exhibit the disorder, child sexual abuse offenders are not pedophiles unless they have a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children, and not all pedophiles molest children. (Emphasis added)Researchers also do not agree about what proportion of child sex abusers are pedophiles. Other types of offenders include sexually curious or abusive adolescents who molest younger children, hypersexual adults who opportunistically target children, and people who act impulsively (rather than in response to erotic attachment) under the influence of alcohol or drugs. Moreover, about half of all child sexual abuse victims are 12 to 17 years old (postpubescent), so their assailants don’t meet the strict definition of pedophilia. Harvard Medical Letter As shown above, if 1/ 2 of the child sexual abuse victims are post-pubescent then it is difficult to make the case that 88% of molested children are molested by pedophiles. While this does not excuse anyone, classifying the offenders correctly means that they can be dealt with appropriately. It seems that you may have relied on the results from The Abel and Harlow Child Molestation Prevention Study without looking at their classification of a 'pedophile'. Your un-credited reference from The Child Molestation Research & Prevention Institute, Inc. also drew heavily from The Abel and Harlow Child Molestation Prevention Study and also failed to correct the incorrect assessment of who was and who was not classified as a pedophile. I am interested in as accurate portrayal of the situation as possible. Emotional lashing out is not going to help solve the problem. It is indeed true that treatment of a true pedophile is not usually effective but incorrectly classifying most child molesters as pedophiles means that the offenders who are not pedophiles may not receive the treatment that may help them and they remain a threat to others.
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Post by magpie on Nov 27, 2015 8:29:49 GMT -5
Maybe "AMA" is Australian or American Medical Association,and some of the greatest medical research Universities (" Wikipedia?")our experience and helping victims and families,the 12% is a good guide. We owned a registered home of 26 residents for 25 years, residents were either or both of mental and intellectual disorders or illness's. Homicidal actions and threats were common and scary. But pedophiles took more watching and need for awareness (our clients were from teens to elderly),they watched and were so nice to regular visitors children,and younger especially young I.D.residents. Staff even after several weeks would not believe the dangers of the lovely kind,well mannered men and women amongst the 20+ others.Accurate portrail? If a perpetrator is one of 88% or 12%? Their actions are CRIMINAL,LIFE DESTROYING,it is called,"CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE"? If it is 59% to 41% or 98% to 2% what is your search for political so important to you? Are you hiding something? Or protecting someone? There is extremely strong christian professionals out there that could chat with you and give you a clear answer. Many Pastors have had teachings in solving personal problems and/or arrange prayer and counselling on many needed individuals needs subjects. Sorry but you seem locked into that 12%?. Love to chat with you over a coffee,if not me find some friends (no not 2x2 (un)friendlies. As 2x2 have no welfare blood in their bodies.
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Post by magpie on Nov 27, 2015 8:34:33 GMT -5
"CORRECTION", I mean't Political correctness,not just political as politics.
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Post by rational on Nov 27, 2015 10:09:11 GMT -5
Maybe "AMA" is Australian or American Medical Association,and some of the greatest medical research Universities (" Wikipedia?")our experience and helping victims and families,the 12% is a good guide. We owned a registered home of 26 residents for 25 years, residents were either or both of mental and intellectual disorders or illness's. Homicidal actions and threats were common and scary. But pedophiles took more watching and need for awareness (our clients were from teens to elderly),they watched and were so nice to regular visitors children,and younger especially young I.D.residents. Staff even after several weeks would not believe the dangers of the lovely kind,well mannered men and women amongst the 20+ others.Accurate portrail? If a perpetrator is one of 88% or 12%? Their actions are CRIMINAL,LIFE DESTROYING,it is called,"CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE"? If it is 59% to 41% or 98% to 2% what is your search for political so important to you? Are you hiding something? Or protecting someone? There is extremely strong christian professionals out there that could chat with you and give you a clear answer. Many Pastors have had teachings in solving personal problems and/or arrange prayer and counselling on many needed individuals needs subjects. Sorry but you seem locked into that 12%?. Love to chat with you over a coffee,if not me find some friends (no not 2x2 (un)friendlies. As 2x2 have no welfare blood in their bodies. It has nothing to do with being politically correct. Everyone is concerned about the victims, as they should be. All/most of the offenders could be labeled, as you have done, as pedophiles. When this is done it is a disservice to those who have been incorrectly labeled as such. Education is by far the best way to change the behavior of offenders who have molested minors and prevent them from molesting others. To classify them as pedophiles out of ignorance places the offenders in a category that than makes it more difficult for them to get treatment. Contrary to popular belief, most offenders of sex crimes have a recidivism rate lower than that of other convicted criminals. Just as every arsonist does not suffer from pyromania every child molester does not suffer from pedophilia.
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Post by magpie on Nov 27, 2015 16:15:25 GMT -5
Called "TWELVE PERCENT",if they don't come under a medical title of paedophile,and are just a normal human being ,isn't their crime against children just as bad,perhaps they even have less psychotic reason to cause harm to a child for self gratification or anger release. How about you study "God's Grace",as an alternative to nit picking,far more edifying to the mind and soul.
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Post by rational on Nov 27, 2015 21:25:22 GMT -5
Called "TWELVE PERCENT",if they don't come under a medical title of paedophile,and are just a normal human being ,isn't their crime against children just as bad,perhaps they even have less psychotic reason to cause harm to a child for self gratification or anger release. I think you are getting it. You are right. If they are not pedophiles they are offenders who are guilty of offending children. As far as what is worse or what is better - I will leave that up to you and others who seem to enjoy passing judgement.God's grace does not help the victims nor the offenders any more than you applying the label of pedophile to every sex abuser. The key to helping the victims and the offenders and reducing the number of children abused is education.
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Post by breakingfree on Nov 28, 2015 1:57:59 GMT -5
Meanwhile....I wonder if Bert came up with the proof Cherie requested?
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Post by magpie on Nov 28, 2015 4:04:22 GMT -5
Oh Rationale I thought so. NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER,once did I say or indicate all "SEX OFFENDERS" as paedophiles,NEVER. We are and have been talking for a long time of "CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE",amongst world wide 2x2s,nothing to do with rape,imprisioned bondage,adultry (as also seen over time in 2x2s),beastiality,sexual attacks,imprisioned as 12 year olds in Islamic Law forced to marry old men (even in Australia). "THAT IS OTHER SUBJECTS" Why did you misquote me?? You are hiding something,either another or yourself??? Go seek help please.
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Post by rational on Nov 28, 2015 21:57:21 GMT -5
Oh Rationale I thought so. NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER,once did I say or indicate all "SEX OFFENDERS" as paedophiles,NEVER. We are and have been talking for a long time of "CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE",amongst world wide 2x2s,nothing to do with rape,imprisioned bondage,adultry (as also seen over time in 2x2s),beastiality,sexual attacks,imprisioned as 12 year olds in Islamic Law forced to marry old men (even in Australia). "THAT IS OTHER SUBJECTS" Why did you misquote me?? You are hiding something,either another or yourself??? Go seek help please. Can you point to a post were you have referred to a sexual offender as anything but a pedophile? You have in the past equated pedophilia with bestiality. I have not misquoted you. In fact I am very careful to always quote your posts directly to avoid the possibility of misquoting.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 29, 2015 1:07:01 GMT -5
Oh Rationale I thought so. NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER,once did I say or indicate all "SEX OFFENDERS" as paedophiles,NEVER. We are and have been talking for a long time of "CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE",amongst world wide 2x2s, nothing to do with rape,imprisioned bondage,adultry (as also seen over time in 2x2s) ,beastiality,sexual attacks,imprisioned as 12 year olds in Islamic Law forced to marry old men (even in Australia). "THAT IS OTHER SUBJECTS" Why did you misquote me?? You are hiding something,either another or yourself??? Go seek help please. Wait, magpie. You did say this: quote
"Pedophiles molest 88% of children who are molested. They target preen prepubescant children and in many cases also/or animals."
So you did say that it was "Pedophiles who molested 88% of children who are molested," and that certainly is a very large percentage!
Where do you find those research numbers?
(BTW , you did mention ,"beastiality,")
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Post by rational on Nov 29, 2015 9:57:18 GMT -5
So you did say that it was "Pedophiles who molested 88% of children who are molested,"and that certainly is very large percentage! Where do you find those research numbers? BTW , you did mention , "beastiality,"That was a number presented in The Abel and Harlow Child Molestation Prevention Study. It is arrived at by an incorrect assessment of the offenders. That would mean that 88% of victims were prepubescent, a figure that is not supported by the data.
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Post by magpie on Nov 29, 2015 19:50:18 GMT -5
My only subject has majored on criminal CSA. I have no reason to delve into other forms of sexual brutality and deviance.This subject is large enough. But the subjects can overlap in discussions.AS A VICTIM OF 2x2x2s SICK DEVIANT CRIMINAL 2x2 PREACHERS,WHO KEPT SPROUTING AS GODLY,EVEN CLAIMING THEY BELONGED TO A NAMELESS CHURCH (another subject). Re- percentages,do some homework, sites like"What causes someone to molest children-child molestation" It is an incurable mental disorder,often controlable under some medical/medications. Do 2x2 elders and Bishops adhere to the verses in Timothy? It is an instruction to the Church.5/22 Be in no hurry to lay hands on people to dedicate them to the Lord's service.Look what ignoring that has done amongst 2x2 children Worldwide for decades. That is my campaign to protect the innocent little children from the brutal pain of criminal molesting by brother/sister supposed celibate 2x2 preachers .
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