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Post by rational on Nov 15, 2015 23:55:46 GMT -5
As usual, the apostate exes discuss everything except the Bible. Anyone who is unwilling to turn their back on their child cannot themselves be a true child of God. But we've seen that those who are faithful in doing so are rewarded with a hundredfold. Many thanks for posting this. I love to see people who care more about their sect than their own children. It's hard to find such fanaticism these days, except with Muslims of course. And, for example, these christian groups: Kingdom Identity Ministries Radical Traditional Catholicism Christian Identity Movement
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Post by Roselyn T on Mar 23, 2016 19:06:15 GMT -5
As usual, the apostate exes discuss everything except the Bible. Anyone who is unwilling to turn their back on their child cannot themselves be a true child of God. But we've seen that those who are faithful in doing so are rewarded with a hundredfold. Cherry picking at its best ! The sad part is that people still think like this !
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Post by quincy on Mar 23, 2016 22:28:30 GMT -5
Many kids are trapped in 2x2ism by their 2x2 parents. Even though you feel helpless, you actually have a lot power to get free of 2x2ism. Remember that your parents as so confused by 2x2ism that the thing which will make them most happy is for you to become a Worker - the biggest waste of a life possible. You can try to talk to your parents about how messed up their thinking is, it won't help much. Your parents are in a cult, and it is a psychological problem. You can't reason with them. You also can't reason with the Friends. And of course you can't reason with the Workers. But there are some very important weaknesses in 2x2ism where you can be very effective. The meetings are where you can create all sorts of havoc. I have a small list of things you can do which will be incredibly powerful. Many of these things have been very successful with other kids. You can add to the list if you want. 1) In meeting when a request for hymn is made, respond with the last hymn in the book - the one for funerals 2) Do not open your bible or hymn book in meeting. Don't even take it out of the bag. 3) Talk about Leviticus 20:13 and passages similar (about sex) to it during meeting 4) Take a big chunk out of the bread during emblems even though you are prohibited from participating 5) Drink most of the grape juice when it comes by 6) Set cell phone alarm to go off during prayer time in meeting with a Catholic ringtone. Try doing this to your parent's cell phone or some old person's cell phone in the meetings. 7) Do not befriend other 2x2 kids. Avoid them at all costs. 8) Hymn # 666, the number of the beast, please 9) Start praying out loud by interrupting someone else. Memorize a prayer from The Book of Common Prayer. 10) Lots of very loud ‘Amen’s 11) Pray to (not for) the Workers. Name some of them specifically. Especially pedophile ones. 12) End your prayer with Hail Mary Full of Grace. 13) wear a very visible cross. Kiss it during meeting. Cross yourself many times 14) If you are banned from 'taking part' in meeting, just ignore them and keep talking. The only real way you can be prohibited from taking part is from barring you from being in the meeting home (which is exactly what you want). 15) Always remember that workers are just cult drones trying to indoctrinate you. Say anything you want to them. They can't do anything to you that actually matters. 16) imagine how much fun it would be to do this at convention or special meetings!!! These tactics are very likely to get your parents in trouble with the workers. That is the point. The more trouble your parents get into with the workers, the lower their status falls, the more likely they are to get into conflict with the workers, and the more likely they will be to start questioning 2x2ism. If your parents decide that they just won't take you to meetings, fantastic!!! The next step is to start going to a normal church. Talk to other kids at school and see if any of their parents will pick up and take you with them to their church while your own parents are at meetings. It's very important that you be a good kid in all other things. Get high marks in school, be nice to your parents, don't fight with your sisters and brothers, etc. Be good, and save your strength for making meetings a complete circus. Remember, that as a child doing these things, you have not done a single thing wrong. If your parents abuse you for this stuff, report them to the Police & Child and Family Services for Child Abuse. When your parents explain to Child and Family Services that you did these things, the social worker will think your parents are insane. Make sure you tell the social worker that your parents are in a cult and are trying to force you to join it. A cult that is full of Child Sexual Assault. Mention the two 2x2s kids who recently committed suicide because their parents were tying to force them into this cult. And tell the social worker about the 2x2 websites that tell all about the cult. And remember to tell the social worker that your parents invite and let the workers/pedophiles sleep in your home. Remember, in this fight, you have far more power than your parents. Your parents are in the wrong. You parents are unknowingly abusing you by trying to indoctrinate you into a cult. You parents can be convicted of child abuse for doing this. To 2x2 children- if you don't want to serve God- don't. And you are a fool and will be pierced through with many sorrows.
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Post by Roselyn T on Mar 23, 2016 23:26:47 GMT -5
Many kids are trapped in 2x2ism by their 2x2 parents. Even though you feel helpless, you actually have a lot power to get free of 2x2ism. Remember that your parents as so confused by 2x2ism that the thing which will make them most happy is for you to become a Worker - the biggest waste of a life possible. You can try to talk to your parents about how messed up their thinking is, it won't help much. Your parents are in a cult, and it is a psychological problem. You can't reason with them. You also can't reason with the Friends. And of course you can't reason with the Workers. But there are some very important weaknesses in 2x2ism where you can be very effective. The meetings are where you can create all sorts of havoc. I have a small list of things you can do which will be incredibly powerful. Many of these things have been very successful with other kids. You can add to the list if you want. 1) In meeting when a request for hymn is made, respond with the last hymn in the book - the one for funerals 2) Do not open your bible or hymn book in meeting. Don't even take it out of the bag. 3) Talk about Leviticus 20:13 and passages similar (about sex) to it during meeting 4) Take a big chunk out of the bread during emblems even though you are prohibited from participating 5) Drink most of the grape juice when it comes by 6) Set cell phone alarm to go off during prayer time in meeting with a Catholic ringtone. Try doing this to your parent's cell phone or some old person's cell phone in the meetings. 7) Do not befriend other 2x2 kids. Avoid them at all costs. 8) Hymn # 666, the number of the beast, please 9) Start praying out loud by interrupting someone else. Memorize a prayer from The Book of Common Prayer. 10) Lots of very loud ‘Amen’s 11) Pray to (not for) the Workers. Name some of them specifically. Especially pedophile ones. 12) End your prayer with Hail Mary Full of Grace. 13) wear a very visible cross. Kiss it during meeting. Cross yourself many times 14) If you are banned from 'taking part' in meeting, just ignore them and keep talking. The only real way you can be prohibited from taking part is from barring you from being in the meeting home (which is exactly what you want). 15) Always remember that workers are just cult drones trying to indoctrinate you. Say anything you want to them. They can't do anything to you that actually matters. 16) imagine how much fun it would be to do this at convention or special meetings!!! These tactics are very likely to get your parents in trouble with the workers. That is the point. The more trouble your parents get into with the workers, the lower their status falls, the more likely they are to get into conflict with the workers, and the more likely they will be to start questioning 2x2ism. If your parents decide that they just won't take you to meetings, fantastic!!! The next step is to start going to a normal church. Talk to other kids at school and see if any of their parents will pick up and take you with them to their church while your own parents are at meetings. It's very important that you be a good kid in all other things. Get high marks in school, be nice to your parents, don't fight with your sisters and brothers, etc. Be good, and save your strength for making meetings a complete circus. Remember, that as a child doing these things, you have not done a single thing wrong. If your parents abuse you for this stuff, report them to the Police & Child and Family Services for Child Abuse. When your parents explain to Child and Family Services that you did these things, the social worker will think your parents are insane. Make sure you tell the social worker that your parents are in a cult and are trying to force you to join it. A cult that is full of Child Sexual Assault. Mention the two 2x2s kids who recently committed suicide because their parents were tying to force them into this cult. And tell the social worker about the 2x2 websites that tell all about the cult. And remember to tell the social worker that your parents invite and let the workers/pedophiles sleep in your home. Remember, in this fight, you have far more power than your parents. Your parents are in the wrong. You parents are unknowingly abusing you by trying to indoctrinate you into a cult. You parents can be convicted of child abuse for doing this. To 2x2 children- if you don't want to serve God- don't. And you are a fool and will be pierced through with many sorrows. quincy, you know this how ? Also are you saying they have to believe the 2x2 gospel only ?
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Post by joanna on Mar 24, 2016 3:17:34 GMT -5
To attribute the supernatural as a source for common sense is
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 20:36:50 GMT -5
To 2x2 children- if you don't want to serve God- don't. And you are a fool and will be pierced through with many sorrows. You are missing something very important - children most generally don't get a choice if they want to go to meetings or not. The parents force them to adopt 2x2ism (spiritual abuse) instead of exposing the child to at the very least the mainstream versions of Christianity. That's called abuse. And that is why 2x2 children should use every possible means available to stop their parents from trying to indoctrinate them.
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Post by Magic-8-Ball on Mar 30, 2016 2:14:21 GMT -5
To 2x2 children- if you don't want to serve God- don't. And you are a fool and will be pierced through with many sorrows. You are missing something very important - children most generally don't get a choice if they want to go to meetings or not. The parents force them to adopt 2x2ism (spiritual abuse) instead of exposing the child to at the very least the mainstream versions of Christianity. That's called abuse. And that is why 2x2 children should use every possible means available to stop their parents from trying to indoctrinate them. Sounds Biased.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 11:36:58 GMT -5
You are missing something very important - children most generally don't get a choice if they want to go to meetings or not. The parents force them to adopt 2x2ism (spiritual abuse) instead of exposing the child to at the very least the mainstream versions of Christianity. That's called abuse. And that is why 2x2 children should use every possible means available to stop their parents from trying to indoctrinate them. Sounds Based.You bet, I'm based. When I was a child my parents tried every trick in the book to convince me to stand up and 'profess'. My mother laid the guilt on me. My grandparents grew colder to me. My father threatened me and abused me. My sister joined the 2x2s and got all the approval and attention as a result. I, instead, was labeled the kid who wouldn't listen and abused as punishment. But I never gave in. I knew from age 7 onward that 2x2ism was nuts, and so it naturally followed that my family was nuts. Now many years on, reality bears witness that I was correct all along. You try and find a 7 year old kid totally immersed in a cult yet has the internal strength to resist it forever under intolerable conditions. Not too many of us I can assure you of that.
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Post by rational on Apr 1, 2016 11:49:34 GMT -5
You bet, I'm based. When I was a child my parents tried every trick in the book to convince me to stand up and 'profess'. My mother laid the guilt on me. My grandparents grew colder to me. My father threatened me and abused me. My sister joined the 2x2s and got all the approval and attention as a result. I, instead, was labeled the kid who wouldn't listen and abused as punishment. But I never gave in. I knew from age 7 onward that 2x2ism was nuts, and so it naturally followed that my family was nuts. Now many years on, reality bears witness that I was correct all along. You try and find a 7 year old kid totally immersed in a cult yet has the internal strength to resist it forever under intolerable conditions. Not too many of us I can assure you of that. There are a number of people posting on this message board who were B&R in the F&W and left. Some never bellieved in the 2x2 idea. Some never believed in god. Are you sure it is membership in the F&W church that caused your problems or was it the result of a dysfunctional family?
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Post by faune on Apr 1, 2016 12:29:41 GMT -5
Thanks honestabe. I'm not really on a mission. I'll leave this board soon. There isn't much here of interest. Just thought I would pop in and offer some help to anyone who might need it. You may have missed or chose to ignore my sarcasm. It'd be one thing if you were suggesting ways for kids to talk to their parents about not wanting to profess or going to meeting. Encouraging them to follow your list of immature, disruptive stunts that will hurt family relationships is hardly good advice. You must have had a poor family situation to want children to be alienated from their well-meaning parents, and/or separated by authorities. Feel free to continue your crusade though, it is semi-entertaining and even if 1 or 2 kids would happen upon your list, they would immediately dismiss it as preposterous. Honestabe ~ When I first read the opening paragraph by simpleton, I thought it was some sort of sarcastic joke. But, if simpleton is serious about these suggestions, I would definitely label it as being preposterous and childish behavior. There are a lot of other ways of getting your displeasure with 2x2ism across to parents rather than acting out in such inappropriate ways!
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Post by faune on Apr 1, 2016 12:33:01 GMT -5
If a child or anyone else feels as though the meetings aren't for them, I'd advise them to just be honest with their family and say so. I also believe it is important to respect parents regardless of belief or not, and chances are if you are honest and respectful they will be the same. In the end you can't change anyone, and you mosf definitely cannot change someone's beliefs, and each person has to do what brings them happiness and peace. jj ~ Now that is the best advice yet and I agree with you 100%.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 20:39:49 GMT -5
If I remember the Bible says as a commandment that we need to honor our parents. Don't think anything about the OP is respectful, therefor in someways it is teaching and leading to evil... I would be careful in doing something like that. When your father has his penis in your anus or vagina, I can assure you that the bible's commandment is not valid. Also when your father is abusing you, the bible's commandment is not valid. Also when your parents are spiritually abusing you by trying to indoctrinate you into a cult (2x2ism), the bible's commandment is not valid. The commandments are not there to make you an abused slave all your life. This talk of yours is typical cult talk.
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Post by sharingtheriches on May 15, 2016 21:59:54 GMT -5
Reminded me of what Jesus told folks..that the scribes and Pharisees were sitting in Moses' seat. Though their edicts were harsh and self-serving for those under their rule to do as they required.
Seems taking a bit of rough traveling alongside some is truly abusive however things will go better for you to respect those over you.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 15, 2016 23:35:56 GMT -5
You bet, I'm based. When I was a child my parents tried every trick in the book to convince me to stand up and 'profess'. My mother laid the guilt on me. My grandparents grew colder to me. My father threatened me and abused me. My sister joined the 2x2s and got all the approval and attention as a result. I, instead, was labeled the kid who wouldn't listen and abused as punishment. But I never gave in. I knew from age 7 onward that 2x2ism was nuts, and so it naturally followed that my family was nuts. Now many years on, reality bears witness that I was correct all along. You try and find a 7 year old kid totally immersed in a cult yet has the internal strength to resist it forever under intolerable conditions. Not too many of us I can assure you of that. So, I wonder since you think that you were so smart at the age of 7 that you knew that "2x2ism was nuts", and your "family was nuts," how can you be any smarter now by still believing in any Christian church?
I would say that you simply just jumped from the frying pan into the fire.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 23:41:40 GMT -5
You bet, I'm based. When I was a child my parents tried every trick in the book to convince me to stand up and 'profess'. My mother laid the guilt on me. My grandparents grew colder to me. My father threatened me and abused me. My sister joined the 2x2s and got all the approval and attention as a result. I, instead, was labeled the kid who wouldn't listen and abused as punishment. But I never gave in. I knew from age 7 onward that 2x2ism was nuts, and so it naturally followed that my family was nuts. Now many years on, reality bears witness that I was correct all along. You try and find a 7 year old kid totally immersed in a cult yet has the internal strength to resist it forever under intolerable conditions. Not too many of us I can assure you of that. So, I wonder since you think that you were so smart at the age of 7 that you knew that "2x2ism was nuts", and your "family was nuts," how can you be any smarter now by still believing in any Christian church?
I would say that you simply just jumped from the frying pan into the fire.
You've said a lot of thing, all of them wrong. Remember, you were a 2x2, I was not. You were hoodwinked by the 2x2s, I was not. You can never live that down, never. Your judgement is always faulty.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 15, 2016 23:53:44 GMT -5
So, I wonder since you think that you were so smart at the age of 7 that you knew that "2x2ism was nuts", and your "family was nuts," how can you be any smarter now by still believing in any Christian church?
I would say that you simply just jumped from the frying pan into the fire.
You've said a lot of thing, all of them wrong. Remember, you were a 2x2, I was not. You were hoodwinked by the 2x2s, I was not. You can never live that down, never. Your judgement is always faulty. Yes, I was a 2x2, but I wasn't "hoodwinked" and I feel no reason to have to "live it down."
At least I finally did realize why people want to believe in a god, -which apparently you haven't yet.
But don't fret ,you haven't the years that I have, so perhaps you will still learn differently in time.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 21:32:02 GMT -5
You've said a lot of thing, all of them wrong. Remember, you were a 2x2, I was not. You were hoodwinked by the 2x2s, I was not. You can never live that down, never. Your judgement is always faulty. Yes, I was a 2x2, but I wasn't "hoodwinked" and I feel no reason to have to "live it down."
Your judgement was faulty. You let a con-artist take you for a ride, the 2x2 ride. Once a mark, always a mark.
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Post by withlove on May 17, 2016 1:38:00 GMT -5
Yes, I was a 2x2, but I wasn't "hoodwinked" and I feel no reason to have to "live it down."
Your judgement was faulty. You let a con-artist take you for a ride, the 2x2 ride. Once a mark, always a mark. So your sole purpose here is just to help kids who haven't yet bought into it?
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Post by matisse on May 17, 2016 6:54:12 GMT -5
Once a mark, always a mark. Another Otto von Bismarck quote?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 7:34:58 GMT -5
Your judgement was faulty. You let a con-artist take you for a ride, the 2x2 ride. Once a mark, always a mark. So your sole purpose here is just to help kids who haven't yet bought into it? The easiest point in time to help someone avoid being conned into 2x2ism is BEFORE they get immersed in it. Obviously that applies to new recruits who are attending their first meeting. But it also applies to younger children who are raised by 2x2 parents - it's important to get some information to them before they get fully sucked into the social aspects of 2x2ism. Because once a person's social live becomes highly intertwined with 2x2ism, it's very hard to help them escape. The Love Bomb and all that.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2016 9:55:02 GMT -5
I'll go a step further. Any adult who encourages or encouraged any child to enter 2x2ism is an adult who should be sued. I myself was a child who was exposed to 2x2ism. Not one, not a single adult ever tried to help me escape 2x2ism. Not one. I escaped entirely on my own merit. I have absolutely no respect for any of the people who tried to pull me into 2x2ism as child. Not a single one of these people have ever apologized to me. And I have no respect for the people who stood on the sidelines as my parents and others tried to indoctrinate me. If I ever meet a child being indoctrinated into 2x2ism, I will immediately tell them that 2x2ism a cult and they need to get out. Children are tomorrow's 2x2 foot soldiers, so they must be helped before 2x2ism has them in its clutches.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 17, 2016 14:29:37 GMT -5
I'll go a step further. + Any adult who encourages or encouraged any child to enter 2x2ism is an adult who should be sued. I myself was a child who was exposed to 2x2ism. Not one, not a single adult ever tried to help me escape 2x2ism. Not one. I escaped entirely on my own merit. I have absolutely no respect for any of the people who tried to pull me into 2x2ism as child. Not a single one of these people have ever apologized to me. And I have no respect for the people who stood on the sidelines as my parents and others tried to indoctrinate me. If I ever meet a child being indoctrinated into 2x2ism, I will immediately tell them that 2x2ism a cult and they need to get out. Children are tomorrow's 2x2 foot soldiers, so they must be helped before 2x2ism has them in its clutches. Then you would also have SUE about anyone of most churches ea., Catholic church, Anglican church and just about ANY & ALL other Christian church.
ALL Christian churches, all churches "encourage" the younger generation to join their church once the child has reached the "age of reason," usually, around the second grade in some churches. THAT is even YOUNGER than the 2x2's!
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Post by fixit on May 17, 2016 15:01:09 GMT -5
I'll go a step further. Any adult who encourages or encouraged any child to enter 2x2ism is an adult who should be sued. I myself was a child who was exposed to 2x2ism. Not one, not a single adult ever tried to help me escape 2x2ism. Not one. I escaped entirely on my own merit. I have absolutely no respect for any of the people who tried to pull me into 2x2ism as child. Not a single one of these people have ever apologized to me. And I have no respect for the people who stood on the sidelines as my parents and others tried to indoctrinate me. If I ever meet a child being indoctrinated into 2x2ism, I will immediately tell them that 2x2ism a cult and they need to get out. Children are tomorrow's 2x2 foot soldiers, so they must be helped before 2x2ism has them in its clutches. Simpleton, would you try to help the millions of kids who are being indoctrinated into the following as we speak?
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2016 9:48:54 GMT -5
I'll go a step further. Any adult who encourages or encouraged any child to enter 2x2ism is an adult who should be sued. I myself was a child who was exposed to 2x2ism. Not one, not a single adult ever tried to help me escape 2x2ism. Not one. I escaped entirely on my own merit. I have absolutely no respect for any of the people who tried to pull me into 2x2ism as child. Not a single one of these people have ever apologized to me. And I have no respect for the people who stood on the sidelines as my parents and others tried to indoctrinate me. If I ever meet a child being indoctrinated into 2x2ism, I will immediately tell them that 2x2ism a cult and they need to get out. Children are tomorrow's 2x2 foot soldiers, so they must be helped before 2x2ism has them in its clutches. Simpleton, would you try to help the millions of kids who are being indoctrinated into the following as we speak? I try to help kids who are being indoctrinated into a CULT. I cannot help all the kids who are being indoctrinated in general, since that is 100% of the children on this planet. Indoctrination is a fact about humans - there is no human who does not have at least one belief in their head which they acquired not by independent research and critical thinking. In other words they have at least one indoctrinated belief. Most indoctrinated beliefs are generally not harmful to themselves or others, the beliefs just help them to navigate society. However, indoctrination into a cult is a very harmful thing to both the person and others, and that is why it must be stopped.
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Post by fixit on May 19, 2016 15:41:12 GMT -5
Simpleton, would you try to help the millions of kids who are being indoctrinated into the following as we speak? I try to help kids who are being indoctrinated into a CULT. I cannot help all the kids who are being indoctrinated in general, since that is 100% of the children on this planet. Indoctrination is a fact about humans - there is no human who does not have at least one belief in their head which they acquired not by independent research and critical thinking. In other words they have at least one indoctrinated belief. Most indoctrinated beliefs are generally not harmful to themselves or others, the beliefs just help them to navigate society. However, indoctrination into a cult is a very harmful thing to both the person and others, and that is why it must be stopped. It comes down to: what is a cult? Trinitarianism? Biblical literalism? Koranic literalism? It's silly to label a belief system a cult simply because it's new or has a relatively small following.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2016 15:49:41 GMT -5
I try to help kids who are being indoctrinated into a CULT. I cannot help all the kids who are being indoctrinated in general, since that is 100% of the children on this planet. Indoctrination is a fact about humans - there is no human who does not have at least one belief in their head which they acquired not by independent research and critical thinking. In other words they have at least one indoctrinated belief. Most indoctrinated beliefs are generally not harmful to themselves or others, the beliefs just help them to navigate society. However, indoctrination into a cult is a very harmful thing to both the person and others, and that is why it must be stopped. It comes down to: what is a cult? Trinitarianism? Biblical literalism? Koranic literalism? It's silly to label a belief system a cult simply because it's new or has a relatively small following. Follow my other threads. I make it very clear what is a cult. One of my threads is about organizational structure. Another is about psychological conditioning for indoctrination. The BITE model is very helpful in identifying a cult. And 2x2ism ticks off many of the items which make it qualify for being called a cult. professing.proboards.com/thread/24187/why-2x2ism-despotism-fixprofessing.proboards.com/thread/24207/workers-created
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