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Post by jondough on Nov 6, 2015 12:46:02 GMT -5
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You didn't really answer my question - not sure if it was this thread.
Why your vendetta?
I am interested to know what has turned you so extremely against this fellowship. What is your personal experience?
You must realize by now that everyone here is either an ex or current, but your post are so outrageous that almost none are in agreement with you. The only thing I can't figure out is if you are serious or not. Are you a "troll"? If not, then I would like to know the answer to my questions above.
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Post by Scott Ross on Nov 6, 2015 12:54:15 GMT -5
My parents allowed me to go to other churches with my friends. It was a good experience for me to do so, and I am very glad for the parents I had. ScottRoss, Do you think your parents would have allowed you to enroll in a Catholic education program like RCIA or CCD? Basically a once a week, evening course for 1 year to explain Christianity from the Catholic perspective? Do you think there are many 2x2 parents today who would allow their kids to do this? Would you allow your kids to do this? I know many Protestant parents who allow their kids to go to Catholic education programs, because those programs are very well designed and very educational. In fact a priest at my church (not a Catholic Church) sends his two kids to a Catholic School. The point is, as many Protestants know, that Christianity is basically the same message in most of the denominations, so using the resources of another denomination if they are high quality, is quite alright. My parents may have let me do something like that if I asked them. However, I would have had no desire to do so. I was way too busy with being active in student government, band, chorus, sports and other extracurricular activities throughout the year to want to sit in some boring religous classes. Whenever sports or other activities conflicted with gospel meetings, I was allowed to skip the meetings. Gospel meetings were held on Tuesday nights in our high school lecture hall at one time. Our basketball games were also on Tuesdays, Fridays and Saturday's. I would be playing basketball down the hall from where meeting was going on. No issues with my family about this. If the workers had an issue with it, that was their problem, and I think my dad took care if that. We also had Sunday morning meetings in our house. Missed a few if those as well because of involvement in school activities, and a few times when attending other churches with friends. Not everyone had the same experiences as we did in our family.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 13:13:27 GMT -5
Simple You didn't really answer my question - not sure if it was this thread. Why your vendetta? I am interested to know what has turned you so extremely against this fellowship. What is your personal experience? You must realize by now that everyone here is either an ex or current, but your post are so outrageous that almost none are in agreement with you. The only thing I can't figure out is if you are serious or not. Are you a "troll"? If not, then I would like to know the answer to my questions above. Dear Jon, I harbor no ill will against 2x2 people. I love them as God loves his Children. God has no vendetta against 2x2s, and nor do I. My issue is with poorly designed organizational systems. Systems which, because of their very design, create all sorts of unintended bad consequences. 2x2ism as it currently stands is a poorly designed system. From an organizational structure analysis perspective, 2x2ism is pretty much the same as a despotic political system. I am sure that you would thought it a worthy cause to help people overthrow or reform Stalin-ism, and I feel similar about 2x2ism. 2x2ism has these bad designs: 1) A top down rigid hierarchy with no formal mechanism of laity (Friends) oversight of the overseers. There is no accountability. 2) Lack of Rule of Law. There is no formal written set of what is doctrine, what is common belief, what is not permitted, etc. This creates confusion and anxiety. 3) Lack of transparency. No one knows where all the money goes or who has control of it or how much there is or what it is spent on. 4) Lack of formal requirements for promotion. No one knows what to do in order to be hired as a worker, to be promoted to head worker, to overseer. 5) Lack of laity input on matters in their parish. Friends have no formal mechanism for hiring, correcting, removing, workers from their region. Friends can only force workers' hand by mass revolt and exit. 6) Lack of formal review and appeal processes. Elders are disciplined by threat of demotion. Friends are disciplined by threat of shunning. There is no way for Elders/Friends to appeal Worker commands. 7) Creation of unnatural lifestyle for workers - no privacy, no skills, no way to formally deal with abusive partner, expected chastity but exposed daily to temptations by being in homes. 8) No attempts at ecumenical relations with other Christian groups. Leads to group-think and spiritual blindness. I'll leave it at 8 since that is the number significant in Christianity to signify the Born Again life after Baptism.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 13:26:59 GMT -5
ScottRoss, Do you think your parents would have allowed you to enroll in a Catholic education program like RCIA or CCD? Basically a once a week, evening course for 1 year to explain Christianity from the Catholic perspective? Do you think there are many 2x2 parents today who would allow their kids to do this? Would you allow your kids to do this? I know many Protestant parents who allow their kids to go to Catholic education programs, because those programs are very well designed and very educational. In fact a priest at my church (not a Catholic Church) sends his two kids to a Catholic School. The point is, as many Protestants know, that Christianity is basically the same message in most of the denominations, so using the resources of another denomination if they are high quality, is quite alright. My parents may have let me do something like that if I asked them. However, I would have had no desire to do so. I was way too busy with being active in student government, band, chorus, sports and other extracurricular activities throughout the year to want to sit in some boring religous classes. Whenever sports or other activities conflicted with gospel meetings, I was allowed to skip the meetings. Gospel meetings were held on Tuesday nights in our high school lecture hall at one time. Our basketball games were also on Tuesdays, Fridays and Saturday's. I would be playing basketball down the hall from where meeting was going on. No issues with my family about this. If the workers had an issue with it, that was their problem, and I think my dad took care if that. We also had Sunday morning meetings in our house. Missed a few if those as well because of involvement in school activities, and a few times when attending other churches with friends. Not everyone had the same experiences as we did in our family. Scott, sounds like you had a pretty normal lifestyle growing up, except for home meetings rather than in a church building. You are very lucky. This was not and is not the case for many 2x2s in other regions. Many people have this experience www.votisalive.com/print/book/export/html/1493Please tell me if you would allow your children to attend a Catholic educational program like CCD or RCIA for 1 years evening classes.
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Post by rational on Nov 6, 2015 13:38:41 GMT -5
Ooh - this is a fun list! Let's add to it! - at the next church basement bingo game, snap your rosary in two and use the beads as bingo chips - queue up for the communion line walking backwards while loudly reciting the lord's prayer backwards - sneak some weed into the incense burner - dip a finger in the holy water and scream "It burns! It burns!" It's wonderful to make fun of the other team isn't it?!!? But you do realize that there are no Catholics on this forum, don't you? No one cares about what you wrote. I suggest you take your list to a Catholic forum. Have some fun there. There are Catholics on this forum. And there are those who claim to know the Catholic doctrine but have yet to demonstrate this fact.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 16:21:06 GMT -5
It's wonderful to make fun of the other team isn't it?!!? But you do realize that there are no Catholics on this forum, don't you? No one cares about what you wrote. I suggest you take your list to a Catholic forum. Have some fun there. There are Catholics on this forum. And there are those who claim to know the Catholic doctrine but have yet to demonstrate this fact. If you want to learn about Catholicism, there is a lot of resources in the world for you to explore. I am not your personal tutor.
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Post by christiansburg on Nov 6, 2015 16:29:56 GMT -5
The name, slimpleton, properly applies to your posts here. Also, you suggest that you can still be a good kid through all of these simpleton acts of behavior. If you don't want to go to meeting just quit. It is as simple as that. You may create a lot division with you parents and arguments at home. They will eventually leave you alone. I am not sure how to explain the meaning of these Bible verses but they probably apply to you: "Answer not a fool according to his folly...but answer a fool according to his folly." You seem to have misread my post. I state in the very first paragraph that it is for kids who are trapped in 2x2ism. That their parents are forcing them to be indoctrinated. There is no way a kid can just say "Mom and Dad, I think I'll go to Catholic Mass on Sunday instead of meetings, Ok?" . The parents will not permit it. You seem to be living in a dreamland where 2x2 parents are the most liberal lenient people on Earth. That is not the case. If it was, then we would not have had those two innocent kids commit suicide recently because their parents were forcing them to become 2x2s. This 2x2 stuff is abusive to children. And then the 2x2 parents bring 2x2 pedophiles into the homes of the kids to assault the kids. What kind of sick parents would be 2x2s? Are you all so blind that you can't understand what you are doing? I completely read your post and think you are just completely off base. Simple as that.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 6, 2015 16:35:51 GMT -5
Simple You didn't really answer my question - not sure if it was this thread. Why your vendetta? I am interested to know what has turned you so extremely against this fellowship. What is your personal experience? You must realize by now that everyone here is either an ex or current, but your post are so outrageous that almost none are in agreement with you. The only thing I can't figure out is if you are serious or not. Are you a "troll"? If not, then I would like to know the answer to my questions above. Dear Jon, I harbor no ill will against 2x2 people. I love them as God loves his Children. God has no vendetta against 2x2s, and nor do I. My issue is with poorly designed organizational systems. Systems which, because of their very design, create all sorts of unintended bad consequences. 2x2ism as it currently stands is a poorly designed system. From an organizational structure analysis perspective, 2x2ism is pretty much the same as a despotic political system. I am sure that you would thought it a worthy cause to help people overthrow or reform Stalin-ism, and I feel similar about 2x2ism. 2x2ism has these bad designs: 1) A top down rigid hierarchy with no formal mechanism of laity (Friends) oversight of the overseers. There is no accountability. 2) Lack of Rule of Law. There is no formal written set of what is doctrine, what is common belief, what is not permitted, etc. This creates confusion and anxiety. 3) Lack of transparency. No one knows where all the money goes or who has control of it or how much there is or what it is spent on. 4) Lack of formal requirements for promotion. No one knows what to do in order to be hired as a worker, to be promoted to head worker, to overseer. 5) Lack of laity input on matters in their parish. Friends have no formal mechanism for hiring, correcting, removing, workers from their region. Friends can only force workers' hand by mass revolt and exit.6) Lack of formal review and appeal processes. Elders are disciplined by threat of demotion. Friends are disciplined by threat of shunning. There is no way for Elders/Friends to appeal Worker commands. 7) Creation of unnatural lifestyle for workers - no privacy, no skills, no way to formally deal with abusive partner, expected chastity but exposed daily to temptations by being in homes. 8) No attempts at ecumenical relations with other Christian groups. Leads to group-think and spiritual blindness. I'll leave it at 8 since that is the number significant in Christianity to signify the Born Again life after Baptism. Oh, do carry on! Please! Don't just leave it at 8!
You are doing such a good job of presenting the "bad designs" of the Catholic Church! WOW! I do give you credit!
I couldn't have done a better job of it myself!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 16:39:58 GMT -5
Dear Jon, I harbor no ill will against 2x2 people. I love them as God loves his Children. God has no vendetta against 2x2s, and nor do I. My issue is with poorly designed organizational systems. Systems which, because of their very design, create all sorts of unintended bad consequences. 2x2ism as it currently stands is a poorly designed system. From an organizational structure analysis perspective, 2x2ism is pretty much the same as a despotic political system. I am sure that you would thought it a worthy cause to help people overthrow or reform Stalin-ism, and I feel similar about 2x2ism. 2x2ism has these bad designs: 1) A top down rigid hierarchy with no formal mechanism of laity (Friends) oversight of the overseers. There is no accountability. 2) Lack of Rule of Law. There is no formal written set of what is doctrine, what is common belief, what is not permitted, etc. This creates confusion and anxiety. 3) Lack of transparency. No one knows where all the money goes or who has control of it or how much there is or what it is spent on. 4) Lack of formal requirements for promotion. No one knows what to do in order to be hired as a worker, to be promoted to head worker, to overseer. 5) Lack of laity input on matters in their parish. Friends have no formal mechanism for hiring, correcting, removing, workers from their region. Friends can only force workers' hand by mass revolt and exit.6) Lack of formal review and appeal processes. Elders are disciplined by threat of demotion. Friends are disciplined by threat of shunning. There is no way for Elders/Friends to appeal Worker commands. 7) Creation of unnatural lifestyle for workers - no privacy, no skills, no way to formally deal with abusive partner, expected chastity but exposed daily to temptations by being in homes. 8) No attempts at ecumenical relations with other Christian groups. Leads to group-think and spiritual blindness. I'll leave it at 8 since that is the number significant in Christianity to signify the Born Again life after Baptism. Oh, do carry on! Please! Don't just leave it at 8!
You are doing such a good job of presenting the "bad designs" of the Catholic Church! WOW! I do give you credit!
I couldn't have done a better job of it myself! So that's your standard by which to measure if something is good or bad - The Roman Catholic Church? I never said I thought the RCC was a good design. In fact, most Protestant churches are designed specifically to avoid those structural problems. The RCC was structured in the late days of the Roman Empire when the Empire was in near collapse. Do you think that maybe 2x2ism might have chose a better role model for org structure?
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 6, 2015 16:44:32 GMT -5
Ooh - this is a fun list! Let's add to it! - at the next church basement bingo game, snap your rosary in two and use the beads as bingo chips - queue up for the communion line walking backwards while loudly reciting the lord's prayer backwards - sneak some weed into the incense burner - dip a finger in the holy water and scream "It burns! It burns!" It's wonderful to make fun of the other team isn't it?!!? But you do realize that there are no Catholics on this forum, don't you? Ah, and you, -you, simpleton, have not been "making fun" at anyone, eh?
I Don't think that you know quite everything, -because there is at least one other Catholic on this forum..
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 6, 2015 16:56:53 GMT -5
Oh, do carry on! Please! Don't just leave it at 8!
You are doing such a good job of presenting the "bad designs" of the Catholic Church! WOW! I do give you credit!
I couldn't have done a better job of it myself! I never said I thought the RCC was a good design. My most humble pardon!
I Should have said Catholicism, the adjectival form Catholic are used as broad terms for describing specific traditions in the Christian churches in theology, doctrine, liturgy, ethics, and spirituality,and not the Roman Catholic Church per se especially since there is also the Orthodox Catholic Church.
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Post by jondough on Nov 6, 2015 17:01:50 GMT -5
It's wonderful to make fun of the other team isn't it?!!? But you do realize that there are no Catholics on this forum, don't you? No one cares about what you wrote. I suggest you take your list to a Catholic forum. Have some fun there. There are Catholics on this forum. And there are those who claim to know the Catholic doctrine but have yet to demonstrate this fact. St Anne is very knowledgeable. Haven't seen her here for a while though
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 17:16:54 GMT -5
It's wonderful to make fun of the other team isn't it?!!? But you do realize that there are no Catholics on this forum, don't you? Ah, and you, -you, simpleton, have not been "making fun" at anyone, eh?
I Don't think that you know quite everything, -because there is at least one other Catholic on this forum..Thank goodness I was wrong about something!!
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Post by rational on Nov 6, 2015 17:20:41 GMT -5
If you want to learn about Catholicism, there is a lot of resources in the world for you to explore. I am not your personal tutor. If I wanted to actually learn something about the Catholic Church I probably would not select you as my personal tutor even though you claim you know the doctrine 'very well' and do have 3 (three) degrees. You made the following statement regarding the Catholic Church being the exclusive way to salvation: But it doesn't. You are wrong. I know you are wrong because I am anglo-catholic, my wife is catholic, my relative is a priest in the Vatican. I know the doctrine very well. You are dead wrong. I presented the catholic doctrine that states it is the sole means of salvation. Quoted directly from the catechism of the Catholic church. You said you knew I was wrong but offered no verifiable evidence. You said you knew the doctrine 'very well' but offered no part of the doctrine that contradicted the statement that the Catholic Church is the sole means of salvation. Based on your posts that I have read and your response to others I really didn't think you could back up you statement this time. Someone once said: Logic does not work with 2x2s. Facts do not work with 2x2s. You can't make them think.It seems this could be expanded to some ex-2x2s as well.
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Post by Rob Sargison on Nov 6, 2015 17:58:33 GMT -5
It would seem 12+ years in Acadamania has left simpleton listing three degrees short of Common Sense…. At least.
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Post by CherieKropp on Nov 6, 2015 20:24:15 GMT -5
I can name three Catholics right off who are members of this forum.
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 6, 2015 20:36:58 GMT -5
Simple You didn't really answer my question - not sure if it was this thread. Why your vendetta? I am interested to know what has turned you so extremely against this fellowship. What is your personal experience? You must realize by now that everyone here is either an ex or current, but your post are so outrageous that almost none are in agreement with you. The only thing I can't figure out is if you are serious or not. Are you a "troll"? If not, then I would like to know the answer to my questions above. Dear Jon, I harbor no ill will against 2x2 people. I love them as God loves his Children. God has no vendetta against 2x2s, and nor do I. My issue is with poorly designed organizational systems. Systems which, because of their very design, create all sorts of unintended bad consequences. 2x2ism as it currently stands is a poorly designed system. From an organizational structure analysis perspective, 2x2ism is pretty much the same as a despotic political system. I am sure that you would thought it a worthy cause to help people overthrow or reform Stalin-ism, and I feel similar about 2x2ism. 2x2ism has these bad designs: 1) A top down rigid hierarchy with no formal mechanism of laity (Friends) oversight of the overseers. There is no accountability. 2) Lack of Rule of Law. There is no formal written set of what is doctrine, what is common belief, what is not permitted, etc. This creates confusion and anxiety. 3) Lack of transparency. No one knows where all the money goes or who has control of it or how much there is or what it is spent on. 4) Lack of formal requirements for promotion. No one knows what to do in order to be hired as a worker, to be promoted to head worker, to overseer. 5) Lack of laity input on matters in their parish. Friends have no formal mechanism for hiring, correcting, removing, workers from their region. Friends can only force workers' hand by mass revolt and exit. 6) Lack of formal review and appeal processes. Elders are disciplined by threat of demotion. Friends are disciplined by threat of shunning. There is no way for Elders/Friends to appeal Worker commands. 7) Creation of unnatural lifestyle for workers - no privacy, no skills, no way to formally deal with abusive partner, expected chastity but exposed daily to temptations by being in homes. 8) No attempts at ecumenical relations with other Christian groups. Leads to group-think and spiritual blindness. I'll leave it at 8 since that is the number significant in Christianity to signify the Born Again life after Baptism. Come on guys, at least be honest and admit in the above post by @simpleton, he has stated some very good points ! Things that we all in the past have criticised the 2x2 's of doing !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 22:03:57 GMT -5
It would seem 12+ years in Acadamania has left simpleton listing three degrees short of Common Sense…. At least. The Sense of the common man is not something I seek, nor have ever sought. I seek knowledge and a deeper relationship with God.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 22:11:19 GMT -5
It would seem 12+ years in Acadamania has left simpleton listing three degrees short of Common Sense…. At least. three degrees to port going around in circles
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 22:12:33 GMT -5
Dear Jon, I harbor no ill will against 2x2 people. I love them as God loves his Children. God has no vendetta against 2x2s, and nor do I. My issue is with poorly designed organizational systems. Systems which, because of their very design, create all sorts of unintended bad consequences. 2x2ism as it currently stands is a poorly designed system. From an organizational structure analysis perspective, 2x2ism is pretty much the same as a despotic political system. I am sure that you would thought it a worthy cause to help people overthrow or reform Stalin-ism, and I feel similar about 2x2ism. 2x2ism has these bad designs: 1) A top down rigid hierarchy with no formal mechanism of laity (Friends) oversight of the overseers. There is no accountability. 2) Lack of Rule of Law. There is no formal written set of what is doctrine, what is common belief, what is not permitted, etc. This creates confusion and anxiety. 3) Lack of transparency. No one knows where all the money goes or who has control of it or how much there is or what it is spent on. 4) Lack of formal requirements for promotion. No one knows what to do in order to be hired as a worker, to be promoted to head worker, to overseer. 5) Lack of laity input on matters in their parish. Friends have no formal mechanism for hiring, correcting, removing, workers from their region. Friends can only force workers' hand by mass revolt and exit. 6) Lack of formal review and appeal processes. Elders are disciplined by threat of demotion. Friends are disciplined by threat of shunning. There is no way for Elders/Friends to appeal Worker commands. 7) Creation of unnatural lifestyle for workers - no privacy, no skills, no way to formally deal with abusive partner, expected chastity but exposed daily to temptations by being in homes. 8) No attempts at ecumenical relations with other Christian groups. Leads to group-think and spiritual blindness. I'll leave it at 8 since that is the number significant in Christianity to signify the Born Again life after Baptism. Come on guys, at least be honest and admit in the above post by @simpleton, he has stated some very good points ! Things that we all in the past have criticised the 2x2 's of doing ! say's number 2 of his fan club
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2015 22:13:15 GMT -5
It would seem 12+ years in Acadamania has left simpleton listing three degrees short of Common Sense…. At least. The Sense of the common man is not something I seek, nor have ever sought. I seek knowledge and a deeper relationship with God. God doesn't look anything like you are portraying
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 6, 2015 22:14:55 GMT -5
Come on guys, at least be honest and admit in the above post by @simpleton, he has stated some very good points ! Things that we all in the past have criticised the 2x2 's of doing ! say's number 2 of his fan club You don't like to face reality do you @virgo ? Is your star sign @virgo by the way ?
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 6, 2015 22:15:31 GMT -5
The Sense of the common man is not something I seek, nor have ever sought. I seek knowledge and a deeper relationship with God. God doesn't look anything like you are portraying And you know how @virgo ?
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Post by Scott Ross on Nov 6, 2015 22:59:34 GMT -5
My parents may have let me do something like that if I asked them. However, I would have had no desire to do so. I was way too busy with being active in student government, band, chorus, sports and other extracurricular activities throughout the year to want to sit in some boring religous classes. Whenever sports or other activities conflicted with gospel meetings, I was allowed to skip the meetings. Gospel meetings were held on Tuesday nights in our high school lecture hall at one time. Our basketball games were also on Tuesdays, Fridays and Saturday's. I would be playing basketball down the hall from where meeting was going on. No issues with my family about this. If the workers had an issue with it, that was their problem, and I think my dad took care if that. We also had Sunday morning meetings in our house. Missed a few if those as well because of involvement in school activities, and a few times when attending other churches with friends. Not everyone had the same experiences as we did in our family. Scott, sounds like you had a pretty normal lifestyle growing up, except for home meetings rather than in a church building. You are very lucky. This was not and is not the case for many 2x2s in other regions. Many people have this experience www.votisalive.com/print/book/export/html/1493Please tell me if you would allow your children to attend a Catholic educational program like CCD or RCIA for 1 years evening classes. If my kids wanted to take a Catholic educational program such as those I think it would be great! I would hope that they would also take their kids with them. Since my kids are 37 and 36 years old, I think they can make their own choices. When they were much younger, they got to attend quite a few meetings with their grandparents, while I was off bouncing around between army bases. My ex-wife and kids stayed with them during such move times for me, and I am sure that they benefitted from the experience of living with my folks.
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Post by Rob Sargison on Nov 6, 2015 23:28:36 GMT -5
There are Catholics on this forum. And there are those who claim to know the Catholic doctrine but have yet to demonstrate this fact. St Anne is very knowledgeable. Haven't seen her here for a while though StAnne was a saint. Almost she persuaded me to embrace my Catholic heritage. That was then.
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Post by Rob Sargison on Nov 6, 2015 23:30:41 GMT -5
It would seem 12+ years in Acadamania has left simpleton listing three degrees short of Common Sense…. At least. The Sense of the common man is not something I seek, nor have ever sought. I seek knowledge and a deeper relationship with God. What you seek is more often than not found in the common man. Pope Frank?.....You're seriously missing something.
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Post by Scott Ross on Nov 6, 2015 23:41:23 GMT -5
Dear Jon, I harbor no ill will against 2x2 people. I love them as God loves his Children. God has no vendetta against 2x2s, and nor do I. My issue is with poorly designed organizational systems. Systems which, because of their very design, create all sorts of unintended bad consequences. 2x2ism as it currently stands is a poorly designed system. From an organizational structure analysis perspective, 2x2ism is pretty much the same as a despotic political system. I am sure that you would thought it a worthy cause to help people overthrow or reform Stalin-ism, and I feel similar about 2x2ism. 2x2ism has these bad designs: 1) A top down rigid hierarchy with no formal mechanism of laity (Friends) oversight of the overseers. There is no accountability. 2) Lack of Rule of Law. There is no formal written set of what is doctrine, what is common belief, what is not permitted, etc. This creates confusion and anxiety. 3) Lack of transparency. No one knows where all the money goes or who has control of it or how much there is or what it is spent on. 4) Lack of formal requirements for promotion. No one knows what to do in order to be hired as a worker, to be promoted to head worker, to overseer. 5) Lack of laity input on matters in their parish. Friends have no formal mechanism for hiring, correcting, removing, workers from their region. Friends can only force workers' hand by mass revolt and exit. 6) Lack of formal review and appeal processes. Elders are disciplined by threat of demotion. Friends are disciplined by threat of shunning. There is no way for Elders/Friends to appeal Worker commands. 7) Creation of unnatural lifestyle for workers - no privacy, no skills, no way to formally deal with abusive partner, expected chastity but exposed daily to temptations by being in homes. 8) No attempts at ecumenical relations with other Christian groups. Leads to group-think and spiritual blindness. I'll leave it at 8 since that is the number significant in Christianity to signify the Born Again life after Baptism. Come on guys, at least be honest and admit in the above post by @simpleton, he has stated some very good points ! Things that we all in the past have criticised the 2x2 's of doing ! Things that we all in the past have criticised the 2x2 's of doing !
Not sure if we all have criticized the group on all these things, although most have certainly come up for discussion here on the TMB.
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Post by Scott Ross on Nov 6, 2015 23:44:48 GMT -5
St Anne is very knowledgeable. Haven't seen her here for a while though StAnne was a saint. Almost she persuaded me to embrace my Catholic heritage. That was then. It has been almost a year since her last post here, and several months since she last visited the board to check it out. Had some interesting arguments discussions with her, both on and off the board.
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