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Oct 8, 2015 19:15:05 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 19:15:05 GMT -5
Does anyone have what they consider to be a good estimate of how many people world wide are professing within the 2x2 fellowship.
My own guestimate is say 80000 to 100,000 tops.
Does that feel reasonable?
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Oct 8, 2015 19:57:59 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 19:57:59 GMT -5
Does anyone have what they consider to be a good estimate of how many people world wide are professing within the 2x2 fellowship. My own guestimate is say 80000 to 100,000 tops. Does that feel reasonable? and the reason for wanting to know?
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Oct 8, 2015 21:35:54 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 21:35:54 GMT -5
others have suggest 150,000 to 200,000
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 8, 2015 21:44:49 GMT -5
Does anyone have what they consider to be a good estimate of how many people world wide are professing within the 2x2 fellowship. My own guestimate is say 80000 to 100,000 tops. Does that feel reasonable? and the reason for wanting to know? He needs to know how many pamphlets to have printed.
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Oct 8, 2015 22:10:21 GMT -5
Post by Roselyn T on Oct 8, 2015 22:10:21 GMT -5
Does anyone have what they consider to be a good estimate of how many people world wide are professing within the 2x2 fellowship. My own guestimate is say 80000 to 100,000 tops. Does that feel reasonable? and the reason for wanting to know? That's right @virgo, we can't have the numbers of F&W getting into the wrong hands can we !!
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Oct 8, 2015 22:11:43 GMT -5
Post by BobWilliston on Oct 8, 2015 22:11:43 GMT -5
and the reason for wanting to know? That's right @virgo, we can't have the numbers of F&W getting into the wrong hands can we !! Who knows? ISIS may need to know how many missiles to purchase.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 2:36:40 GMT -5
and the reason for wanting to know? That's right @virgo, we can't have the numbers of F&W getting into the wrong hands can we !! another stupid statement
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 2:38:07 GMT -5
That's right @virgo, we can't have the numbers of F&W getting into the wrong hands can we !! Who knows? ISIS may need to know how many missiles to purchase. weird
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Post by Roselyn T on Oct 9, 2015 4:05:02 GMT -5
That's right @virgo, we can't have the numbers of F&W getting into the wrong hands can we !! another stupid statement Yes @virgo, its like your original statement ! "And your reason for wanting to know "
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 4:22:28 GMT -5
Does anyone have what they consider to be a good estimate of how many people world wide are professing within the 2x2 fellowship. My own guestimate is say 80000 to 100,000 tops. Does that feel reasonable? and the reason for wanting to know? A fair request, Virgo. Roy Price felt that during the millennium the gospel would be preached by the 144,000 saints professing at the time the millennium started. If Roy is correct I wondered if the days of the millennium were drawing close. On my number estimate we are still a little 'shy'. But based on Wally's estimate there will still have to be a further falling away first. Sadly, there might still have to be a further convention or 2 closed up over the coming years. Helps with planning, you see.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 4:46:22 GMT -5
and the reason for wanting to know? That's right @virgo, we can't have the numbers of F&W getting into the wrong hands can we !! As Jesus said, your enemies will have it both ways: if we provided a number you would remind us that in the bible you were not allowed to count the members of your faith. So please excuse me while I spray this site once again.
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Post by Roselyn T on Oct 9, 2015 5:40:09 GMT -5
That's right @virgo, we can't have the numbers of F&W getting into the wrong hands can we !! As Jesus said, your enemies will have it both ways: if we provided a number you would remind us that in the bible you were not allowed to count the members of your faith. So please excuse me while I spray this site once again.Was wondering where you had been bert ? Seems a few questions you still haven't answered on some threads, so maybe answer them first !
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Post by blandie on Oct 9, 2015 12:31:31 GMT -5
As Jesus said, your enemies will have it both ways: if we provided a number you would remind us that in the bible you were not allowed to count the members of your faith.So where did jesus say that? And where is it forbidden to count members? And who says that the lists of members that the workers keep up to date in each field isn't numbering? In the OT god commanded a census be taken in Numbers 1:2 and again in Numbers 26:2 and Exodus 30:12 also allows for numbering - and David violated that condition in 2 Samuel which is why god was angry with him. In the NT no one saw a problem with giving the numbers of believers in Acts.
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Oct 9, 2015 15:26:39 GMT -5
Post by BobWilliston on Oct 9, 2015 15:26:39 GMT -5
and the reason for wanting to know? A fair request, Virgo. Roy Price felt that during the millennium the gospel would be preached by the 144,000 saints professing at the time the millennium started. If Roy is correct I wondered if the days of the millennium were drawing close. On my number estimate we are still a little 'shy'. But based on Wally's estimate there will still have to be a further falling away first. Sadly, there might still have to be a further convention or 2 closed up over the coming years. Helps with planning, you see. Who is Roy Price?
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 9, 2015 15:38:13 GMT -5
That's right @virgo, we can't have the numbers of F&W getting into the wrong hands can we !! As Jesus said, your enemies will have it both ways:
Chapter and verse.
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Oct 9, 2015 15:40:21 GMT -5
Post by BobWilliston on Oct 9, 2015 15:40:21 GMT -5
As Jesus said, your enemies will have it both ways: if we provided a number you would remind us that in the bible you were not allowed to count the members of your faith.So where did jesus say that? And where is it forbidden to count members? And who says that the lists of members that the workers keep up to date in each field isn't numbering? In the OT god commanded a census be taken in Numbers 1:2 and again in Numbers 26:2 and Exodus 30:12 also allows for numbering - and David violated that condition in 2 Samuel which is why god was angry with him. In the NT no one saw a problem with giving the numbers of believers in Acts. George W wasn't struck dead when he didn't know how many 2 brazillions were.
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Post by fixit on Oct 9, 2015 17:44:53 GMT -5
and the reason for wanting to know? A fair request, Virgo. Roy Price felt that during the millennium the gospel would be preached by the 144,000 saints professing at the time the millennium started. If Roy is correct I wondered if the days of the millennium were drawing close. On my number estimate we are still a little 'shy'. But based on Wally's estimate there will still have to be a further falling away first. Sadly, there might still have to be a further convention or 2 closed up over the coming years. Helps with planning, you see. I see a predominance of grey heads amongst F&W. While the median age is more than about 35 years we can plan for falling numbers, unless the evangelising effort is ramped up. Would 144,000 saints know how to preach the gospel? The saints have been taught to leave evangelising to the ministry, and the ministry has been taught to put most of their effort into pastoring the saints. Or should we "leave it to God"?
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Oct 9, 2015 17:53:03 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 17:53:03 GMT -5
Yes @virgo, its like your original statement ! "And your reason for wanting to know " weird
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Oct 9, 2015 18:36:58 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 18:36:58 GMT -5
As Jesus said, your enemies will have it both ways:
Chapter and verse. Dunno, I don't have a bible with me. Look up where Jesus spoke of John the Baptist living an austere life, and the Jews saying he had a devil. And Jesus living the good life and he called a glutton.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 9, 2015 18:40:42 GMT -5
Chapter and verse. Dunno, I don't have a bible with me. Look up where Jesus spoke of John the Baptist living an austere life, and the Jews saying he had a devil. And Jesus living the good life and he called a glutton.So who was the enemy who had it both ways?
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Oct 9, 2015 20:24:48 GMT -5
Post by emy on Oct 9, 2015 20:24:48 GMT -5
Chapter and verse. Dunno, I don't have a bible with me. Look up where Jesus spoke of John the Baptist living an austere life, and the Jews saying he had a devil. And Jesus living the good life and he called a glutton. Matt. 11:18-19 Bert was expressing the idea: damned if you do; damned if you don't The enemy is those who criticize for numbering and those who criticize for no keeping record of numbers.
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Oct 9, 2015 20:33:07 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 20:33:07 GMT -5
Dunno, I don't have a bible with me. Look up where Jesus spoke of John the Baptist living an austere life, and the Jews saying he had a devil. And Jesus living the good life and he called a glutton. So who was the enemy who had it both ways? The Jews who hated both John and Jesus. If you love what these two men loved then you soon face the same sort of people. Jesus said that, too.
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Oct 9, 2015 20:43:52 GMT -5
Post by joanna on Oct 9, 2015 20:43:52 GMT -5
Statistics or numbers in the context of religious belief, should prompt believers to really wonder at the factors which influence their choice of religion and how it is justified for any religious adherents to believe that their way is the only way to receive an eternal reward. World population 2015: estimated 7.3 billion people Christianity: estimated 40,000 branches of christian denominations. Distribution of World's christian population 2011The biblical verse most fitting with the information that approximately 100,000 or 0.00136% (if the number of zeros is correct of the global population are professing people is Matthew 7:13-16 "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? This just presents as an entirely ineffective project. A messiah who only manages to convert a micro-minority of people if viewed from the fundamentalist perspective, OR achieves marginally increased success if multiple interpretations of his message are permitted. There is still the problem of the wasted lives of those believing in Krishna, Buddha, the Old Testament Yahweh only (judaism), Mohammed etc and the 'unmentionables' or agnostics. And then we should not overlook those living in early human civilisations where there is either no record of worhip, or their focus was some of the thousands of other gods humans have conceived. Contemplating the impact of numbers in relation to religiosity can help put religious belief into perspective.
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Oct 9, 2015 20:43:38 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2015 20:43:38 GMT -5
Dunno, I don't have a bible with me. Look up where Jesus spoke of John the Baptist living an austere life, and the Jews saying he had a devil. And Jesus living the good life and he called a glutton. So who was the enemy who had it both ways? that would be the Pharisees and the Sadducees...
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Post by blandie on Oct 9, 2015 20:54:28 GMT -5
George W wasn't struck dead when he didn't know how many 2 brazillions were. And here's I sitting and thinking he was talking about that $2 million he had squirreled away in his accounts when all the time it was about 2 brazillions
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Post by blandie on Oct 9, 2015 21:00:27 GMT -5
Matt. 11:18-19 Bert was expressing the idea: damned if you do; damned if you don't The enemy is those who criticize for numbering and those who criticize for no keeping record of numbers. 'cept jesus wasn't talking about numbers or keeping records at all and he didn't say 'your enemies will have it both ways' as Bert's quotation ran but instead he was talking about people judging the outside of the cup instead of paying attention to the message at the core. After not being able to even begin at putting down the message at the core of 2x2-ism its a farce to distract an honest question by twisting the bible to condemn estimating numbers or keeping records.
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Oct 9, 2015 21:08:20 GMT -5
Post by Gene on Oct 9, 2015 21:08:20 GMT -5
So where did jesus say that? And where is it forbidden to count members? And who says that the lists of members that the workers keep up to date in each field isn't numbering? In the OT god commanded a census be taken in Numbers 1:2 and again in Numbers 26:2 and Exodus 30:12 also allows for numbering - and David violated that condition in 2 Samuel which is why god was angry with him. In the NT no one saw a problem with giving the numbers of believers in Acts. George W wasn't struck dead when he didn't know how many 2 brazillions were. I don't even know what 1 brazillion is. I assume its related somehow to billions, and millions, and brazillians, and bazillians but I confess I have no idea how to parse that out.
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Oct 9, 2015 21:09:55 GMT -5
Post by Roselyn T on Oct 9, 2015 21:09:55 GMT -5
Yes @virgo, its like your original statement ! "And your reason for wanting to know " weird Seems @virgo has a new word "weird" !
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