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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 7, 2015 1:55:43 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 2:23:49 GMT -5
oh well i'm still here
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Post by maryhig on Oct 7, 2015 2:46:49 GMT -5
Maybe it's the end of the world British time? It's only 8.30 am here Although, it says in the bible that no one knows when the end of the world will be, not even Christ Jesus only God. Mark 13 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. I believe spiritually Jesus is already back, he came back in that generation as he said would happen. Firstly through his apostles, just as Paul said "yet not I but Christ lives in me" (Galatians 2), Jesus is back in the heart's of his people. As for the end of the natural world, I don't even think about it. It's in Gods hands. I never even heard of the word rapture until I came here, I don't think it's something we should be concerned about. I think it's more important to get our hearts right before God now than to worry about the end if the world! I'm more concerned about the end of the world within me!
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 7, 2015 3:50:07 GMT -5
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Post by rational on Oct 7, 2015 8:55:55 GMT -5
There are a number of prayers available online asking for leniency. O Lord, please don't burn us, Don't grill us or toast your flock, Don't put us on a barbecue, Or simmer us in stock, Don't braise or bake or boil us, Or stir-fry us in a wok. Oh please don't lightly poach us, Or baste us with hot fat, Don't fricassee or roast us, Or boil us in a vat, And please don't stick thy servants, Lord, In a Rotissomat.Monty Python
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 9:01:24 GMT -5
maryhig - I agree with what you say. But the event described by Jesus in Matthew 24 v. 30 clearly has not happened yet ("...and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory"). The essential job for us all is to be prepared now but I think we should also be looking ahead for the signs of His coming again. I don't know what hymn book you use but in Hymns Old and New we have one that starts "Art thou waiting for the day/Of the Lord's appearing/He has promised He will come/And the time is nearing". Trying to predict when that will happen is foolish as you have pointed out. But we are enjoined to "watch".
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Post by rational on Oct 7, 2015 10:47:51 GMT -5
But we are enjoined to "watch". I wonder what you would be watching for? It seems like the description would be seen even if you were not watching. On the other hand, when that was written the idea that the return might be on the other side of the globe and therefore not visible was not considered. There and many many reports of the return of Jesus. How can they be verified by the average person? If maryhig sees this event in the clouds the chances are that it will not be visible to bert.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 12:13:06 GMT -5
But we are enjoined to "watch". I wonder what you would be watching for? It seems like the description would be seen even if you were not watching. On the other hand, when that was written the idea that the return might be on the other side of the globe and therefore not visible was not considered. There and many many reports of the return of Jesus. How can they be verified by the average person? If maryhig sees this event in the clouds the chances are that it will not be visible to bert. I interpret "watching" to be like the parable Jesus gave us of a servant waiting for his masters return who (if he has been a faithful servant) does so expectantly and hopefully. Clearly the return of Jesus cannot be verified by any scientific or other basis - it's a question of faith. Do you chose to believe the words of Jesus or not. We are told that "every eye shall see Him". How this comes about is way beyond me but I chose to believe it because I believe God's word.
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Post by fixit on Oct 7, 2015 14:49:34 GMT -5
If maryhig sees this event in the clouds the chances are that it will not be visible to bert. Today where Bert lives might be yesterday where Maryhig lives.
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Post by rational on Oct 7, 2015 20:23:38 GMT -5
If maryhig sees this event in the clouds the chances are that it will not be visible to bert. Today where Bert lives might be yesterday where Maryhig lives. Unless I am mistaken you would have to reverse the rotation of the earth to make that happen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2015 21:05:58 GMT -5
But we are enjoined to "watch". I wonder what you would be watching for? It seems like the description would be seen even if you were not watching. On the other hand, when that was written the idea that the return might be on the other side of the globe and therefore not visible was not considered. There and many many reports of the return of Jesus. How can they be verified by the average person? If maryhig sees this event in the clouds the chances are that it will not be visible to bert. its been said that Jesus might circle the globe once then descend onto Jerusalem, no scripture for that but interesting nonetheless
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Post by joanna on Oct 7, 2015 21:50:57 GMT -5
@wally "its been said that Jesus might circle the globe once then descend onto Jerusalem, no scripture for that but interesting nonetheless". Sounds like Santa Claus but his return target is the North Pole instead of Jerusalem
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Post by rational on Oct 7, 2015 22:30:21 GMT -5
@wally "its been said that Jesus might circle the globe once then descend onto Jerusalem, no scripture for that but interesting nonetheless". Sounds like Santa Claus but his return target is the North Pole instead of Jerusalem ::) Stop thinking of god as a Santa Claus! I wonder at what velocity the glob will be circled.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 7, 2015 23:30:31 GMT -5
Today where Bert lives might be yesterday where Maryhig lives. Unless I am mistaken you would have to reverse the rotation of the earth to make that happen. Doesn't Bert live where the sun comes up?
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 7, 2015 23:31:48 GMT -5
I wonder what you would be watching for? It seems like the description would be seen even if you were not watching. On the other hand, when that was written the idea that the return might be on the other side of the globe and therefore not visible was not considered. There and many many reports of the return of Jesus. How can they be verified by the average person? If maryhig sees this event in the clouds the chances are that it will not be visible to bert. its been said that Jesus might circle the globe once then descend onto Jerusalem, no scripture for that but interesting nonetheless That was written before they still had to circle before they landed.
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Post by rational on Oct 8, 2015 0:41:19 GMT -5
Unless I am mistaken you would have to reverse the rotation of the earth to make that happen. Doesn't Bert live where the sun comes up? I suppose so but maryhig is chasing the sun.
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Post by maryhig on Oct 8, 2015 1:03:38 GMT -5
maryhig - I agree with what you say. But the event described by Jesus in Matthew 24 v. 30 clearly has not happened yet ("...and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory"). The essential job for us all is to be prepared now but I think we should also be looking ahead for the signs of His coming again. I don't know what hymn book you use but in Hymns Old and New we have one that starts "Art thou waiting for the day/Of the Lord's appearing/He has promised He will come/And the time is nearing". Trying to predict when that will happen is foolish as you have pointed out. But we are enjoined to "watch". It has happened spiritually, naturally I leave the end of the world in Gods capable hands. I just love him and follow Jesus, trying to live the life he taught me to live and trying to deny my sins. But I can only do it with his help!
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Post by fixit on Oct 8, 2015 4:07:43 GMT -5
Today where Bert lives might be yesterday where Maryhig lives. Unless I am mistaken you would have to reverse the rotation of the earth to make that happen. When the 7th of October begins for Bert, it's still 6th of October for Maryhig.
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Post by rational on Oct 8, 2015 7:46:49 GMT -5
Unless I am mistaken you would have to reverse the rotation of the earth to make that happen. When the 7th of October begins for Bert, it's still 6th of October for Maryhig. Wouldn't that mean that today where Bert lives is tomorrow where maryhig lives? Using your example: Today (October 7 where bert lives) might be tomorrow where maryhig lives (where it is October 6). or; bert's today might be maryhig's tomorrow.
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Post by Johnny DeRaad on Oct 8, 2015 9:04:06 GMT -5
Unless I am mistaken you would have to reverse the rotation of the earth to make that happen. Doesn't Bert live where the sun comes up? ...actually . ...I think it's where the sun don't shine..
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Post by Rob Sargison on Oct 8, 2015 13:47:36 GMT -5
When the 7th of October begins for Bert, it's still 6th of October for Maryhig. Wouldn't that mean that today where Bert lives is tomorrow where maryhig lives? Using your example: Today (October 7 where bert lives) might be tomorrow where maryhig lives (where it is October 6). or; bert's today might be maryhig's tomorrow. Bert's today is Maryhig's tomorrow...But Maryhig's today is Bert's yesterday. And I think Bert's lunch might be Fixit's afternoon tea.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 8, 2015 14:25:09 GMT -5
Wouldn't that mean that today where Bert lives is tomorrow where maryhig lives? Using your example: Today (October 7 where bert lives) might be tomorrow where maryhig lives (where it is October 6). or; bert's today might be maryhig's tomorrow. Bert's today is Maryhig's tomorrow...But Maryhig's today is Bert's yesterday. And I think Bert's lunch might be Fixit's afternoon tea. I though Bert lived in Australia/NZ. I know maryhig lives in Wales. Sunday starts first in New Zealand while Wales is still in Saturday. That makes Bert's today maryhig's yesterday. Bert is NEVER behind maryhig in time.
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Post by rational on Oct 8, 2015 15:21:22 GMT -5
Bert's today is Maryhig's tomorrow...But Maryhig's today is Bert's yesterday. And I think Bert's lunch might be Fixit's afternoon tea. I though Bert lived in Australia/NZ. I know maryhig lives in Wales. Sunday starts first in New Zealand while Wales is still in Saturday. That makes Bert's today maryhig's yesterday. Bert is NEVER behind maryhig in time. The subject of the sentence, bert's today, is whatever day bert is in. That day, as you say, will always be ahead of maryhig. I agree with Rob Sargison.
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Post by Gene on Oct 8, 2015 19:08:14 GMT -5
Bert's today is Maryhig's tomorrow...But Maryhig's today is Bert's yesterday. And I think Bert's lunch might be Fixit's afternoon tea. I though Bert lived in Australia/NZ. I know maryhig lives in Wales. Sunday starts first in New Zealand while Wales is still in Saturday. That makes Bert's today maryhig's yesterday. Bert is NEVER behind maryhig in time. The possessive nature of the persons is key: Another way to state it is "Maryhig, on Saturday, sees Bert's "today," which is Sunday, as her "tomorrow."" And from Bert's point of view: "Bert, on Sunday, sees Maryhig's "today," which is Saturday, as his "yesterday.""
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 20:03:16 GMT -5
Bert's today is Maryhig's tomorrow...But Maryhig's today is Bert's yesterday. And I think Bert's lunch might be Fixit's afternoon tea. I though Bert lived in Australia/NZ. I know maryhig lives in Wales. Sunday starts first in New Zealand while Wales is still in Saturday. That makes Bert's today maryhig's yesterday. Bert is NEVER behind maryhig in time. Bert lives in Australia, New Zealand is about two hours ahead of their east side
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 8, 2015 20:11:07 GMT -5
I though Bert lived in Australia/NZ. I know maryhig lives in Wales. Sunday starts first in New Zealand while Wales is still in Saturday. That makes Bert's today maryhig's yesterday. Bert is NEVER behind maryhig in time. The possessive nature of the persons is key: Another way to state it is "Maryhig, on Saturday, sees Bert's "today," which is Sunday, as her "tomorrow."" And from Bert's point of view: "Bert, on Sunday, sees Maryhig's "today," which is Saturday, as his "yesterday."" OK, I get it -- we've been working off different presuppositions.
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Post by maryhig on Oct 9, 2015 1:54:20 GMT -5
I though Bert lived in Australia/NZ. I know maryhig lives in Wales. Sunday starts first in New Zealand while Wales is still in Saturday. That makes Bert's today maryhig's yesterday. Bert is NEVER behind maryhig in time. The possessive nature of the persons is key: Another way to state it is "Maryhig, on Saturday, sees Bert's "today," which is Sunday, as her "tomorrow."" And from Bert's point of view: "Bert, on Sunday, sees Maryhig's "today," which is Saturday, as his "yesterday."" Years ago, when we first met, my husband bought me a necklace. And I was thinking that, if he lived in Australia and I lived here in the UK it would make no sense at all, after reading these last few posts here. My necklace had written on it, I love you more today than yesterday, but less than tomorrow. Now that would be one to work out if you lived on opposite ends of the globe!
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Post by Gene on Oct 9, 2015 4:52:10 GMT -5
The possessive nature of the persons is key: Another way to state it is "Maryhig, on Saturday, sees Bert's "today," which is Sunday, as her "tomorrow."" And from Bert's point of view: "Bert, on Sunday, sees Maryhig's "today," which is Saturday, as his "yesterday."" Years ago, when we first met, my husband bought me a necklace. And I was thinking that, if he lived in Australia and I lived here in the UK it would make no sense at all, after reading these last few posts here. My necklace had written on it, I love you more today than yesterday, but less than tomorrow. Now that would be one to work out if you lived on opposite ends of the globe! My brain hurts.
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