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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 0:04:49 GMT -5
Quote from Walker1903 - I haven't heard about any changes in overseer staff in the US. Canada? Australia? New Zealand? Europe? Quote from Virgo - and why should you?Virgo, you'll find all this on the TTT web site. I will go over it for you.Quote from the TTT site - Welcome to Telling The Truth .info This website represents the largest internet collection of historical documents for the Church Without a Name. Okay? Anyone who volunteers information on the TMB could find that information on this site.workers, friends, friends and workers fellowship, Christian Conventions, No Name Church, home church, the truth, the way, the fold, the fellowship, two by twos, 2x2s, undenominational, nondenominational, meetings, conventions, testimony, gospel, Cooneyites, Hymns Old & New,Go Preachers, Tramp Preachers, Pilgrims These are the Keywords so young people in my church, or visitors to Gospel missions can look it up. These two groups are the main targets.ALL known properly documented historical material is posted on this website. Additional Historical Documents, Photos and Corrections are Welcome The purpose here is to be THE "portal" for a church Walker is not a member of. It's called "squatting" where you squat on the business of other people. In this case - people you hate; people who meant you no harm.…for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved… he called unto him the twelve, and began to send them forth by two and two...and the church which is in his house…the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands…one Lord, one faith, one baptism…for where two or three are gathered together in my name…as the truth is in Jesus…and few there be that find it. This seems to me to be an attempt to declare we are just another church with just another set of "proof texts."This website is devoted to preserving and publishing material that is in danger of being lost, is hard to find and is not widely known. Walker declares copyright on this material. Why? Because she wants to control the portal. Why would anyone want to control the information of someone elses business or organization? Simple - Bait & Switch.What is Telling The Truth's Mission Statement? The Church Without a Name - called "the truth" This website is about a nameless church. Since the group claims no name for their beliefs, it has been given many nicknames, the most common being "The Truth." Some of the more common designations are: The Way, The Friends and Workers Fellowship, Two-by-Twos, 2x2s, Cooneyites, The Fold, No-Name Church, Christian Conventions, Assemblies of Christians, The Testimony, Testimony of Jesus, Nameless House Church, Tramp Preachers, Go-Preachers, White Mice, Dippers, The Black Stockings, The Jesus-Way, The New Testament Church, Reidites, Irvinites/Irvineites, Alberta Society of Christian Assemblies. Many people have never heard of this sect nor met anyone associated with it. Worldwide, there are probably fewer than 150,000 adherents (they do not give out census statistics). They mostly use the King James Version of the Bible and publish a hymnal titled "Hymns Old & New" pictured above. The little known religious group is divided into two classes: lay people or members (called "Friends" or "Saints") and ministers (called "Workers" or "Servants"), some of whom are shown in the photo above. What is Telling The Truth's mission statement from the above text? It's not there. She is not telling the truth, she is not telling a lie - THERE IS NO MISSION STATEMENT. Just the appearance of it.
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Post by withlove on Aug 29, 2015 2:03:00 GMT -5
No one is stopping the church from creating its own website with a billion keywords and all that jazz to keep it at the top of a Google search. I don't know anything about the copyrights, but surely the church can link to Cherie's site if it wants its readers to access that info.
Anyone who has a page, blog, site, etc. is smart to make it as easy to find as possible.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 2:30:07 GMT -5
Withlove, why would any organization want to "link" to sites hostile to it?
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Post by blacksheep on Aug 29, 2015 9:38:41 GMT -5
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Post by withlove on Aug 29, 2015 23:33:19 GMT -5
ALL known properly documented historical material is posted on this website. Additional Historical Documents, Photos and Corrections are Welcome The purpose here is to be THE "portal" for a church Walker is not a member of. It's called "squatting" where you squat on the business of other people. In this case - people you hate; people who meant you no harm.This website is devoted to preserving and publishing material that is in danger of being lost, is hard to find and is not widely known. Walker declares copyright on this material. Why? Because she wants to control the portal. Why would anyone want to control the information of someone elses business or organization? Simple - Bait & Switch.I was referencing the above.
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Post by withlove on Aug 29, 2015 23:38:26 GMT -5
Withlove, why would any organization want to "link" to sites hostile to it? To address the accusations against it maybe? But I was only responding to what seemed like you being bothered that Cherie is the only one who can publish certain church information. It would surprise me if the church wanted to publish it also. Maybe you want to, is that what you are meaning?
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 30, 2015 22:47:48 GMT -5
Withlove, why would any organization want to "link" to sites hostile to it? Perhaps to learn the truth? If the organization has nothing to hide, why should they care? Does your church have something to hide, Bert? Do you, Bert, have something to hide?
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 30, 2015 22:59:15 GMT -5
Quote from Walker1903 - I haven't heard about any changes in overseer staff in the US. Canada? Australia? New Zealand? Europe? Quote from Virgo - and why should you?< > ALL known properly documented historical material is posted on this website. Additional Historical Documents, Photos and Corrections are Welcome The purpose here is to be THE "portal" for a church Walker is not a member of. It's called "squatting" where you squat on the business of other people. In this case - people you hate; people who meant you no harm.
If anyone has been or is now a member of the the church, how can you consider it "squatting" and not their business? Just because people would like to know what is going on with the church that they left doesn't mean they hate the people or the church!
As usual, Bert, you are being paranoid again!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 3:27:13 GMT -5
I am glad you are against paranoia Dmmichgood. Can you fill us all in on your private life?
If not, why not?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 15:19:37 GMT -5
Bert you crack me up with your stuff. But it worries me that you believe CSA and the history of Wm. Irvine is just an EXCUSE to leave the meetings.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 31, 2015 17:12:50 GMT -5
I am glad you are against paranoia Dmmichgood. Can you fill us all in on your private life?
If not, why not? My private life? What has the thread got to do with my private life? I'm 83 and I doubt you would find that 83 year biography very interesting. Any how, I have told more about myself here that you ever have told us about yourself.
I thought the thread was about Walker posting - "I haven't heard about any changes in overseer staff in the US. Canada? Australia? New Zealand? Europe?"
Then you accusing Walker as the reason for asking as "squatting" where you squat on the business of other people. In this case - people you hate; people who meant you no harm.
That sounded to me like someone (YOU) might be getting somewhat paranoid.
Paranoia - What Is Paranoia - Signs of Paranoia
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Paranoia involves feelings of persecution and an exaggerated sense of self-importance.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 0:15:42 GMT -5
Well you see, Dmmichgood, some things in your life you like to keep private. That's why I don't know anything about you - you want to be private too. And I don't want to know about you - just making a point.
Privacy is important - see how the invasion of public figure's private lives has corrupted our entire political system.
And being "private" doesn't mean you are "secret" as Parker suggested.
And it's typical, most people with megaphones don't want their own business brought out into the open. Or they will prey upon those who they know are too gracious to speak against them.
On the internet, and when I was in America, I talked with people who know some of these radio-mouths. They always said they never wanted to publicize anything about the private lives of such sad people.
I think Magowan said he would never talk of others like Parker did. And I know people who knew Parker - they were reluctant to talk about his private life despite being offended by the man. That's grace - look it up.
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Post by fred on Sept 1, 2015 0:37:53 GMT -5
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The other explanation is that there was nothing in Parker's private life that was worth speaking against ........ apart from the report that he was bitter and twisted.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 1, 2015 2:09:04 GMT -5
Well you see, Dmmichgood, some things in your life you like to keep private. That's why I don't know anything about you - you want to be private too. And I don't want to know about you - just making a point.
Privacy is important - see how the invasion of public figure's private lives has corrupted our entire political system.
And being "private" doesn't mean you are "secret" as Parker suggested.
And it's typical, most people with megaphonesdon't want their own business brought out into theopen. Or they will prey upon those who they know are too gracious to speak against them.
On the internet, and when I was in America, I talked with people who know some of these radio-mouths. They always said they never wanted to publicize anything about the private lives of such sad people.
I think Magowan said he would never talk of others like Parker did. And I know people who knew Parker - they were reluctant to talk about his private life despite being offended by the man. That's grace -look it up. You betch'a Privacy is important!
But the whole subject of this thread wasn't about privacy. You were accusing Walker of "squatting" on the business of other people. (people in the **TRUTH**.)
If you don't know anything about me or others & why we left, it is because you are so taken up with yourself that you don't read other people's stories of why they left the church that you seem to think is perfect!
Most of us have told our experiences & you have just made light of them when you did read them, -as if we didn't know what we were talking about. We do know that Parker was right, it was being "secret!" The truth about the **TRUTH's** beginnings was kept "secret" for generations of people professing! You may not want to believe that but it doesn't change the facts.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 18:34:49 GMT -5
How can my point of view be construed as being "taken up with yourself"?
Yes, "squatting" is the term for someone who seeks to control someone else's business on the internet. In Australia we have strict rules about this.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 1, 2015 18:58:37 GMT -5
How can my point of view be construed as being "taken up with yourself"?
Yes, "squatting" is the term for someone who seeks to control someone else's business on the internet.
In Australia we have strict rules about this. How is what Walker posted about conventions etc. an attempt to control someone elses business on the internet?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 22:45:09 GMT -5
Quote - "How is what Walker posted about conventions etc. an attempt to control someone elses business on the internet?"
Simple. Can't you see? There is no official site: the TTT and Ilylo's TLT operate in a vacuum.
Not only does this bring in "traffic" from people who have been interested in us, but through photos, documents and the like, these sites purport to be THE source of all wisdom. Without, obviously, any respect for that material.
This is why Walker has "copyrighted" the material. If "openness" was the issue then it should be freely available to all. No?
I have suggested to various people that they will have to establish some sort of 2x2 site, if only to stop this channeling. They don't need to research anything - their enemies have done it all for them. Nor do they need "permission" as this material belong to us, and was taken without permission. Others have said much the same.
I am sure this message will eventually sink through with our overseers.
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Post by CherieKropp on Sept 2, 2015 8:08:43 GMT -5
Quote - "How is what Walker posted about conventions etc. an attempt to control someone elses business on the internet?" Simple. Can't you see? There is no official site: the TTT and Ilylo's TLT operate in a vacuum.
Not only does this bring in "traffic" from people who have been interested in us, but through photos, documents and the like, these sites purport to be THE source of all wisdom.
And whose fault is it that TTT and TLC exist, Bert? If the workers had been honest and had not covered up their 2x2 history and beginnings in 1897 (and if they were not STILL doing so), there would have been no need for these two websites to be created (along with many other websites that you have not listed). It's the workers' fault that there is no official 2x2 website--because they stick to their own manmade rules of not publishing anything about their church except for a hymnbook. By doing so, they shoot themselves in the foot. It's called " exposing" when you uncover hidden information. Exposè a. To make known (something discreditable). b. To reveal the guilt or wrongdoing of: expose a criminal.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 10:02:27 GMT -5
Bert why are you so defensive about your group? Other professing folks on TMB aren't full of the paranoia you seem to exhibit. I believe the Truth in Australia is as paranoid as anywhere on the earth. The handling of CSA and other problems in Victoria is an example of that. Bert, if you believe your faith to be right, why worry about TTT,VOT,TLT, or any other "enemy of Truth" site? I mean if your fellowship is the best, then there would be NO WAY that some internet site could bring it down.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 10:03:54 GMT -5
Most overseers in the Kingdom wouldn't promote a website about the fellowship. A worker in OH will post gospel meeting invites online, however.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 10:06:36 GMT -5
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