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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 8:25:53 GMT -5
Just to get the attention of those who think the world revolves around Workers.
I encountered this joke on the internet. I don't find it funny, if only because it essentially reverses the Truth about the true nature of television.
The graphic is saying that any man or woman who preaches the Gospel on television is crapping in the faces of viewers. Read the below and go figure.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 8:26:32 GMT -5
Thoughts on televisionFrom www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1997/05/the-man-who-counts-the-killings/376850/The Man Who Counts the Killings George Gerbner..Violence and sex are naturally televisual genres: they're image-driven. Humor, subtlety, complex dialogue, and culture-specific idiosyncrasies don't translate so well. Thus there's an overwhelming global marketing imperative in favor of the simple, the naked, and the bloody. Cheap to produce, easy to distribute -- violence is the surest road to profit. It becomes part of a global formula that is, in Gerbner's words, "imposed on creative people and foisted on the children of the world.Although few anti-television activists would agree that excessive television viewing can exculpate a murderer, a huge body of evidence -- including 3,000 studies before 1971 alone -- suggests a strong connection between television watching and aggression. "There is no longer any serious debate about whether violence in the media is a legitimate problem,"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 8:30:21 GMT -5
The Cultural Indicators project has since 1968 amassed a database of reports on the recurring features of television programming. Today its archive contains observations on more than 3,000 programs and 35,000 characters….Cultivation analysis asks, in other words, to what extent television "cultivates" our understanding of the world. Gerbner believes this to be the most important aspect of his research. It is also the part routinely ignored by the mainstream press and attacked by the broadcasting industry.
"The media keep focusing on the amount of violence. But concentrating on that reinforces the message of violence. It concentrates on the law-and-order aspect of violence. Harping on this all the time makes people more fearful -- which is the purpose of violence to begin with."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 8:31:47 GMT -5
Americans spend fully a third of their free time with television. This is more than the next ten highest-ranked leisure-time activities put together. The more violence one sees on television, the more one feels threatened by violence. Studies have shown direct correlations between the quantity of television watched and general fearfulness about the world: heavy viewers believe the world to be much more dangerous than do light viewers.
"The violence we see on the screen and read about in our press bears little relationship either in volume or in type, especially in its consequences, to violence in real life," he has written. "This sleight of hand robs us of the tragic sense of life necessary for compassion." … (violent crime has more than doubled over the past thirty years; an American is six times as likely to be the victim of assault with a weapon as he or she would have been in 1960), prime-time television presents a world in which crime rates are a hundred times worse.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 8:33:03 GMT -5
... the typical teenager sees nearly 14,000 sexual encounters on television every year. And few of these encounters can be said to promote traditional family values. A study by the conservative Media Research Center found that portrayals of premarital sex outnumber portrayals of sex within marriage by eight to one.
What seems to concern most Americans about sex on television (and sex in the culture at large) is that it makes it impossible for parents to control what the self-proclaimed Luddite Neil Postman, the author of Technopoly: The Surrender of Culture to Technology (1992), has called "the content and taboos of adult life." Parents, in other words, no longer have the opportunity to teach their children about the birds and the bees gradually, in a manner they consider appropriate; everything is exposed -- so to speak -- to kids all at once. The old system of moral socialization breaks down.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 8:37:02 GMT -5
... by the time children reach school age, they will have spent more hours in front of the television than they will ever spend in college classrooms. Television, in short, has become a cultural force equaled in history only by organized religion. Only religion has had this power to transmit the same messages about reality to every social group, creating a common culture. Most people do not have to wait for, plan for, go out to, or seek out television, for the TVis on more than seven hours a day in the average American home. It comes to you directly. It has become a member of the family, telling its stories patiently, compellingly, untiringly. We choose to read The New York Times, or Dickens, or an entomology text. We choose to listen to Bach or Bartók, or at least to a classical station or a rock station or a jazz station. But we just watch TV -- turn it on, see what's on. And in Gerbner's view it is an upper- middle-class conceit to say "Just turn off the television" -- in most homes there is nothing as compelling as television at any time of the day or night.
"TV not only entertains, it conveys values and messages that people may absorb unwittingly -- particularly young people." Among viewers watching more than four hours each day, 25 percent said that television showed "what life is really like" and 40 percent said they learned a lot from television. Television, in short, tells all the stories. Gerbner is fond of quoting the Scottish patriot Andrew Fletcher, who wrote to the Marquise of erning power of, in Gerbner's words, a "centralized system of ballads -- the songs, legends, and stories that convey both information and what we call entertainment." Television has become this centralized system; it is the cultural arm of the state that established religion once was. "Television satisfies many previously felt religious needs for participating in a common ritual and for sharing beliefs about the meaning of life and the modes of right conduct," Gerbner has written. "It is, therefore, not an exaggeration to suggest that the licensing of television represents the modern functional equivalent of government establishment of religion." A scary collapsing, in other words, of church into state.
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Post by emy on Aug 28, 2015 15:44:58 GMT -5
I only skimmed, not read, but looks like some interesting info. Will try to take time to read later.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 17:43:54 GMT -5
Emy 99% of people here won't even bother skimming this. I largely did this thread for myself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 18:09:19 GMT -5
Emy, I found that one article quite educating. It's not just a rant about sex and violence.
Some things interest me such as "The old system of moral socialization"
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Television, in short, has become a cultural force equaled in history only by organized religion. Only religion has had this power to transmit the same messages about reality to every social group
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"... centralized system of ballads -- the songs, legends, and stories that convey both information and what we call entertainment." Television has become this centralized system; it is the cultural arm of the state that established religion once was. "Television satisfies many previously felt religious needs for participating in a common ritual and for sharing beliefs about the meaning of life and the modes of right conduct ... collapsing, in other words, of church into state.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 28, 2015 18:22:39 GMT -5
What, pray tell, do feces and urine have to do with sex? Or are you just REALLY kinky? Thoughts on televisionFrom www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1997/05/the-man-who-counts-the-killings/376850/The Man Who Counts the Killings George Gerbner..Violence and sex are naturally televisual genres: they're image-driven. Humor, subtlety, complex dialogue, and culture-specific idiosyncrasies don't translate so well. Thus there's an overwhelming global marketing imperative in favor of the simple, the naked, and the bloody. Cheap to produce, easy to distribute -- violence is the surest road to profit. It becomes part of a global formula that is, in Gerbner's words, "imposed on creative people and foisted on the children of the world.Although few anti-television activists would agree that excessive television viewing can exculpate a murderer, a huge body of evidence -- including 3,000 studies before 1971 alone -- suggests a strong connection between television watching and aggression. "There is no longer any serious debate about whether violence in the media is a legitimate problem,"
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 28, 2015 18:24:20 GMT -5
Just to get the attention of those who think the world revolves around Workers.
I encountered this joke on the internet. I don't find it funny, if only because it essentially reverses the Truth about the true nature of television.
The graphic is saying that any man or woman who preaches the Gospel on television is crapping in the faces of viewers. Read the below and go figure. Which worker flushed her shoes down the toilet?
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Post by fixit on Aug 28, 2015 18:54:33 GMT -5
When you condemn TV you also condemn the internet.
Television is becoming a part of the internet.
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Post by snow on Aug 28, 2015 19:27:29 GMT -5
Couldn't tell you what's on TV, never watch it. Not even the news. I read what I am interested in.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 19:55:59 GMT -5
When you condemn TV you also condemn the internet. Television is becoming a part of the internet. Yes and no. That can be seen as false comparison. The Internet has ELEMENTS of television, but they behave in different ways.
I read Google news for instance. To watch "the news" on TV means I have to sit through each show, and each comment, and each advertisement, and each padding of time, until I encounter the topic of interest. And then on the internet I can read about that journalist gunned down - I don't have to "watch" the actual act or "listen" to the crying people etc. or even... watch the followup movie about hapless woman.
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Post by dmmichgood on Aug 28, 2015 20:27:38 GMT -5
Emy 99% of people here won't even bother skimming this. I largely did this thread for myself. You are right, as far I go, Bert!
I am not even bothering to skim it except to note as per your usual you cite all this stuff without any references so the studies can be checked for accuracy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2015 20:39:43 GMT -5
Dmmichgood, it's mostly common sense in any case. I have personally noticed changes in TV just over the last ten years. It's a bit like living with a family member as opposed to seeing someone after many years - in the latter case you see differences more starkly.
And TV is just another family member, imbibing you with its values - and note: not the other way round.
Some interesting thinking from a guy who analyzed 35,000 TV characters. "TV is organized religion" is an interesting thought.
There are references in the web page The Man Who Counts the Killings George Gerbner. From www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1997/05/the-man-who-counts-the-killings/376850/
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Post by fixit on Aug 28, 2015 20:50:06 GMT -5
When you condemn TV you also condemn the internet. Television is becoming a part of the internet. Yes and no. That can be seen as false comparison. The Internet has ELEMENTS of television, but they behave in different ways. I read Google news for instance. To watch "the news" on TV means I have to sit through each show, and each comment, and each advertisement, and each padding of time, until I encounter the topic of interest. And then on the internet I can read about that journalist gunned down - I don't have to "watch" the actual act or "listen" to the crying people etc. or even... watch the followup movie about hapless woman. You'll soon be able to choose the news items of interest, and watch as much or as little as you want. You can already. Get a TV recorder Bert, or watch TV on demand. That way you won't have to see all the disgusting stuff that you so often write about.
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 28, 2015 21:19:48 GMT -5
Dmmichgood, it's mostly common sense in any case. I have personally noticed changes in TV just over the last ten years. It's a bit like living with a family member as opposed to seeing someone after many years - in the latter case you see differences more starkly.
And TV is just another family member, imbibing you with its values - and note: not the other way round.
Some interesting thinking from a guy who analyzed 35,000 TV characters. "TV is organized religion" is an interesting thought.
There are references in the web page The Man Who Counts the Killings George Gerbner. From www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1997/05/the-man-who-counts-the-killings/376850/ bert, do you personally have a TV ? You must have to notice the changes over the last 10 years !
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Post by bluejay on Aug 28, 2015 23:21:38 GMT -5
Emy 99% of people here won't even bother skimming this. I largely did this thread for myself. My question to you is ... Why? I thought a message board was a place where people held online discussions on topics of interest to them. But now you're saying you're posting information just for yourself? I can assure you that television can be informative and entertaining. Some programs have no violence, killings or sexual content. I watched several Curious George episodes on Netflicks today with my grand-daughter. She was shown how to tell the truth, how to help others, and how to obey someone in authority. She's practicing her words by retelling me the stories, and is highly entertained by an adorable monkey and a man in a yellow hat. How can that be wrong ??
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 0:15:41 GMT -5
If you read the quotes above from Gerbner he wasn't that interested in violence but in the power of TV in general to usurp institutions and values. The article mentions that Gerbner wasn't that interested in TV sex either.
It's my suspicious that Hollywood was largely responsible for changing social attitudes towards "gay marriage." How else to explain a complete turnabout in church and government policy in ten years flat? The screen is more powerful than government. The screen is the new religion. What will it do with this power?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Aug 29, 2015 0:40:09 GMT -5
I don't mind sister workers wearing flat shoes but I find it a bit much when brother workers wear high heels. It's just unTruthlike.
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 29, 2015 1:04:18 GMT -5
I don't mind sister workers wearing flat shoes but I find it a bit much when brother workers wear high heels. It's just unTruthlike. Hi Curly, where have you been ?
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Post by jondough on Aug 29, 2015 1:33:18 GMT -5
When you condemn TV you also condemn the internet. Television is becoming a part of the internet. Yes and no. That can be seen as false comparison. The Internet has ELEMENTS of television, but they behave in different ways.
I read Google news for instance. To watch "the news" on TV means I have to sit through each show, and each comment, and each advertisement, and each padding of time, until I encounter the topic of interest. And then on the internet I can read about that journalist gunned down - I don't have to "watch" the actual act or "listen" to the crying people etc. or even... watch the followup movie about hapless woman.I need to start cut and pasting my old post/comparisons like Nathan does his Trinity and History stuff. Its just I get tired of the same things being regergitated over and over. Its about time to go away for about a year again, only to come back to the same exact stuff as when i leave. Bert saying wild stuff about TVs and the TTT....same responses....My goodness. The only thing fresh are meeting new people like howitis, and a couple others that weren't here last time I was on.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 1:51:54 GMT -5
As I see, the real issue with the Internet lies not in the similarity with television but with the differences. Maybe needs a new thread. This thread is about TV. You can see from the issues raised in the studies of the impact of TV that we are talking about different mediums.
Print media Radio Television Internet
Are similar, but crucially, different.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Aug 29, 2015 2:18:44 GMT -5
I don't mind sister workers wearing flat shoes but I find it a bit much when brother workers wear high heels. It's just unTruthlike. Hi Curly, where have you been ? New lady in my life, flat shoes and all.
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Post by fixit on Aug 29, 2015 3:35:46 GMT -5
As I see, the real issue with the Internet lies not in the similarity with television but with the differences. Maybe needs a new thread. This thread is about TV. You can see from the issues raised in the studies of the impact of TV that we are talking about different mediums.
Print media Radio Television Internet
Are similar, but crucially, different. They are converging Bert.
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Post by fixit on Aug 29, 2015 3:44:35 GMT -5
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Post by bubbles on Aug 29, 2015 5:07:24 GMT -5
Emy 99% of people here won't even bother skimming this. I largely did this thread for myself. My question to you is ... Why? I thought a message board was a place where people held online discussions on topics of interest to them. But now you're saying you're posting information just for yourself? I can assure you that television can be informative and entertaining. Some programs have no violence, killings or sexual content. I watched several Curious George episodes on Netflicks today with my grand-daughter. She was shown how to tell the truth, how to help others, and how to obey someone in authority. She's practicing her words by retelling me the stories, and is highly entertained by an adorable monkey and a man in a yellow hat. HowYbor can that be wrong ?? I watch curious george as well...tickles my funny bone. Even better is shaun the sheep! ?
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