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Post by whyisitso on Sept 1, 2015 22:42:44 GMT -5
whyisitso Yuup I'm happy to talk about my family, some profess, some don't. I love and appreciate them all. What about you whyisitso? You ask of me.... so that means your people are up for discussion also? Why don't you tell us about your family? Let's have a happy families session! Hey does your happy family know of the snide mocking posts you make? Ross amuses me, he posted about his family and now still makes his ungodly mocking and often baseless posts and then squeals like a stuck pig when the consequence of it kicks him in the teeth. But he doesn't and seemingly won't learn? He's a tiger for self inflicted punishment if nothing else! Well, this is fun. I'm glad you LOVE and APPRECIATE them all. Hope they feel the same about you. As for my family.... Well, I've shared some of your posts with my dad. He DOESN'T BELIEVE me that you're a worker!! Says there's no way!! I told him you are because you said it right here on TMB. I even told him you were on a convention tour. Still didn't believe me!! Please start posting stuff that might at least make it believeable that you're a worker! Otherwise he'll think I'm telling fibs! He seemed embarrassed at your behaviour. Go figure huh!
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Post by whyisitso on Sept 1, 2015 23:04:31 GMT -5
whyisitso good try but I am have been on TMB long enough to be affected by manipulative posts by disaffected ex members. You should see how some of the really malicious old timers were when a worker was foolish enough to post here! But listen rise above the sad negative way you spend your time posting. Go to church, read your Bible; most anything would be more helpful for your soul. Or try something honest and above the mire of disaffection you presently are in and I'll respond. I'm sad, I thought you were heading that way by what you shared in some of your pms. I cared and hoped for you......and still do. It's actually true Review. I don't need to say things to be 'manipulative'. Funny you should use a word like that in your post. I think it's another of those irony things "But listen rise above the sad negative way you spend your time posting. Go to church, read your Bible; most anything would be more helpful for your soul." <<< did you write this for you too??
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Post by Grant on Sept 1, 2015 23:05:26 GMT -5
17 posts in the last 8 hours from his royal highness worker. Surely the jet lag must be settling in by now. Careful you don't get fired from your job because if you do there will be no jet setting half way round the world to do convention rounds again.
Keep playing happy families.
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Post by whyisitso on Sept 1, 2015 23:14:56 GMT -5
way less manipulation this time, well done! Thanks for the pat on the back. Btw, what would indicate to you that someone should.... "rise above the sad negative way you spend your time posting. Go to church, read your Bible; most anything would be more helpful for your soul."
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Post by fixit on Sept 1, 2015 23:23:34 GMT -5
The Roman empire was Arian under Constantius the Second and Valens in the fourth century. I think you'll find that Constantius proposed a third compromise version that lay between Arianism and the Nicene Creed. Some have called this semi-Arianism. He detested Arianism and seemed to detest Athanasius even more. I guess they were politicians. Valens was more of an Arian. But it is incorrect to say that the Roman Empire followed their views as there was a wide divergence of theological views on the issue. During their reigns the Nicene Creed was developed in 321 and further refined in 381 - Valens' successors put Arianism to bed completely. I'll read the book but it seems that Jesus was God long before Arian and others came along and challenged it.
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Post by Grant on Sept 1, 2015 23:33:23 GMT -5
What is TLC, is that the site where like minded exes have written their exit testimonies? Good site, you could learn and make changes from that. Are you on it? I wrote this earlier review in case you did not see it. "I have faith enough to know that if I pray Lord Jesus hear my prayer that He will take it to the Father and intercede for me. I trust that He accepts my worship and prayers. I trust Jesus who has done it for me to take it to the Father. Ask of the Father in my name means in Jesus name." I had to listen to myself to be able to answer your question about praying to the father in Jesus name. Come to think of it, don't you think that praying is a bit like talking to yourself? Imagine if someone walked into the room and you are praying out loud, what would they think, or is it not a problem if a worker is talking to himself.... I mean God? So listening to myself, I sometimes pray - Lord, I come to you....... Father, I come to you....Lord Jesus I thank you for..... A common one that I heard even in meetings is "come quickly Lord Jesus"...isn't that praying to Jesus? What I heard in meetings was something like: I thank you for the day the workers came into my life.....Hey what about thanking Jesus for the day he came into your life? Can't do that because you have to say Father... not Jesus. You will be saying that we use the name Jesus too much soon.
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Post by fred on Sept 1, 2015 23:46:57 GMT -5
That is a very gracious way of stating it Ross ........ I'm glad you didn't sink to the level of using the word "cringing".
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Post by rational on Sept 2, 2015 1:18:38 GMT -5
From the people who invented the trinity: Catechism of the Catholic ChurchThe dogma of the Holy Trinity253 The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the "consubstantial Trinity". The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entire: "The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e. by nature one God." In the words of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), "Each of the persons is that supreme reality, viz., the divine substance, essence or nature." 254 The divine persons are really distinct from one another. "God is one but not solitary." "Father", "Son", "Holy Spirit" are not simply names designating modalities of the divine being, for they are really distinct from one another: "He is not the Father who is the Son, nor is the Son he who is the Father, nor is the Holy Spirit he who is the Father or the Son." They are distinct from one another in their relations of origin: "It is the Father who generates, the Son who is begotten, and the Holy Spirit who proceeds." The divine Unity is Triune. 255 The divine persons are relative to one another. Because it does not divide the divine unity, the real distinction of the persons from one another resides solely in the relationships which relate them to one another: "In the relational names of the persons the Father is related to the Son, the Son to the Father, and the Holy Spirit to both. While they are called three persons in view of their relations, we believe in one nature or substance." Indeed "everything (in them) is one where there is no opposition of relationship." "Because of that unity the Father is wholly in the Son and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Son is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Holy Spirit; the Holy Spirit is wholly in the Father and wholly in the Son." 256 St. Gregory of Nazianzus, also called "the Theologian", entrusts this summary of Trinitarian faith to the catechumens of Constantinople: Above all guard for me this great deposit of faith for which I live and fight, which I want to take with me as a companion, and which makes me bear all evils and despise all pleasures: I mean the profession of faith in the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. I entrust it to you today. By it I am soon going to plunge you into water and raise you up from it. I give it to you as the companion and patron of your whole life. I give you but one divinity and power, existing one in three, and containing the three in a distinct way. Divinity without disparity of substance or nature, without superior degree that raises up or inferior degree that casts down. . . the infinite co-naturality of three infinites. Each person considered in himself is entirely God. . . the three considered together. . . I have not even begun to think of unity when the Trinity bathes me in its splendor. I have not even begun to think of the Trinity when unity grasps me.
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 2, 2015 2:04:30 GMT -5
That is a very gracious way of stating it Ross ........ I'm glad you didn't sink to the level of using the word "cringing". Fred, Cringing describes well my feelings at some of those grumpy/ungracious/ 'out of sorts' statements and posts of yours. Would you be happier in an anglican evangelical or such like environment? A number of your posts suggest that. I guess you have your reasons for remaining; albeit the somewhat unhappy camper that you appear to be...each to his own! I'd say in your heart of hearts you know but enjoy having your grumps here? Well there you go ! I would have though that fred is a very positive and realistic person ! Grumps ? You sure you haven't got fred and bert mixed up @review005 ?
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Post by whyisitso on Sept 2, 2015 2:19:54 GMT -5
way less manipulation this time, well done! Thanks for the pat on the back. Btw, what would indicate to you that someone should.... "rise above the sad negative way you spend your time posting. Go to church, read your Bible; most anything would be more helpful for your soul." Hi Review Just posting again as you might have missed my question Whyisitso
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Post by Roselyn T on Sept 2, 2015 2:20:37 GMT -5
Appreciate your post Roselyn and expressing your view and perspective, you just spoilt it at the end with your patronising and sarcastic comment about Fred and Bert. I can well understand that you would find Fred positive and realistic. I'd think Bert would have cause for concern if someone with the mindset of Roselyn T described him as a very positive and realistic person. Thanks @review005, you never disappoint
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 2, 2015 2:30:48 GMT -5
whyisitso Yuup I'm happy to talk about my family, some profess, some don't. I love and appreciate them all. What about you whyisitso? You ask of me.... so that means your people are up for discussion also? Why don't you tell us about your family? Let's have a happy families session! Hey does your happy family know of the snide mocking posts you make? Ross amuses me, he posted about his family and now still makes his ungodly mocking and often baseless posts and then squeals like a stuck pig when the consequence of it kicks him in the teeth. But he doesn't and seemingly won't learn? He's a tiger for self inflicted punishment if nothing else! Well, this is fun. I'm glad you LOVE and APPRECIATE them all. Hope they feel the same about you. As for my family.... Well, I've shared some of your posts with my dad. He DOESN'T BELIEVE me that you're a worker!! Says there's no way!! I told him you are because you said it right here on TMB. I even told him you were on a convention tour. Still didn't believe me!! Please start posting stuff that might at least make it believeable that you're a worker! Otherwise he'll think I'm telling fibs! He seemed embarrassed at your behaviour. Go figure huh! Your dad isn't the only one who wonders if he is a worker!!
Doesn't much sound like one, does he?
I have known some doozys in my time, but never one quite like him!
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Post by fixit on Sept 2, 2015 5:08:08 GMT -5
A slightly shorter traditional version ... "There is but one living and true God, everlasting, of infinite power, wisdom, and goodness; the Maker, and Preserver of all things both visible and invisible. And in unity of this Godhead there be three Persons, of one substance, power, and eternity; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost." or another version "There is but one only living and true God, who is infinite in being and perfection, a most pure spirit. In the unity of the Godhead there are three Persons of one substance, power, and eternity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. The Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; the Holy Ghost eternally proceeding from the Father and the Son." When questioned about anything deeper than a superficial concept of the Trinity, apologists retreat to claiming the inadequacies of the human mind. Trinitarians claim that its "essentially inconceivable and inexpressible to created minds and lips" so why make an issue of it? It makes better sense for me to stick with biblical terminology and concepts, and leave the highfalutin theories to the theologians.
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Post by maryhig on Sept 2, 2015 5:36:54 GMT -5
A slightly shorter traditional version ... "There is but one living and true God, everlasting, of infinite power, wisdom, and goodness; the Maker, and Preserver of all things both visible and invisible. And in unity of this Godhead there be three Persons, of one substance, power, and eternity; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost." or another version "There is but one only living and true God, who is infinite in being and perfection, a most pure spirit. In the unity of the Godhead there are three Persons of one substance, power, and eternity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. The Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; the Holy Ghost eternally proceeding from the Father and the Son." When questioned about anything deeper than a superficial concept of the Trinity, apologists retreat to claiming the inadequacies of the human mind. Trinitarians claim that its "essentially inconceivable and inexpressible to created minds and lips" so why make an issue of it? It makes better sense for me to stick with biblical terminology and concepts, and leave the highfalutin theories to the theologians. Yes, all that doesn't sound much like Jesus does it?
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Post by snow on Sept 2, 2015 10:44:13 GMT -5
Why should I ever use terms except that which is common and clear in Scripture? What need for anything more than the perfect 'Son of God' which the NT writers used 46 times! Then The Holy Spirit....not God the Holy Spirit. Jesus the Son of God....not Jesus the God of Son!! Both you and Ross finally conceded that people have a deep living personal relationship with God with such and need nothing more. I am 100% happy for you, Ross and other Trinity folk to use triune, trinity, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit and whatever else you wish to use. If you feel you have a superior and deeper understanding then run your' triathlon' with that....and continue your posts trying to enlighten the poor souls ...who have a deep living personal relationship with God and need nothing more. See if you can keep the thread running for another 100 pages triathlon running around the trimullberry bush! Hey...I don't expect or ask you or Ross to limit yourselves to Biblical expression! It's also probably best you don't expect fixit, maryhig, jon dough etc to start up with your trinity terminology either. So ' just accept that you understand better and have a deeper revelation' and that you are banging your head against the wall in expecting the Biblical language folk to see and say it your way! It's NOT the terminology we are talking here but doctrine or teaching which exists in the Bible. I have showed many verses that Jesus is God in the New and Old testament. You wrote you believe Jesus is fully Divine/God but you don't like the early church fathers 2nd century apostles terminologies which clearly described the Godhead= Trinity, Triune God, God the Son because it's NOT recorded in the Bible writings ended by the 1st century.
Jesus Christ is BOTH the Son of God and the Lord God Almighty Himself that is according to the Bible. Jesus said it clearly in Revelation 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”
You MUST and need to dividing/teaching the word of God correctly to those who come and listen to the strangers, and friends who attend your gospel meetings, special meetings, and conventions. Paul wrote in II Timothy 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.
Just how did your chat with Review005 at Boring convention go Nathan? Doesn't sound like the two of you agree. I never grew up being taught Jesus was God, but I was taught he was perfect and divine. History of Christianity shows the Trinity was an after thought in response to Pagans accusation that Christians were just like them and worshiped more than one God. The only real monotheists are the Jews and the Muslims. Of course they call their Gods something different but hey what's in a name when we're talking a supernatural being?
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Post by fixit on Sept 2, 2015 14:17:11 GMT -5
Just how did your chat with Review005 at Boring convention go Nathan? Doesn't sound like the two of you agree. I never grew up being taught Jesus was God, but I was taught he was perfect and divine. History of Christianity shows the Trinity was an after thought in response to Pagans accusation that Christians were just like them and worshiped more than one God. The only real monotheists are the Jews and the Muslims. Of course they call their Gods something different but hey what's in a name when we're talking a supernatural being? The Islamic faith has benefitted greatly from Trinitarian theology, because it does your head in trying to make sense of a three-in-one God. Even today young people are leaving Christian families to embrace Islam - and Trinitarian confusion is one of the reasons.
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Post by fixit on Sept 2, 2015 16:25:48 GMT -5
You sound confused fixit. Nothing confusing about the Trinity. Many are becoming disillusioned by Islam too and turning to the Christian faith except it's harder for them due to the persecution and even death if they leave their faith. I can't get my head around the mumbo jumbo of Trinitarian theology so I'll have to leave it to you more advanced theologians. I'll stick with the biblical terminology and concepts.
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Post by magpie on Sept 2, 2015 17:55:53 GMT -5
If one searched Wikipedia's list (2xSITES)under Non-Trinitarian Churches,far way in you come upon one "2x2 Church" and the other "2x2 Church,Cooneyites. P.S. Fixit Dont worry about terminology,E.G. Hate your mother and father?=the proper translation is to love less,English does not have levels for many words as Greek and Aramaic.Like Rapture?=taking up.Catholic =universal sadly we are frightened to use it for a bad brands sake.Good News = Gospel and visa versa,Christianity is one religion,denominationalism as Christian Conventions are the divider.Triune is as Trinity a good discription of the oneness of God the Father,God the Son,God the Holy Spirit(Ghost)the three in one.Hope that helps.
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Post by fixit on Sept 2, 2015 18:12:01 GMT -5
If one searched Wikipedia's list (2xSITES)under Non-Trinitarian Churches,far way in you come upon one "2x2 Church" and the other "2x2 Church,Cooneyites. P.S. Fixit Dont worry about terminology,E.G. Hate your mother and father?=the proper translation is to love less,English does not have levels for many words as Greek and Aramaic.Like Rapture?=taking up.Catholic =universal sadly we are frightened to use it for a bad brands sake.Good News = Gospel and visa versa,Christianity is one religion,denominationalism as Christian Conventions are the divider.Triune is as Trinity a good discription of the oneness of God the Father,God the Son,God the Holy Spirit(Ghost)the three in one.Hope that helps. I'm not one to follow the crowd unless it makes sense for me personally.
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Post by magpie on Sept 2, 2015 22:23:45 GMT -5
Fixit,watch where the crowd are going,amongst them could be many answers as well as searching for Hope. Dont be frightened amongst them so to understand what God wants you to be to them.
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Post by whyisitso on Sept 6, 2015 1:43:51 GMT -5
way less manipulation this time, well done! Thanks for the pat on the back. Btw, what would indicate to you that someone should.... "rise above the sad negative way you spend your time posting. Go to church, read your Bible; most anything would be more helpful for your soul." Hi review Just wondering if you could answer this question I asked you the other day? Thanks
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 6, 2015 1:47:06 GMT -5
You sound confused fixit. Nothing confusing about the Trinity. Many are becoming disillusioned by Islam too and turning to the Christian faith except it's harder for them due to the persecution and even death if they leave their faith. I can't get my head around the mumbo jumbo of Trinitarian theology so I'll have to leave it to you more advanced theologians. I'll stick with the biblical terminology and concepts. Don't worry fixit, nothing wrong with your head about the trinity.. It is just mumbo jumbo anyway.
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Post by fixit on Sept 6, 2015 4:36:08 GMT -5
Most of the workers and the friends have been taught God refers ONLY to the Father! and Jesus is the Son of God. The Trinity is RCC heresy doctrine. Jesus is God came after the 3rd century taught by RCC bishops. The friends and workers have been taught incorrectly about these things for years by the workers. According to the scriptures Christ/Jesus is God with the Father from eternity. Jesus did NOT become God after the 3rd century but he had always been part of the Godhead like His heavenly Father. The word God refers to the Father, Christ/Son and Holy Spirit. There was no word "God" in the Hebrew bible. There was the word "Elohim" which denotes God, angels, judges, the rulers of countries...
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Post by whyisitso on Sept 6, 2015 18:04:32 GMT -5
Thanks for the pat on the back. Btw, what would indicate to you that someone should.... "rise above the sad negative way you spend your time posting. Go to church, read your Bible; most anything would be more helpful for your soul." Hi review Just wondering if you could answer this question I asked you the other day? Thanks Seems you're not able to answer this. Don't worry, I think I've figured it out, I've just read your last 10 or so posts.
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Post by whyisitso on Sept 6, 2015 19:20:12 GMT -5
whyisitso good try but I am have been on TMB long enough to be affected by manipulative posts by disaffected ex members. You should see how some of the really malicious old timers were when a worker was foolish enough to post here! But listen rise above the sad negative way you spend your time posting. Go to church, read your Bible; most anything would be more helpful for your soul. Or try something honest and above the mire of disaffection you presently are in and I'll respond. I'm sad, I thought you were heading that way by what you shared in some of your pms. I cared and hoped for you......and still do. Third paragraph down.... I asked what behaviour would indicate to you that someone would need to ... 'rise above the sad negative way you spend your time posting. Go to church, read your Bible; most anything would be more helpful for your soul' ?
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Post by whyisitso on Sept 7, 2015 1:05:08 GMT -5
Do you mind me asking you to explain your motive and reason for asking this question? Isn't motive & reason the same thing? Nothing sinister Review. Just curious.
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Post by dmmichgood on Sept 7, 2015 2:20:40 GMT -5
Someone who posts in the manner you do indicates that to me. Whyisitso, -Don't worry. There isn't any hope for review.
He is so steeped in "workerise" that he doesn't know how to answer questions.
Can only answer with a question or in some humiliating way.
The idea is to not divulge any real information, -just to try & throw the person off track.
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Post by whyisitso on Sept 7, 2015 2:26:32 GMT -5
Someone who posts in the manner you do indicates that to me. Well, considering it was your words to start with thats an odd answer. I wish you well Review, that's all I needed to know. I didn't really think I'd get a straight answer but it's always good to be curious and ask the question. You've not let down the brother hood. Good to know things are consistent across the ditch.
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