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Post by kurtzphil69 on Sept 1, 2015 14:55:26 GMT -5
I see you've chosen to ignore my question(s). Either that or your post just doesn't make sense. That's okay. I'll ask this one one more time: If Walker is 'ungracious', (your word) so what. What's it matter to you? Why should you even care about Walker's sentiment toward workers? And we don't even know that he really IS ungracious. But, regardless, he is not obligated to be gracious, now is he?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 15:20:06 GMT -5
I have seen so many young workers leave with invisible scars. It kills me to hear about some resting due to nerves. I have seen some pressured to offer from friends, family and workers only to discover it isn't "for them". Again, some of them are cult out for it and seem comfortable there. After a year or two, I could usually tell who is there for life and who isn't. Seems like fewer are in it for life. The turnover in the eastern US is rampant.
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Post by howitis on Sept 1, 2015 15:20:57 GMT -5
No kurtzphil69, no one is obligated to be gracious to anyone not even you or I, we are entitled to be ungracious and must expect it in return. However, isn't the world that much nicer when people are more gracious to one another? That is my answer to the question! Walker seems overburdened with wanting to have notice taken of him, wanting news, wanting to be the first one in with news.......some call him a gossip, that's a bit harsh considering that's often a title used for little old ladies like me!! Mind you walker doesn't often like to answer for himself....leaves it to his fan club....who seem to like answers!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 15:23:04 GMT -5
Howisit, are you a sister worker??
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Sept 1, 2015 15:31:16 GMT -5
Howisit, are you a sister worker?? Maybe that's it. He/she is a worker. Could be a brother worker. If you are a worker, howisit, glad to have any input/insight from your perspective. But I would encourage you to be Christ-like and avoid making accusations out of thin air. The workers are talked about a lot of this board. Hope you do not find these things offensive and if so, my apologies. I have some Jesus in me to, believe it or not. Yes, he overthrew the moneychangers tables; mainly because they were defiling the Temple-a grievous sin. If you feel this board is defiling the Temple, that's how you feel and that's your prerrogative. It is what it is. The 'Temple' in these days is our bodies and our spirit can be easily defiled-we are easily deceived that way.
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Sept 1, 2015 15:35:55 GMT -5
No kurtzphil69, no one is obligated to be gracious to anyone not even you or I, we are entitled to be ungracious and must expect it in return. However, isn't the world that much nicer when people are more gracious to one another? That is my answer to the question! Walker seems overburdened with wanting to have notice taken of him, wanting news, wanting to be the first one in with news.......some call him a gossip, that's a bit harsh considering that's often a title used for little old ladies like me!! Mind you walker doesn't often like to answer for himself....leaves it to his fan club....who seem to like answers! Yes, the world is better place when folks are gracious toward one another; as long as it is not fake graciousness or veneer. Walker is not laboring under any pretense, at least. Can you handle a little criticism, even when it's not directed at you? I don't know, maybe you feel the comments about workers ARE directed at you. Does it really matter what people think of the workers? The most important thing is what God thinks. And if the workers have His blessing, that is sufficient. His Grace IS sufficient. I think you are reading me wrong here. There is no Walker fan club. Where did you get that idea? Are people entitled to be ungracious? I wouldn't carry it that far...they might just simply not feel gracious for whatever reason. It is what it is. I wouldn't take it personal.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 15:44:28 GMT -5
Howisit, are you a sister worker?? maybe your fan club could answer that
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Sept 1, 2015 15:48:07 GMT -5
Howisit, are you a sister worker?? maybe your fan club could answer that Definitely not in any fan club of Walker's if such exists, which I doubt it does. But I think most likely howitis is a worker and that is why he/she is so defensive. I am sorry if he/she is offended by anything posted about workers.The baby workers will be just fine. God is looking over them.
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Post by bitterbetty on Sept 2, 2015 16:53:48 GMT -5
I have seen so many young workers leave with invisible scars. It kills me to hear about some resting due to nerves. I have seen some pressured to offer from friends, family and workers only to discover it isn't "for them". Again, some of them are cult out for it and seem comfortable there. After a year or two, I could usually tell who is there for life and who isn't. Seems like fewer are in it for life. The turnover in the eastern US is rampant. This post here seems to show that you have a genuine concern for workers. "Nerves", eh? Yeah...maybe it's not so much physical labor and stress that do a person in; sometimes it's mental, emotional and even spiritual. And perhaps there is pressure! For many young workers starting out they may have gone into the work with a concept about the ideals of laboring for the Lord, being able to preach the Gospel and devoting their life to God. But, they may find out that isn't as easy as they had anticipated and the work may even be fraught with unforeseen dangers, certain expectations, etc and also may find that the support they thought would naturally come from those within the work is simply not there or not there in enough abundance. I've never been a worker; can only imagine what it is like NOT to have a significant other-maybe that's why some are not 'cut out' for the work. The significant other should be that of a companion even though they are only companions on a temporary basis. While some companions are great, others aren't...or you just may get two workers who are not connecting well. Whatever the case may be. I think the older ones really need to nurture the younger ones and also be open to being nurtured by the younger ones in turn. As a brand new grad nurse I remember my first year out of nursing school was one of the hardest. There were some older more experienced nurses who were helpful, patient and kind and naturally I had a lot to learn. But, some of them were mean and impatient. I remember both types well. I was so young when I graduated from nursing school and was the youngest in my nursing class. The older ones dubbed me "the teenager" and that was not an endearment, I tell ya. Indeed, I did have to learn the hard way that I still had a LOT to learn, even though I had gone through nursing school and had the initials behind my name. I get that now. I sympathize with brand new nurses and just try to be helpful and kind to them as I feel their pain of finding their way and trying to figure out what to do in the real world of nursing. They know what they learned in school, but still things come up in practice that need addressed and they didn't teach everything in school for how to handle many situations. My first nursing boss told me once she thought the worst thing you could do was shelter a new grad too much; that they had to go through the fire and really get it. And while I can see that aspect of it-I think more could be done to help new nurses learn what they need to know in not such a painful way...
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Post by bitterbetty on Sept 2, 2015 17:01:32 GMT -5
And as far as 'rest' and 'resting' goes. It really shouldn't be something to be ashamed or frowned upon. Personally, I believe that folks should have adequate rest periods incorporated into their lives, whatever their calling or occupation might be. I am biased about this issue, but strongly feel that many people simply need more REST in their lives! Maybe it's just a matter of "taking a break". Nothing wrong with that. Vacations are great, but in many cases vacations are not really a rest period.
To bad there would be stigma attached to having your name at the bottom of a list saying that you are 'resting'. The friends and rest of the workers likely get this picture in their mind of someone who has fallen apart at the seams and is losing it. And, maybe that really is the case with some. Maybe instead of having the word: "resting" next to their name, it should say, "Break time".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 17:38:13 GMT -5
sabbatical?
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Post by bitterbetty on Sept 4, 2015 16:34:22 GMT -5
Eggzactly! Ever taken a sabbatical, Walker? If a person is able to do it, I think it's a marvelous idea!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 16:11:31 GMT -5
Maybe every worker needs a one year rest every 5-10 years?? It would help them keep in touch with the busy lives of the saints.
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Post by Grant on Sept 7, 2015 16:35:52 GMT -5
The Sabbath was the 7th day, 7th month and 7th year for resting. The workers have 3 months off every year. Where in the Bible is that?
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Post by bitterbetty on Sept 7, 2015 16:45:19 GMT -5
The Sabbath was the 7th day, 7th month and 7th year for resting. The workers have 3 months off every year. Where in the Bible is that? Hah! I was just going to suggest every 7 years(to combat the 7-year-itch?) It's a happy medium between 5 and 10 years... I didn't know they took 3 months off every year...
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Post by bitterbetty on Sept 7, 2015 16:50:48 GMT -5
Maybe every worker needs a one year rest every 5-10 years?? It would help them keep in touch with the busy lives of the saints. Couldn't agree more. Hey, I nominate you for overseer. (kidding) Um. But, as to break times. The mentality tends to be that if a person takes a significant break they are somehow in danger of leaving the work permanently. But, I feel that "breaks" from the "usual "are healthy things. It doesn't mean you won't come back to it. An example I can think of is with marriage. Taking a break from one another can actually be a healthy thing. I doesn't mean you don't love the person or that you are going to leave them...but when you are around something or someone too much it's not always a good thing.... If one is secure in their relationship they shouldn't feel threatened by it either.
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Sept 7, 2015 17:26:46 GMT -5
Maybe every worker needs a one year rest every 5-10 years?? It would help them keep in touch with the busy lives of the saints. Or maybe it would be good for some workers to get a break from being around the friends all the time. They pretty much live with the friends as it is. For that reason, they already receive a good sampling of how the friends live, etc. On one hand, staying with the friends like they do keeps them in touch with the fellowship. But, on the other hand, when they only stay with the friends for a few nights at a time, they don't get the true reality of how the friends live their lives daily, what it's like to have a demanding job, etc. I want to say that when the workers stay with the friends, the friends are on their best behavior during that time. Maybe not in all cases. But, usually when people have company they put their best foot forward. Also, some (not all) friends present one side to the workers and another side to others. This is really not much different than patients who behave one way when the Dr. makes rounds and then the rest of the time are different around the nurses, who are there ALL the time. Perhaps it's just a matter of people behaving different around authority figures.
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Sept 7, 2015 17:28:36 GMT -5
Maybe every worker needs a one year rest every 5-10 years?? It would help them keep in touch with the busy lives of the saints. Couldn't agree more. Hey, I nominate you for overseer. (kidding) Um. But, as to break times. The mentality tends to be that if a person takes a significant break they are somehow in danger of leaving the work permanently. But, I feel that "breaks" from the "usual "are healthy things. It doesn't mean you won't come back to it. An example I can think of is with marriage. Taking a break from one another can actually be a healthy thing. I doesn't mean you don't love the person or that you are going to leave them...but when you are around something or someone too much it's not always a good thing.... If one is secure in their relationship they shouldn't feel threatened by it either. I don't know this is indeed true, but someone told me once that some countries in Europe require people to take 6 weeks off work every year.
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Post by magpie on Sept 7, 2015 18:04:16 GMT -5
Why would that lazy lot need a break? They have a monthe recreation every year,call it convention. The gospel os exclusivsm stops and the crying hearts and souls can go jump for a month.Many people in our various churches spend their vacations flying off to 3rd world to assist or drive to remote areas as volunteers as para groups to assist with mission,maintainence,nuturing,health,justice,welfare,or just study the desperate needs,etc.I know of 2 lots that went to kenya to help at an christian donated orphanage as their honeymoon.Lazy 2x2s need a breakHA,HA
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Post by bitterbetty on Sept 7, 2015 18:21:50 GMT -5
Why would that lazy lot need a break? They have a monthe recreation every year,call it convention. The gospel os exclusivsm stops and the crying hearts and souls can go jump for a month.Many people in our various churches spend their vacations flying off to 3rd world to assist or drive to remote areas as volunteers as para groups to assist with mission,maintainence,nuturing,health,justice,welfare,or just study the desperate needs,etc.I know of 2 lots that went to kenya to help at an christian donated orphanage as their honeymoon.Lazy 2x2s need a breakHA,HA Hmmm. Food for thought? Do you really think they are being lazy? Or, are they just doing what is expected of them? Maybe there are some workers who would like to do things different or reach out to the community more-to really evangelize more, but the way things are set up they don't have much chance or time to intermingle with outsiders. The onus of bringing in newcomers in is put on the friends. Has it always been that way? Probably not. But, over time, the workers' role has changed from primarily evangelical to pastoral. In the NT this became an issue as well with the early churches, so that is why they appointed elders, deacons, and bishops to do more of the pastoring and ministering to members of the churches. (am I correct?) I don't really consider conventions recreational. I don't know, maybe it is for some. If convention was truly recreational in my mind, there would be horseshoes, campfires and music jams, as well as a cooler full of your favorite beverage!
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Post by bitterbetty on Sept 7, 2015 19:52:33 GMT -5
Sabbatical. These days 'taking a sabbatical' isn't always just about taking some time off to rest, relax and lounge about. It could be about just doing something different than what you usually do for a period of time. Something you'd like to do, but your everyday life doesn't allow you to do. I would like to take a musical sabbatical. Catch some great festivals and some of my favorite musicians. Become a Tim O'Brien groupie. www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUeZOjONFN0Blue Is Falling.
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Post by bitterbetty on Sept 8, 2015 1:24:38 GMT -5
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