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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 23:00:49 GMT -5
It's hard to miss the news about that Ashley Maddison site. Forty million people, who want to "cheat" on their spouses have had themselves exposed (including a few in Saudi Arabia where they could lose their heads.)
Clearly, what is broken isn't the security of the web site, but marriage itself. As widely believed, "marriage" is just another archaic Judaeo-Christian concept. Thus definitions of marriage are a form of religious imposition. Increasingly people are making up their own minds about ethical behavior.
I think it would be good to set terms for marriage, say a maximum two years. People won't need to "cheat" as much. Thus people will be able to explore all sorts of marriage arrangements such as polygamy, polyamory, pederasty, weekend marriages etc. Some sort of dignity could be provided to what is commonly called "one night stands."
Fact is, we are born "cheats." People can't help that. We shouldn't even use the word "cheat" as this is judging people. If people "cheat" it isn't because they are "bad" but because the "system" has forced them into the situation. God loves "cheaters" too.
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Post by whyisitso on Aug 23, 2015 23:57:24 GMT -5
It's hard to miss the news about that Ashley Maddison site. Forty million people, who want to "cheat" on their spouses have had themselves exposed (including a few in Saudi Arabia where they could lose their heads.)
Clearly, what is broken isn't the security of the web site, but marriage itself. As widely believed, "marriage" is just another archaic Judaeo-Christian concept. Thus definitions of marriage are a form of religious imposition. Increasingly people are making up their own minds about ethical behavior.
I think it would be good to set terms for marriage, say a maximum two years. People won't need to "cheat" as much. Thus people will be able to explore all sorts of marriage arrangements such as polygamy, polyamory, pederasty, weekend marriages etc. Some sort of dignity could be provided to what is commonly called "one night stands."
Fact is, we are born "cheats." People can't help that. We shouldn't even use the word "cheat" as this is judging people. If people "cheat" it isn't because they are "bad" but because the "system" has forced them into the situation. God loves "cheaters" too. Well if you think the 2 yr thing would work for you Bert I say go right ahead. I quite like my husband so I'm going to stick with him
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Post by Scott Ross on Aug 23, 2015 23:59:36 GMT -5
Doesn't everyone do this?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 0:07:47 GMT -5
Quote - "Increasingly people are making up their own minds about ethical behavior.
Doesn't everyone do this?"
That's a question with an extremely complex and nuanced answer. Strictly speaking, the true precepts of Judaeo Christianity, require that you don't form your own ethics. But you only have to look at the world's religions to see that anything goes.
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Post by bendle on Aug 24, 2015 2:07:41 GMT -5
You need to look up the ancient pagan tradition of 'handfasting' whereby a couple would declare a binding union between themselves for a year and a day. That suit you Bert?
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Post by fred on Aug 24, 2015 3:47:38 GMT -5
It's hard to miss the news about that Ashley Maddison site. Forty million people, who want to "cheat" on their spouses have had themselves exposed (including a few in Saudi Arabia where they could lose their heads.)
Clearly, what is broken isn't the security of the web site, but marriage itself. As widely believed, "marriage" is just another archaic Judaeo-Christian concept. Thus definitions of marriage are a form of religious imposition. Increasingly people are making up their own minds about ethical behavior.
I think it would be good to set terms for marriage, say a maximum two years. People won't need to "cheat" as much. Thus people will be able to explore all sorts of marriage arrangements such as polygamy, polyamory, pederasty, weekend marriages etc. Some sort of dignity could be provided to what is commonly called "one night stands."
Fact is, we are born "cheats." People can't help that. We shouldn't even use the word "cheat" as this is judging people. If people "cheat" it isn't because they are "bad" but because the "system" has forced them into the situation. God loves "cheaters" too. Who Is Ashley Maddison, and what is all this about? .... No, I really don't want to know. What piques my interest is that Bert knows, the guy who seems to have prurient and insatiable interest in pop culture and all it's spin-offs. Go for a walk along the Murray, drop a line and catch a cod, camp on the banks beside a nice fire, just do something to break the cycle of addiction.
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Post by matisse on Aug 24, 2015 6:02:29 GMT -5
Ashley Madison is in the news in North America. It is a "dating" website for people looking to cheat on their spouse/partner. The company was hacked recently and identifying information about its users was published.
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Aug 24, 2015 7:14:15 GMT -5
There's not much sympathy for any of the users of this service, but it does prove an important point - nothing on the internet is unhackable, no matter how secure anybody claims their service or data is.
And as our pastor said on Sunday - "be sure your sins will find you out ... Ashley Maddison".
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Post by snow on Aug 24, 2015 11:27:24 GMT -5
It's hard to miss the news about that Ashley Maddison site. Forty million people, who want to "cheat" on their spouses have had themselves exposed (including a few in Saudi Arabia where they could lose their heads.)
Clearly, what is broken isn't the security of the web site, but marriage itself. As widely believed, "marriage" is just another archaic Judaeo-Christian concept. Thus definitions of marriage are a form of religious imposition. Increasingly people are making up their own minds about ethical behavior.
I think it would be good to set terms for marriage, say a maximum two years. People won't need to "cheat" as much. Thus people will be able to explore all sorts of marriage arrangements such as polygamy, polyamory, pederasty, weekend marriages etc. Some sort of dignity could be provided to what is commonly called "one night stands."
Fact is, we are born "cheats." People can't help that. We shouldn't even use the word "cheat" as this is judging people. If people "cheat" it isn't because they are "bad" but because the "system" has forced them into the situation. God loves "cheaters" too. Why get married at all? If you are in a relationship respect the expectations of that relationship. If you no longer wish to be with that person, leave or if it's okay with the other person, redefine the expectations of the relationship.
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Post by snow on Aug 24, 2015 11:32:49 GMT -5
It's hard to miss the news about that Ashley Maddison site. Forty million people, who want to "cheat" on their spouses have had themselves exposed (including a few in Saudi Arabia where they could lose their heads.)
Clearly, what is broken isn't the security of the web site, but marriage itself. As widely believed, "marriage" is just another archaic Judaeo-Christian concept. Thus definitions of marriage are a form of religious imposition. Increasingly people are making up their own minds about ethical behavior.
I think it would be good to set terms for marriage, say a maximum two years. People won't need to "cheat" as much. Thus people will be able to explore all sorts of marriage arrangements such as polygamy, polyamory, pederasty, weekend marriages etc. Some sort of dignity could be provided to what is commonly called "one night stands."
Fact is, we are born "cheats." People can't help that. We shouldn't even use the word "cheat" as this is judging people. If people "cheat" it isn't because they are "bad" but because the "system" has forced them into the situation. God loves "cheaters" too. Who Is Ashley Maddison, and what is all this about? .... No, I really don't want to know. What piques my interest is that Bert knows, the guy who seems to have prurient and insatiable interest in pop culture and all it's spin-offs. Go for a walk along the Murray, drop a line and catch a cod, camp on the banks beside a nice fire, just do something to break the cycle of addiction. motherboard.vice.com/read/ashley-madison-hackers-speak-out-nobody-was-watching
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Post by snow on Aug 24, 2015 11:33:46 GMT -5
Ashley Madison is in the news in North America. It is a "dating" website for people looking to cheat on their spouse/partner. The company was hacked recently and identifying information about its users was published. And poor Josh Duggar just got himself slapped again. He can't win!
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Post by matisse on Aug 24, 2015 12:14:17 GMT -5
Ashley Madison is in the news in North America. It is a "dating" website for people looking to cheat on their spouse/partner. The company was hacked recently and identifying information about its users was published. And poor Josh Duggar just got himself slapped again. He can't win! It sounds like his poor wife, is being blamed for her husband's "need" to have affairs. Ugh.
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Post by snow on Aug 24, 2015 12:28:12 GMT -5
And poor Josh Duggar just got himself slapped again. He can't win! It sounds like his poor wife, is being blamed for her husband's "need" to have affairs. Ugh. Well of course. Women are to be submissive to their husbands and if she wasn't quite submissive enough or maybe didn't want 20+ babies like her MIL she likely is to blame for making him stray. I need to find a facepalm that I can just bring up from time to time!
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Post by What Hat on Aug 24, 2015 14:33:53 GMT -5
This is quite an interesting story, from both a hacking/ technical and a moral perspective. I feel a bit torn in my feelings about this. Of course, the hacking action and disclosure are illegal, and there are now reports of a couple of suicides resulting from the disclosures. Public shaming and the high-mindedness and self-righteousness that go with it are reprehensible.
But I also feel a sense of schaden freude at the cheaters that have been found out by this. And while I don't think we should stone or even prosecute adulterers as in days gone by, I believe its facilitation and promotion should be illegal. So if this sinks Ashley Madison, that's good news.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 24, 2015 15:15:41 GMT -5
Why get married at all? If you are in a relationship respect the expectations of that relationship. If you no longer wish to be with that person, leave or if it's okay with the other person, redefine the expectations of the relationship. There are income tax advantages for a married couple in the USA. Also health insurance advantages.
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Post by snow on Aug 24, 2015 16:45:14 GMT -5
Why get married at all? If you are in a relationship respect the expectations of that relationship. If you no longer wish to be with that person, leave or if it's okay with the other person, redefine the expectations of the relationship. There are income tax advantages for a married couple in the USA. Also health insurance advantages. That makes sense for couples in the States then. In Canada there is no real distinction between married and common law as far as health care or even inheritance. We are taxed the same too if we have lived together for a year I think it is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2015 18:24:05 GMT -5
Of course, some might read "Gay marriage" into my post. Homosexuals uprooting the definition of marriage may find they have a Pyrrhic victory as everyone will now rush the exits of what they see as a straight-jacket marital institution.
A similar thing happened in a church here in Aust. Big struggle to overthrow the leadership of that church - and when it was achieved the congregation simply got up and left.
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Post by What Hat on Aug 24, 2015 19:04:45 GMT -5
Why get married at all? If you are in a relationship respect the expectations of that relationship. If you no longer wish to be with that person, leave or if it's okay with the other person, redefine the expectations of the relationship. There are income tax advantages for a married couple in the USA. Also health insurance advantages. From what I remember of watching a "60 minutes" episode some decades ago, there are significant tax advantages if you divorce. Apparently, people were divorcing and continuing to live as man and wife. Wouldn't your income tax in the US be reduced if you followed this strategy? Here in Canada we aren't taxed on family income, only on individual income.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 24, 2015 19:33:15 GMT -5
No in the USA, married filing joint return is cheaper than single. No matter how one is single - widow or divorced. There is also a "single head of household" (with children). I dont know how that one plays out...never been in that situation.
Also, in USA, social security - when the spouse making the most SS money dies, the remaining spouse can draw the amount the deceased one was paid, instead of their lesser amount.
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Post by bluejay on Aug 29, 2015 10:48:58 GMT -5
There are income tax advantages for a married couple in the USA. Also health insurance advantages. From what I remember of watching a "60 minutes" episode some decades ago, there are significant tax advantages if you divorce. Apparently, people were divorcing and continuing to live as man and wife. Wouldn't your income tax in the US be reduced if you followed this strategy? Here in Canada we aren't taxed on family income, only on individual income. Unfortunately, here in Canada, if one spouse is disabled it would be financially advantageous to divorce. The dollar value of available financial help is based on the total income in that marriage. If the disabled partner was considered "single", they would be eligible for the full amount of funding and services needed to support them if they could no longer work. When the working partner's income is factored in they often receive much less. I know a couple in this position. He was the main breadwinner until he became fully disabled with MS. As his needs for services and equipment increased, they have struggled financially. She works full time to pay the mortgage and all the bills necessary to run their home. Once they've covered that, what is left is not enough to keep up with this growing dependence on "equipment". However, if they divorced, he could request financial help based on his income (which comes solely from a disability pension).
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Post by xna on Aug 29, 2015 20:16:33 GMT -5
New street names Attachments:
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Post by snow on Aug 29, 2015 23:40:43 GMT -5
LOL divorce lawyers are going to be busy for awhile. I read something interesting though about what they were doing. If you registered you had to pay to get deregistered and they still kept your profile info. Also a lot of the women that registered never used the site after registering apparently so a lot of the men were getting matched up with non existent women and if they wanted to email them they had to pay a fee. Most of the time no one answered because the registrant was inactive. Real scam in all directions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 6:45:00 GMT -5
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Post by Annan on Sept 2, 2015 17:46:36 GMT -5
You need to look up the ancient pagan tradition of 'handfasting' whereby a couple would declare a binding union between themselves for a year and a day. That suit you Bert? In the handfasting ceremonies I perform, the couple declares a binding union "for as long as love shall last". I'm going to assume the phrase is left to the interpretation of the couple being handfasted.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 2, 2015 19:01:46 GMT -5
From what I remember of watching a "60 minutes" episode some decades ago, there are significant tax advantages if you divorce. Apparently, people were divorcing and continuing to live as man and wife. Wouldn't your income tax in the US be reduced if you followed this strategy? Here in Canada we aren't taxed on family income, only on individual income. Unfortunately, here in Canada, if one spouse is disabled it would be financially advantageous to divorce. The dollar value of available financial help is based on the total income in that marriage. If the disabled partner was considered "single", they would be eligible for the full amount of funding and services needed to support them if they could no longer work. When the working partner's income is factored in they often receive much less. I know a couple in this position. He was the main breadwinner until he became fully disabled with MS. As his needs for services and equipment increased, they have struggled financially. She works full time to pay the mortgage and all the bills necessary to run their home. Once they've covered that, what is left is not enough to keep up with this growing dependence on "equipment". However, if they divorced, he could request financial help based on his income (which comes solely from a disability pension). That's not just the case in Canada. I know people who divorced simply because they couldn't afford to live together, which is a rather strange complication. There is the possibility that a spouse can be given a kind of pension as compensation for providing full time care, but we all know how well one can live on what the government provides.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 2, 2015 19:04:42 GMT -5
And poor Josh Duggar just got himself slapped again. He can't win! It sounds like his poor wife, is being blamed for her husband's "need" to have affairs. Ugh. I think Josh Duggar's problem is that both he and his wife have to play the quiverfull game with each other.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 2, 2015 19:08:39 GMT -5
There are income tax advantages for a married couple in the USA. Also health insurance advantages. From what I remember of watching a "60 minutes" episode some decades ago, there are significant tax advantages if you divorce. Apparently, people were divorcing and continuing to live as man and wife. Wouldn't your income tax in the US be reduced if you followed this strategy? Here in Canada we aren't taxed on family income, only on individual income. The problem for these people isn't the taxes -- it's the way benefits are calculated in social services departments.
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Post by rational on Sept 3, 2015 14:29:53 GMT -5
The post just reminded me that we are all born into a broken world and we need someone to save us. Now I wonder who that might be. :) Sorry, I will be unable to help!
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