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Post by placid-void on Aug 2, 2015 18:34:16 GMT -5
Snow, I don't disagree with most of what you say. Generally, I think that most rational individuals understand and acknowledge the position you take, it is a pretty well trodden path. On the topic of organized religions, I think most individuals go into a defensive posture, no matter their point of view. I have often found that the strength of one's point of view is often inversely proportional to the extent they feel vulnerable to the attacks of others. I suppose that's a possibility. Are you saying the ones that have trouble with people saying there is no God are the ones who fear their faith isn't strong enough? After all, no one asks to become an atheist if they were once a theist and a devout one. It just happens so I suppose it is a bit scary that it could just happen to them someday too? I cannot really say what the motivations of others might be. I am saying that it has been my observation in a number of situations (academic, work, social, casual conversation) that folks who appear to me to be most confident in their convictions, tend to be least concerned about the barbs that others may direct toward them. This is the synthesis of many personal observations. I am not attempting to prove a fact only assess some experiences. In my mind at least, to have the courage of one's convictions is a "good" thing. But being so convicted as to not appreciate the sincerity of another point of view is a "bad" thing, in my opinion. This is why I am an Aristotelian at heart, I have found that to little conviction in my opinion tends to make me defensive, whereas, too much conviction in the wisdom of my opinion renders me arrogant. The trick for me is to always search for the 'golden mean' between these extremes.
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Post by snow on Aug 2, 2015 23:27:03 GMT -5
I suppose that's a possibility. Are you saying the ones that have trouble with people saying there is no God are the ones who fear their faith isn't strong enough? After all, no one asks to become an atheist if they were once a theist and a devout one. It just happens so I suppose it is a bit scary that it could just happen to them someday too? I cannot really say what the motivations of others might be. I am saying that it has been my observation in a number of situations (academic, work, social, casual conversation) that folks who appear to me to be most confident in their convictions, tend to be least concerned about the barbs that others may direct toward them. This is the synthesis of many personal observations. I am not attempting to prove a fact only assess some experiences. In my mind at least, to have the courage of one's convictions is a "good" thing. But being so convicted as to not appreciate the sincerity of another point of view is a "bad" thing, in my opinion. This is why I am an Aristotelian at heart, I have found that to little conviction in my opinion tends to make me defensive, whereas, too much conviction in the wisdom of my opinion renders me arrogant. The trick for me is to always search for the 'golden mean' between these extremes. Yes, the balance. Maybe it boils down to redefining religion for our modern world. Can we find a balance between heart and mind? I think the 'golden mean' is very important and sometimes very difficult to achieve.
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Post by maryhig on Aug 3, 2015 3:12:39 GMT -5
Maryhig, to the F&W it DOES matter who you profess through ! Why do you think people who have been raised in other churches have to go to missions & profess through the workers ! Why do you think they cannot just go to Sunday fellowship ? They have to go to a mission first ! MaryH can't speak to the F&W way of doing things; she isn't part of that group. Although I suppose you are just trying to let her know how that group does operate. Yes your right, I can't speak because I don't know. I'm sort of trying to piece things together. I understand bits. But i think in general I believe in many of the teachings of the f&w's. And I think Roslyn is just trying to explain to me. But I don't even know what a mission is. And could it be that when the f&w's talk about their workers, could they mean the way we think about my uncle? That he brought God to us, but we don't follow him we follow Jesus? That seems to me how I'm understanding it from the friends on here. But some others say they worship the workers. I have deep respect for my uncle, because he brought God to me. But, I didn't worship him. But I don't know the ways of any religion really. I didn't know anything about religion until I came on here so it's taking a bit for me to get my head around it all and work out what all the words and practice's mean in a religious sense. I suppose the way we believe is more simple and its to have faith and believe in God and love him and give our life to God remain humble and follow Jesus and we have our meeting. We don't have any ceremonies (like for Easter or Christmas) And we are taught that you can't just be a hearer you must be a doer and live out and deny yourself and don't get caught up in the things of the world that turn your heart from God. And we are taught to bring God to others by living it. But we have to be willing, we are also taught that there is no point in being made to do it. God wants a willing heart. And we are taught to care about everyone, whatever they believe in. ( in our meeting there are Catholics and protestants from Belfast, and from the south of Ireland so say that's saying something!) So please understand, when I say things I'm only stating how I believe, I'm not trying to be a teacher or any better than anyone. If I sound like that I'm sorry, I don't mean to. I speak on here like I speak on our meeting. This is how we are. I would love to share the things i see in God each day. (Like Virgo and his milk bottle ) but I know that we just get jumped on or people think you think to highly of yourself. And I don't, I just want to share the things of God that I see or hear with others who believe like me. But I'm starting to realise why people don't talk much on here about the things of God now. It doesn't seem to be the place for it.
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Post by bubbles on Aug 3, 2015 3:47:46 GMT -5
It's not a matter of judging them in there lives, it's a matter of knowing what a person is saying and whether it is or isn't from God. This is spiritual discernment. So in the cases that I mentioned earlier of the 2 workers that have been charged for CSA in Australia, why did it take so long for it all to come out ? After all someone should have had spiritual discernment to see that they were committing crimes ! I am sure all those that listened to them preach thought that what they spoke was from God ! Roz Someone would have discerned it. Either said nothing to the leaders or did and were disbelieved. The reason spiritual gifts are gifted to the church is so that the works of the kingdom of darkness are exposed brought to the light. If the workers were using and operating in the gifts they would have been warned. Told through gifts of revelation.
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Post by bubbles on Aug 3, 2015 3:51:56 GMT -5
I'm not talking about his soft and kind a person is, I'm talking about hearing the spirit of God. For example, when Jesus said. Those without sin, cast the first stone, I know that's from God! Jesus was speaking with wisdom. When someone I talk to says something spiritual, If I have the spirit I will know whether its from God or not. Can you hear the spirit in Jesus in the bible? I can. Which Bible Mary? The danger I see is in putting the Bible, which was written by man, above Jesus. John1:1 Jesus is the word.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 3:57:09 GMT -5
That's a Classic Quote, Bubbles!!!
Quote - "The danger I see is in putting the Bible, which was written by man, above Jesus."[/b]
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Post by Mary on Aug 3, 2015 4:04:15 GMT -5
The word mission is the same word they use for Gospel meeting, Maryhig.
They say we are going to the Mission or we are going to the Gospel meeting. It is an open meeting where the workers preach in order to try and get converts. It is a public meeting. They rent a hall for this and sometimes put cards in people's letter boxes or an advertisement in the newspaper and inviting people to come.
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Post by bubbles on Aug 3, 2015 4:07:38 GMT -5
That's a Classic Quote, Bubbles!!!
Quote - "The danger I see is in putting the Bible, which was written by man, above Jesus."[/b]
Classic meaning??? Old? Silly? Irrelevant? Do you believe John 1:1? (When maryhig stated hearing the holy spirit in the bible.) I believe she meant that the word of god inspired by the holy spirit. The word being Christ. When we are bornagain the holy spirit enters our being our spirit. He witness with us who is of the kingdom of heaven. Our spirit bears witness with another persons spirit. He will inspire us with scripture to encourage one another. He will warn us of things to come. He teachs leads and guides us into truth..etc etc etc. Christ the father and the holy spirit are in unity. Not ever disunity. Man screws everything up with legalism and arrogance. When we read scripture sometimes the verses are illuminating and powerful giving guidance help encouragement or warnings. Im trying to help you understand my thinking when I read the post prueb.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 4:12:01 GMT -5
Yeah, sure I do. Can recite it by heart. Read it in the bible.
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Post by maryhig on Aug 3, 2015 4:20:42 GMT -5
So in the cases that I mentioned earlier of the 2 workers that have been charged for CSA in Australia, why did it take so long for it all to come out ? After all someone should have had spiritual discernment to see that they were committing crimes ! I am sure all those that listened to them preach thought that what they spoke was from God ! Roz Someone would have discerned it. Either said nothing to the leaders or did and were disbelieved. The reason spiritual gifts are gifted to the church is so that the works of the kingdom of darkness are exposed brought to the light. If the workers were using and operating in the gifts they would have been warned. Told through gifts of revelation. Yes,I agree and and I believe that applies to all Gods people, me included, whether your a worker or not, God let's you know your sin if you believe. I was saying in the meeting yesterday, when you put the light on in a dark room, you don't just see the furnishings, you see the dirt as well. That's what Christ does to our hearts. He brings the good and shows us the bad within our hearts And eventually if we don't deny them, others will see them to.
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Post by maryhig on Aug 3, 2015 4:22:12 GMT -5
The word mission is the same word they use for Gospel meeting, Maryhig. They say we are going to the Mission or we are going to the Gospel meeting. It is an open meeting where the workers preach in order to try and get converts. It is a public meeting. They rent a hall for this and sometimes put cards in people's letter boxes or an advertisement in the newspaper and inviting people to come. Ah I see, thank you. We've never had one around here. Thanks for explaining this
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Post by maryhig on Aug 3, 2015 4:27:57 GMT -5
That's a Classic Quote, Bubbles!!!
Quote - "The danger I see is in putting the Bible, which was written by man, above Jesus."[/b]
Classic meaning??? Old? Silly? Irrelevant? Do you believe John 1:1? (When maryhig stated hearing the holy spirit in the bible.) I believe she meant that the word of god inspired by the holy spirit. The word being Christ. When we are bornagain the holy spirit enters our being our spirit. He witness with us who is of the kingdom of heaven. Our spirit bears witness with another persons spirit. He will inspire us with scripture to encourage one another. He will warn us of things to come. He teachs leads and guides us into truth..etc etc etc. Christ the father and the holy spirit are in unity. Not ever disunity. Man screws everything up with legalism and arrogance. When we read scripture sometimes the verses are illuminating and powerful giving guidance help encouragement or warnings. Im trying to help you understand my thinking when I read the post prueb. That's exactly what I mean
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Post by bubbles on Aug 3, 2015 4:29:05 GMT -5
Yes,I agree and and I believe that applies to all Gods people, me included, whether your a worker or not, God let's you know your sin if you believe. I was saying in the meeting yesterday, when you put the light on in a dark room, you don't just see the furnishings, you see the dirt as well. That's what Christ does to our hearts. He brings the good and shows us the bad within our hearts And eventually if we don't deny them, others will see them to. Often others see whats wrong in me before I do.. ? The point im trying to make is that Christ is Lord and King. The holy spirits work doesnt always line up with our thinking he does know what goes on and he does equip people with gifts revealing good and bad things. If a church is in denial about the relevancy of spiritual gifts then they have and will have trouble they wont want to deal with. Like CSA.
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 3, 2015 5:03:35 GMT -5
Yeah, sure I do. Can recite it by heart. Read it in the bible. Bert, it was me that said "The danger I see is people putting the Bible which is written by MAN, above Jesus. I believe you have just proved what I said with your post "Can recite it by heart. Read it in the bible.[/" Sure you maybe able to recite it by heart, but what about putting it into practice ? We don't need the Bible to believe in Jesus.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 5:23:52 GMT -5
Jesus does not exist outside of the bible. All other documents are either secondary accounts, or forgeries. People who say they believe in Jesus but not in the bible are immediately open to suspicion IMO for accepting the idea of what Jesus DID as opposed to the hard words Jesus SAID.
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Post by maryhig on Aug 3, 2015 5:55:33 GMT -5
Jesus does not exist outside of the bible. All other documents are either secondary accounts, or forgeries. People who say they believe in Jesus but not in the bible are immediately open to suspicion IMO for accepting the idea of what Jesus DID as opposed to the hard words Jesus SAID. I think the bible and Jesus go hand in hand. I believe what you say that we only need the bible and we don't need other documents and secondary accounts is right, because there's enough there to show us how to live and give us the teachings of Jesus and the bible to me anyway, is very important. As it was said in our meeting by someone yesterday. Those people in the bible gave up their lives for God. And it was written down as an account to help us and guide us and it says that the world was not worthy of them. And we don't suffer anything like they did. Starting with Jesus. And from Jesus these people have given their lives to God and the word through the spirit has been passed generation to generation down to us. So to me, the bible is very important. But so Christ in the heart. And i believe we have to take in all of the bible in, including the hard words of Jesus but I also believe that Jesus exists outside the bible too. And people still get revelation up until this day. Just as the people who wrote the bible did. Probably not always as strong but we should be receiving the Christ by the spirit direct to our hearts. Don't you think?
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Post by hberry on Aug 3, 2015 9:19:17 GMT -5
MaryH can't speak to the F&W way of doing things; she isn't part of that group. Although I suppose you are just trying to let her know how that group does operate. Yes your right, I can't speak because I don't know. I'm sort of trying to piece things together. I understand bits. But i think in general I believe in many of the teachings of the f&w's. And I think Roslyn is just trying to explain to me. But I don't even know what a mission is. And could it be that when the f&w's talk about their workers, could they mean the way we think about my uncle? That he brought God to us, but we don't follow him we follow Jesus? That seems to me how I'm understanding it from the friends on here. But some others say they worship the workers. I have deep respect for my uncle, because he brought God to me. But, I didn't worship him. But I don't know the ways of any religion really. I didn't know anything about religion until I came on here so it's taking a bit for me to get my head around it all and work out what all the words and practice's mean in a religious sense. I suppose the way we believe is more simple and its to have faith and believe in God and love him and give our life to God remain humble and follow Jesus and we have our meeting. We don't have any ceremonies (like for Easter or Christmas) And we are taught that you can't just be a hearer you must be a doer and live out and deny yourself and don't get caught up in the things of the world that turn your heart from God. And we are taught to bring God to others by living it. But we have to be willing, we are also taught that there is no point in being made to do it. God wants a willing heart. And we are taught to care about everyone, whatever they believe in. ( in our meeting there are Catholics and protestants from Belfast, and from the south of Ireland so say that's saying something!) So please understand, when I say things I'm only stating how I believe, I'm not trying to be a teacher or any better than anyone. If I sound like that I'm sorry, I don't mean to. I speak on here like I speak on our meeting. This is how we are. I would love to share the things i see in God each day. (Like Virgo and his milk bottle ) but I know that we just get jumped on or people think you think to highly of yourself. And I don't, I just want to share the things of God that I see or hear with others who believe like me. But I'm starting to realise why people don't talk much on here about the things of God now. It doesn't seem to be the place for it. The only reason for my comment was that it struck me that asking you why the F&Ws do anything wasn't something you could answer since you weren't in that group, but I didn't mean to imply that you sounded like you were trying to "teach" or hold yourself up as an authority. You clearly aren't. And I don't think this board is so much about discussing our beliefs in God as much as defending our respective POV regarding the fellowship. Or so it seems.
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Post by maryhig on Aug 3, 2015 10:12:43 GMT -5
Yes your right, I can't speak because I don't know. I'm sort of trying to piece things together. I understand bits. But i think in general I believe in many of the teachings of the f&w's. And I think Roslyn is just trying to explain to me. But I don't even know what a mission is. And could it be that when the f&w's talk about their workers, could they mean the way we think about my uncle? That he brought God to us, but we don't follow him we follow Jesus? That seems to me how I'm understanding it from the friends on here. But some others say they worship the workers. I have deep respect for my uncle, because he brought God to me. But, I didn't worship him. But I don't know the ways of any religion really. I didn't know anything about religion until I came on here so it's taking a bit for me to get my head around it all and work out what all the words and practice's mean in a religious sense. I suppose the way we believe is more simple and its to have faith and believe in God and love him and give our life to God remain humble and follow Jesus and we have our meeting. We don't have any ceremonies (like for Easter or Christmas) And we are taught that you can't just be a hearer you must be a doer and live out and deny yourself and don't get caught up in the things of the world that turn your heart from God. And we are taught to bring God to others by living it. But we have to be willing, we are also taught that there is no point in being made to do it. God wants a willing heart. And we are taught to care about everyone, whatever they believe in. ( in our meeting there are Catholics and protestants from Belfast, and from the south of Ireland so say that's saying something!) So please understand, when I say things I'm only stating how I believe, I'm not trying to be a teacher or any better than anyone. If I sound like that I'm sorry, I don't mean to. I speak on here like I speak on our meeting. This is how we are. I would love to share the things i see in God each day. (Like Virgo and his milk bottle ) but I know that we just get jumped on or people think you think to highly of yourself. And I don't, I just want to share the things of God that I see or hear with others who believe like me. But I'm starting to realise why people don't talk much on here about the things of God now. It doesn't seem to be the place for it. The only reason for my comment was that it struck me that asking you why the F&Ws do anything wasn't something you could answer since you weren't in that group, but I didn't mean to imply that you sounded like you were trying to "teach" or hold yourself up as an authority. You clearly aren't. And I don't think this board is so much about discussing our beliefs in God as much as defending our respective POV regarding the fellowship. Ot so it seems. Oh I'm so sorry, I really need to think what I'm writing, I didn't mean you! I know you wouldn't say that. That's you and snow now that have thought I referred to each of you in different posts. And I didn't mean either of you it was just something that has been said about me, so I'm trying to be careful what I write, but I really didn't mean you. So I know it's me that's wrong, and I'll have think how I word things. Sorry again Although, it is nice to talk about God sometimes don't you think?
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Post by hberry on Aug 3, 2015 10:20:06 GMT -5
The only reason for my comment was that it struck me that asking you why the F&Ws do anything wasn't something you could answer since you weren't in that group, but I didn't mean to imply that you sounded like you were trying to "teach" or hold yourself up as an authority. You clearly aren't. And I don't think this board is so much about discussing our beliefs in God as much as defending our respective POV regarding the fellowship. Ot so it seems. Oh I'm so sorry, I really need to think what I'm writing, I didn't mean you! I know you wouldn't say that. That's you and snow now that have thought I referred to each of you in different posts. And I didn't mean either of you it was just something that has been said about me, so I'm trying to be careful what I write, but I really didn't mean you. So I know it's me that's wrong, and I'll have think how I word things. Sorry again Although, it is nice to talk about God sometimes don't you think? Not to worry MaryH, I didn't think you were talking about me, I just wanted to reassure you that you don't come across as trying to be a teacher--you just come across as someone who is trying to make clear what you believe. No apologies needed! And yes, I enjoying talking about God. As the psalmist wrote: "I will greatly praise the LORD with my mouth; yea, I will praise him among the multitude."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 10:35:46 GMT -5
Either people believe in the bible, or they don't believe in the bible. You can't make someone believe in it, if they choose to not believe in it. Those who do believe in it receive a lot of peace from the scriptures. There are websites out there which try to disprove the bible, showing apparent contradictions. I'm not sure why people attempt to destroy another person's faith in something they hold dear. But, to each his own. I also find it interesting that those who think of believers as superstitious, uneducated, uninformed and on and on generally think themselves very wise and educated. Those who believe in the bible aren't persuaded by the education of the unbelievers. Believers don't need proof. They just need faith. They have an anchor to hold onto in the storm of life, and have a hope of something better than the here and now. No one has to prove the bible to another. I find it a desperate act on the part of unbelievers when they attempt to destroy the faith of a Christian (whether that Christian be a 2x2, or whatever). We may bicker about scripture on this website (between 2x2s and other Christians), but we all at least have a hope that others don't have. If the bible cannot stand up to close scrutiny shouldn't that at least raise a question or two? As far as having hope, how do you know what hopes others have? Members of religions all have hope based on what are often contradicting beliefs. This means that some number of them have false hope. The gift of false hope is not really a gift at all. I think the bible does hold up to close scrutiny. I also did not say that others of different religions have no hope. Where did I say other religions don't hold some sort of hope in their heart? We were talking about the bible, not non-Christian faiths.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 10:39:30 GMT -5
I'm not sure why people attempt to destroy another person's faith in something they hold dear. But, to each his own. I also find it interesting that those who think of believers as superstitious, uneducated, uninformed and on and on generally think themselves very wise and educated. I'm with you on this. It really bugs me that Christian missionaries go into the territories of indigenous peoples and try to destroy their faith and belief in their gods. The missionaries often think the indigenous peoples are superstitious, uneducated and uninformed and try to destroy their belief and faith in their gods. The missionaries generally think themselves very wise and educated. It's just not on. Here's just one example. uk.ntm.org I find their arrogance offensive. These people have their own gods and their own religious teachings which are every bit as good as the Christian God and the Holy Bible. Indeed some of their creation stories are a lot more believable than the creation story in the bible. I mean that stuff about Adam's rib is so far fetched you wonder why anyone believes it. Stick with your own God I say and leave other people to theirs. I find most gods are equally useless anyway. I mean if you have your arm severed in a fight, no god has the power to be able to grow it back. Matt10 I knew this one would come up. The difference is this: Christian missionaries generally (not always) bring education, health care, food programs, orphanages, etc. along with their evangelism. They generally do not withhold these things from people, even if they are not believers. Yes, they evangelize. But they certainly are not unique with evangelism. There are all sorts of religions that evangelize. Freedom of religion/freedom of thought/freedom of association. No one if forced to believe in Christianity this day and age.. People have the freedom to listen, and then they can make up their minds whether they believe or not. In the meantime, a lot of physical good is done in the name of Christianity.
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Post by rational on Aug 3, 2015 12:03:15 GMT -5
I think the bible does hold up to close scrutiny. It is a fine text but like other texts it contains errors, contradictions, and misinformation. Well, when I read the following you posted: We may bicker about scripture on this website (between 2x2s and other Christians), but we all at least have a hope that others don't have. I was not aware that hope differed for people of different beliefs. I was looking at a generic common definition: hope - a feeling of expectation and desire for a certain thing to happen.Are we? Perhaps this would be acceptable: Members of religions denominations all have hope based on what are often contradicting beliefs. This means that some number of them have false hope. The gift of false hope is not really a gift at all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 13:24:36 GMT -5
I'm with you on this. It really bugs me that Christian missionaries go into the territories of indigenous peoples and try to destroy their faith and belief in their gods. The missionaries often think the indigenous peoples are superstitious, uneducated and uninformed and try to destroy their belief and faith in their gods. The missionaries generally think themselves very wise and educated. It's just not on. Here's just one example. uk.ntm.org I find their arrogance offensive. These people have their own gods and their own religious teachings which are every bit as good as the Christian God and the Holy Bible. Indeed some of their creation stories are a lot more believable than the creation story in the bible. I mean that stuff about Adam's rib is so far fetched you wonder why anyone believes it. Stick with your own God I say and leave other people to theirs. I find most gods are equally useless anyway. I mean if you have your arm severed in a fight, no god has the power to be able to grow it back. Matt10 I knew this one would come up. The difference is this: Christian missionaries generally (not always) bring education, health care, food programs, orphanages, etc. along with their evangelism. They generally do not withhold these things from people, even if they are not believers. Yes, they evangelize. But they certainly are not unique with evangelism. There are all sorts of religions that evangelize. Freedom of religion/freedom of thought/freedom of association. No one if forced to believe in Christianity this day and age.. People have the freedom to listen, and then they can make up their minds whether they believe or not. In the meantime, a lot of physical good is done in the name of Christianity.
I'm lost here. It's perfectly ok to attempt to destroy the faith of another providing you bring along some food? I was sure you were saying entirely the opposite last time out. Matt10
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 13:57:05 GMT -5
I think the bible does hold up to close scrutiny. It is a fine text but like other texts it contains errors, contradictions, and misinformation.Well, when I read the following you posted: We may bicker about scripture on this website (between 2x2s and other Christians), but we all at least have a hope that others don't have. I was not aware that hope differed for people of different beliefs. I was looking at a generic common definition: hope - a feeling of expectation and desire for a certain thing to happen.Are we? Perhaps this would be acceptable: Members of religions denominations all have hope based on what are often contradicting beliefs. This means that some number of them have false hope. The gift of false hope is not really a gift at all.I don't think it is possible to have false hope. There is hope and there is no hope. Perhaps this is better? Members of denominations all have hope based on what are often contradicting beliefs. This means that some number of them have no hope. The gift of no hope is not really a gift at all.Matt10
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Post by rational on Aug 3, 2015 14:04:52 GMT -5
I knew this one would come up. The difference is this: Christian missionaries generally (not always) bring education, health care, food programs, orphanages, etc. along with their evangelism. What missionaries di not follow this path?Or, as was the case last year in Central African Republic, 10s of thousands of Muslims had to flee the christians and go to Chad. Imagine how bad things had to be to feel Chad was a better choice for their families.Faith-based charities provide for many. Do you feel that good is not done in the name of other religions/gods?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 15:34:38 GMT -5
I knew this one would come up. The difference is this: Christian missionaries generally (not always) bring education, health care, food programs, orphanages, etc. along with their evangelism. They generally do not withhold these things from people, even if they are not believers. Yes, they evangelize. But they certainly are not unique with evangelism. There are all sorts of religions that evangelize. Freedom of religion/freedom of thought/freedom of association. No one if forced to believe in Christianity this day and age.. People have the freedom to listen, and then they can make up their minds whether they believe or not. In the meantime, a lot of physical good is done in the name of Christianity.
I'm lost here. It's perfectly ok to attempt to destroy the faith of another providing you bring along some food? I was sure you were saying entirely the opposite last time out. Matt10 I don't think that's what I implied, nor what I said.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 15:36:18 GMT -5
I knew this one would come up. The difference is this: Christian missionaries generally (not always) bring education, health care, food programs, orphanages, etc. along with their evangelism. What missionaries di not follow this path?Or, as was the case last year in Central African Republic, 10s of thousands of Muslims had to flee the christians and go to Chad. Imagine how bad things had to be to feel Chad was a better choice for their families.Faith-based charities provide for many. Do you feel that good is not done in the name of other religions/gods? I didn't say that faith-based charities are not performed by other religions. I also never said that atrocities have not (and still may be) performed in the name of Christ.
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Post by rational on Aug 3, 2015 16:17:32 GMT -5
I'm lost here. It's perfectly ok to attempt to destroy the faith of another providing you bring along some food? I was sure you were saying entirely the opposite last time out. Matt10 I don't think that's what I implied, nor what I said. Perhaps '...attempt to destroy the culture of others...' would have been more accurate than ' ...attempt to destroy the faith of another'. Consider what happened in Timor Leste. The bulk of the aid was from christian sources and when food and material supplies are tied to a religion people will often abandon their cultural beliefs.
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