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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 31, 2015 23:52:35 GMT -5
From another thread :
Is the Bible Inerrant?
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 1, 2015 0:06:12 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 0:18:18 GMT -5
I think you will find that if you follow/believe Jesus and what he said and did the bible will be inerrant to you. the link you've given kinda contradicts itself at least once...
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Post by maryhig on Aug 1, 2015 0:40:16 GMT -5
I also believe like Wally, and I believe that the spirit of God teaches you right from wrong too. Because God is a living God. Not a dead idol! And the bible has everything there that God wants. And there is enough in it to teach us how to live before God! And Jesus came and showed us the way, the truth and the life! And Gods true people know that Jesus' way is the only true way, to bring us back to the father.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 1:14:20 GMT -5
the Bible and it's contents will only become alive to those who posses the spirit of Christ, other wise it is a dead book, as simple as that
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 1, 2015 1:22:21 GMT -5
the Bible and it's contents will only become alive to those who posses the spirit of Christ, other wise it is a dead book, as simple as that The Bible is a book that was written by men, not God ! How many times have we heard what you just quoted Virgo ! The next question would be who are we as humans to say who possesses the Spirit Of God ? We don't know what the relationship is between a person and God.
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 1, 2015 1:24:15 GMT -5
I think you will find that if you follow/believe Jesus and what he said and did the bible will be inerrant to you. the link you've given kinda contradicts itself at least once... Which Bible, Wally ? Does that mean that people who died before the Bible was written are lost ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 1:34:29 GMT -5
the Bible and it's contents will only become alive to those who posses the spirit of Christ, other wise it is a dead book, as simple as that The Bible is a book that was written by men, not God ! How many times have we heard what you just quoted Virgo ! The next question would be who are we as humans to say who possesses the Spirit Of God ? We don't know what the relationship is between a person and God. no matter how many times you will be told unless you have the spirit of Christ that book will have no meaning to you yes we can discern who has the spirit of Christ within, and we can discern who has a relationship with God, it can be discerned by those who have that spirit those who don't have that spirit cannot discern anything above their own human state
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 1:38:27 GMT -5
I think you will find that if you follow/believe Jesus and what he said and did the bible will be inerrant to you. the link you've given kinda contradicts itself at least once... Which Bible, Wally ? Does that mean that people who died before the Bible was written are lost ? what about all those who were mentioned and thousands more mentioned by Jesus and the Apostles? they were not lost before the Bible was written, not to mention lets say the people of Nineveh not to mention a few
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 1, 2015 1:45:44 GMT -5
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 1, 2015 1:46:58 GMT -5
The Bible is a book that was written by men, not God ! How many times have we heard what you just quoted Virgo ! The next question would be who are we as humans to say who possesses the Spirit Of God ? We don't know what the relationship is between a person and God. no matter how many times you will be told unless you have the spirit of Christ that book will have no meaning to you yes we can discern who has the spirit of Christ within, and we can discern who has a relationship with God, it can be discerned by those who have that spirit those who don't have that spirit cannot discern anything above their own human state Sorry Virgo, I disagree ! We are human not God ! We cannot discern who has a relationship with God ! Just a thought, how do you discern/judge anothers relationship with God ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 2:47:25 GMT -5
no matter how many times you will be told unless you have the spirit of Christ that book will have no meaning to you yes we can discern who has the spirit of Christ within, and we can discern who has a relationship with God, it can be discerned by those who have that spirit those who don't have that spirit cannot discern anything above their own human state Sorry Virgo, I disagree ! We are human not God ! We cannot discern who has a relationship with God ! Just a thought, how do you discern/judge anothers relationship with God ? you may disagree and you cannot discern who has a relationship with God because one has to have the same spirit to see that buy the indwelling of the Holy Spirit
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Post by maryhig on Aug 1, 2015 3:06:03 GMT -5
the Bible and it's contents will only become alive to those who posses the spirit of Christ, other wise it is a dead book, as simple as that The Bible is a book that was written by men, not God ! How many times have we heard what you just quoted Virgo ! The next question would be who are we as humans to say who possesses the Spirit Of God ? We don't know what the relationship is between a person and God. Yes your right, to say that, but if you have the spirit, you will hear the spirit in others. But also who are others to say people don't have the spirit and have no proof God exists, when some people have had proof in their own lives, instead of insisting that there isn't a God, when we know there is? Because they haven't experienced him, doesn't mean that he isn't there! You get to understand God through progressive revelation. It's not all given at once it's given through Christ by the spirit. You won't understand the bible with a man's mind, you just have to read Ezekiel and revelation to see that. God has to open your understanding. And he does that gradually. So as much as your willing to give your life to to him, the more revelation he gives you and the stronger you become in the spirit. And you leave the world behind. As Jesus said, he who has ears to hear, let him hear. The more you lose the more you gain!
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Post by maryhig on Aug 1, 2015 3:15:29 GMT -5
no matter how many times you will be told unless you have the spirit of Christ that book will have no meaning to you yes we can discern who has the spirit of Christ within, and we can discern who has a relationship with God, it can be discerned by those who have that spirit those who don't have that spirit cannot discern anything above their own human state Sorry Virgo, I disagree ! We are human not God ! We cannot discern who has a relationship with God ! Just a thought, how do you discern/judge anothers relationship with God ? You'll be able to tell by their life, and their voice. They will be living it, they will be denying the world and flesh, and loving their neighbour and most importantly, putting God first in their lives. And you will know if they are doing this, by their lives. Because they will be following Jesus. They will be humble, full of love for others, take hurt and show love. Through their mouths they will praise God and speak the word of God when approached. And if you also have the spirit, you'll know the true spirit in the heart of another when you hear it. Matt 7 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 1, 2015 3:44:28 GMT -5
Sorry Virgo, I disagree ! We are human not God ! We cannot discern who has a relationship with God ! Just a thought, how do you discern/judge anothers relationship with God ? you may disagree and you cannot discern who has a relationship with God because one has to have the same spirit to see that buy the indwelling of the Holy Spirit To my way of thinking I would call this Judging another by your own understanding, we can look on a person's life, but as humans all we see is the outward things, we DO NOT know what another relationship is with God. Its very easy to appear right on the outside, but it is God & God along who knows the heart.
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Post by Roselyn T on Aug 1, 2015 3:52:06 GMT -5
Sorry Virgo, I disagree ! We are human not God ! We cannot discern who has a relationship with God ! Just a thought, how do you discern/judge anothers relationship with God ? you may disagree and you cannot discern who has a relationship with God because one has to have the same spirit to see that buy the indwelling of the Holy Spirit Virgo are you saying that you "personally can tell if another person has a relationship with God ? If so how? Explain what you see as the indwelling of the Holy Spirit?
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Post by maryhig on Aug 1, 2015 6:04:07 GMT -5
you may disagree and you cannot discern who has a relationship with God because one has to have the same spirit to see that buy the indwelling of the Holy Spirit To my way of thinking I would call this Judging another by your own understanding, we can look on a person's life, but as humans all we see is the outward things, we DO NOT know what another relationship is with God. Its very easy to appear right on the outside, but it is God & God along who knows the heart. Can I ask you if you believe in God? if yes, do you believe that Jesus had the spirit of God in his heart? If no, you don't believe in God or you don't know if God exists, what do you think of Jesus when you read the gospels? If you don't want to answer then that's fine I'm just curious. P's I think you do believe, if you say God judges the heart, and your right on that, I definitely believe that too!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 11:16:13 GMT -5
I think you will find that if you follow/believe Jesus and what he said and did the bible will be inerrant to you. the link you've given kinda contradicts itself at least once... Which Bible, Wally ? Does that mean that people who died before the Bible was written are lost ? people had the individual books circulating through the kingdom of God before the bible was assembled as we now know it plus they had the old testament. so no they weren't lost...
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Post by xna on Aug 1, 2015 11:25:01 GMT -5
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Post by rational on Aug 1, 2015 11:29:28 GMT -5
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Post by snow on Aug 1, 2015 11:45:49 GMT -5
I would like to know just what all those who are saying they have the spirit are different from those they say do not have the spirit? What do you do that is different from what I do or others here who you believe don't have the spirit?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 11:52:54 GMT -5
one stuck out that was answered by Nathan in another post...Christ when he was resurrected did in fact come back before everyone died in that generation he wasn't speaking of the 1000 year reign he was speaking of his resurrection...
Mat_16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Luk_9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 11:55:08 GMT -5
I would like to know just what all those who are saying they have the spirit are different from those they say do not have the spirit? What do you do that is different from what I do or others here who you believe don't have the spirit? we believe in Jesus, all is in vain if its not done with Jesus....
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Post by rational on Aug 1, 2015 11:57:45 GMT -5
one stuck out that was answered by Nathan in another post...Christ when he was resurrected did in fact come back before everyone died in that generation he wasn't speaking of the 1000 year reign he was speaking of his resurrection...
Mat_16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Luk_9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
Free-form interpretation of the bible can provide an explanation that will satisfy many.
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Post by snow on Aug 1, 2015 12:31:36 GMT -5
I would like to know just what all those who are saying they have the spirit are different from those they say do not have the spirit? What do you do that is different from what I do or others here who you believe don't have the spirit? we believe in Jesus, all is in vain if its not done with Jesus.... So you are better than others because you believe in Jesus and others might have other beliefs? That is an opinion based on an ancient book that is so full of contradictions even those who do believe in Jesus can't get on the same track. Islam believe that you Christians are wrong and as long as you don't believe in Allah everything you do is for nothing too. Don't you see the irony of all these judgments? Why would a non believer doing good be any less important than a Jesus believer doing good? Really?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 15:21:54 GMT -5
we believe in Jesus, all is in vain if its not done with Jesus.... So you are better than others because you believe in Jesus and others might have other beliefs? That is an opinion based on an ancient book that is so full of contradictions even those who do believe in Jesus can't get on the same track. Islam believe that you Christians are wrong and as long as you don't believe in Allah everything you do is for nothing too. Don't you see the irony of all these judgments? Why would a non believer doing good be any less important than a Jesus believer doing good? Really? I guess we'll find out on judgment day wont we. we have a better way not a better people...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 17:16:16 GMT -5
you may disagree and you cannot discern who has a relationship with God because one has to have the same spirit to see that buy the indwelling of the Holy Spirit To my way of thinking I would call this Judging another by your own understanding, we can look on a person's life, but as humans all we see is the outward things, we DO NOT know what another relationship is with God. Its very easy to appear right on the outside, but it is God & God along who knows the heart. and that's your way of thinking, is it Gods way of thinking? you may call it Judging another by your own understanding but it's not , it is discerning with the spirit of God within, something you seem not to understand if you can't see what an others relationship with God is how shall we know them by their fruits? how will we see their light? every human being to some degree puts on a front of some sort, none are perfect do you believe God puts His spirit within a human being?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 17:21:48 GMT -5
you may disagree and you cannot discern who has a relationship with God because one has to have the same spirit to see that buy the indwelling of the Holy Spirit Virgo are you saying that you "personally can tell if another person has a relationship with God ? If so how? Explain what you see as the indwelling of the Holy Spirit? yes by the spirit that God has put within and what agrees with that spirit by the spirit when most all that one wants to do, say or think is of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit/God/Christ becomes their lives
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