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Post by timber on Jul 24, 2015 20:02:43 GMT -5
Ok - so I've just read a letter addressed to all friends in the area regarding the upcoming conventions in New England and New York. The main thought - asking people not to speak too long when giving testimonies so that others will have a chance to express their thoughts and so that the visiting male worker designated to speak will have at least 30 - preferably 45 minutes to express his thoughts. The letter was careful to note that the friends testimonies are indeed important - as important as any of the workers messages. But one needs to consider that there is only so much time for all to speak and on and on and on.. Ok. I need to keep this in mind - be brief, be brief, be brief. Here are some of my concerns and battles that I've had over the past year between conventions. -My children are being pulled in all sorts of directions - most away from Christianity and into secularism -the proliferation of porn on the internet that encourages cheating,etc - anything to create divorce and broken marriages. -the increasing attacks and persecution of Christians around the world -that I don't think I can make it - that I need HELP! -how do I live as a Christian in this world -how do I interpret the Word of God correctly and more.. and I get a letter about keeping testimonies brief?
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Post by Mary on Jul 24, 2015 20:12:29 GMT -5
Visiting worker, maybe our visiting worker who visits this board frequently. They stole our worker.
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Post by timber on Jul 24, 2015 20:19:29 GMT -5
Not sure what you mean Mary. Sorry... Ack - what am I doing posting on this forum anyway. Please excuse me.
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Post by slowtosee on Jul 24, 2015 20:24:39 GMT -5
Don't worry, timber. Good you post. Thanks. Alvin
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 20:24:57 GMT -5
Review 005? He disappeared when I mentioned what he spoke at Ronan Montana convention!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 20:26:56 GMT -5
Main convention speaker wants up to the convention platform and says "after we sing this hymn there will be a time of testimonies". "Please raise your voices and speak into the microphone". "Please be brief and no more than 5 or 6 stand at a time".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 20:26:57 GMT -5
Timber. When it comes to the Internet ... use it for news, mail, banking and shopping. Don't use it for religion. You have good reading material enough for religious inspiration in your bible. And your bible covers EVERYTHING you need to know.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 20:31:09 GMT -5
Review 005? He disappeared when I mentioned what he spoke at Ronan Montana convention! Yes, I suppose that's one way you can silence someone.
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Post by Mary on Jul 24, 2015 20:36:14 GMT -5
1. Bert, lead by example!!
2. Are you a person who practices what you preach?
3. .....but where would we be without you Bert?
4. Already the thread has derailed and I am partly to blame.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 20:40:46 GMT -5
Ok - so I've just read a letter addressed to all friends in the area regarding the upcoming conventions in New England and New York. The main thought - asking people not to speak too long when giving testimonies so that others will have a chance to express their thoughts and so that the visiting male worker designated to speak will have at least 30 - preferably 45 minutes to express his thoughts. The letter was careful to note that the friends testimonies are indeed important - as important as any of the workers messages. But one needs to consider that there is only so much time for all to speak and on and on and on.. Ok. I need to keep this in mind - be brief, be brief, be brief. Here are some of my concerns and battles that I've had over the past year between conventions. -My children are being pulled in all sorts of directions - most away from Christianity and into secularism -the proliferation of porn on the internet that encourages cheating,etc - anything to create divorce and broken marriages. -the increasing attacks and persecution of Christians around the world -that I don't think I can make it - that I need HELP! -how do I live as a Christian in this world -how do I interpret the Word of God correctly and more.. and I get a letter about keeping testimonies brief? whatever you do keep praying and pray for revelation and discernment on what to do....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 20:46:04 GMT -5
Barry is a bit old schooled in his approach. Sort of like Charles Steffen. They like to go strong to the microphone about stuff like speaking too long or making noise in the convention dorms. BB won't warn folks about the possibility of CSA on the grounds though.
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Post by learning on Jul 24, 2015 20:46:34 GMT -5
Ok - so I've just read a letter addressed to all friends in the area regarding the upcoming conventions in New England and New York. The main thought - asking people not to speak too long when giving testimonies so that others will have a chance to express their thoughts and so that the visiting male worker designated to speak will have at least 30 - preferably 45 minutes to express his thoughts. The letter was careful to note that the friends testimonies are indeed important - as important as any of the workers messages. But one needs to consider that there is only so much time for all to speak and on and on and on.. Ok. I need to keep this in mind - be brief, be brief, be brief. Here are some of my concerns and battles that I've had over the past year between conventions. -My children are being pulled in all sorts of directions - most away from Christianity and into secularism -the proliferation of porn on the internet that encourages cheating,etc - anything to create divorce and broken marriages. -the increasing attacks and persecution of Christians around the world -that I don't think I can make it - that I need HELP! -how do I live as a Christian in this world -how do I interpret the Word of God correctly and more.. and I get a letter about keeping testimonies brief? I haven't seen that letter yet. But I totally get what you're saying and feeling. Just in recent days reading Paul's letters I see how he addresses "issues" of his current day by letter with believers in what I presume to be an open (as long as someone could read and have access to Paul's letters) and straightforward/understandable manner that would apply to their everyday life and interactions with believers and non-believers. Some of my colleagues at work attend a church that take very clear positions on contemporary issues and they teach their members to do the same. I cannot recall the last time our ministry clarified a position on contemporary issues publicly (from the 'platform', so to speak). There are of course reasons why they don't... I'm not really comfortable with either approach because in practice ultimately neither approach truly affords us much latitude for the spirit to work in us and to express ourselves individually on such topics. I do sometimes find myself feeling un-anchored by the lack of clarity on contemporary issues. But as you say, we do know to not speak long at convention! (which I agree with, IMHO...)
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Post by learning on Jul 24, 2015 20:48:58 GMT -5
Barry is a bit old schooled in his approach. Sort of like Charles Steffen. They like to go strong to the microphone about stuff like speaking too long or making noise in the convention dorms. BB won't warn folks about the possibility of CSA on the grounds though. Not true. BB has warned me about a situation he knew was upcoming in my life where CSA was related.
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Post by Mary on Jul 24, 2015 20:56:56 GMT -5
and more.. and I get a letter about keeping testimonies brief? Wally wrote: whatever you do keep praying and pray for revelation and discernment on what to do.... Seems as if there is no limit on praying though. Keep praying but keep testimonies brief.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 21:02:36 GMT -5
hi Timber welcome to the TMB gets vicious here... watch it.
One Worker, in reference to speaking in the meeting said that we can "take advantage of others" if we speak too long.
I have attended many churches over the years. Many take positions on issues. Some even interrupt their service to talk about these issues - catapulting your thinking right back outside of that church. Even the JW and Mormons do it.
It's enough to read scripture and to know the spirit working in you as to what God would think of current issues. I read in yesterday's slate on-line magazine about the new trend of some women to dye their pubic hairs different colors, and show them off by not wearing panties. We don't have a "policy" on this, but if you don't know where we would stand on this then maybe you shouldn't be in the church.
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Post by emy on Jul 24, 2015 21:37:27 GMT -5
hi Learning welcome to the TMB gets vicious here... watch it.
One Worker, in reference to speaking in the meeting said that we can "take advantage of others" if we speak too long.
I have attended many churches over the years. Many take positions on issues. Some even interrupt their service to talk about these issues - catapulting your thinking right back outside of that church. Even the JW and Mormons do it.
It's enough to read scripture and to know the spirit working in you as to what God would think of current issues. ... If you had stopped there I could have tagged you "like." About testimony length.. has anyone ever estimated how many people might plan to give their testimony at convention? Then calculate how many minutes are given to that part of the meeting. Divide the minutes by the number of people. Hmmm.... be MORE than brief. Timber, what could be said in a pre-convention letter about the topics you mentioned? Why would you expect to be given direction in those matters? Direction IS available, especially in private prayer and guidance from the Holy Spirit. IF you attend convention, the Spirit may even help the message given by a speaker which would give answers to you. A couple of your questions lead me to believe that you want MORE direction from the workers, while many are saying they would like to see less.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 24, 2015 21:43:48 GMT -5
Timber. When it comes to the Internet ... use it for news, mail, banking and shopping. Don't use it for religion. You have good reading material enough for religious inspiration in your bible. And your bible covers EVERYTHING you need to know. Then why do you keep posting here, Bert?
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Post by learning on Jul 24, 2015 22:38:48 GMT -5
hi Learning welcome to the TMB gets vicious here... watch it.
One Worker, in reference to speaking in the meeting said that we can "take advantage of others" if we speak too long.
I have attended many churches over the years. Many take positions on issues. Some even interrupt their service to talk about these issues - catapulting your thinking right back outside of that church. Even the JW and Mormons do it.
It's enough to read scripture and to know the spirit working in you as to what God would think of current issues. I read in yesterday's slate on-line magazine about the new trend of some women to dye their pubic hairs different colors, and show them off by not wearing panties. We don't have a "policy" on this, but if you don't know where we would stand on this then maybe you shouldn't be in the church. rationalize the merits of someone's moral compass resulting fellowship 'membership' qualifications however you choose to.. but remember, this poster "timber" is a live fish on the line and has concerns that need addressing. Some people simply need to hear clarification on topics in order to adopt them as beliefs. Not all are guided by the spirit only/first to conclusions! And some of us need to hear clarification on topics to determine if, as you put it, we should "be in the church"! In either case, some vocalization on contemporary topics is valuable.
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Post by bubbles on Jul 24, 2015 23:00:31 GMT -5
Visiting worker, maybe our visiting worker who visits this board frequently. They stole our worker. Or the other one.
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Post by bubbles on Jul 24, 2015 23:07:31 GMT -5
Ok - so I've just read a letter addressed to all friends in the area regarding the upcoming conventions in New England and New York. The main thought - asking people not to speak too long when giving testimonies so that others will have a chance to express their thoughts and so that the visiting male worker designated to speak will have at least 30 - preferably 45 minutes to express his thoughts. The letter was careful to note that the friends testimonies are indeed important - as important as any of the workers messages. But one needs to consider that there is only so much time for all to speak and on and on and on.. Ok. I need to keep this in mind - be brief, be brief, be brief. Here are some of my concerns and battles that I've had over the past year between conventions. -My children are being pulled in all sorts of directions - most away from Christianity and into secularism -the proliferation of porn on the internet that encourages cheating,etc - anything to create divorce and broken marriages. -the increasing attacks and persecution of Christians around the world -that I don't think I can make it - that I need HELP! -how do I live as a Christian in this world -how do I interpret the Word of God correctly and more.. and I get a letter about keeping testimonies brief? This might throw the cat among the pigeons. When we sit and listen to anyone preach we are giving them the right to speak into our lives. 20 mins preaching is enough for our brain to recieve and digest the information. 30 mins is too long. 45 min or an hr unless yij are powerfully anointed is way to much information. I didnt say this my mentors did. What about time for ministry of the holy spirit?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 24, 2015 23:26:51 GMT -5
It's enough to read scripture and to know the spirit working in you as to what God would think of current issues. I read in yesterday's slate on-line magazine about the new trend of some women to dye their pubic hairs different colors, and show them off by not wearing panties.
We don't have a "policy" on this, but if you don't know where we would stand on this then maybe you shouldn't be in the church. Bert, -are you married?
Do you have any sex life other than the stuff that you read & see on TV or the internet?
Is voyeurism your only sexual outlet?
Of course I don't expect you to answer since you won't even answer what the workers told you about the early workers in Ireland.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 1:52:54 GMT -5
It's enough to read scripture and to know the spirit working in you as to what God would think of current issues. I read in yesterday's slate on-line magazine about the new trend of some women to dye their pubic hairs different colors, and show them off by not wearing panties.
We don't have a "policy" on this, but if you don't know where we would stand on this then maybe you shouldn't be in the church. Bert, -are you married?
Do you have any sex life other than the stuff that you read & see on TV or the internet?
Is voyeurism your only sexual outlet?
Of course I don't expect you to answer since you won't even answer what the workers told you about the early workers in Ireland.
No this is nothing to do with my "sex life" I read Slate.com and lots of these issues come up. Slate, which was established by Microsoft is now owned by the New York Times I believe. It's just a nice, family friendly, extremely interesting semi-academic on-line newspaper. Just a tad leftish, but...
www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2015/07/dyed_pubic_hair_armpits_and_beards_why_do_people_add_color_to_their_body.html
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 1:59:39 GMT -5
Quote - "but remember, this poster "timber" is a live fish on the line and has concerns that need addressing. Some people simply need to hear clarification on topics in order to adopt them as beliefs. Not all are guided by the spirit only/first to conclusions!" Sorry, it's "Timber," not "Learning."
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 25, 2015 2:07:03 GMT -5
Bert, -are you married?
Do you have any sex life other than the stuff that you read & see on TV or the internet?
Is voyeurism your only sexual outlet?
Of course I don't expect you to answer since you won't even answer what the workers told you about the early workers in Ireland.
No this is nothing to do with my "sex life" I read Slate.com and lots of these issues come up. Slate, which was established by Microsoft is now owned by the New York Times I believe. It's just a nice, family friendly, extremely interesting semi-academic on-line newspaper. Just a tad leftish, but...
www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2015/07/dyed_pubic_hair_armpits_and_beards_why_do_people_add_color_to_their_body.html "This is nothing to do with my "sex life"
Really?? Well, I still can't help but wonder!
You seem to note & post more about sex then anyone else here on TMB!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 2:17:35 GMT -5
Quote - "You seem to note & post more about sex then anyone else here on TMB!"
Lots here think the world is getting better. We are better educated. We don't believe in God as much. We ended slavery, child labor and the like. We are more democratic.
But I like to remind people of the underbelly of Modernity - sex, drugs, crime, family break down etc.. It's good to have perspective.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 25, 2015 2:59:08 GMT -5
Sounds like a lot of people can 't decide much for themselves. Adults have to take responsibility for what they do. What does a worker know about any "issue" that any intelligent adult can decide for himself?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 3:02:10 GMT -5
Sounds like a lot of people can 't decide much for themselves. Adults have to take responsibility for what they do. What does a worker know about any "issue" that any intelligent adult can decide for himself? Exactly. No Worker is going to formulate an opinion of non-religious issues in my mind. I find about 95% of what Workers say on scientific issues is plain W.R.O.N.G. But it's nuanced - I understand where they are coming from. And... I wouldn't listen to any scientist on the topic of religion, either. They get is about 95% wrong, too.
ps generally I find Workers don't impose non-religious views on people. It's some of the friends who bother me with that - particularly with politics.
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Post by fixit on Jul 25, 2015 3:25:41 GMT -5
Ok - so I've just read a letter addressed to all friends in the area regarding the upcoming conventions in New England and New York. The main thought - asking people not to speak too long when giving testimonies so that others will have a chance to express their thoughts and so that the visiting male worker designated to speak will have at least 30 - preferably 45 minutes to express his thoughts. The letter was careful to note that the friends testimonies are indeed important - as important as any of the workers messages. But one needs to consider that there is only so much time for all to speak and on and on and on.. Ok. I need to keep this in mind - be brief, be brief, be brief. Here are some of my concerns and battles that I've had over the past year between conventions. -My children are being pulled in all sorts of directions - most away from Christianity and into secularism -the proliferation of porn on the internet that encourages cheating,etc - anything to create divorce and broken marriages. -the increasing attacks and persecution of Christians around the world -that I don't think I can make it - that I need HELP! -how do I live as a Christian in this world -how do I interpret the Word of God correctly and more.. and I get a letter about keeping testimonies brief? It shows where the overseer's priorities lie. Sadly, there are far more pressing issues facing the church. I understand how your priorities and concerns are different.
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