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Jul 22, 2015 0:33:49 GMT -5
Post by BobWilliston on Jul 22, 2015 0:33:49 GMT -5
It happened to be an older worker who sawed the radio ariel off my cousin's car one night at convention. How many decades ago did that happen? Approximately 4.
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Jul 22, 2015 1:08:58 GMT -5
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 22, 2015 1:08:58 GMT -5
Most of them are trustworthy. But don't think they all are! A young man at Knoxville convention stole a bunch of cameras and then broke down and returned them to then overseer George Lee. Lee had to mention this before the convention crowd. I would say that Jondough is right about those over 40. But I'm not so sure about the younger generation. Oh, come on! Walker, you are always hitting the younger generation! The younger generation only acts likes their parents!
I have a family living across the alley from me whose children are always doing things for us, sometimes little things, -like bringing in our garbage cans; sometimes bigger things, -like shoveling the snow from our drive-way, -all unasked, just done.
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Post by rational on Jul 22, 2015 7:05:13 GMT -5
How many decades ago did that happen? Approximately 4. Might be time to let it go.
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Jul 22, 2015 8:24:26 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 8:24:26 GMT -5
Rat, It sometimes takes a long to let things go it that trust is broken time and time again.
It always bothers me when someone says get over it and the thing that broke the trust in the first place has never been acknowledged or corrected. That is like asking for forgiveness for something and going right back and doing the same thing. Were you really sorry for offending the other person or for getting caught?
It does say in the bible that we are to repent and not continue to do the thing we repented for.
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Jul 22, 2015 8:30:10 GMT -5
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Post by slowtosee on Jul 22, 2015 8:30:10 GMT -5
Might be time to let it go. Probably. They have antennas now that go in the windshield so let that sawed off one go. Alvin
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Post by What Hat on Jul 22, 2015 14:48:45 GMT -5
Might be time to let it go. Probably. They have antennas now that go in the windshield so let that sawed off one go. Alvin I've heard that careless contact with radio antennas can sometimes cause van aerial disease.
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Jul 22, 2015 17:16:06 GMT -5
Post by BobWilliston on Jul 22, 2015 17:16:06 GMT -5
Might be time to let it go. It wasn't me who tried to say workers never act violently -- I was responding to a suggestion that it never happens. Who is anyone to say I never let it go? That had nothing whatsoever to do with my leaving meetings 30 years later. I know the story circulated widely. But the story about why he got booted from the work never got told around.
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Jul 22, 2015 17:18:43 GMT -5
Post by BobWilliston on Jul 22, 2015 17:18:43 GMT -5
Probably. They have antennas now that go in the windshield so let that sawed off one go. Alvin I've heard that careless contact with radio antennas can sometimes cause van aerial disease. Except when you tie a pink ribbon on the end of it.
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Post by rational on Jul 23, 2015 9:01:41 GMT -5
Rat, It sometimes takes a long to let things go it that trust is broken time and time again. And some people keep it alive like a sharp tooth that one explores with their tongue over and over until their tongue bleeds. We are talking about an antenna that was cut off a car over 40 years ago. It is time to let it go. It really doesn't need to be acknowledged - the antenna was cut. Not sure anyone is disputing that fact. I guess there are different ways people can live their lives. You can hang onto an affront like having the antenna cut from your car, and wait for acknowledgement and an apology or you can get on with yolur life. If you need some acknowledgement or an apology to get over something that was done to you, then you are giving the offender all of the power over how you live your life. There is also Deuteronomy 25:11-12. I don't think people put a lot of stock in that verse either.
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Jul 23, 2015 13:25:43 GMT -5
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Post by Mary on Jul 23, 2015 13:25:43 GMT -5
Does it matter how long ago something happen regarding a worker sawing an antenna off someone's car. It happened whether it was a week, year or decades ago. What time limit would you like to put on something Rational before it is no longer relevant. A bit like food that has an expiry date? An event is an event. Would you read anything older than a few decades. Will your story become less relevant in a few decades?
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Jul 23, 2015 14:07:25 GMT -5
Post by rational on Jul 23, 2015 14:07:25 GMT -5
Does it matter how long ago something happen regarding a worker sawing an antenna off someone's car. It happened whether it was a week, year or decades ago. What time limit would you like to put on something Rational before it is no longer relevant. For removing an antenna - I would say about 1 day.Yes it is. It happened and there is no way to make it un-happen. Sitting and ruminating about it and carrying a grudge because of it benefits no one.I would read about it but I would not dwell and fret about an event that happened 40+ years ago. The Vietnam conflict is history. Reading about it adds knowledge but worrying about it is useless. It is not a matter of being relevant. It is waiting for someone to acknowledge they removed your antenna and apologize for it so you can forgive them that is a waste of time and effort.
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Jul 23, 2015 14:33:36 GMT -5
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Post by Mary on Jul 23, 2015 14:33:36 GMT -5
I don't see Bob doing any of those things. He simply mentioned an event. If you know Bob from his posts he doesn't fret about much and I am sure mentioning an event is not freting.
Did he say he is waiting for an acknowledgement or apology or is that your own thought.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 23, 2015 15:23:29 GMT -5
I don't see Bob doing any of those things. He simply mentioned an event. If you know Bob from his posts he doesn't fret about much and I am sure mentioning an event is not freting. Did he say he is waiting for an acknowledgement or apology or is that your own thought. Rat has to be more upset about my good memory than about any expectation I might have of an apology. The insurance company fixed it. In any case, that was not the worst thing that worker ever did to someone's cat CAR -- not by a long shot. I remember that too -- as do all my family. I thought it was hilarious, except that it was catastrophically dangerous. Where I came from you could write a book about crazy workers.
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Jul 23, 2015 15:29:40 GMT -5
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Post by Mary on Jul 23, 2015 15:29:40 GMT -5
What did they do to your cat? Break it's antenna too? Ah, yes I remember the one about your poor old cat.
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Jul 23, 2015 19:17:20 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 19:17:20 GMT -5
The friends were way too dependent 3, 4, 5 and more decades ago. I think if the history of the fellowship had been better known, some of the harsh tactics of past workers would been challenged without fear of a worker talk or being asked to "not take part". Had it not been the internet, I night still believe that all unprofessing people were doomed to a lost eternity.
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Jul 23, 2015 20:41:50 GMT -5
Post by rational on Jul 23, 2015 20:41:50 GMT -5
Rat has to be more upset about my good memory than about any expectation I might have of an apology. The insurance company fixed it. In any case, that was not the worst thing that worker ever did to someone's cat -- not by a long shot. I remember that too -- as do all my family. I thought it was hilarious, except that it was catastrophically dangerous. Where I came from you could write a book about crazy workers. I don't doubt your memory. I personally saw antennas being cut from cars at Altamont (NY) convention. You are right. Bob is probably not waiting for an apology. I was generalizing.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 23, 2015 21:20:20 GMT -5
What did they do to your cat? Break it's antenna too? Ah, yes I remember the one about your poor old cat. Sorry - that was a typo. It was another car story. But that time the SAME worker borrowed a cousin's car for the evening, and when he brought it home the back seat was littered with empty beer cans. I thought it was quite funny, but some of the family never spoke to the one who found the beer cans again because he thought he was telling lies about the worker. But that wasn't why he was kicked out of the work.
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Jul 23, 2015 21:21:06 GMT -5
Post by BobWilliston on Jul 23, 2015 21:21:06 GMT -5
The friends were way too dependent 3, 4, 5 and more decades ago. I think if the history of the fellowship had been better known, some of the harsh tactics of past workers would been challenged without fear of a worker talk or being asked to "not take part". Had it not been the internet, I night still believe that all unprofessing people were doomed to a lost eternity. Absolutely.
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Jul 23, 2015 21:23:18 GMT -5
Post by BobWilliston on Jul 23, 2015 21:23:18 GMT -5
Rat has to be more upset about my good memory than about any expectation I might have of an apology. The insurance company fixed it. In any case, that was not the worst thing that worker ever did to someone's cat -- not by a long shot. I remember that too -- as do all my family. I thought it was hilarious, except that it was catastrophically dangerous. Where I came from you could write a book about crazy workers. I don't doubt your memory. I personally saw antennas being cut from cars at Altamont (NY) convention. You are right. Bob is probably not waiting for an apology. I was generalizing. Well, I can't accuse you of not letting it go, can I?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 8:18:05 GMT -5
Rat, thanks for picking my post apart. I am sorry I am not as smart as you are. Do you think humility has any place in life?
In 1989 IR attempted to remove my antanna from my car. His younger companion ask him what he was doing. He turned and smiled and then walked away. Rat I am sure you know who IR is.
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Jul 24, 2015 8:46:06 GMT -5
Post by rational on Jul 24, 2015 8:46:06 GMT -5
Rat, thanks for picking my post apart. I wasn't picking anything apart. I was expressing a different point of view.It is not a matter of being intelligent but a matter of how you deal with things in your every day life. You can hang onto past affronts and dwell on them and let the memory of them make your life miserable or you can deal with them in a different way. Perhaps the assistance of a professional can help guide one to ways to deal with the issues.Not really. I think honesty is a much more important trait. There is no need to be boastful but there is no need to turn into an unctuous Uriah Heep either. I don't know who IR is. The question is - did you tell him to stop?
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Post by What Hat on Jul 24, 2015 9:12:15 GMT -5
Does it matter how long ago something happen regarding a worker sawing an antenna off someone's car. It happened whether it was a week, year or decades ago. What time limit would you like to put on something Rational before it is no longer relevant. A bit like food that has an expiry date? An event is an event. Would you read anything older than a few decades. Will your story become less relevant in a few decades? Actually, a lot of information on this forum is passed off as reflecting the fellowship today, but is no longer relevant. It's okay to relate the information when it is accurately dated for nostalgic or other reasons.
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Jul 24, 2015 10:01:49 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2015 10:01:49 GMT -5
Who said I was holding onto to that and dwelling on it? I had not thought about that situation in years. I do have a memory just like you. Why is it when someone brings something up from the past about the workers and friends you say they are dwelling on it. You must be dwelling on the past or else why are you on a board which is about meeting when you have gone to meeting in 40+ years??? Maybe you need some professional help yourself!
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Jul 24, 2015 12:56:25 GMT -5
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Post by Mary on Jul 24, 2015 12:56:25 GMT -5
Things trigger thoughts. Nothing to do with dwelling on it. Often the opposite. We have not thought about something for years then someone mentions something and we think yea, that happened to me.
Marie, there will always be people who will try and put people down and challenge others but that says more about them than those they are putting down.
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Jul 24, 2015 14:29:52 GMT -5
Post by hberry on Jul 24, 2015 14:29:52 GMT -5
Rat, thanks for picking my post apart. I am sorry I am not as smart as you are. Do you think humility has any place in life? In 1989 IR attempted to remove my antanna from my car. His younger companion ask him what he was doing. He turned and smiled and then walked away. Rat I am sure you know who IR is. No wonder the friends I knew back East were still nervous about radios back in the late 80s and early 90's. IR was in the field, along with another worker who didn't like antennas. I was clueless but then, I was from CA, one of those 'liberal' saints.
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Jul 24, 2015 15:25:49 GMT -5
Post by SharonArnold on Jul 24, 2015 15:25:49 GMT -5
Do you think humility has any place in life? Not really. I think honesty is a much more important trait. There is no need to be boastful but there is no need to turn into an unctuous Uriah Heep either. It is a number of years since I last read David Copperfield (maybe time to do so again), but I always thought that the point of Dickens' Uriah Heep character was to get people to ask the question of what it truly means to be "umble". A number of years ago, I came across the following quote: "Humility does not mean putting yourself down; that is just putting yourself down. True humility is knowing that, in the very next moment, you may learn something that changes how you see everything forever". This definition still works for me. I once made a list (in the manner of David Letterman) for the top 10 list of things I consider important in life. Gratitude was (hands down) number one. Humility was number 3 or 4. "Honesty" did not even make the list. But "sense of humor/ability to laugh at yourself" sure did.
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Jul 24, 2015 16:32:45 GMT -5
Post by BobWilliston on Jul 24, 2015 16:32:45 GMT -5
Things trigger thoughts. Nothing to do with dwelling on it. Often the opposite. We have not thought about something for years then someone mentions something and we think yea, that happened to me. Marie, there will always be people who will try and put people down and challenge others but that says more about them than those they are putting down. The only things people want others to forget are things they want kept hidden, for some reason. Otherwise, "forgetfulness is iniquity", as I've been told.
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Jul 27, 2015 0:48:24 GMT -5
Post by rational on Jul 27, 2015 0:48:24 GMT -5
I once made a list (in the manner of David Letterman) for the top 10 list of things I consider important in life. Gratitude was (hands down) number one. Humility was number 3 or 4. "Honesty" did not even make the list. But "sense of humor/ability to laugh at yourself" sure did. Interesting. Showing gratitude, whether it is honest or not? Displaying humility whether it is false humility or not is not an issue? I would have thought honesty, internal and external, would be on the list.
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