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Post by Mary on Jul 7, 2015 19:33:02 GMT -5
Read the stories of those who have left Nathan. They tell the other side.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 20:00:49 GMT -5
Nathan people left the churches they were in to follow the seducing doctrines of men (the workers). Those people departed the faith. Many of us returned to the faith our ancestors left to put right the wrong path they took. God's way had never died out and didn't need a man like William Irvine to restart it. Jesus sent the Holy Spirit when he departed and it was always alive and well workng in people's lives and fellowships. Irvine started a new fellowship and people started calling it the truth. There were plenty of fellowships and Irvines became just another one. Missionaries were around long before Irvine came on the scene. The work had been done long before Irvine broke away and started his own church seducing folk to follow him. Mary, there just are no words in my vocabulary to express how much I agree with what you have just written. Thank you! (Until later...)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 21:25:48 GMT -5
One can heal from abuse, but not with the help of most workers and friends. They can heal with the power of God. They also need professional help and a supportive family. All I can say from my own experience that the workers and friends fled when I mentioned my abuse. One worker told me to heal in silence. Most professing family no longer speak to me since I spoke out about my abuse. Without the power of God and the help I have gotten from others I am not sure if I would still be on this earth. If it were left to the help or lack there of from the workers, friends and my family I certainly would not still be living. This is no board for someone to seek healing from abuse to be on. Most people on this board have little to no compassion for those who have been abused. Hello Marie, you may be right about this board, but I'm glad at least you have mentioned that God helps. No, maybe most humans can't. Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome. It's been in the news because of all the soldiers who have survived the hell of war. But there is something someone (not here) pointed out. If by some miracle you could line up all the people in the world who have or are dealing with PTSD, you would find that the majority would not be soldiers, but would be women who have been raped. Maybe, one hopes, the lessons of PTSD that are being learned in the professional community from the work being done because of the soldiers can help all. There is a book out there called Upside, The New Science of Post Traumatic Growth. I only heard a review of it, but apparently the statistics are that 1/2 to 2/3 of all ptsd victims report it ultimately being a positive. That seems to line up with the promises of scripture, that all things work out for good for those who are His. Maybe they are the ones who are the majority (?) of the 1/2 to 2/3rds. All the best to you. Keith (Ettu)
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 7, 2015 21:40:29 GMT -5
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice this, but hurt, offense, bad treatment, disappointment with the F&W's.... it seems to be the common stock in trade of the ex movement. Some even seem to delight in it?! There's something sad and wrong, and missing, about this. I think I was particularly struck some time ago when some lady said how her life was ruined because of csa. By a worker or someone of the f&w I'm sure. What I noticed was how she was being exploited for her story, in order to denounce the f&w, again. Her pain was trotted out to poke in their noses. But nowhere was there any mention of God who can heal the broken hearted, who can turn every bad thing into victory? It was like she had been, (and was being) kept in the dark about the cure so she could be used as a victim to make the point again that '...I've been hurt, by the f&w'. The recurring chorus that the ex movement gravitates to. Is her life still ruined? Or is her usefulness here now done with, so she can go on to be healed off stage? Ettu, have you ever been sexually abused ? Have you witnessed domestic violence ?
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 7, 2015 22:54:56 GMT -5
One can heal from abuse, but not with the help of most workers and friends. They can heal with the power of God. They also need professional help and a supportive family. All I can say from my own experience that the workers and friends fled when I mentioned my abuse. One worker told me to heal in silence. Most professing family no longer speak to me since I spoke out about my abuse. Without the power of God and the help I have gotten from others I am not sure if I would still be on this earth. If it were left to the help or lack there of from the workers, friends and my family I certainly would not still be living. This is no board for someone to seek healing from abuse to be on. Most people on this board have little to no compassion for those who have been abused. Hello Marie, you may be right about this board, but I'm glad at least you have mentioned that God helps. No, maybe most humans can't. Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome. It's been in the news because of all the soldiers who have survived the hell of war. But there is something someone (not here) pointed out. If by some miracle you could line up all the people in the world who have or are dealing with PTSD, you would find that the majority would not be soldiers, but would be women who have been raped. Maybe, one hopes, the lessons of PTSD that are being learned in the professional community from the work being done because of the soldiers can help all. There is a book out there called Upside, The New Science of Post Traumatic Growth. I only heard a review of it, but apparently the statistics are that 1/2 to 2/3 of all ptsd victims report it ultimately being a positive. That seems to line up with the promises of scripture, that all things work out for good for those who are His. Maybe they are the ones who are the majority (?) of the 1/2 to 2/3rds. All the best to you. Keith (Ettu) So, Keith (Ettu), what are you going to tell the children who have suffered from of Child Sexual Abuse about "the promises of scripture, that all things work out for good for those who are His," when it was the very ministers preaching that scripture that abused them?
You are only adding to the children's burden!
Journal of the American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry
Volume 31, Issue 5, September 1992, Pages 875–879
Sexually Abused Children at High Risk for Post-traumatic Stress Disorder
SUSAN V. McLEER, M.D., ESTHER DEBLINGER, Ph.D., DELMINA HENRY, Ph.D., HELEN ORVASCHEL, Ph.D.
Abstract
Ninety-two sexually abused children were studied using structured interviews and standardized instruments to determine the frequency of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and associated symptoms.
Of these sexually abused children, 43.9% met DSM-III-R PTSD criteria; 53.8% of children abused by fathers, 42.4% abused by trusted adults, and 10% of those abused by strangers met criteria as opposed to none of the children abused by an older child.
No relationship was observed between the time lapsed since last abusive episode and the presence of PTSD.
Many children not meeting full criteria exhibited partial PTSD symptoms.
Only one standardized instrument (Child Behavior Checklist) detected group differences with PTSD children exhibiting more symptoms.
This study replicates an earlier pilot study and underscores the need for further PTSD research.
Key Words
sex abuse; sexually abused children; post-traumatic stress disorder; high-risk study
Presented at the Annual Meeting of the Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, New York, New York, October 11–15, 1989.
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Post by fixit on Jul 7, 2015 22:59:43 GMT -5
If by some miracle you could line up all the people in the world who have or are dealing with PTSD, you would find that the majority would not be soldiers, but would be women who have been raped. You would need to include both men and women who were sexually abused as children.
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Post by jj on Jul 8, 2015 1:04:50 GMT -5
Well I'm an ex, and I went through a process something like this Questioning/examining ---->shock/disbelief------>anger/bitterness------->-sadness/depression------>acceptance/peace During this process I did a lot of reading and all who shared their experiences, on here and other sites, ex and current members, helped me to know I wasn't alone. Now I can accept that belief for me is a fluid thing. I still have good friends in the fellowship, and true friendship transcends religion/beliefs. The reason I didn't contact them for a while, was because I felt hurt and what I felt was too personal to explain to them, also I was hesitant to hurt them. Now I've even caught up with the workers in the area purely because they are friends to me. That's my experience, but others are different because some have been treated and hurt badly. Not because everyone in the 2x2s are bad, rather there are a handful of not so nice people in all walks of life and sometimes they're involved in organisations or groups which allow them to hurt people and get away with it. Aside from that I enjoy an omnivorous diet, and try not to consume too many processed foods
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 8, 2015 1:18:20 GMT -5
Quote - "You seem to have a weird idea of what is "cool"" Since coming on the TMB about 2005 the amount of sex acts per hour on Australian TV has doubled. And that's about the same for violence too. No figures for the filthy language, but its gone off the scale (ever watch Californication?) Why? Because it's cool. And not a single mention of it on the TMB.
And it's not your typical avid fleshy glorifying TV fan who has "weird idea of what is "cool"" - it's now ME!!Am I right to assume you have a television? How do you get this kind of data?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jul 8, 2015 1:26:50 GMT -5
Pumpkin soup tonight. Can't remember last nights kai as was too long ago.
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Post by fixit on Jul 8, 2015 2:26:20 GMT -5
Well I'm an ex, and I went through a process something like this Questioning/examining ---->shock/disbelief------>anger/bitterness------->-sadness/depression------>acceptance/peace During this process I did a lot of reading and all who shared their experiences, on here and other sites, ex and current members, helped me to know I wasn't alone. Now I can accept that belief for me is a fluid thing. I still have good friends in the fellowship, and true friendship transcends religion/beliefs. The reason I didn't contact them for a while, was because I felt hurt and what I felt was too personal to explain to them, also I was hesitant to hurt them. Now I've even caught up with the workers in the area purely because they are friends to me. That's my experience, but others are different because some have been treated and hurt badly. Not because everyone in the 2x2s are bad, rather there are a handful of not so nice people in all walks of life and sometimes they're involved in organisations or groups which allow them to hurt people and get away with it. Aside from that I enjoy an omnivorous diet, and try not to consume too many processed foods Thanks for telling your story. What caused the shock and disbelief? And the anger and bitterness?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 4:47:56 GMT -5
Quote - "Am I right to assume you have a television? How do you get this kind of data?"
No, I don't own a TV, at least, don't own one in the home I live in. The data I get by reading, not by doing my own research. If I went hunting for that data I would know I was successful if no-one replied to my post. No, "Yeah, okay, let's move on" or "Is that right? So what?" or "You made your point."
This one I kept 50% of parents polled don’t monitor what their children watch on TV, up from 20% just 15 years earlier. Australian Research Alliance for Children and Youth, Dec 7th 2011"
That's a 2% per annum decline in parent supervision of children's TV. Twice the rate of church decline. I think it's got to do with the fact that parents are not sure what is right or wrong anymore.
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Post by maryhig on Jul 8, 2015 5:32:30 GMT -5
My, this is certainly a confusing site. My exposure to everyone here is limited by what I read and by what I am told. How can anyone but an "ex" as you call them have any idea what an "ex" feeds on? None except Dennis even commented on my last question, so I don't really expect others to comment/answer these. There is so much hostility in this forum someone like me could cut it with a knife. The christian God known by some as the light of the world, turns inside, or do I have the whole concept of his teaching wrong? Never having been one of your group, I have no idea what it feeds upon. From a lifetime of worship, and adult belief, I feel empathy with some here, definitely not with others. It seems if there is wall between you, by simply not knowing what is inside your wall, I must believe I am outside of it like the majority of "exes" who I sense posting here. Of course, there are some like "What Hat" who appear even like their chosen name implies, who do not really know what side of this imposing wall they are even on, and "Maryhig", also. This is just observations by someone who has been to many church meetings throughout the northwestern Hemisphere, but never to one of your "meetings". By reading here, I sense there are even two different groups of them represented here. Confusing. And then there is one (only one person?) who actually believes in an "alien" as somehow an essential part of the issue of eternal life. As to "workers" the only example of them is the person identifying themself as "review005" as if he were som kind of James Bond with a license to kill. Then there is dispute whether or not the primary group is growing! Growing, with Agent Review007 as the only known representative of workers in this forum? Can others not see something wrong with the picture, and from my observation point it is not with what "exes" are feeding upon. Yeah your right there about me, I'm not on any side of any wall, (as I'm sure many others aren't either!) I'm on the side of God and Christ. And the love of God through Christ and the spirit breaks down walls! Ephesians 2 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 8:45:10 GMT -5
Ettu, have you ever been sexually abused ? Have you witnessed domestic violence ? Hello Roselyn, Well... I've vacillated back and forth whether to answer you or not. First of all I get the impression you presume not, I feel like if I say yes, you'll just dismiss it for whatever reason that justifies your continued attitude. If I say no, well then I feel you'll just dismiss whatever I have to say as, you just don't know. So, I feel like responding would just be loose loose situation with you. And probably a bunch of others here too. So I wonder, why waste any of our time. But, maybe it'll help... I don't know... so, Yes I was sexually abused. I was a young man, and I happened to be in a born again Christian retreat down in St Louis. We slept in a common area, not unlike the bunk houses at convention, except it was all on the floor. No beds. I woke up one morning, fully erect, to find a guy had his hand around my penis, rhythmically stroking and squeezing it. As I became aware of what was going on, I was obviously a bit shocked. He had quite a delighted leer on his face. I cracked him in the head, he curled up in simpering ball, I got myself together and walked out. Regarding domestic violence? Please... I'm in my early 60's. I've seen a lot. Yes, you should do what Marie complains the F&W did, run away. And do what is recommended, call the cops.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 13:46:37 GMT -5
Sorry I am not complaining, I am stating a fact. You also can not call the cops when the statue of limitations has ran out. I am glad you are so compassionate toward other abused people!!!
Your attitude is what makes others blame God for mans actions. Most people on the earth judge God by the actions of those that claim to serve him. How unfair to God! How unfair to a world that is looking for something to have trust and hope in.
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Post by jondough on Jul 8, 2015 14:27:40 GMT -5
My, this is certainly a confusing site. My exposure to everyone here is limited by what I read and by what I am told. How can anyone but an "ex" as you call them have any idea what an "ex" feeds on? None except Dennis even commented on my last question, so I don't really expect others to comment/answer these. There is so much hostility in this forum someone like me could cut it with a knife. The christian God known by some as the light of the world, turns inside, or do I have the whole concept of his teaching wrong? Never having been one of your group, I have no idea what it feeds upon. From a lifetime of worship, and adult belief, I feel empathy with some here, definitely not with others. It seems if there is wall between you, by simply not knowing what is inside your wall, I must believe I am outside of it like the majority of "exes" who I sense posting here. Of course, there are some like "What Hat" who appear even like their chosen name implies, who do not really know what side of this imposing wall they are even on, and "Maryhig", also. This is just observations by someone who has been to many church meetings throughout the northwestern Hemisphere, but never to one of your "meetings". By reading here, I sense there are even two different groups of them represented here. Confusing. And then there is one (only one person?) who actually believes in an "alien" as somehow an essential part of the issue of eternal life. As to "workers" the only example of them is the person identifying themself as "review005" as if he were som kind of James Bond with a license to kill. Then there is dispute whether or not the primary group is growing! Growing, with Agent Review007 as the only known representative of workers in this forum? Can others not see something wrong with the picture, and from my observation point it is not with what "exes" are feeding upon. kj, what were/was your question(s)? (I'm an innie by the way)
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Post by whyisitso on Jul 8, 2015 16:37:52 GMT -5
My, this is certainly a confusing site. My exposure to everyone here is limited by what I read and by what I am told. How can anyone but an "ex" as you call them have any idea what an "ex" feeds on? None except Dennis even commented on my last question, so I don't really expect others to comment/answer these. There is so much hostility in this forum someone like me could cut it with a knife. The christian God known by some as the light of the world, turns inside, or do I have the whole concept of his teaching wrong? Never having been one of your group, I have no idea what it feeds upon. From a lifetime of worship, and adult belief, I feel empathy with some here, definitely not with others. It seems if there is wall between you, by simply not knowing what is inside your wall, I must believe I am outside of it like the majority of "exes" who I sense posting here. Of course, there are some like "What Hat" who appear even like their chosen name implies, who do not really know what side of this imposing wall they are even on, and "Maryhig", also. This is just observations by someone who has been to many church meetings throughout the northwestern Hemisphere, but never to one of your "meetings". By reading here, I sense there are even two different groups of them represented here. Confusing. And then there is one (only one person?) who actually believes in an "alien" as somehow an essential part of the issue of eternal life. As to "workers" the only example of them is the person identifying themself as "review005" as if he were som kind of James Bond with a license to kill. Then there is dispute whether or not the primary group is growing! Growing, with Agent Review007 as the only known representative of workers in this forum? Can others not see something wrong with the picture, and from my observation point it is not with what "exes" are feeding upon. kj just wondering if you're related to or married to anyone on this site? Should've used jk or something less obvious the writing style looks too familiar!
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Post by maryhig on Jul 8, 2015 18:00:52 GMT -5
My, this is certainly a confusing site. My exposure to everyone here is limited by what I read and by what I am told. How can anyone but an "ex" as you call them have any idea what an "ex" feeds on? None except Dennis even commented on my last question, so I don't really expect others to comment/answer these. There is so much hostility in this forum someone like me could cut it with a knife. The christian God known by some as the light of the world, turns inside, or do I have the whole concept of his teaching wrong? Never having been one of your group, I have no idea what it feeds upon. From a lifetime of worship, and adult belief, I feel empathy with some here, definitely not with others. It seems if there is wall between you, by simply not knowing what is inside your wall, I must believe I am outside of it like the majority of "exes" who I sense posting here. Of course, there are some like "What Hat" who appear even like their chosen name implies, who do not really know what side of this imposing wall they are even on, and "Maryhig", also. This is just observations by someone who has been to many church meetings throughout the northwestern Hemisphere, but never to one of your "meetings". By reading here, I sense there are even two different groups of them represented here. Confusing. And then there is one (only one person?) who actually believes in an "alien" as somehow an essential part of the issue of eternal life. As to "workers" the only example of them is the person identifying themself as "review005" as if he were som kind of James Bond with a license to kill. Then there is dispute whether or not the primary group is growing! Growing, with Agent Review007 as the only known representative of workers in this forum? Can others not see something wrong with the picture, and from my observation point it is not with what "exes" are feeding upon. kj just wondering if you're related to or married to anyone on this site? Should've used jk or something less obvious the writing style looks too familiar! What I can't get over, is that kj said there's so much hostility here that they could cut it with a knife, and then they start putting digs in at people making more hostility!
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Post by whyisitso on Jul 8, 2015 21:03:35 GMT -5
kj just wondering if you're related to or married to anyone on this site? Should've used jk or something less obvious the writing style looks too familiar! What I can't get over, is that kj said there's so much hostility here that they could cut it with a knife, and then they start putting digs in at people making more hostility! Yes I agree Maryhig. It's like they've been here before
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Post by snow on Jul 8, 2015 21:45:45 GMT -5
So what was their name before?
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Post by withlove on Jul 8, 2015 21:58:57 GMT -5
Just popping in to say that this ex just fed on a delicious cupcake.
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Post by whyisitso on Jul 9, 2015 2:05:40 GMT -5
So what was their name before? I wouldn't like to out them totally Snow
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Post by faune on Jul 9, 2015 7:37:13 GMT -5
kj, what were/was your question(s)? (I'm an innie by the way) good post and question jon dough! I quickly looked back through kj's posts! I could ask kj LOTS of questions after doing that! There are LOTS of things that don't 'add up'/ring true'. Review005 ~ Could this be the reason for so many ex-2x2's today? Here's one young gal who seems to feel this way about the 2x2's along with most of her family today. Her perspective from a young person's point of view on You-tube just might have some answers for you as to why things just don't add up or ring true? www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMb8Sud79oo
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Post by faune on Jul 9, 2015 7:54:26 GMT -5
There's a saying I have heard many times in meetings, "Don't be looking for examples, be one yourself." The above quote should never be an excuse to justify a bad example.
Matthew 5:13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot. 14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven. Fixit ~ I most definitely agree ~ "The above quote should never be an excuse to justify a bad example."
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Post by faune on Jul 9, 2015 8:01:20 GMT -5
Faune, I got about a minute into it and she said "It's a cult and I'm not joking". I didn't waste any more time listening to it after that. Review005 ~ Don't you want to know this young gal's reasons for her POV due to your own position within the 2x2's, which caused her whole family to leave at the same time? Aren't you just a little curious? Perhaps somebody should tell her that they are now called New Religious Movements (NRM's) today to be more socially acceptable and that the word "cult" is now outdated? You will find the Two-by-Twos towards the bottom of this long list on Wiki.
Also, to answer your question as to whether I find the 2x2's to be a religious cult, the answer is YES, but not a dangerous one like Jonestown. However, today is called a NRM and has plenty of company on this Wiki listing. It's described as an "Independent Fundamentalist Family" founded by William Irvine in 1897, the "denied" founder.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_new_religious_movements
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Post by xna on Jul 9, 2015 8:05:48 GMT -5
good post and question jon dough! I quickly looked back through kj's posts! I could ask kj LOTS of questions after doing that! There are LOTS of things that don't 'add up'/ring true'. Review005 ~ Could this be the reason for so many ex-2x2's today? Here's one young gal who seems to feel this way about the 2x2's along with most of her family today. Her perspective from a young person's point of view on You-tube just might have some answers for you as to why things just don't add up or ring true? www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMb8Sud79ooThanks for sharing. I'm not so sure she is in a better place, based on the ending.
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Post by faune on Jul 9, 2015 8:26:45 GMT -5
Review005 ~ Could this be the reason for so many ex-2x2's today? Here's one young gal who seems to feel this way about the 2x2's along with most of her family today. Her perspective from a young person's point of view on You-tube just might have some answers for you as to why things just don't add up or ring true? www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMb8Sud79oo Thanks for sharing. I'm not so sure she is in a better place, based on the ending. Xna ~ She said around the 9 minute mark that she was now attending some Evangelical Church, but didn't know the name. She then mentioned the famous home-schooled Duggar family with 19 kids which has made headlines in recent weeks. She said they were "right up my alley," which got me chuckling, too! Perhaps she will find more in common with them than she realizes that might remind her of the 2x2's and their ways of cover-up?
www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2015/05/31/i-could-have-been-a-duggar-wife-an-account-from-inside-that-religious-millieu
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Post by xna on Jul 9, 2015 8:42:14 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing. I'm not so sure she is in a better place, based on the ending. Xna ~ She said around the 9 minute mark that she was now attending some Evangelical Church, but didn't know the name. She then mentioned the famous home-schooled Duggar family with 19 kids which has made headlines in recent weeks. This got me chuckling, too! Faune ~ At 7.125 billion people now, I don't think the world needs more Duggard like NRM thinking. JMT NRM's sounds much kinder than cult, and it's a more descriptive term. She is a brave girl. I suspect her life will turn out just fine. As she has seen the harm in one NRM, that will make it easier for her to spot any harm found in another NRM, or ORM. Live & learn...
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Post by Greg on Jul 9, 2015 10:15:43 GMT -5
I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice this, but hurt, offense, bad treatment, disappointment with the F&W's.... it seems to be the common stock in trade of the ex movement. Some even seem to delight in it?! There's something sad and wrong, and missing, about this. I think I was particularly struck some time ago when some lady said how her life was ruined because of csa. By a worker or someone of the f&w I'm sure. What I noticed was how she was being exploited for her story, in order to denounce the f&w, again. Her pain was trotted out to poke in their noses. But nowhere was there any mention of God who can heal the broken hearted, who can turn every bad thing into victory? It was like she had been, (and was being) kept in the dark about the cure so she could be used as a victim to make the point again that '...I've been hurt, by the f&w'. The recurring chorus that the ex movement gravitates to. Is her life still ruined? Or is her usefulness here now done with, so she can go on to be healed off stage? Just had the thought that when people, even seemingly good people, do bad things to others some think "God will make it right (or alright)." That somewhat goes in line with the teaching some have applied in these situations...."They'll get over it." Could someone use such thoughts to release feelings of guilt and perhaps even responsibility? Hard to know if a csa case is the issue of someone's writing or being anti friends and workers. A rich man gives to charity. Someone says that is nice. Another person says it was done for attention - "look at me, what I did". Big picture though . . . a charity got money. Another similar is how a town or state could set up small free housing for the homeless. Just get some land somewhere and put the homeless together in their own tiny house. They will be housed and they will be more comfortable living with their own kind. Yet another person says "The fat cats around here didn't like them wondering around and wanted them put out of sight." The big picture though....homes for the homeless. Again, hard to know if an agenda is anti csa or ant f&w or both with a heavier leaning one way or the other. Similar with some of the hush-hush on such things. "We want to protect the child now to avoid embarrassment, side glances, and what have you." Or is it "They want to protect the perp and the church." Is the constant identify of the f&w way in these cases an agenda against the church/way or is it pointing out to all that eventually might read that "yes, bad things do happen there despite what you have been told and what you believe"?
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