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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 20:33:24 GMT -5
In the last year, I can think of 3 people who took their life in the kingdom. For a long time, you just hardly ever heard of suicides in the Kingdom. Has the teachings changed on the belief of a lost eternity for suicide?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 20:59:57 GMT -5
no suicide is still a no no...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 22:30:37 GMT -5
Walker, instead of answering Ettu's simple question about what is it you have found in your life, you got your knife out and posted this nonsense. Guess you have answered Ettu's question, then.
There are many happy people who would just LOVE for someone to ask them the question Ettu asked.
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Post by Roselyn T on Jul 7, 2015 5:02:19 GMT -5
Walker, instead of answering Ettu's simple question about what is it you have found in your life, you got your knife out and posted this nonsense. Guess you have answered Ettu's question, then.
There are many happy people who would just LOVE for someone to ask them the question Ettu asked. Hey Bert maybe you should take your own advise & answer the simple question I asked you about Domestic Violence. Or are you avoiding the issue ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 10:28:37 GMT -5
Until you have been in the depth of despair that makes you contemplate ending your life. I don't think you should judge another person. Thank goodness God understands the hearts of all men.
I would not wish that despair on my worse enemy.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jul 7, 2015 10:59:31 GMT -5
In the last year, I can think of 3 people who took their life in the kingdom. For a long time, you just hardly ever heard of suicides in the Kingdom. Has the teachings changed on the belief of a lost eternity for suicide? Suicide is a tragedy and a very sensitive subject. My heart bleeds for anyone that has experienced the loss of a loved one in this way. Which older workers taught that suicide led to a lost eternity? I've never heard this. In my experience, workers wouldn't classify it as an unforgivable sin. I've never heard a worker say or imply that suicide leads to a lost eternity. I think it is natural to wonder about suicide, it's the question - how can you repent for suicide when you are dead? People who think that way probably stigmatize mental illness as a weakness - which was common thinking before mental illness was understood. I heard an "older worker" at convention, during his testimony time, talk at length about the fact mental illness is an illness like any other. He included mental illness that ends up in suicide, and viewed suicide as the consequence of mental illness. There wasn't any way for anyone at that convention to conclude from what he said that "suicide led to a lost eternity". That convention was probably 15 years ago. @laverdad why are you continuously throwing this flavor of topic on the board? Just to keep a kettle of garbage at a rolling boil? Like to keep sniffing all the dirty laundry except your own? What you are doing is pretty transparent and it gets sickening.
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Post by julio on Jul 7, 2015 11:24:55 GMT -5
I heard an older worker a few years ago say, regarding a suicide victim "He's not responsible". Perhaps the old thinking goes back to days before mental health issues were understood, and the RCC buried them outside 'sanctified ground'?
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Post by hberry on Jul 7, 2015 11:58:28 GMT -5
I heard an older worker a few years ago say, regarding a suicide victim "He's not responsible". Perhaps the old thinking goes back to days before mental health issues were understood, and the RCC buried them outside 'sanctified ground'? You make a good point. I remember 'way back in the day' that I heard some doubts cast on the souls of those who had taken their own lives, but this an ancient memory, say 40 to 50 years ago. If my memory is correct, then the workers take on this has changed, as I've heard others reference the same comment you heard. Thankfully.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 17:07:27 GMT -5
The point was made that you couldn't be forgiven because you didn't have any time to be forgiven as it was the last thing you did. I am talking about before WW II when mental illness wasn't understood. I know a few old folks 75+ who question the souls of those who profess. I was taught as a child that suicide would lead to a lost eternity also. Not that I ever wanted to anyway!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 17:24:31 GMT -5
Sometimes at an inquest, a coroner will say that so and so took his/her life because the balance of their mind was disturbed. Suicide is rarely a rational response but who knows what any one of us might do if the balance of our mind was sufficiently disturbed. We don't have the right to make a judgement in these cases. The Lord fully understands the situation (we don't) and it is best to leave the matter in His kind and gracious hands.
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Post by anna on Jul 9, 2015 8:59:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 9:05:28 GMT -5
It's sad, too, that they "cover up" the stories of people who left the church. No juicy gossip! When I have asked them about so-and-so I get the standard routine, "What is that to you?" Think that is what Jesus said, too, when the apostles asked about Judas. Guess Jesus had a problem with being honest too.
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Post by xna on Jul 9, 2015 9:14:29 GMT -5
We were told indirectly, it was an aneurism. Have no reason to suspect otherwise.
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Post by xna on Jul 9, 2015 9:22:51 GMT -5
In the last year, I can think of 3 people who took their life in the kingdom. For a long time, you just hardly ever heard of suicides in the Kingdom. Has the teachings changed on the belief of a lost eternity for suicide? Bill Maher has a bit that suicide is central to the christian story. Sometime humor is the best tool to get at some uncomfortable truth's. www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0_mEg5OMvc
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Post by anna on Jul 9, 2015 10:38:12 GMT -5
We were told indirectly, it was an aneurism. Have no reason to suspect otherwise. Also heard it may have been Leukemia. Many rumors being passed around.
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Post by xna on Jul 9, 2015 11:08:51 GMT -5
We were told indirectly, it was an aneurism. Have no reason to suspect otherwise. Also heard it may have been Leukemia. Many rumors being passed around. Sad by any cause. 27 is too soon.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 14:29:31 GMT -5
When will the workers and friends learn that HONESTY is the best policy? Do they like speculations? Do they like the power off being in the known? Do they not realize how childish that is. That is not child like.
What do you think God thinks of their dishonesty?
All things hidden will be made known.
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Post by CherieKropp on Jul 9, 2015 18:45:40 GMT -5
A worker said regarding a professing Texas woman who walked into a pond and drowned herself that she had a sickness unto death. Unusual that both her mother and grandmother had also committed suicide--I dont know if they professed.
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Post by Scott Ross on Jul 9, 2015 22:09:18 GMT -5
The point was made that you couldn't be forgiven because you didn't have any time to be forgiven as it was the last thing you did. I am talking about before WW II when mental illness wasn't understood. I know a few old folks 75+ who question the souls of those who profess. I was taught as a child that suicide would lead to a lost eternity also. Not that I ever wanted to anyway! Kind of like dying in an accident, or dying of a heart attack etc. Unrepented sins hanging over the person that way as well.
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