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Post by maryhig on Jul 8, 2015 1:11:50 GMT -5
Snow I just see us as a part in the dust to dust process. Quite a miraculous transformation for a short period in time. All by the grace of God, or what you want that unknown power to be. So in the big scheme of things we hardly rate, although as it says in "Desiderata", we have a right to be here. Humans tend to get carried away by their own egos, and forget that we are only a piece of improved dirt. Redback, my mum says " we are just dust, but in the hands of the living God we are like gold dust, dust you'd throw away but gold dust you'd collect and hold on to" Following Jesus and bringing the word of God, is like bringing gold to people who's hearts are willing to take it in. And its not a gold to be buried but shared and this gold is more precious than anything else that you can receive in this world. It's the holy spirit of God bringing his wisdom to our hearts! And once we are living it out and sharing it, then we are like gold dust! We are the dust that houses the gold. And this gold is given to your heart for a price, not with money like the gold of the world. But with giving your heart to God!
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Jul 8, 2015 6:29:45 GMT -5
Post by bubbles on Jul 8, 2015 6:29:45 GMT -5
I dont see any hallucinations. Redback do you live in the outback? Did you see on the box last night how the chinese are buying up large chunks of farmland? Sorry Bubbles, unable to answer on this thread, would be ruled off topic. Psssst.. I thought there is no topic!
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Post by withlove on Jul 8, 2015 8:09:57 GMT -5
Snow I just see us as a part in the dust to dust process. Quite a miraculous transformation for a short period in time. All by the grace of God, or what you want that unknown power to be. So in the big scheme of things we hardly rate, although as it says in "Desiderata", we have a right to be here. Humans tend to get carried away by their own egos, and forget that we are only a piece of improved dirt. I like that. 'are only a piece of improved dirt'. Never heard it put quite that way before. That would make a great caption under a profile pic.
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Jul 8, 2015 8:14:15 GMT -5
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Post by withlove on Jul 8, 2015 8:14:15 GMT -5
Snow I just see us as a part in the dust to dust process. Quite a miraculous transformation for a short period in time. All by the grace of God, or what you want that unknown power to be. So in the big scheme of things we hardly rate, although as it says in "Desiderata", we have a right to be here. Humans tend to get carried away by their own egos, and forget that we are only a piece of improved dirt. Redback, my mum says " we are just dust, but in the hands of the living God we are like gold dust, dust you'd throw away but gold dust you'd collect and hold on to" Following Jesus and bringing the word of God, is like bringing gold to people who's hearts are willing to take it in. And its not a gold to be buried but shared and this gold is more precious than anything else that you can receive in this world. It's the holy spirit of God bringing his wisdom to our hearts! And once we are living it out and sharing it, then we are like gold dust! We are the dust that houses the gold. And this gold is given to your heart for a price, not with money like the gold of the world. But with giving your heart to God! Another good caption-- gold dust.
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Jul 9, 2015 12:24:18 GMT -5
Post by xna on Jul 9, 2015 12:24:18 GMT -5
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Jul 9, 2015 12:47:15 GMT -5
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Post by Mary on Jul 9, 2015 12:47:15 GMT -5
Religion is just an excuse, xna.
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Jul 9, 2015 13:17:53 GMT -5
Post by xna on Jul 9, 2015 13:17:53 GMT -5
Religion is just an excuse, xna. excuse for war, or CSA, or both?
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Jul 9, 2015 17:58:47 GMT -5
Post by snow on Jul 9, 2015 17:58:47 GMT -5
Well if religion is just an excuse for War it's a well used excuse. In the OT God ordered it and the annihilation of an entire tribe. So is war really just an excuse if God ordered it?
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Jul 9, 2015 18:20:01 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2015 18:20:01 GMT -5
In the OT God DID give us the symbol of war. He also gave the symbol of the "Chosen people" and "Promise Land" and "Captivity" and the "High Priest" and the "Sacrificial Lamb" and many others. But in Christianity we are not supposed to live by these symbols. Re war - we are not supposed to even allow the sun go down on our anger for a brother or sister.
Whoever uses God's name for war (such as Islam) does it at their own peril.
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Jul 9, 2015 19:59:01 GMT -5
Post by snow on Jul 9, 2015 19:59:01 GMT -5
In the OT God DID give us the symbol of war. He also gave the symbol of the "Chosen people" and "Promise Land" and "Captivity" and the "High Priest" and the "Sacrificial Lamb" and many others. But in Christianity we are not supposed to live by these symbols. Re war - we are not supposed to even allow the sun go down on our anger for a brother or sister.
Whoever uses God's name for war (such as Islam) does it at their own peril. So what changed God's mind about war? Yahweh was their god of war and he is still supposed to be the Christian God too, isn't he?
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Jul 10, 2015 0:29:13 GMT -5
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Post by rational on Jul 10, 2015 0:29:13 GMT -5
So what changed God's mind about war? Yahweh was their god of war and he is still supposed to be the Christian God too, isn't he? According to god s/he does not change. Malachi - For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.otherwise it would have been curtains for the sons of Jacob.
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Post by maryhig on Jul 10, 2015 3:27:18 GMT -5
In the OT God DID give us the symbol of war. He also gave the symbol of the "Chosen people" and "Promise Land" and "Captivity" and the "High Priest" and the "Sacrificial Lamb" and many others. But in Christianity we are not supposed to live by these symbols. Re war - we are not supposed to even allow the sun go down on our anger for a brother or sister.
Whoever uses God's name for war (such as Islam) does it at their own peril. So what changed God's mind about war? Yahweh was their god of war and he is still supposed to be the Christian God too, isn't he? Gods war is of the spirit, Paul said, our weapons of warfare are not carnal and they're not, because this is Gods armour Isaiah 59 For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke. Ephesians 6 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Everything is covering, the only weapon is the sword, which is the sword of the spirit, which is the word of God! Rational is right, God never changes, and he is a loving God, his war is against Satan and he wars with him in our hearts. Because and wants us to come back to him so he can cleanse us. And we start by following Jesus accepting him into our hearts, denying sin and allowing the holy spirit to do Gods works within us!
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Jul 10, 2015 7:23:04 GMT -5
Post by rational on Jul 10, 2015 7:23:04 GMT -5
Gods war is of the spirit, Paul said, our weapons of warfare are not carnal and they're not, because this is Gods armour The wars and acts described in the OT were not about a war of the spirit. The descriptions are about killing people and they are, in many cases, graphic. You might not like to think of the god of love demanding the slaughter of all of the living things but that is really what the bible claims, with a description that leaves no doubt. 1 Samuel 15Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.Not much room for ambiguity there.
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Post by maryhig on Jul 10, 2015 8:15:01 GMT -5
Gods war is of the spirit, Paul said, our weapons of warfare are not carnal and they're not, because this is Gods armour The wars and acts described in the OT were not about a war of the spirit. The descriptions are about killing people and they are, in many cases, graphic. You might not like to think of the god of love demanding the slaughter of all of the living things but that is really what the bible claims, with a description that leaves no doubt. 1 Samuel 15Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.Not much room for ambiguity there. Hi rational I don't believe that means literally killing them, I believe slaying is in this context Isaiah 11 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 2 Thessalonians 2 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders In other translations this verse in Thessalonians actually says slay! God wants to destroy Satan in the heart, and Jesus came and showed us how to do it and brought us God through the spirit. He came in the image is God. So through his life and word you see the heart of God. And if we follow him and live it, we will see and feel him in our hearts.
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Jul 10, 2015 11:31:19 GMT -5
Post by rational on Jul 10, 2015 11:31:19 GMT -5
The wars and acts described in the OT were not about a war of the spirit. The descriptions are about killing people and they are, in many cases, graphic. You might not like to think of the god of love demanding the slaughter of all of the living things but that is really what the bible claims, with a description that leaves no doubt. 1 Samuel 15Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.Not much room for ambiguity there. Hi rational :) I don't believe that means literally killing them, I believe slaying is in this context Can you point to any translation of 1 Samuel 15 that does not say that people and animals should be killed including nursing infants? Is there a definition of 'slay' you can find that does not mean to kill? Look at the words: Smite, utterly destroy, spare them not, slay. What do you think god was ordering them to do to the people? It doesn't sound like a love fest to me.
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Post by maryhig on Jul 10, 2015 12:52:03 GMT -5
Hi rational I don't believe that means literally killing them, I believe slaying is in this context Can you point to any translation of 1 Samuel 15 that does not say that people and animals should be killed including nursing infants? Is there a definition of 'slay' you can find that does not mean to kill? Look at the words: Smite, utterly destroy, spare them not, slay. What do you think god was ordering them to do to the people? It doesn't sound like a love fest to me. I see that differently to you, I just can't see God going against his own commandments I believe he wouldn't tell his people it was ok to naturally kill someone. I believe the only murder committed is at the hands of Satan through people who have that desire in their hearts. God said thou shalt not kill, and I believe he meant exactly that. He doesn't change. He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. And his heart was in Jesus. And Jesus took all that pain and suffering and showed love forgiveness! He showed us God through his life!
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Jul 10, 2015 13:11:22 GMT -5
Post by xna on Jul 10, 2015 13:11:22 GMT -5
I see that differently to you, I just can't see God going against his own commandments I believe he wouldn't tell his people it was ok to naturally kill someone. I believe the only murder committed is at the hands of Satan through people who have that desire in their hearts. God said thou shalt not kill, and I believe he meant exactly that. He doesn't change. He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. And his heart was in Jesus. And Jesus took all that pain and suffering and showed love forgiveness! He showed us God through his life! Remember the flood story? Here is a list dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html
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Jul 10, 2015 15:03:11 GMT -5
Post by emy on Jul 10, 2015 15:03:11 GMT -5
Just a small problem with this thread. When you score a like on a post, comes up in your notifications. You can just hit on the thread, and go straight to the post. Because this thread does not have a title, you have to go back to Recent Activity. Just a little concerned that this thread may go into oblivion, because it can't be found, could become a lost sheep. Oh well I guess nothing lost. Oh no! I was counting on it becoming "most replied to."
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Jul 10, 2015 15:09:19 GMT -5
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Post by emy on Jul 10, 2015 15:09:19 GMT -5
*Sigh* another thread off on a tangent
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Jul 10, 2015 15:32:40 GMT -5
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Post by rational on Jul 10, 2015 15:32:40 GMT -5
*Sigh* another thread off on a tangent :( Take cheer! The tangent of nothing is nothing! Just be glad it didn't take off at 90 o or we would have a definition problem!
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Post by maryhig on Jul 10, 2015 16:55:46 GMT -5
I see that differently to you, I just can't see God going against his own commandments I believe he wouldn't tell his people it was ok to naturally kill someone. I believe the only murder committed is at the hands of Satan through people who have that desire in their hearts. God said thou shalt not kill, and I believe he meant exactly that. He doesn't change. He is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. And his heart was in Jesus. And Jesus took all that pain and suffering and showed love forgiveness! He showed us God through his life! Remember the flood story? Here is a list dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.htmlBut, Gods people didn't kill anyone in the floods.
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Jul 10, 2015 17:19:10 GMT -5
Post by xna on Jul 10, 2015 17:19:10 GMT -5
But, Gods people didn't kill anyone in the floods. True, in the flood story god did the killing. Would you consider David one of "gods people"? If so, he did a lot of killing, and other barbaric things. 1 Samuel 18:27
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Jul 10, 2015 19:19:19 GMT -5
Post by snow on Jul 10, 2015 19:19:19 GMT -5
So what changed God's mind about war? Yahweh was their god of war and he is still supposed to be the Christian God too, isn't he? Gods war is of the spirit, Paul said, our weapons of warfare are not carnal and they're not, because this is Gods armour Isaiah 59 For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke. Ephesians 6 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Everything is covering, the only weapon is the sword, which is the sword of the spirit, which is the word of God! Rational is right, God never changes, and he is a loving God, his war is against Satan and he wars with him in our hearts. Because and wants us to come back to him so he can cleanse us. And we start by following Jesus accepting him into our hearts, denying sin and allowing the holy spirit to do Gods works within us! How do you explain the OT God ordering the Hebrews to kill all the men, women and male children and all their animals but leave the virgins to bring home? That sounds like a direct order from God and it's about an actual war, nothing spiritual about it at all. hmm I should have read on, Rational already addressed this and you already answered. So my question is if it was spiritual then why were animals involved in the utter annihilation? Also, God killed almost all of his creation in the Flood. How does that support his, Thou shalt not kill?
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Jul 10, 2015 19:22:15 GMT -5
Post by snow on Jul 10, 2015 19:22:15 GMT -5
*Sigh* another thread off on a tangent Don't worry I can fix that... unofficially and anonymously of course.
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Post by maryhig on Jul 10, 2015 19:57:10 GMT -5
But, Gods people didn't kill anyone in the floods. True, in the flood story god did the killing. Would you consider David one of "gods people"? If so, he did a lot of killing, and other barbaric things. 1 Samuel 18:27 I believe he slew them in the same way as I said before, with the spirit of God in his mouth. The foreskins removal in the old testament is the circumcision. And saul realised God was with David because of his strength in God!
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Jul 10, 2015 20:12:01 GMT -5
Post by jondough on Jul 10, 2015 20:12:01 GMT -5
Maryhig,
I'm curious how you kill an infant (suckling) spiritually?
Can you please explain this?
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Post by maryhig on Jul 10, 2015 20:20:25 GMT -5
Gods war is of the spirit, Paul said, our weapons of warfare are not carnal and they're not, because this is Gods armour Isaiah 59 For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke. Ephesians 6 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Everything is covering, the only weapon is the sword, which is the sword of the spirit, which is the word of God! Rational is right, God never changes, and he is a loving God, his war is against Satan and he wars with him in our hearts. Because and wants us to come back to him so he can cleanse us. And we start by following Jesus accepting him into our hearts, denying sin and allowing the holy spirit to do Gods works within us! How do you explain the OT God ordering the Hebrews to kill all the men, women and male children and all their animals but leave the virgins to bring home? That sounds like a direct order from God and it's about an actual war, nothing spiritual about it at all. hmm I should have read on, Rational already addressed this and you already answered. So my question is if it was spiritual then why were animals involved in the utter annihilation? Also, God killed almost all of his creation in the Flood. How does that support his, Thou shalt not kill? It's putting everything wrong to death, spiritually, Animals/beasts can also be seen as our beastly nature, and it has to go. As for the flood, it wasn't at the hands of his people, so thou shalt not kill, doesn't come into it. God gave life, so he can take it away. But I believe the floods have a deeper meaning also! Part of Isaiah 59 may give you an idea But I'm not getting into the all the deeper things of God on here. I believe the bible also has spiritual meanings, Jesus does say, those who have ears to hear, listen to what the spirit says. And they are revealed through the spirit into our hearts. And I still believe that God wouldn't go back on his commandments, he's a God of love. And I have complete faith in him!
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Jul 10, 2015 21:03:14 GMT -5
Post by xna on Jul 10, 2015 21:03:14 GMT -5
Maryhig,
I suspect most Christians accept killing in time of war, by using this verse.
Ecclesiastes 3:8 "a time to love, and a time to hate; a time for war, and a time for peace."
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