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Post by CherieKropp on Jul 2, 2015 16:39:00 GMT -5
Who is the current owner of McCordsville, IN convention?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 17:15:48 GMT -5
Some of the Helms clan. An adopted grandson of the late Harvey Helms? Convention has been there about a century.
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Post by Mary on Jul 2, 2015 17:24:05 GMT -5
Where were the conventions before then? I mean the workers go back to Jesus so where were they held in the 2 centuries before then? Or did it take while for the 'apostles' to get to America. Maybe the Gospel was already in the USA and the workers did not actually link back to Jesus like they claimed but they were started in the last century?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 2, 2015 17:55:36 GMT -5
Where were the conventions before then? I mean the workers go back to Jesus so where were they held in the 2 centuries before then? Or did it take while for the 'apostles' to get to America. Maybe the Gospel was already in the USA and the workers did not actually link back to Jesus like they claimed but they were started in the last century? They tried to get on the Mayflower, but the Puritans wouldn't let them on. They were so upset that they didn't try again until 1903 or thereabouts.
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Post by tom on Jul 3, 2015 6:52:23 GMT -5
Where were the conventions before then? I mean the workers go back to Jesus so where were they held in the 2 centuries before then? Or did it take while for the 'apostles' to get to America. Maybe the Gospel was already in the USA and the workers did not actually link back to Jesus like they claimed but they were started in the last century? Well hasnt Cherie got a copy of the workers lists back to Jesus day? I mean when you heard that 'the way goes back to Jesus time' surely that meant that there were copies of lists for proof. It couldnt possibly mean that the way to worship was established in Jesus time.-could it?
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Post by Mary on Jul 3, 2015 7:03:26 GMT -5
Interesting that. No workers before the 1900s or so. Pity the internet wasn't around 80 years ago or more so our ancestors could have searched the net for themselves and see that there was no truth in the story the workers made up that they go back to Jesus. They don't even go back as far as most churches. They're a relatively new group. The workers claimed it was their church that went back to Jesus not the way to worship. Christians know that the way to worship goes back to Jesus or even before that.
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Post by fred on Jul 3, 2015 7:16:38 GMT -5
Where were the conventions before then? I mean the workers go back to Jesus so where were they held in the 2 centuries before then? Or did it take while for the 'apostles' to get to America. Maybe the Gospel was already in the USA and the workers did not actually link back to Jesus like they claimed but they were started in the last century? Well hasnt Cherie got a copy of the workers lists back to Jesus day? I mean when you heard that 'the way goes back to Jesus time' surely that meant that there were copies of lists for proof. It couldnt possibly mean that the way to worship was established in Jesus time.-could it? What you heard and what you believed - therein lies the problem. A large percentage of the f&w believe the fellowship is 'the way', and so they believed that "this way was not founded by man and goes back to the shores of Galilee". Now if this was not the intended meaning of the speakers, why did they not correct this gross misunderstanding? Seems simple to me - they were quite happy with this misunderstanding by the flock, and it gave them a measure of plausible deniability. This little ploy is still being used by their apologists.
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Post by tom on Jul 3, 2015 7:29:42 GMT -5
Interesting that. No workers before the 1900s or so. Pity the internet wasn't around 80 years ago or more so our ancestors could have searched the net for themselves and see that there was no truth in the story the workers made up that they go back to Jesus. They don't even go back as far as most churches. They're a relatively new group. The workers claimed it was their church that went back to Jesus not the way to worship. All Christians know that the way to worship goes back to Jesus or even before that. Well it's interesting because I was brought up hearing that the way went back to Jesus time and I just understood that to mean that Jesus established the way we should worship so that is what we take our que from.So a few years ago when I started hearing people say 'Ive just found out that this way doesnt go right back to Jesus, it was started by William... Ive been had' I really couldnt believe it. Maybe Im too logical but I never got that idea from what I heard preached. Did people think that this way was traceable back to Jesus. As I sarcastically pointed out (whoops sorry), did people think there was a stack of workers list sitting somewhere. How could it be literally traced back that far. I couldn't care less if it started last week. If it follows the teachings of the bible and God reveals to you that it is right thats all that matters. Jesus established the way we should live, worship etc. I see it as: right is right no matter how many are doing it or for how long they have been doing it. Just my thoughts on the matter.
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Post by maryhig on Jul 3, 2015 7:37:45 GMT -5
Interesting that. No workers before the 1900s or so. Pity the internet wasn't around 80 years ago or more so our ancestors could have searched the net for themselves and see that there was no truth in the story the workers made up that they go back to Jesus. They don't even go back as far as most churches. They're a relatively new group. The workers claimed it was their church that went back to Jesus not the way to worship. All Christians know that the way to worship goes back to Jesus or even before that. Well it's interesting because I was brought up hearing that the way went back to Jesus time and I just understood that to mean that Jesus established the way we should worship so that is what we take our que from.So a few years ago when I started hearing people say 'Ive just found out that this way doesnt go right back to Jesus, it was started by William... Ive been had' I really couldnt believe it. Maybe Im too logical but I never got that idea from what I heard preached. Did people think that this way was traceable back to Jesus. As I sarcastically pointed out (whoops sorry), did people think there was a stack of workers list sitting somewhere. How could it be literally traced back that far. I couldn't care less if it started last week. If it follows the teachings of the bible and God reveals to you that it is right thats all that matters. Jesus established the way we should live, worship etc. I see it as: right is right no matter how many are doing it or for how long they have been doing it. Just my thoughts on the matter. Yes, it's following the way of Jesus and the holy spirit being passed from generation to generation as we take Christ into our hearts by hearing the word from Gods people, from the time of Jesus until now. William and others were not the only ones to receive it, Christ has been in bringing Gods spirit to Gods people for generations!
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Post by Mary on Jul 3, 2015 8:06:19 GMT -5
It doesn't sound logical does it Tom that someone would ask when did your church start that they would be told by Jesus unless you didn't understand English and thought they meant when did worship start.
There was no communication for people to know what workers lists were out there back then.
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Post by maryhig on Jul 3, 2015 8:17:04 GMT -5
It doesn't sound logical does it Tom that someone would ask when did your church start that they would be told by Jesus unless you didn't understand English and thought they meant when did worship start? But Mary wouldn't you say that all religions were started by a man, all churches, catholic, protestant etc. All of them, the religion you follow now was started by a man at sometime. That's why we have to follow Jesus to get it right, not religion. Religion in all forms has man's influence added in some way. Jesus is the only way. And the scriptures show us how to follow him. And when we let him in and follow him, then Gods holy spirit guides us. And that is for all Gods people who truly follow him! Not just who we decide belong to God. God knows who belongs to him. We just have to love him and live it out to show his love to others. I wouldn't dare judge anyone by their religion, Gods word through his people does that and also peoples own consciences.
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Post by Mary on Jul 3, 2015 8:22:29 GMT -5
The church consists of people. Christianity is the religion i believe in. Isnt it what you believe in? Church is a fellowship of believers who meet together. Christianity started with Jesus. You go to church but just you call it meeting. Another name, same thing. A group of believers met together.
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Post by maryhig on Jul 3, 2015 8:33:10 GMT -5
The church consists of people. Christianity is the religion i believe in. Isnt it what you believe in? Church is a fellowship of believers who meet together. Christianity started with Jesus. You go to church but just you call it meeting. Another name, same thing. A group of believers met together. That's exactly what the church is, it's not the building, or the religion, it's not just being a protestant or a catholic or a f&w or being people like me and going to a meeting, it's not just attending church on a Sunday, or saying we believe with our mouths, it's the people doing the will of God and following Christ and showing we believe through our lives. Loving God from the depths of our hearts, letting him in and living it out. Denying the flesh and the world. These are the church of God. These are his people!
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Post by Admin on Jul 3, 2015 8:36:35 GMT -5
Maryhig, it would be nice if you can attend one of the F&W conventions in your country. I feel sure you would be welcomed. Is there someone in Ireland who can give an invite?
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Post by Admin on Jul 3, 2015 8:37:55 GMT -5
Sorry, I think it's Wales. Am I right???
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Post by maryhig on Jul 3, 2015 8:41:04 GMT -5
Maryhig, it would be nice if you can attend one of the F&W conventions in your country. I feel sure you would be welcomed. Is there someone in Ireland who can give an invite? admin I'm not in Ireland, I'm in Wales And no I don't think there are and f&ws here. I've never heard of any anyway. But, I am happy where I am though. We have a good meeting, and God has blessed us. Thank you though
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Post by CherieKropp on Jul 3, 2015 9:28:31 GMT -5
Can anyone provide the NAMES of the current owners of McCordsville convention?
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Post by Admin on Jul 3, 2015 10:17:35 GMT -5
Maryhig, it would be nice if you can attend one of the F&W conventions in your country. I feel sure you would be welcomed. Is there someone in Ireland who can give an invite? admin I'm not in Ireland, I'm in Wales And no I don't think there are and f&ws here. I've never heard of any anyway. But, I am happy where I am though. We have a good meeting, and God has blessed us. Thank you though Sorry Maryhig, don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting that you should change your church. Rather, just that you would enjoy meeting kindred brothers and sisters in your sister church of the F&W. Just like you enjoy chatting with them here. I know that you would accept them in Christ, and I would hope many would accept you (in UK I think it's possible). I know you are happy in your fellowship church, with a strong relationship with God. That makes me happy! Blessings, admin
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Post by maryhig on Jul 3, 2015 10:54:29 GMT -5
I'm not in Ireland, I'm in Wales And no I don't think there are and f&ws here. I've never heard of any anyway. But, I am happy where I am though. We have a good meeting, and God has blessed us. Thank you though Sorry Maryhig, don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting that you should change your church. Rather, just that you would enjoy meeting kindred brothers and sisters in your sister church of the F&W. Just like you enjoy chatting with them here. I know that you would accept them in Christ, and I would hope many would accept you (in UK I think it's possible). I know you are happy in your fellowship church, with a strong relationship with God. That makes me happy! Blessings, admin Ah, I know you didn't mean that, and I would meet up with any of your people. But there aren't any near me. I definitely have a closeness to some on here. And agree with many things they have said. If I'm meant to meet anyone from your church, God will make it possible. Thank you for the thought God bless Mary
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Post by Admin on Jul 3, 2015 11:08:12 GMT -5
Ah, I know you didn't mean that, and I would meet up with any of your people. But there isn't any near me. I definitely have a closeness to some on here. And agree with many things they have said. If I'm meant to meet anyone from your church, God will make it possible. Thank you for the thought God bless Mary Mary, you have a wonderful spirit on here, a real peacemaker. And I just feel moved to say this, you are greatly loved! Thank you, admin
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Post by maryhig on Jul 3, 2015 11:23:38 GMT -5
Ah, I know you didn't mean that, and I would meet up with any of your people. But there isn't any near me. I definitely have a closeness to some on here. And agree with many things they have said. If I'm meant to meet anyone from your church, God will make it possible. Thank you for the thought God bless Mary Mary, you have a wonderful spirit on here, a real peacemaker. And I just feel moved to say this, you are greatly loved! Thank you, admin Blimey, I've just turned the colour of crimson! Jesus said, Mark 3 Who is my mother, or my brethren? And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother. I Believe from my heart that anyone that hears Gods word and does his will is my brother and my sister in God also that is as long as my heart remains right before God. And I know my heart would knit with those people. As it has with the people in our meeting. It would also with many of your people too!
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 3, 2015 17:30:18 GMT -5
The church consists of people. Christianity is the religion i believe in. Isnt it what you believe in? Church is a fellowship of believers who meet together. Christianity started with Jesus. You go to church but just you call it meeting. Another name, same thing. A group of believers met together. Mary, "church" also refers to the organization whether one likes it or not. You'll have to let others use it to mean that or you'll not communicate well with them.
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Post by Mary on Jul 3, 2015 17:38:19 GMT -5
Of course a church is an organised group of people. Call it an organisation if you like, but how do people get together unless someone organises the get together. The workers always claimed that they were not an organisation, yet they are highly organised with hierarchy from the top down and an organisation as much as any church group.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 3, 2015 18:10:00 GMT -5
Of course a church is an organised group of people. Call it an organisation if you like, but how do people get together unless someone organises the get together. The workers always claimed that they were not an organisation, yet they are highly organised with hierarchy from the top down and an organisation as much as any church group. And of course the word "church" is also the undisputed term for a Christian house of worship.
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Post by Mary on Jul 3, 2015 18:32:35 GMT -5
A building is where the people meet. Without any people there would not be church. There are plenty of buildings where people meet but it becomes church when there are a group of people who meet together for worship. Gospel meetings are held in a rented hall, they say they are going to meeting /church.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 0:56:24 GMT -5
Ah, I know you didn't mean that, and I would meet up with any of your people. But there isn't any near me. I definitely have a closeness to some on here. And agree with many things they have said. If I'm meant to meet anyone from your church, God will make it possible. Thank you for the thought God bless Mary Mary, you have a wonderful spirit on here, a real peacemaker. And I just feel moved to say this, you are greatly loved! Thank you, admin
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 4, 2015 1:43:30 GMT -5
A building is where the people meet. Without any people there would not be church. I know lots of churches (buildings) where no church (people) meet. They're still called churches. There are plenty of buildings where people meet but it becomes church when there are a group of people who meet together for worship. Gospel meetings are held in a rented hall, they say they are going to meeting /church. [/quote] So when people meet for worship in the high school auditorium, the building becomes a church? Not really -- in that case only the people meeting there are called a church. You're making it sound like transubstantiation.
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Post by Mary on Jul 4, 2015 1:53:29 GMT -5
I said it does not become a church, I said it is the people meeting that form the church. If in a hall or any place they say they are going to church. Any building where people gather to worship God. In the Bible when they were meeting in homes they said the church in 'Bob's' home.
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