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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 15:47:41 GMT -5
I once worked with a guy who complained about young men joining his church in order to get out of a prison sentence. Or at least they sought a reduced sentence. Do you think some younger 20 something guys have professed in order to get a reduced sentence? Once their records are clean, then they will leave the meetings.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 15:48:37 GMT -5
I've never heard of that happening where I am....
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Post by xna on Jun 27, 2015 15:52:45 GMT -5
I once worked with a guy who complained about young men joining his church in order to get out of a prison sentence. Or at least they sought a reduced sentence. Do you think some younger 20 something guys have professed in order to get a reduced sentence? Once their records are clean, then they will leave the meetings. Too much work & guilt to be 2x2, there are much easier sects to join, if that is your aim.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 16:05:22 GMT -5
I knew a certain ex-worker who labored under Ron Thompke wouldn't survive in the "work". If a young man has a criminal background and a rich elder vouches for his character, it could help the young man get a lighter sentence.
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Post by Greg on Jun 27, 2015 16:50:44 GMT -5
I once worked with a guy who complained about young men joining his church in order to get out of a prison sentence. Or at least they sought a reduced sentence. Do you think some younger 20 something guys have professed in order to get a reduced sentence? Once their records are clean, then they will leave the meetings. I do not know if church membership would be better than incarceration. Might depend on the church. I wonder what judges would consider doing that. Criminal: I'm going to join the Friends and Workers. Judge: Never heard of them. Criminal: How about the Jehovah Witness? Judge: Nope, too easy. Criminal: Scientology? Judge: Done! Defendant is to join Scientology and remain an active member for three years. Ten year prison sentence is stayed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 8:39:17 GMT -5
Criminals with connections to the Truth can learn terms and lingo. At least enough to get a wealthy elder to swear that little ex-convict guy has changed. And then the young person can offer for the work for a year or two so they can have a support group and community of friends during their transition time. And they leave the work. And in a year or two leave the fellowship. Then back in jail again. It happens in every faith. We are producing a culture where you can say you are sorry and get away with ju8st about anything. You just have to know how to play the system. I wonder how many ex-convicts who profess afterwards really do change their behavior? My cousin tried to profess a few times but he was always getting back in jail. There was a professing man in Indiana who lived in a prison like setting yet attended meetings every Sunday morning. I don't think prisons really rehabilitate but rather harden many criminals.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 8:41:34 GMT -5
The Truth is a closer knit family group than most churches out there. This worldwide network of open homes, potlucks etc. could be attractive to a socially depraved young thug. I could see how a thug with a professing granny might try to write spiritual stuff to his elder or overseer/workers on the staff in order to get a lighter sentence.
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Post by rational on Jul 1, 2015 11:36:28 GMT -5
The Truth is a closer knit family group than most churches out there. This worldwide network of open homes, potlucks etc. could be attractive to a socially depraved young thug. I could see how a thug with a professing granny might try to write spiritual stuff to his elder or overseer/workers on the staff in order to get a lighter sentence. And the young thug could attend the open pot luck gatherings and steal goods from the houses. Sounds like you have thought this through @laverdad.
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Post by magpie on Jul 2, 2015 1:14:53 GMT -5
Go and sin no more. The splinter and the beam. Set the prisoners free. The greatest street pastors and evangelists today are the reformed prisoners and criminals,adicts,abusers,bikies,just like Saul (Paul) was off to persecute more of Jesus followers and was there when Stephen the one of the seven deacons was stoned to death. (Stephen was on his own). They at last are jailing oodles of paedophiles in our State,including lately 2x Christian Convention workers. Why is the most important thing to find out the reason someone was homeless,poor,abused,depressed (like a CSA victim),been imprisoned,bonded on good behaviour,rejected (like happens if you question workers to hard over theology or CSA/adultry amongst them),SO now keep delivering to those lonely and cold the coffee and bagettes,till the day comes that you do it because they are and all,all,all those His little ones.There is never no hope.An elderly man that in the 1940's came home from service and his wife left him and their three children, and had gone off with another man. This elderly lovely man sat down one morning to write a letter to say he forgave her,life had been a hard struggle for him,three adult children now and lovely grandkids. He got me to post tyhe letter. Next morning we found he had peacefully passed away. People ,mostly, 2x2 relatives used to say to us,why do you bother with oldies,many of the same would ask is there a $$buck in it (isn't that sick) But over the 25 years of caring for those who could not care for themselves we found the most wonderfull answer,"remember the thief on the cross". David was a pretty bad boy on occasions too.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 2, 2015 1:24:35 GMT -5
I once worked with a guy who complained about young men joining his church in order to get out of a prison sentence. Or at least they sought a reduced sentence. Do you think some younger 20 something guys have professed in order to get a reduced sentence? Once their records are clean, then they will leave the meetings. I do not know if church membership would be better than incarceration. Might depend on the church. I wonder what judges would consider doing that. Criminal: I'm going to join the Friends and Workers. Judge: Never heard of them. Criminal: How about the Jehovah Witness? Judge: Nope, too easy. Criminal: Scientology? Judge: Done! Defendant is to join Scientology and remain an active member for three years. Ten year prison sentence is stayed. Mean judge. He knows what the Church of Scientology does to people when they mess up -- worse than jail.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 2, 2015 1:30:03 GMT -5
I knew a certain ex-worker who labored under Ron Thompke wouldn't survive in the "work". If a young man has a criminal background and a rich elder vouches for his character, it could help the young man get a lighter sentence. The only case I was involved in the workers were wanting the guy put away, so the locked him up instead of giving him probation that the prosecutor asked for. In the end, though, the judge discharged him early .... BECAUSE THE WHOLE CASE WAS MORE ABOUT CHURCH IN-FIGHTING THAN WHAT THE GUY HAD DONE ... and his accusers were ordered to stay away from him. However, the workers didn't respect that ruling at all. I wonder why.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 4:20:58 GMT -5
Criminals with connections to the Truth can learn terms and lingo. At least enough to get a wealthy elder to swear that little ex-convict guy has changed. And then the young person can offer for the work for a year or two so they can have a support group and community of friends during their transition time. And they leave the work. And in a year or two leave the fellowship. Then back in jail again. It happens in every faith. We are producing a culture where you can say you are sorry and get away with ju8st about anything. You just have to know how to play the system. I wonder how many ex-convicts who profess afterwards really do change their behavior? My cousin tried to profess a few times but he was always getting back in jail. There was a professing man in Indiana who lived in a prison like setting yet attended meetings every Sunday morning. I don't think prisons really rehabilitate but rather harden many criminals. Almost anything is possible in this world we live in , but this sounds very far fetched to me.
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Post by magpie on Jul 2, 2015 6:29:04 GMT -5
Kleptomania as paedophelia is a mental bisorder,there is habitual fellons and sex offenders. There is secular rehabilitation but the greatest rehabilitating formula was said by the greatest teacher of all when he said two different things one,thou shall not judge,and second,forgive seventy times seven. Not ostracise them they are still his little ones,arn't they? Your acceptance of those of socially unacceptable behaviour by showing Gods Love & Grace can touch the most hard of hearts. Do you ever ask a fellon why?what started your failures?.One day you say, "I" can tell you of the redeeming power of salvation shown to such as you in his last few hours nailed to a cross,he,the thief, is still spoken about he recognised Jesus,and Jesus didn't ignore him,what would you do if you yourself was nailed beside him as yourself facing eternity also,show compassion and mercy? We have fellowshiped with many reformed crooks,but yet to see a paedophile totally reformed,it is a mental disorder. Yes looking back then did scout around the toilet break kids,a few I would have broken the 4 minute mile to get away from if the followed me in,a change of clothing most likely would follow. Time proved many of us had reason.A persons mistakes or sins will last on the backbite gossip list,even after their death. An 80 year old lady who had a fling in her twenties with another married 2x2,after her funeral three times a various gatherings it was joked abouOH she and Mr X will be together again,giggle,giggle.. THAT IS FROM SICK UNCLEANED MINDS.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jul 2, 2015 9:40:06 GMT -5
The splinter and the beam. A cold callous compassionless cult. Reconcile that.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jul 2, 2015 9:43:04 GMT -5
Walker you are off your rocker on this thread. The premise is below the bottom of the barrel. Like in the septic tank.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2015 10:29:55 GMT -5
You have to show mercy and yet inform people of rehabilitated criminals. Jesse, you think it doesn't happen in "truth" as well as other churches? Go to church and get church bigwigs to get you out of your mess.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jul 2, 2015 10:42:28 GMT -5
Ok Walker, get specific - how many professing young men with criminal backgrounds do you know, or know of? Not saying there aren't any, just trying to figure out how big this problem of "young men with criminal backgrounds" professing, then hooking up with professing bigwigs, getting a reduced sentence, then leaving meetings, really is.
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Post by tom on Jul 3, 2015 7:52:29 GMT -5
Ok Walker, get specific - how many professing young men with criminal backgrounds do you know, or know of? Not saying there aren't any, just trying to figure out how big this problem of "young men with criminal backgrounds" professing, then hooking up with professing bigwigs, getting a reduced sentence, then leaving meetings, really is. Walker I think you must have been a gissip magazine journalist in your previous life. When I look down the list of thread topics and see the titles of the ones you have started I think.... woow Walker must be desperate for some gossip. Anyway I gues it keeps thngs ticking along even tho some of your statements are a little 'wild' (like any good goss magazine journalist)
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Post by Mary on Jul 3, 2015 7:59:45 GMT -5
Sounds like review in another coat.
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Post by tom on Jul 3, 2015 8:09:55 GMT -5
Sounds like review in another coat. Ha ha.. no Walker starts them , Review finishes them off!! Anyway I can tolerate them all as long as they dont whinge too much.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 8:13:56 GMT -5
It does happen. Some young guy in prison gets troubled and starts writing to the workers. He professes in prison and begins using professing lingo and maybe prays in front of his peers. I am forgiving IF they have really changed their lifestyle. If they are wanting to go free and plan to eventually return to their old ways again, then the whole thing is messed up.
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Post by magpie on Jul 5, 2015 17:48:28 GMT -5
G'day Jesse, You said to reconcile a couple of points. Gladly. A couple of examples The beam in the eye,must be the amount of damage done for decades by criminal Paedophiles infiltrated amongst the unbiblically demanded celibate ministry. The second point one would be the treatment of victims of such criminal CSA by supposed trusted ministers.Rememember a young worker was sacked in South Australia over laying a charge on on old trusty for his obvious sexual devience. Old trusty couldn't loose him people loved him-except his victims of course. If you want more reasons to reconcile those points I will list more,just ask
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 1:54:10 GMT -5
It does happen. Some young guy in prison gets troubled and starts writing to the workers. He professes in prison and begins using professing lingo and maybe prays in front of his peers. I am forgiving IF they have really changed their lifestyle. If they are wanting to go free and plan to eventually return to their old ways again, then the whole thing is messed up. you been out in space to long
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Post by magpie on Jul 6, 2015 18:41:43 GMT -5
G'day Virgo.. Poor Jesse cannot count to seventy times seven,it appears?
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Post by jondough on Jul 6, 2015 19:24:48 GMT -5
Actually, this happened in Wisconsin. A set of Friends met him in Prison while visiting someone else. Once he got out, it was "sionara" pretty quickly......
but.....Veeeeery rare.....and if it happended twice I'd be suprised.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Jul 6, 2015 20:37:09 GMT -5
G'day Jesse, You said to reconcile a couple of points. Gladly. A couple of examples The beam in the eye,must be the amount of damage done for decades by criminal Paedophiles infiltrated amongst the unbiblically demanded celibate ministry. The second point one would be the treatment of victims of such criminal CSA by supposed trusted ministers.Rememember a young worker was sacked in South Australia over laying a charge on on old trusty for his obvious sexual devience. Old trusty couldn't loose him people loved him-except his victims of course. If you want more reasons to reconcile those points I will list more,just ask No magpie, I meant reconcile your two statements. Isn't it a little hypocritical for you to preach splinter and beam then make a judgmental statement like "cold callous compassionless cult"? The splinter and the beam. A cold callous compassionless cult. Reconcile that.
Isn't a little hypocritical for you to preach "don't judge" then judge, and encourage Ross to remain blunt in his judgmental statements? That common awfull sickly saying,we heard so much, "HE/SHE IS NOT SAVED",what right?, and the other a great saying is "YOU SHALL NOT JUDGE"and it was written to keep us in line to Jesus teachings. . Yet that is exactly what you did here; "JESSE",you said blunt? OK,ROSS REMAIN "BLUNT",TO SAVE OTHERS FROM BLIND BONDAGE.
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Post by magpie on Jul 10, 2015 1:09:56 GMT -5
Jesse, I hope millions of prisoners find salvation. I have seen in street ministry the greatest violent bikie and gang members(jail was their second home)crying and asking for forgiveness,and later entering the water in baptism. these become the greatest evangelical preacher/teachers in a City...."they have been in the deepest depths". As Mr Eternity(known as) of Sydney said I went into the Street Mission (for such as homeless,abused,ex prisoners,paedophile victims as many of us ex2x2s became)to get cake and coffee and I left with the bread of life. Now as I and others mention the teacher is responsable for their student if taught a heresy and a compassionless attitude to the struggling and ostracised,the student if not enlightened to the real truth,God is judge of their heart,but if they know they are supporting or living a heresy then that is a sin I would think,between the individual and God. If you are blinded to the fact,not your fault,but the teacher. In this case exclusivism of Irvine doctorine is both judgemental and compassionless as it believes that the christians executed by ISIS were not saved. If you dont believe that of course you will ask God to show what you should do or think to escape this cultish environment. So it appears the 2x2s shouldnt sing Amazing Grace as it was written by a saved slave trader who was the cause of many deaths and inhuman treatment of a race classed as animals of burden?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 7:05:48 GMT -5
I also wish the best for prisoners. But I know some use religion as a way of getting a reduced sentence. I think the friends need to know their past for their own safety. They need to accept their new ex-convict brothers yet be a bit cautious. Seems like prisons don't rehabilitate very often as ex-cons often return to the prison. I think some people need the structure and planning that prison life brings.
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