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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 7:00:36 GMT -5
That's nice, Virgo. I will remember this. Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 13:28:23 GMT -5
This is fine for those not permanently crippled from such damage as has been done to them. For those unfortunate souls, every moment of every day involves overcoming memories and injury. Perhaps because of empathy, or even common experience, my heart goes out to such victims.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 17:05:21 GMT -5
This is fine for those not permanently crippled from such damage as has been done to them. For those unfortunate souls, every moment of every day involves overcoming memories and injury. Perhaps because of empathy, or even common experience, my heart goes out to such victims. and still the grace of God abounds for all
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 17:14:06 GMT -5
Remember, my kiwi friend, that grace given us so freely depends upon us to give it just as freely to others, IF God's work is to continue in this world.
Now, naturally, that does not imply one is to just "shut up" nor "look the other way" when someone cries out because of injury by the supposedly Godly.
Nor does it mean one is to just forever endure innuendo or false accusation.
May every one find the courage to fully identify themselves with their words.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 19:11:28 GMT -5
We have the choice in all experiences in life to allow them to make us better or bitter.
Sometimes the better part takes a little time, but it sure makes life much more enjoyable.
I worked for years in physical therapy. I found that some of the people that had the most physical pain where the most pleasant patients to take care off. They did not let the unfairness of life rob them of the joy of living.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2015 21:57:12 GMT -5
As there is nothing else we can do for her here, WE Remember her before our God constantly...
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Post by bubbles on Jun 25, 2015 7:32:16 GMT -5
I was told a beautiful story yesterday. A woman had bowl cancer operation chemo radio therapy. She kept telling her hubby dont worry God will heal me. This went on for some time. When she went for her check up the cancer has gone. They go to Salvation Army. Another account of Gods grace. Her faith made her whole. Evidence? Maybe in the future. Not right now.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 25, 2015 16:30:37 GMT -5
I was told a beautiful story yesterday. A woman had bowl cancer operation chemo radio therapy. She kept telling her hubby dont worry God will heal me. This went on for some time. When she went for her check up the cancer has gone. They go to Salvation Army. Another account of Gods grace. Her faith made her whole. Evidence? Maybe in the future. Not right now. I don't suppose that the "operation + chemo radio therapy" would have had anything to do with the cancer's departure .
Nah, of course not! What was I thinking?
All those "scientists" working for so many years to find that therapy for cancer was unnecessary.
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Jun 25, 2015 20:33:23 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 20:33:23 GMT -5
Dmg, to my way of thinking, so far from yours, they both had something to do with it.
Before my over eight hours of open heart surgery, I told my kind heart surgeon from India, "sir, I have prayed to my God, not for mysel, as I have had a full life, but for you and your staff that nothing will happen to cause any of you remorse. That you will all be "on top of your game" able to perform and recall everything necessary to the best of your abilities."
He told me none over his long carrier had ever told him such a thing, thanked me profusely, and said he was going to relate what I told him to all of his staff. They certainly were a fine staff!
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Jun 25, 2015 20:47:41 GMT -5
Post by dmmichgood on Jun 25, 2015 20:47:41 GMT -5
Dmg, to my way of thinking, so far from yours, But had you neede Before my over eight hours of open heart surgery, I told my kind heart surgeon from India, "sir, I have prayed to my God, not for mysel, as I have had a full life, but for you and your staff that nothing will happen to cause any of you remorse. That you will all be "on top of your game" able to perform and recall everything necessary to the best of your abilities."
He told me none over his long carrier had ever told him such a thing, thanked me profusely, and said he was going to relate what I told him to all of his staff. They certainly were a fine staff! Never-the-less, Dennis, had you needed that heart surgery in the days when I was a nurse training at the U of Illinois, god would have let you die. We had a 12 year old girl who was dying from heart failure. There was no "kind heart surgeon from India," or anywhere else there to save her. God let her die.
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Jun 25, 2015 21:13:55 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 21:13:55 GMT -5
Of course you are right, dmg, she died, so blame that on God for letting it happen?
Well, I don't, and I am pretty sure you don't neither!
Very hot day here today. Blame that on God, too? I don't, and once again I am sure you do not either, so we agree on that!
Dmg, we are just not in agreement on this God issue. I know that. Have I ever fought you or anyone else on this issue?
You have always been kind to me, and you know what, not only do I thank you for that, but I also have thanked my God for any kindness from you...and anyone else! Smile!
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Post by dmmichgood on Jun 26, 2015 0:06:22 GMT -5
Of course you are right, dmg, she died, so blame that on God for letting it happen?
Well, I don't, and I am pretty sure you don't neither!
Very hot day here today. Blame that on God, too? I don't, and once again I am sure you do not either, so we agree on that!
Dmg, we are just not in agreement on this God issue. I know that. Have I ever fought you or anyone else on this issue?
You have always been kind to me, and you know what, not only do I thank you for that, but I also have thanked my God for any kindness from you...and anyone else! Smile! Of course you are right, dmg, she died, so blame that on God for letting it happen?
Well, I don't, and I am pretty sure you don't neither!
Very hot day here today. Blame that on God, too? I don't, and once again I am sure you do not either, so we agree on that!
Dmg, we are just not in agreement on this God issue. I know that. Have I ever fought you or anyone else on this issue?
You have always been kind to me, and you know what, not only do I thank you for that, but I also have thanked my God for any kindness from you...and anyone else! Smile! Well, one can't just give god the credit without realizing the other side as well, eh?
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Post by bitterbetty on Jul 7, 2015 14:48:21 GMT -5
I am glad that virgo started this thread on healing... Thought I would bring it back around. I meant to add to this thread when it was first posted, but I got side-tracked. (Who me? Side-tracked? Never... ) Anyways, with regards to HEALING: I think one of the biggest problems that people face in healing is simply not being given enough TIME to heal thoroughly and completely. And, perhaps one the areas of healing that is often cut short is that of GRIEVING. Yes, grief requires healing, because when one needs to grieve one has been hurt by loss.
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Post by hberry on Jul 7, 2015 15:02:16 GMT -5
I am glad that virgo started this thread on healing... Thought I would bring it back around. I meant to add to this thread when it was first posted, but I got side-tracked. (Who me? Side-tracked? Never... ) Anyways, with regards to HEALING: I think one of the biggest problems that people face in healing is simply not being given enough TIME to heal thoroughly and completely. And, perhaps one the areas of healing that is often cut short is that of GRIEVING. Yes, grief requires healing, because when one needs to grieve one has been hurt by loss. Yes, and grief can catch you off guard when you least expect it.
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Post by bitterbetty on Jul 7, 2015 15:21:43 GMT -5
I am glad that virgo started this thread on healing... Thought I would bring it back around. I meant to add to this thread when it was first posted, but I got side-tracked. (Who me? Side-tracked? Never... ) Anyways, with regards to HEALING: I think one of the biggest problems that people face in healing is simply not being given enough TIME to heal thoroughly and completely. And, perhaps one the areas of healing that is often cut short is that of GRIEVING. Yes, grief requires healing, because when one needs to grieve one has been hurt by loss. Yes, and grief can catch you off guard when you least expect it. Yes, so true... You thought you were 'over' something...but then something can come up that is like a 'TRIGGER' and can start the grieving again. I don't know if you ever get over losing someone you love...
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Post by hberry on Jul 7, 2015 15:24:41 GMT -5
Yes, and grief can catch you off guard when you least expect it. Yes, so true... You thought you were 'over' something...but then something can come up that is like a 'TRIGGER' and can start the grieving again. I don't know if you ever get over losing someone you love... I wonder if you do. Mom passed away last September, and what trips me up are not the obvious things like Mother's Day or her birthday, it is wanting to call to tell her something and realizing I can't.
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Post by jondough on Jul 7, 2015 15:24:48 GMT -5
I agree with the OP, and I'm sure that most people do. I'm sure that most people that have been hurt want to get to this point as well.
That being said, one thing that I think is so calloused is when someone that hasn't been hurt in the same way someone else has, decides they know how fast this person should heal. Even if they have been through it, no two people are alike.
Having suddenly and tragically lost someone very close to me, I can tell you that myself, and the rest of everyone close to who we lost all healed in different times and manners. Some will never be the same, but they have learned to live on and enjoy life. For me to say that I even begin to understand the hurt they have suffered is ignorant. I can only understand my own pain and hurt. I healed pretty quickly, but to expect the others to heal as quick as I did would be ignorant. For those that have never been through a tragic loss to claim they understand or even have any idea what the healing time should be would be even more ignorant.
This would go for most any emotional pain or hurt.
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Post by bitterbetty on Jul 7, 2015 15:52:59 GMT -5
Yes, so true... You thought you were 'over' something...but then something can come up that is like a 'TRIGGER' and can start the grieving again. I don't know if you ever get over losing someone you love... I wonder if you do. Mom passed away last September, and what trips me up are not the obvious things like Mother's Day or her birthday, it is wanting to call to tell her something and realizing I can't. I am very sorry for your loss and can relate. My dad passed away sort of suddenly 2 & 1/2 years ago and I miss just being able to call him up and talk...He had his faults and short-comings, as we all do, but there has never been any doubt that he loved his family so much and was very proud of all his kids... Perhaps more perplexing for me is watching my mom grieve for him. She still misses him so much and feels such an emptiness with him gone. She's been depressed, even though she still has much to live for... She misses her main support person. I try to imagine what it would be like to lose a 50+ year love of your life relationship. It's definitely harder for her than I thought it would be....
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Jul 7, 2015 16:04:01 GMT -5
Post by bitterbetty on Jul 7, 2015 16:04:01 GMT -5
"Love Can Build A Bridge"
(The Judds) www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pqGOf_V2T4"Love Can Build A Bridge" I'd gladly walk across the desert With no shoes upon my feet To share with you the last bite Of bread I had to eat I would swim out to save you In your sea of broken dreamsWhen all your hopes are sinkin' Let me show you what love means [Chorus] Love can build a bridge Between your heart and mine Love can build a bridge Don't you think it's time? Don't you think it's time? I would whisper love so loudly Every heart could understand That love and only love Can join the tribes of man I would give my heart's desire So gladly you might see The first step is to realize That it all begins with you and me [Repeat Chorus] When we stand together It's our finest hour We can do anything, anything If we believe in the Power[Repeat Chorus] Love and only love Love and only love
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Jul 7, 2015 16:38:48 GMT -5
Post by hberry on Jul 7, 2015 16:38:48 GMT -5
I wonder if you do. Mom passed away last September, and what trips me up are not the obvious things like Mother's Day or her birthday, it is wanting to call to tell her something and realizing I can't. I am very sorry for your loss and can relate. My dad passed away sort of suddenly 2 & 1/2 years ago and I miss just being able to call him up and talk...He had his faults and short-comings, as we all do, but there has never been any doubt that he loved his family so much and was very proud of all his kids... Perhaps more perplexing for me is watching my mom grieve for him. She still misses him so much and feels such an emptiness with him gone. She's been depressed, even though she still has much to live for... She misses her main support person. I try to imagine what it would be like to lose a 50+ year love of your life relationship. It's definitely harder for her than I thought it would be.... Thank you. My Dad passed away 7 years before Mom did, and she was lonely with him gone. She said sometimes that she'd feel something in the room with her, but she'd turn and no one was there, and sheets brushing her shoulders at night made her think of Dad. She did amazingly well, but she was often mentioned that the evenings were so long by herself. They had 60+ years. I feel for your Mom; it has to be harder than we might imagine until the shoe is on our own foot.
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Jul 7, 2015 16:47:18 GMT -5
Post by bitterbetty on Jul 7, 2015 16:47:18 GMT -5
I am very sorry for your loss and can relate. My dad passed away sort of suddenly 2 & 1/2 years ago and I miss just being able to call him up and talk...He had his faults and short-comings, as we all do, but there has never been any doubt that he loved his family so much and was very proud of all his kids... Perhaps more perplexing for me is watching my mom grieve for him. She still misses him so much and feels such an emptiness with him gone. She's been depressed, even though she still has much to live for... She misses her main support person. I try to imagine what it would be like to lose a 50+ year love of your life relationship. It's definitely harder for her than I thought it would be.... Thank you. My Dad passed away 7 years before Mom did, and she was lonely with him gone. She said sometimes that she'd feel something in the room with her, but she'd turn and no one was there, and sheets brushing her shoulders at night made her think of Dad. She did amazingly well, but she was often mentioned that the evenings were so long by herself. They had 60+ years. I feel for your Mom; it has to be harder than we might imagine until the shoe is on our own foot. Yes. Mmmmm. My mom is going similar things that you have described. She has said that she felt my dad come to her at night and just hold her.
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Jul 7, 2015 17:01:22 GMT -5
Post by kurtzphil69 on Jul 7, 2015 17:01:22 GMT -5
One thing that grieves me is when folks are not given enough time and space to grieve. No, I'm not talking about a person wallowing in their grief forever kind of thing, although that happens too. I am thinking more along the lines of being rushed through the grieving process and not getting the support you need when you have a loss. "Friends" who sort of abandon you and are just not really there for you...it can feel like you are on your own. And don't know how to remedy that. If someone is not there for you they are just not there for you and there is not much you can do about it. I guess that is where the cowboy rides away....(metaphor)
Also, there is this sort of "double grief" that can happen for a lot of folks. Not only do they grieve the loss of a loved one, but they also find themselves grieving all the things they wished that relationship could have been while that person was alive. Maybe while that person is still alive they feel there is chance to make the relationship what it should be. Then, when person dies they realize there will be no more opportunities...so they are grieving BOTH for the loss of the life of the loved one and also for the loss of what might have been.
Now, we can tell a person over and over that they need to move on and put the past behind them. That's true enough. "There's no sense in wishing for what might have been that never will be,", etc, etc. But telling someone that does not seem to bring true healing...instead, it can just cause a person to "skip over" certain steps of the grieving process. Just a few more thoughts. The grieving process is not over until it's over...
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Jul 7, 2015 17:12:52 GMT -5
Post by kurtzphil69 on Jul 7, 2015 17:12:52 GMT -5
"The Cowboy Rides Away"
I knew the stakes were high right from the start. When she dealt the cards, I bet my heart. Now I just found a game that I can't play, And this is where the cowboy rides away.
[Chorus:] And my heart is sinking like the setting sun, Setting on the things I wish I'd done. It's time to say goodbye to yesterday. This is where the cowboy rides away.
We've been in and out of love and in-between. And now we play the final showdown scene. As the credits roll a sad song starts to play, And this is where the cowboy rides away.
[Chorus:] And my heart is sinking like a setting sun, Setting on the things I wish I'd done. Oh the last goodbye's the hardest one to say, And this is where the cowboy rides away.
Oh the last goodbye's the hardest one to say. This is where the cowboy rides away.
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Post by bitterbetty on Jul 7, 2015 17:20:21 GMT -5
At this juncture, I want to point out that any kind of loss can cause grief.
For the victim of CSA, there are MANY losses to grieve for: loss of innocence, loss of TRUST, etc...and LACK of help and advocacy is also a type of loss. So, the victim of CSA could be grieving several different types of losses simultaneously. Ouch.
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Jul 7, 2015 17:22:21 GMT -5
Post by bitterbetty on Jul 7, 2015 17:22:21 GMT -5
"The Cowboy Rides Away" I knew the stakes were high right from the start. When she dealt the cards, I bet my heart. Now I just found a game that I can't play, And this is where the cowboy rides away. [Chorus:] And my heart is sinking like the setting sun, Setting on the things I wish I'd done. It's time to say goodbye to yesterday. This is where the cowboy rides away. We've been in and out of love and in-between. And now we play the final showdown scene. As the credits roll a sad song starts to play, And this is where the cowboy rides away. [Chorus:] And my heart is sinking like a setting sun, Setting on the things I wish I'd done. Oh the last goodbye's the hardest one to say, And this is where the cowboy rides away. Oh the last goodbye's the hardest one to say.This is where the cowboy rides away. I like that song and love George Strait. But, for many it is NOT simply a matter of 'riding away.' Sometimes, I wish it were....
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Jul 7, 2015 18:16:57 GMT -5
"The Cowboy Rides Away" I knew the stakes were high right from the start. When she dealt the cards, I bet my heart. Now I just found a game that I can't play, And this is where the cowboy rides away. [Chorus:] And my heart is sinking like the setting sun, Setting on the things I wish I'd done. It's time to say goodbye to yesterday. This is where the cowboy rides away. We've been in and out of love and in-between. And now we play the final showdown scene. As the credits roll a sad song starts to play, And this is where the cowboy rides away. [Chorus:] And my heart is sinking like a setting sun, Setting on the things I wish I'd done. Oh the last goodbye's the hardest one to say, And this is where the cowboy rides away. Oh the last goodbye's the hardest one to say.This is where the cowboy rides away. I like that song and love George Strait. But, for many it is NOT simply a matter of 'riding away.' Sometimes, I wish it were.... HUH! Yeah, yeah, yeah, we all know that! Maybe riding away is the easy way out. But, maybe not. "Riding away" can be painful, and not always running from your problems. Consider this: There are those cases in which riding away is the most VIABLE option at the time. Fact of the matter is I've been in and out of many situations before and that doesn't make me an expert by no means, but what it taught is that we are given certain options, right? Sometimes the best option is going to sticking it out and making it work. Other options are when you can ride away with what is left of your soul, heart, and sanity. Yes, there ARE times when you need to "ride away". Get out of certain situations. This does not always equate with "running from your problems". What happens when a person has no more options?
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