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Post by snow on Jul 1, 2015 20:56:11 GMT -5
Agreed, regarding healing and pain relief. Studies have shown that people who are hurt, injured, or just had surgery heal better when their pain is well managed. [/dealing with physical pain takes a lot of energy. Eliminating the pain means more resources are available for physical healing. Interested to see what ideas you have about relieving emotional pain. I am laboring with an understanding that emotional pain is another way to say 'hurt feelings'. Getting rid of 'emotional pain' will improve a person's well being. Unfortunately many people feel the need to reflect on painful experiences, going over events in their minds, trying to sort out the emotional experience but instead of relief end up angrier and more agitated with the details of the event potentially becoming more distorted with every recall. The urge to ruminate needs to be curtailed. Brooding about past slights/injuries accomplishes nothing. I pretty much agree with that, though sometimes easier said than done. Only the person that has these issues can find the solution for them though imo. They and they alone need to come to the understanding that letting it all go and getting on with life is what will be healing in the long run. Then there is the issue of medications that cause depression. Or chronic pain. I know from personal experience that it can wear you down to a place where everything seems overwhelming and it takes a lot of strength to just let it all go and work your way back up.
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Post by bitterbetty on Jul 2, 2015 14:00:42 GMT -5
Agreed, regarding healing and pain relief. Studies have shown that people who are hurt, injured, or just had surgery heal better when their pain is well managed. [/dealing with physical pain takes a lot of energy. Eliminating the pain means more resources are available for physical healing. Interested to see what ideas you have about relieving emotional pain. I am laboring with an understanding that emotional pain is another way to say 'hurt feelings'. Getting rid of 'emotional pain' will improve a person's well being. Unfortunately many people feel the need to reflect on painful experiences, going over events in their minds, trying to sort out the emotional experience but instead of relief end up angrier and more agitated with the details of the event potentially becoming more distorted with every recall. The urge to ruminate needs to be curtailed. Brooding about past slights/injuries accomplishes nothing. Thanks, rational. I agree. And, I also agree that ruminating and brooding gets us nowhere expect maybe stuck with a bunch of negative feelings. There is something beautiful about being able to let the negative go and move on.
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Post by bitterbetty on Jul 2, 2015 14:15:23 GMT -5
When I had major abdominal surgery a few years back I remember the nurses talking to me about healing. They informed me that I needed to eat a good diet with plenty of protein, get plenty of fluids and rest. They also reminded me that if I was having too much pain, I wouldn't rest and heal up like I should. I was reluctant to ask for pain meds; worried about becoming addicted, etc. But, neither was it good to be laying there in pain. I just could NOT relax while having so much pain. I couldn't get comfortable. Finally I asked for and was given more pain med and it was such a relief! I didn't realize how much I was hurting until the pain was lessened. I was then able to rest and felt better because of it.
Could something similar occur with emotional/mental pain? Traumatic experiences? I think so. Maybe it is that folks who are hurting emotionally and/or mentally need PAIN RELIEF! When they receive pain relief, they can perhaps take a much needed rest from the turmoil and grief they are trying to process. Now, if I can just figure out what a person can do to give emotional/mental pain relief, I might be in business. Could it be that a person cannot truly forgive or find it difficult to forgive while they are still in so much pain?
A searching question! What can be done to ease the pain/suffering in someone who has emotional, spiritual, mental wound(s)? I'm going to think about this and get back to it. Since you have not gotten back to this, I will start: One of the first and most common things a person does to relieve emotional pain is to turn to substances that alter the brain, such as drugs and alcohol. I think most of us have done just that from time to time. Those substances can take a person's mind off their troubles, but it is short-lived and when the drug wears off one is back to where they started. I don't judge others for doing that, I feel for them. But that is a very unhealthy way to deal/cope. Those substances alter the brains chemistry and can compound the problem. Another way and becoming more common is the use of prescribed medications such as antidepressants, etc. Some people have a hard time sleeping at night because of memories and thoughts that just don't seem to go away and let them sleep. So, the use of sleeping pills is also becoming more common. Many folks, however have turned to things they love such as music, hobbies, crafts, reading to take their mind off the negative. I would encourage anyone to find something they love and get into that. I've turned to music so many times and whenever I have pulled out my old guitar and sang and played for awhile, I always feel better because of it. It's like therapy for me. It helped get me through nursing school and being able to play and sing/harmonize with my sister who was also going through nursing school was a very SWEET time in my life that I will treasure always. Fitness is also a form of meditation for me. Especially fitness in the outdoors as I connect with the earth and sky. I always feel better after I have exercised. It's not just good for my body, it is good for my mind. These are just a few of the first thoughts that I have on how to relieve emotional pain. There are other things one can do/say....
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Post by bitterbetty on Jul 2, 2015 14:30:46 GMT -5
Getting rid of 'emotional pain' will improve a person's well being. Unfortunately many people feel the need to reflect on painful experiences, going over events in their minds, trying to sort out the emotional experience but instead of relief end up angrier and more agitated with the details of the event potentially becoming more distorted with every recall. The urge to ruminate needs to be curtailed. Brooding about past slights/injuries accomplishes nothing. I pretty much agree with that, though sometimes easier said than done. Only the person that has these issues can find the solution for them though imo. They and they alone need to come to the understanding that letting it all go and getting on with life is what will be healing in the long run. Then there is the issue of medications that cause depression. Or chronic pain. I know from personal experience that it can wear you down to a place where everything seems overwhelming and it takes a lot of strength to just let it all go and work your way back up. Perhaps this has a lot to do with finding a way to train your line of thinking. The things that happened in the past can plague our thoughts. How to get rid of that? Maybe try and think about something else. I like what Child of God wrote about switching your focus from the past to the future and (I will say) to the present. Like you say, snow, this is easier said than done. Some memories are awful stubborn. But each new day brings an opportunity to do something you love.. .
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Post by Child of God on Jul 7, 2015 17:26:03 GMT -5
Catching up on the thread... some good thoughts brought out... yes we heal from inside out... bandages need to be changed often and wound cleaned. Thinking of this as I read the above comments, I thought of how I got through the incident myself. Mental and emotional pain is not something that is just going to go away with a drug or diet or temporary relief product. It will take time for the healing process to be complete. The thing is that what we need as mentioned above is the right diet and exercise. I found the exercise is the reading and praying and fellowship that keeps the mind occupied and growing in the right direction. Probably one of the hardest things was to go to meeting and taking part. It took a few months to be able to take part without breakin down.
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Post by bitterbetty on Jul 7, 2015 17:49:46 GMT -5
Catching up on the thread... some good thoughts brought out... yes we heal from inside out... bandages need to be changed often and wound cleaned. Thinking of this as I read the above comments, I thought of how I got through the incident myself. Mental and emotional pain is not something that is just going to go away with a drug or diet or temporary relief product. It will take time for the healing process to be complete. The thing is that what we need as mentioned above is the right diet and exercise. I found the exercise is the reading and praying and fellowship that keeps the mind occupied and growing in the right direction. Probably one of the hardest things was to go to meeting and taking part. It took a few months to be able to take part without breakin down. Thx for what you have shared, COG... You've got me thinking about "breaking down". And as hard as it can be to go through and as (embarassing) as it can be to break down in front of others and as EXPOSED as it can make you feel, I still believe that breaking down opens doors...another thing that breaking down does is it tends to dispel pride. When a person is broken, they are usually not proud, even as painful as it is to be broken. For, something happens then: we begin to learn to trust in something besides ourself.
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Post by Child of God on Jul 7, 2015 18:11:53 GMT -5
Thx for what you have shared, COG...
You've got me thinking about "breaking down". And as hard as it can be to go through and as (embarassing) as it can be to break down in front of others and as EXPOSED as it can make you feel, I still believe that breaking down opens doors...another thing that breaking down does is it tends to dispel pride. When a person is broken, they are usually not proud, even as painful as it is to be broken.
For, something happens then: we begin to learn to trust in something besides ourself. That is so true. In that state we can start growing. We also learn to pray for others because we start understanding what they are going through when we see it.
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Post by bitterbetty on Jul 7, 2015 18:36:19 GMT -5
That is so true. In that state we can start growing. We also learn to pray for others because we start understanding what they are going through when we see it. Thx COG... I don't know what it is about pride that is so hard to get rid of!?! Pride can be so tenacious and stubborn. It's almost as if we feel we are giving up something of our self that we cannot live without when we think of letting go of pride. Perhaps if it were left up to us, we would opt to NEVER let go of pride...(however) things can happen in life that bring us to our knees and sort of force that hand, so to speak...and we find our self finally letting go of pride, not through our own will, (because our own will would have us hanging onto pride indefinitely), but in relinquishing our will to the Will of the Father, we can finally let go of pride.
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Post by bitterbetty on Jul 7, 2015 19:35:19 GMT -5
Unfortunately, in our world today, 'breaking down' and/or being 'broken' has a negative connotation. It is viewed as being weak, inept and pathetic. The world highly views being strong. The strong are revered...
But, in the spiritual sense, being broken and contrite is a beautiful and WORKABLE place to be in.
I have pondered on the state that David was in when he wrote Psalm 51. Look what came out of his 'brokenness"...
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Post by bitterbetty on Jul 7, 2015 21:54:03 GMT -5
Getting back to Psalm 51:verse 8-Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.
One of my first thoughts as I read this today was, "How on earth can broken bones rejoice?!" But that seems to be what David was praying for...so I'm guessing he must have felt God was capable of taking broken bones and bring about some rejoicing from it all...
Our God is an awesome God. No, He doesn't just leave us broken. But is ready and able to bind up that which is broken and bring healing and then, so much more. (it doesn't stop there). It leads to REJOICING. The Lord can turn brokenness into rejoicing. Mmmmm I like that thought.
What is REJOICING? [There is much in Scripture about rejoicing.] It is a study all its own...
Here is a common definition:
to be glad; take delight (often followed by in): to rejoice in another's happiness. to make joyful; gladden: a song to rejoice the heart.
David turned much of his brokenness into songs/Psalms.
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Jul 7, 2015 22:48:46 GMT -5
Life happens. Things go wrong. Forgiveness and healing are needed. I usually forgive myself LAST. I don't know if this is the way it just is with lots of people...but it seems to be how it is with me. Why? Yes, it is often unforgiveness that keeps us fettered from being able to move on...so what a victory when one can indeed move on as long as that moving on is not premature, I guess. I heard this song a while ago; don't remember exactly when. But it struck me as a song of victory that I wanted to sing in my own heart.www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKIGOHhiDuYrascal flats
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Jul 7, 2015 22:53:55 GMT -5
"I'm Moving On"
[rascal flats]
I've dealt with my ghosts and I've faced all my demons Finally content with a past I regret I've found you find strength in your moments of weakness For once I'm at peace with myself I've been burdened with blame, trapped in the past for too long I'm movin' on
I've lived in this place and I know all the faces Each one is different but they're always the same They mean me no harm but it's time that I face it They'll never allow me to change But I never dreamed home would end up where I don't belong I'm movin' on
I'm movin' on At last I can see life has been patiently waiting for me And I know there's no guarantees, but I'm not alone There comes a time in everyone's life When all you can see are the years passing by And I have made up my mind that those days are gone
I sold what I could and packed what I couldn't Stopped to fill up on my way out of town I've loved like I should but lived like I shouldn't I had to lose everything to find out Maybe forgiveness will find me somewhere down this road I'm movin' on
I'm movin' on I'm movin' on
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Jul 8, 2015 14:03:59 GMT -5
Getting back to Psalm 51:verse 8-Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.
One of my first thoughts as I read this today was, "How on earth can broken bones rejoice?!" But that seems to be what David was praying for...so I'm guessing he must have felt God was capable of taking broken bones and bring about some rejoicing from it all...
Our God is an awesome God. No, He doesn't just leave us broken. But is ready and able to bind up that which is broken and bring healing and then, so much more. (it doesn't stop there). It leads to REJOICING. The Lord can turn brokenness into rejoicing. Mmmmm I like that thought.
What is REJOICING? [There is much in Scripture about rejoicing.] It is a study all its own...
Here is a common definition:
to be glad; take delight (often followed by in): to rejoice in another's happiness. to make joyful; gladden: a song to rejoice the heart.
David turned much of his brokenness into songs/Psalms.
Reminds me, in that same chapter David speaks about a broken and contrite heart that God will not despise. I am thankful for that and want to have the same attitude toward others who have broken and contrite hearts.
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Post by kurtzphil69 on Jul 8, 2015 22:25:31 GMT -5
When I had major abdominal surgery a few years back I remember the nurses talking to me about healing. They informed me that I needed to eat a good diet with plenty of protein, get plenty of fluids and rest. They also reminded me that if I was having too much pain, I wouldn't rest and heal up like I should. I was reluctant to ask for pain meds; worried about becoming addicted, etc. But, neither was it good to be laying there in pain. I just could NOT relax while having so much pain. I couldn't get comfortable. Finally I asked for and was given more pain med and it was such a relief! I didn't realize how much I was hurting until the pain was lessened. I was then able to rest and felt better because of it.
Could something similar occur with emotional/mental pain? Traumatic experiences? I think so. Maybe it is that folks who are hurting emotionally and/or mentally need PAIN RELIEF! When they receive pain relief, they can perhaps take a much needed rest from the turmoil and grief they are trying to process. Now, if I can just figure out what a person can do to give emotional/mental pain relief, I might be in business. Could it be that a person cannot truly forgive or find it difficult to forgive while they are still in so much pain?
A searching question! What can be done to ease the pain/suffering in someone who has emotional, spiritual, mental wound(s)? I'm going to think about this and get back to it. Ok, I was going to get back to this, and now a.m. It might be helpful to get more info on the wound, like in how was the wound inflicted. This can aid in knowing how to approach a wounded person. Wounded creatures can be very wary and difficult to get close to. But there is a certain amount of close proximity that is naturally involved if you are going to tend to someone's wound. When it comes to emotional wounds, a word of warning. You find yourself getting sucked in too deep. Healthy boundaries are very needful both for the wounded and the one who is caring for the wounded. It's also highly important not to add insult to injury...But some wounded people are very very touchy. Must be very very careful. Don't accuse them of being overly sensitive, cause that doesn't seem to help. When people have pain, they likely desire to numb it as best as possible. People with emotional wounds do that too...as has already been pointed out. I truly believe that drug and alcohol use in its habitual form or if abused is to self medicate. The spousal unit and I strongly disagree on this, but it is what I believe. I've seen it too many times. If they can take something that crosses the blood-brain barrier and alter their PERCEPTION of pain and alleviate their pain, they will likely be drawn to that and drawn back to that when they have found it brought them some relief, albeit temporary. As this is getting lengthy, I should try to wrap it up. The challenge is to find the true inner SOURCE of the pain and fix what is wrong there. Easy. No way in hell...How do you heal a broken heart? We know it's possible, yes. But, specifically how. I am sure there are other writers here besides me who have been broken hearted. What worked and what didn't to heal?
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Post by bitterbetty on Jul 8, 2015 23:22:07 GMT -5
Okay, if we are going to talk about the specific wound of a broken heart, I will pipe in here:
One of the most common methods people use to ease the pain of a broken heart is known as the 'rebound romance'. See it all the time. Common after divorce, too.
There is also this thing of relationship addiction. I don't know that much about this subject, but from what I understand, people can become addicted to relationships that make them feel better or make them feel GOOD orrrrrr...make them feel like they are riding on cloud nine. Many new romantic relationships in their early stages create chemical changes in the brain that are similar to an endorphin high. Feel free to correct me anyone, if this is not accurate. In a way, it makes natural sense: Let down, disappointed, or broken hearted by one person, well, just find someone else to ease the pain....This usually works for awhile, but after the newness wears off it's not so effective. But, it is a temporary way of relieving emotional pain. I'm not saying all rebound romances end badly, though.
One of the problems that I see with this pattern of behavior is that a person rushes in too fast and is not choosy enough about who they become intimate with. Before they know it and before they really know the other person they find themselves wrapped up in an intimate relationship with someone else before their heart has had a chance to heal from the last heartbreak. Now, tell me, HOW does that work? It usually doesn't, there's a price to pay and the fix is temporary. Just my opinion.
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Post by withlove on Jul 9, 2015 0:36:45 GMT -5
And I think to myself: what a wonderful thread! Bitterbetty is the antithesis of her name, and my new hero. So many good points by everyone. They are appreciated! Too late to go back and like all the posts.
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Post by withlove on Jul 9, 2015 0:51:23 GMT -5
Some helpful things: Activity-- fill up your schedule with things to do, people to see, places to go. Friends-- reconnect, maintain, make new ones. Keep things light and positive. No romantic music, movies, books, etc. Comedy is your friend! Self care-- make extra efforts to dress nicely, eat well, work out. Sunshine-- helps physically/chemically as well as seeing/feeling the outdoors gives you a brighter perspective Delight-- seek out toddlers or dogs or fantastic colorful environments for a happy shock to the system These all have helped me immensely--it's true that they are avoiding the issue but there will still be time to process your emotion, it will just be limited and off-set by all the positivity you will find. It's also a big help to feel noticed/attractive/desirable even if you keep away from rebounding. It gives you hope. If you are doing the other things, you will find yourself laughing, walking with pep in your step, which is bound to attract at least smiles from others. This is just based on the assumption that your broken heart is from a romantic relationship. Sorry if I got it wrong.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 9, 2015 1:00:37 GMT -5
This is something that I still wonder about. In our writing group this something that we discussed.
Often you hear the sentence; "thought to myself". Discussion was it correct grammar, even though you hear people say it all the time, -is anyone able to "think TO anyone else BUT themselves?"
Maybe Bob can help us with the answer.
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Post by withlove on Jul 9, 2015 1:04:27 GMT -5
This is something that I still wonder about. In our writing group this something that we discussed.
Often you hear the sentence; "thought to myself". Discussion was it correct grammar, even though you hear people say it all the time, -is anyone able to "think TO anyone else BUT themselves?"
Maybe Bob can help us with the answer. ESP would really be handy. I bet Valient Thor can do it.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 9, 2015 1:09:32 GMT -5
This is something that I still wonder about. In our writing group this something that we discussed.
Often you hear the sentence; "thought to myself". Discussion was it correct grammar, even though you hear people say it all the time, -is anyone able to "think TO anyone else BUT themselves?"
Maybe Bob can help us with the answer. ESP would really be handy. I bet Valient Thor can do it. Oh my! How could it pass up Valient Thor! Please Mr. Valient Thor, Sir! excuse me!
I did not mean any dishonor to you!
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Post by bitterbetty on Jul 9, 2015 13:58:18 GMT -5
And I think to myself: what a wonderful thread! Bitterbetty is the antithesis of her name, and my new hero. So many good points by everyone. They are appreciated! Too late to go back and like all the posts. Awww shucks!
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Jul 10, 2015 0:14:55 GMT -5
This is something that I still wonder about. In our writing group this something that we discussed.
Often you hear the sentence; "thought to myself". Discussion was it correct grammar, even though you hear people say it all the time, -is anyone able to "think TO anyone else BUT themselves?"
Maybe Bob can help us with the answer. ESP would really be handy. I bet Valient Thor can do it. withlove, I knew you were going to say that and was patiently waiting until you posted it before I responded. ESP is very handy. Regards, Commander Valiant ThorPS - it would be Valiant if my name was not Val.
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Jul 10, 2015 15:04:02 GMT -5
NathanB, In answer to your ESP questions: 1) I know that you believe that Stranges is a fraud. What I do not know is why you keep supporting him publically. 2) You are right, there is no possibility that I was able to walk through walls or appear in rooms with locked doors. That is all from the imagination of those who profit from gullible people. 3) No, NathanB, I do not know if people like you better than bert. 4) Yes, ESP can be useful. For some I would have to believe it could also be painful when the thoughts of others become known without their having to speak. 5) You are wrong about that. I am not trying to bring you down. I am only doing what I believe is best for you and those who depend on you. 6) Of course I do. Not only is it more comfortable it is also more sanitary. 7) I am surprised Stranges did not make more up along those lines. I don't think it would be appropriate to go into a lot of detail on a public forum but let me assure you that our activities are not confined to what you term the 'Missionary Position'. 8) You mind seemed to be mixed up and the message was not as clear as I like but I think I got what you were asking. My answer is, of course, YES. You really didn't have to offer to pay me. I think in the beginning I should send you what I am planning so you will not be taken off guard. But speaking for you about all things is not a problem. I wanted to respond in public so everyone would know that you have asked me to speak for you in these matters and I have agreed. As you suggested, you should continue to post as you have been for the entertainment value and I will make sure when I post for you I attribute it correctly. Thank God that I was born being able to hold up to 16 contradictory ideas in my mind at the same time. Regarding my hands and fingers: You, and a number of people who read on this message board, have seen the photos distributed by you showing my hands with 5 fingers. I will link one you posted here so you cannot accuse me of modifying the photo. As you can see - 4 fingers and a thumb, Just like you. *** Now Speaking for NathanB - I know Commander Valiant Thor has 5 fingers, a normal heart, and 2 lungs. It is fun to pretend sometimes.
Best regards, Commander Valiant Thor
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Post by SharonArnold on Jul 10, 2015 15:32:34 GMT -5
This is something that I still wonder about. In our writing group this something that we discussed.
Often you hear the sentence; "thought to myself". Discussion was it correct grammar, even though you hear people say it all the time, -is anyone able to "think TO anyone else BUT themselves?"
Maybe Bob can help us with the answer. This is something that I still wonder about. In our writing group this something that we discussed.
Often you hear the sentence; "thought to myself". Discussion was it correct grammar, even though you hear people say it all the time, -is anyone able to "think TO anyone else BUT themselves?"
Maybe Bob can help us with the answer. One of the basic questions of Vedanta. "Who am I?" Who is this self that you “think to”? Or, if your thought is "I cannot stand myself", who is the self that you cannot stand? (It can keep you thinking for a long time.)
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Post by Mary on Jul 10, 2015 15:41:37 GMT -5
What about I believe with my heart or with my heart I believe and the Bible says that too. People used to believe that belief or thoughts came from the heart. No, it comes from the mind. The heart cannot think or believe. It is in our mind doing the thinking and storing the information. You can't say my heart tells me, it is my mind tells me. Is it out of the heart proceeds evil or should it be out of the mind (or thoughts)? Thoughts provoke feelings and responses.
Faith is in our minds. It provokes feelings. The feelings come from our thoughts.
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Post by Commander Valiant Thor on Jul 10, 2015 17:07:38 GMT -5
NathanB, In answer to your ESP questions: 1) I know that you believe that Stranges is a fraud. What I do not know is why you keep supporting him publically. ~~ I have never believe Dr. Frank Stranges is a Fraud. If I believe he was a fraud I wouldn't have supported his work and spread his message about Valiant Thor story in public.2) You are right, there is no possibility that I was able to walk through walls or appear in rooms with locked doors. That is all from the imagination of those who profit from gullible people. ~~ Off course you can't walk through the wall because you're NOT the real Valiant Thor. You're a TMB human pretender VT.5) You are wrong about that. I am not trying to bring you down. I am only doing what I believe is best for you and those who depend on you. ~~ You can't bring me down on VT story because is TRUE. You're bring yourself down in trying to the REAL Valiant Thor.Regarding my hands and fingers: You, and a number of people who read on this message board, have seen the photos distributed by you showing my hands with 5 fingers. I will link one you posted here so you cannot accuse me of modifying the photo. As you can see - 4 fingers and a thumb, Just like you. ~~ No, show us the current picture of yourself 2015 with 5 fingers on each hand openly NOT the one in 1957. You have a current picture of yourself, right? It shouldn't be too difficult for you to hard for you to show us one picture with 5 fingers. It is too hard because you're NOT the real Valiant Thor. You have two more days to prove to us all, VT. If you can't show us a picture of your 5 fingers on both hands then we KNOW you're the FRAUD/Pretender and not the Real Valiant Thor..~~ TMB VT go to Valiant Thor page we can discuss anything about you, here... leave this page for forgiveness. I have dedicated this page just for you, me and those who want to discuss the REAL Valiant Thor. professing.proboards.com/thread/23156/valiant-thor?page=1&scrollTo=653222 I posted a photo that was from the time period when the claim was made. The statement was that I had 6 fingers. I posted a photo from that time that clearly shows that statement was a lie. That and most of the other text written by that author. If you want to move to the other thread please respond there. Take the responsibility.
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Post by rational on Jul 10, 2015 17:52:05 GMT -5
The Real Valiant Thor has no problem producing a "NEW" picture of himself and of his 5 fingers on each hand. Where is that new photo. It would be interesting to see if the person in the photo has aged. I believe you claimed VT lived for 100s of years. Post the new photo of the real Valiant Thor with 6 fingers on each hand. But... I thought you said the Real Valiant Thor had 6 fingers on each hand?
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Post by rational on Jul 10, 2015 23:27:48 GMT -5
NathanB, you said: The Real Valiant Thor has no problem producing a "NEW" picture of himself and of his 5 fingers on each hand.
If he has no problem get one and post it. Assuming you can do that it will shut up the person you call the TMB VT. If you can't, of course, it will raise questions whether the person you call the Real Valiant Thor exists. That would put them on equal footing.
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